User talk:Conyo14/Archive

=2020=

1992 Stanley Cup Finals
Recently a new user went ahead and added summaries to this series, but they went a bit overboard and it could use some clean up. Can I ask you to take a look at it and see what should stay and what should go? Deadman137 (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh it's definitely overboard. Too much bias. I'll fix it up, but it'll be a lengthy process, especially since there really aren't better recaps of the game.Conyo14 (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into it. On unrelated note, I can't believe that you actually wrote 64 potential series previews just for the first round. Though you should probably keep all of them until one of the two teams involved gets eliminated, just so we don't waste the work that's already been done. Also, we might want to consider writing a longer series introduction for the teams for the teams that get a bye into the first round, but that can wait until we know where the seeding round teams actually finish. Deadman137 (talk) 17:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, I usually don't have to do big NHL wiki projects right after the Finals (when normally scheduled) haha. Having those 64 series is good for match up potentiality especially since those series are five games long, but I definitely expect there to be some kind of summary for the Round Robin series, if not in its section then maybe as a sentence in the first round.Conyo14 (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Honestly, get to it when you can, we're not in a huge rush. For the round robin games, unless the league classifies these as individual series we hopefully won't need much more than a one to three sentence synopsis of those individual games. In the first round for the top four teams we'll probably need some combination of regular season results mixed with the round robin results, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there (if you come up with an idea for how this might look and want feedback just leave a message on my talk page). I hear you loud and clear on not normally having too much hockey editing to do around this time of year. Normally I have two to three weeks of things left to do after the season ends; this year we're looking at up to 52 games before the first round starts, and then the normal playoff grind. Deadman137 (talk) 03:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Question
Given the evidence that the league will not be counting the round robin games as completed playoff series (thankfully). Using Montreal/Pittsburgh as an example (assuming that they were in the round robin), currently as you well know we're using: "This will be the third playoff meeting between these two teams, with Montreal winning both previous series." Any ideas on how you would want to incorporate the series history between the teams without ignoring the round robin game but not giving it too much weight when any of these eight teams meet again in the playoffs? Deadman137 (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * If I am getting at this correctly, the round robin (PHI, TB, WSH, and BOS) and qualifying round are not playoff series but will have playoff stats. Well, I suppose this could go to an RfC for further study and get more of a consensus on whether we shall include this to be an actual "playoff" series. Of course hockey-reference.com would also be a good indicator to see if they too consider this to be a "playoff series." Thus, I would write down, with MTL–PIT in mind: "This is the fourth playoff series between these two teams, with [whomever] winning [this many] of the three previous series. They last met in the 2020 Eastern Conference Qualifying Round which [whomever] won in [however many] games."


 * I do want to make it clear though that if a consensus to not have this stat included is met, then we will only include what we have so far minus the "This will be the third playoff meeting between these two teams, with Montreal winning both previous series." Perhaps an RfC should be made for this, although no one has been edit warring on this so I'm not sure. If we are to conclude these are not playoff series then another idea to consider is in the example of CAR–NYR. If/When they meet in a future playoff series, it could go something like this, "This is the first playoff meeting between these two teams. The two teams faced each other during the 2020 Eastern Conference Qualifying Round [include a note here], which whomever won in however many games."Conyo14 (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think that we need to go down the path of an RfC just yet. Though I should clarify that the league is counting qualifying round (play-in) games and series results the same as they would for any other prior playoff series (read statistics section near the bottom of this article). Now when it comes to the round robin games they will count in the games played section between the teams but they will not be counted in the overall series records (see how much fun this is).


 * Just to give you a quick example of what the league is doing, go to the bottom of the active team standings table here and look at the playoff records for Vegas and Winnipeg. Both teams have had their playoff seasons totals updated (to 5 and 3 respectively), but only Winnipeg has had their series totals changed. As they are listed as participating in 7 series but currently have a 2–4 series record (the extra series is the Calgary one from this year); while Vegas has appeared in 5 series and has a 3–2 record. Obviously, I will be watching these developments closely to make sure that we're as accurate as we can be. I'm just trying to make sure that we're on the same page before anything potentially goes haywire. Deadman137 (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I mean the round-robin games are not playoff games/series. But I suppose, if a Vegas-Dallas match-up were to happen in a future playoffs, that would be the first playoff series between the two teams with some mention of "they met in the 2020 round-robin series with whomever winning." I will not mention it during this year's playoffs though.Conyo14 (talk) 06:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually the round robin games are officially playoff games, but they are not considered to be a series meeting, probably because no team could be eliminated for losing a round robin game.


 * Using a future Dallas/Vegas series as an example, currently the first time they would meet in a playoff series we would use "This will be the first playoff meeting between these two teams." I think if we just changed the word meeting to series (just one time) and added a quick blurb about the round robin game on the team's next playoff meeting we could then get back to normal writing on any subsequent playoff meeting. So a second playoff series between these two teams would be "This is the second playoff meeting..."


 * The same would apply for the other teams that were in the round robin. So the next Boston/Philadelphia series would be "... seventh playoff series" and a quick mention of the round robin game and the future eighth series would be back to the usual "eighth playoff meeting." Deadman137 (talk) 09:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Playoffs
When you get a minute throw a summary on game four of the Pens/Habs series. Deadman137 (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm starting to realize why the league hasn't had six elimination games on the same day in 32 years. Deadman137 (talk) 01:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lol yeah. It's been pretty difficult getting all of these series summaries done today. All of them are game four's too, with close outcomes. I hope to actually get the series extended just so I can have a break from this. I've been checking my phone all day looking for updates and editing when I get the chance.Conyo14 (talk) 02:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Edit: Yay a fifth game!Conyo14 (talk) 03:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't celebrate too much yet, there's still Vancouver/Minnesota ongoing. Tomorrow I'm going to feel like I'm not doing anything with just two round robin games, even Sunday won't be bad with just three or four games. Then we get a whole day off and then the first round starts. Deadman137 (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

So the league decided to re-seed everybody after the Qualifying Round (yay, sarcasm). So we'll likely need to explain that to people (because 2020 and people). I've taken a stab at it, when you can, see if you can improve it. Deadman137 (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That's pretty dumb. I think it looks good but perhaps we can add a note at the top to specify the changing of the seed numbers.Conyo14 (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If you think that's dumb you should look at what they did in the mid to late 70s. From what I'm reading it looks like the seeding will remain constant after this one re-seed, so Montreal or Chicago will remain as the eighth seed should they advance any further. Deadman137 (talk) 01:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm liking the hidden references in the summaries, I can't believe it took this long for us to figure that out. Quick heads up Colorado vs. Dallas is confirmed for the next round. Deadman137 (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have been away from my laptop more recently so saving the incomplete citations have been really easy to copy-and-paste from my phone. One issue that could arise would be the authors. Dan Rosen has been known to spontaneously write a recap every now and then. Conyo14 (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If we keep doing this I can keep an eye out for that when I do my final check on each series. Plus it really only adds one step to what I'm going to be doing anyways. Deadman137 (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't burn the midnight oil too much doing all that research on the Vegas/Vancouver series. Deadman137 (talk) 04:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * A warning for the recap reference: the author for game six is different from games 1–5. Definitely take a look before finishing the ref.Conyo14 (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries, I always make sure to double check the author. Now I'm just waiting to see if I get a gift basket for unintentionally jinxing the Avalanche, Canucks and Flyers with the whole 3–1 comeback thing. Deadman137 (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

 * Thank you! I try. Hopefully we may continue our partnership for further playoffs. I eventually will get to doing series summaries for other playoffs, but that will obviously take a lot of time and effort.Conyo14 (talk) 08:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you'll probably be stuck with me for a while longer, but it is good to know that you plan to be around for a while longer. I'm thinking that after the playoffs end, we should look at trying to get the 2020 article up to Good Article status, if you're interested.


 * It will definitely take time, but remember from 1917-1974 there are no more than seven series and most of those years have five or fewer series. The 70s, 80s and 90s need work or rewrites. The 2000s are mostly done though if you want to tweak stuff and see if you can improve it, go for it (I wrote or rewrote most of that decade, so at least you wouldn't have too big of a mess to clean up). I still have a lot of template clean up work to do from 1917–1974, though after the playoffs I'll try to get 68–74 up to standard so we'll have the expansion era consistent. Deadman137 (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Heads up
The Stars are making their fifth Finals appearance. Deadman137 (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * GraziConyo14 (talk) 19:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Finals
I'm planning to use some temporary formatting to reduce edit conflicts during the Finals. I'll add it sometime in the morning before of each game, it will likely be something simple right beneath that day's game, like Game one summary, etc. Just do your normal thing from the summary tab and hopefully I can work on top part at my normal speed and not have to get in your way. Deadman137 (talk) 05:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you!

By the way I can handle the tables for tonight's game. But Wednesday I will be unavailable, unless the game goes into really late overtime. I can still do the summary. Friday I should be available and Saturday. The remaining games are iffy, but we'll see.Conyo14 (talk) 02:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll do the tables on Wednesday, I'm not likely to do the summary. For games six and seven we still have almost a week before that potentially needs to be dealt with, either way we'll figure something out. Deadman137 (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Can you do the tables for tonight? I'll be in a work meeting until after the game. Conyo14 (talk) 01:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Working on it now, weird that it didn't ping me. Deadman137 (talk) 04:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * If you need me to do the tables for either of the remaining games just leave the message on my talk page. Keep your head up we're almost through this. Last year there were 87 games over 63 days, this year has only been 130 games over 59 days (or 131 games over 61 days). It's only a 50% increase in output over a shorter time period so there is no excuse to be getting worn down. In all seriousness though, if we can only get summaries from you the rest of the way that's fine, I can pick up the rest. Deadman137 (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not worn down. I have other commitments now that take up my evening.Conyo14 (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I get it, I've been lucky that this is the first year where I haven't had to work late and have to throw together a few box scores from the office. Plus the work that you normally do around here at this point of the playoffs is more time intensive than what I usually do. Deadman137 (talk) 05:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

=2021=

2021 Stanley Cup playoffs
Don't be bothered by the introductions that I've been posting. I had to keep some in the bank in case a disruptive editor showed up. I have almost no desire to take over what you usually do. If you need anything from my sandbox that can help you take it, plus I still owe you one from last year. Deadman137 (talk) 02:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Well I have already created the introductions in my sandbox. I'll also create the ones for the Semifinals after this round ends. Besides, I enjoy this kind of fun stuff, and I get to work with an amazing Wiki editor such as yourself. Conyo14 (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did start on a few of them a few days ago when I saw that you hadn't started on them yet, just in case they were needed. Though please take what I have written for the potential Edmonton Winnipeg series because I don't want to deal with Oilers and Jets fans saying that we talked about the Flames and Jets last year. Deadman137 (talk) 03:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I was reading through the stuff that you're storing for the upcoming rounds, as usual it's all well done. Though I noticed that there are some parts missing from some of the North Division matchups (bonus points for you if you can find them without looking in my sandbox). Deadman137 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, well it seems I placed the wrong series between the finals and semifinals. Also I was not thinking of the match-ups between cities, mainly because of the longevity between franchises, but I suppose if someone is going to put in this trivia anyway.Conyo14 (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I could care less where you place stuff in a sandbox as long as it's accurate when you put it in the main article. The city histories should be kept to a minimum, though most of the Canadian historical matchups at this point involves Winnipeg. The only other worry would be an Edmonton/Ottawa or Toronto/Vancouver Finals series. When Seattle gets into the playoffs we'll have to do some stuff there as well; other than that, the only other cities where there is history from that far back and a large enough population or interest level is Portland and Quebec City and I don't think that they'll be getting teams anytime soon. Plus if this stuff has to go in these articles I'd rather one of us writes it so at least it's of good quality. Deadman137 (talk) 23:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

The web address that you need for the last citation is already in the article. Deadman137 (talk) 02:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Deadman137 Thank you. I'm on mobile right now so it's a bit difficult. Conyo14 (talk) 02:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Anytime. If you ever need to know what time a game ended at, go into gamecenter on the app or the site (under the box subsection) and scroll right to the bottom, you'll find a link down there called game summary. Once you click on the link you'll see the digital game sheet for the game that you're checking and it will have the start and end times on it. Just double check the time zone because it's always done in the local time zone of the home team.


 * Only three elimination games tomorrow night, and two of them are starting 45 minutes apart. It's not the six that they had last year, but it should be fun and a little crazy tomorrow. Deadman137 (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that tidbit! I do a little YouTube on the side with the overtime games and I want to know the chronological order. Today should be fun though. Conyo14 (talk) 15:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

If you know the author of the game summary from the league just hide the citation without the web address for the final game of a series and I'll fill it in for you, like we did last year. Deadman137 (talk) 01:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * For today's games, I most likely will be doing this, especially if the teams end up winning their respective games.Conyo14 (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey, can I get you to help with a situation on the 2021 template? We have a user that has decided without consensus to change the entire layout and refuses to talk about it on the talk page. Deadman137 (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've created a section in the template to talk about it, do you mind undoing all of the edits that user did? I will moderate the talk section, mainly to keep it civil. It could come down to an RfC, but let's not get that far yet. Right now these are all good faith edits. Try not to war about it, but make bans if necessary. Conyo14 (talk) 18:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey if you're looking for some hockey related writing to do instead of watching a template implosion (that continued into this morning). The Canadian government approved cross border travel for the third and fourth round if necessary. I started on it but I feel like it could use your touch to improve it a bit more. Deadman137 (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you were thanking me earlier. Sure I dumped stuff in and finished it off with the easy tap in, but you did the leg work to get it there. Deadman137 (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Learn to take a freaking compliment, lol. Conyo14 (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have just made this revert, but I don't know if it's the best either. Should we not advance winning teams into the semifinals al all, until round 2 is over entirely? I would have asked this at the talk page but it has quickly become a toxic place since I last commented there. DB1729 (talk) 00:16, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey there, we can advance those teams since we know their seeding, but we can't have "N4" or "W1" in the square preceding their team name.Conyo14 (talk) 02:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for the confirmation. I have no strong feelings on the debate or the topic. I agreed with your position, but I left my opinion only because I was already there fixing a formatting issue. Fwiw, I intend to avoid that template, its talk page and other directly related pages. DB1729 (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Semifinal intro
We obviously have to address the re-seeding in third round. I think that we could consider recycling some of what we used for teams advancing from the qualifying round last year.

Ex:
 * (team location name) earned the second seed in the Stanley Cup Semifinals as the team with second best regular season record advancing from the Second Round.


 * (team location name) earned the third seed in the Stanley Cup Semifinals as the as the team with third best regular season record advancing from the Second Round.

Though it might be simpler to just use a blanket statement at the top of the round section. Such as "Teams advancing from the Second Round have been reseeded based on their regular season records". Thoughts? Deadman137 (talk) 11:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I think we will have to, in the Semifinals intro of the entire section, mention that re-seeding is based on League-wide standings, and include a link to those standings.


 * It also may be wise to include a tid-bit about where the teams stand, aside from in their own sections.


 * Example (can include tie breakers)
 * (1) COL 82 Pts
 * (3) CAR 80 Pts
 * (12) NYI 71 Pts
 * (16) MTL 59 Pts


 * So then in their own sections we write "(Team) earned the (League Seed) in the League, granting them the (Semifinal seed) in the Semifinals." What do you think?Conyo14 (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking that we need a note about the re-seeding at the top of the section. As far as league seeding goes I don't want to open that can of worms because someone might get the bright idea to go add that to all articles since 1982. Also with Minnesota now out we have no tiebreakers left as all four teams in the third round will have different point totals; plus at a certain point we do have let people figure things out on their own.


 * On a somewhat unrelated note, if Montreal were to comeback and beat Toronto our roles would get much easier. As the West would be playing for the first seed in the third round, the Central for the second, East for the third and North for the fourth. Deadman137 (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * My bad, I'm still good on some type of mentioning about the Semifinal seeding, busy day... Deadman137 (talk) 05:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Well now I'm rooting for Montreal to win for our sake.


 * Well I did have an argument for it, but I guess I'll keep it here for reference. "Unfortunately, this year's playoffs are a combined 1982-1993 and 1980-1981 playoff combination. Where the 80's are divisional-based in-conference and 1980/1981 are League-based. We have a divisional-based League playoffs here. I feel saying which seed they are in-league will clear up confusion on where they stand." Conyo14 (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I've had that very thought off and on since they announced how this season will work (though the final four this year resembles what the league did more of in the late 70s; semantics, me, you have an idea how I operate). I was even playing around with some ideas on how to do stuff like that during the start of the playoffs. Every idea that I tried had issues, from potential knock on effects, violations of WP:MOS, etc. Thankfully we should now be able to get out of this without any big issues going forward as the hockey gods helped us out a bit.


 * Also keep in mind that if Toronto does get through to third round that they would be in the 2/3 series against the Central winner, as the West winner is the first seed. The East winner will be seed 3 or 4 depending on who comes out of the North. Also, don't kill yourself researching all of the season series between the semifinalists. Deadman137 (talk) 11:53, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Deadman 137. For the Semifinals, should we mention the most recent Conference Finals/Semifinals each team has played? I suppose it would keep consistency for this.Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It's not a bad idea to keep it, just limit the range to only include totals from the 16 team playoff era (1980-present, including 2020). If we were to expand the range through each team's franchise history I'm not going to help count the totals of the two original six teams that will be in the second round. Deadman137 (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review
If you would like to comment in this discussion Articles for deletion/List of NBA playoff series it has a direct effect on the NHL playoff series list as it is also listed. Deadman137 (talk) 00:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I have added my opinion. Conyo14 (talk) 08:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Template
I know that you're trying, just leave Rupertslander alone, they've already hung themselves and will have to face the consequences. Deadman137 (talk) 06:09, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * And I thought your feud with Mastergwe was bad. But man this guy is something else. Conyo14 (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Is it weird that I'm not bothered by either situation? Though given how long I've been editing in these areas, I guess it just comes with the territory. I've never seen anyone, anywhere, on here do that before. The good news is that they'll likely be facing a very long or an indefinite block and a topic ban after this. Deadman137 (talk) 07:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Colorado/Montreal intro
You can simplify the introduction to this potential series, just use Edmonton/Dallas 1997, Boston/Carolina 1999 and Carolina/Montreal 2002 as examples. Though if you wanted to have some fun with it and keep standards high, you could change the "between these two teams" to "between these two former rivals" and then link to the rivalries article. Deadman137 (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Problem editor
We've got another problem editor in the North Division do you want to help out with them? Deadman137 (talk) 00:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Calling your friends are we?Þadius (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

What the hell is going on? I don't see any reverts in the playoffs article. Why did another user comment on my talk page? Please explain this. Conyo14 (talk) 03:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's over here, we've got our third combative editor of the playoffs. Deadman137 (talk) 03:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep an eye on the current Finals article and the Finals section in the playoff article, Rupertslander is using IP addresses to add irrelevant and incorrect things to the article. Deadman137 (talk) 13:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Conyo14 (talk) 15:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Conference trophies
Looks like the league is awarding the Campbell bowl and Prince of Wales trophies. Montreal and Vegas are playing for the Campbell, obviously the other series is for the Wales trophy. Deadman137 (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Lovely Conyo14 (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick note
I read through what you have so far for the Finals. The only note that I have is Montreal and Tampa Bay meeting in the Finals would be the first occurence since 1980 where the two teams in the Finals were in the same division in the previous season. I'll admit that it's near the line of triviality and leave it to your discretion if you want to add it. Other than that, you've got everything completely under control. Deadman137 (talk) 03:36, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the note. It is very trivial and I might leave it out. 'Twer' it be the same season with teams from the same division then I'd be more inclined to include this.Conyo14 (talk) 05:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That was what I was thinking too. Deadman137 (talk) 03:34, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I think that it goes without saying, that these articles wouldn't be as good as they are without all of the work that you do behind the scenes. Deadman137 (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * *Pours champagne into glasses. Cheers to another successful playoffs with minimal interruptions.Conyo14 (talk) 16:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers (got busy on my end right after the playoffs ended). After the second round it was quite peaceful this year. It is hard to believe that if you count the two round-robins from 2020 we covered the equivalent of 40 playoff series in just over 11 months, plus all of the other prep work that normally goes into everything. Deadman137 (talk) 05:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Game tables
I probably should have mentioned this before game one (my bad), there have been issues getting accurate scoring out of Tampa right after games all throughout the playoffs. The worst was game three of their series with Carolina, where the scorers had the Lightning with six players on the ice when they gave up the overtime goal. Tampa was short-handed at the time of that goal and it was in the game summary for over 20 minutes after the game ended. Deadman137 (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh man, that first game was just awful fixing the game summary each time the changed the freaking goal. I may have to do the summary much later after the game then. By the way, I'm going to be very busy tonight. Would you mind doing the tables tonight? I can handle the summary still.Conyo14 (talk) 15:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll handle the tables. That was nuts just for the main playoff article, I knew that despite your experience that you were in it neck deep that night. Deadman137 (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)