User talk:Controlofworkspecialist

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Permit To Work edits
Hi Controlofworkspecialist, You have replaced previously deleted disputed unreferenced content without discussion in Permit To Work. Please read the pages linked (in the welcome message) above to acquaint yourself with the accepted procedure and behaviour when editing Wikipedia. In particular possible issues of neutral point of view, conflict of interest and disclosure of paid editing. I have reverted your changes pending adequate referencing. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 13:20, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You continue to replace disputed content without providing references or discussing the matter on the talk page. Please read the rules, as you may be blocked if you continue this way. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Please state whether you have any conflict of interest or are in any way paid for editing Permit To Work or any other Wikipedia article, as undisclosed paid editing is in contravention of Wikipedia's conditions of use, and can result in an indefinite ban. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I have no conflict of interest, nor was I paid to edit this. Controlofworkspecialist (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Peter, I don't know who you are, but you don't seem to know a lot about Control of Work. This is crucial: Control of Work is an inherently complicated niche of a niche in a niche market, so I've included the sources that are available. The rest is operational reality, and sources will become available when and if they become available. Either do you research and contribute to the page in a meaningful way, or leave it to the people who actually have expertise in this area. Controlofworkspecialist (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


 * On the internet no-one knows if you are a dog. You claim to be an expert, but we have no evidence of this. You reinstated material which was challenged and then deleted as it was not cited in spite of requests, without responding to requests to discuss. Twice. This does not comply with the accepted procedures. When no sources are available the topic does not meet the requirements for notability, and is by default assumed unencyclopaedic. You added content on Control of Work to the topic Permit To Work, without any evidence that it is relevant. From what I have seen on the internet, Control of Work may involve Permits to Work, but not necessarily the other way round, so it seems that you are adding content that is not directly relevant to the topic of the existing article. That is easily remedied by creating an article on Control of Work, with sufficient reliable references to establish general notability (possibly http://www.hse.gov.uk/offshore/ed-control-of-work.pdf). As you suggest, I am not an expert on control of work, and have never claimed to be one, but I am familiar with the policies and procedures of Wikipedia, and you are contravening them. I am cutting you slack because it is clear that you are new and it is better for Wikipedia if you learn how to work here and work productively, as you may well be capable of it. Wikipedia may be the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but it is not an anarchy, and you cannot make up your own rules. Many have tried, few of them still edit here. Please read the rules and work within them. I can help if you ask, and if you are the expert you claim to be, you can show this by producing a balanced, neutral article that does not push any specific point of view or sound like an advertising brochure for software. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Peter, digital control of work is BY DEFINITION "software" and there are but a few organizations who offer it. Like I said, this is a niche which requires specific knowledge. I cannot refer to what doesn't exist; I'm sorry. But it's simply unavoidable in this case. Controlofworkspecialist (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case I suggest you create an article for Control of Work, and see if it survives. Permit To Work is not about digital control, except incidentally. It can be done without any digital control whatsoever, and is not about any particular organisation. It is primarily about the concept, and secondarily about the general procedures.
 * I see that you have already started a draft. That is a good way to go about it, as it allows you the freedom to work on it until it is acceptable. I wish you success with it. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Control of Work


Hello, Controlofworkspecialist. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Control of Work".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 01:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)