User talk:Conyo14/Archive 1

=2020=

1992 Stanley Cup Finals
Recently a new user went ahead and added summaries to this series, but they went a bit overboard and it could use some clean up. Can I ask you to take a look at it and see what should stay and what should go? Deadman137 (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh it's definitely overboard. Too much bias. I'll fix it up, but it'll be a lengthy process, especially since there really aren't better recaps of the game.Conyo14 (talk) 22:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into it. On unrelated note, I can't believe that you actually wrote 64 potential series previews just for the first round. Though you should probably keep all of them until one of the two teams involved gets eliminated, just so we don't waste the work that's already been done. Also, we might want to consider writing a longer series introduction for the teams for the teams that get a bye into the first round, but that can wait until we know where the seeding round teams actually finish. Deadman137 (talk) 17:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay, I usually don't have to do big NHL wiki projects right after the Finals (when normally scheduled) haha. Having those 64 series is good for match up potentiality especially since those series are five games long, but I definitely expect there to be some kind of summary for the Round Robin series, if not in its section then maybe as a sentence in the first round.Conyo14 (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Honestly, get to it when you can, we're not in a huge rush. For the round robin games, unless the league classifies these as individual series we hopefully won't need much more than a one to three sentence synopsis of those individual games. In the first round for the top four teams we'll probably need some combination of regular season results mixed with the round robin results, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there (if you come up with an idea for how this might look and want feedback just leave a message on my talk page). I hear you loud and clear on not normally having too much hockey editing to do around this time of year. Normally I have two to three weeks of things left to do after the season ends; this year we're looking at up to 52 games before the first round starts, and then the normal playoff grind. Deadman137 (talk) 03:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Question
Given the evidence that the league will not be counting the round robin games as completed playoff series (thankfully). Using Montreal/Pittsburgh as an example (assuming that they were in the round robin), currently as you well know we're using: "This will be the third playoff meeting between these two teams, with Montreal winning both previous series." Any ideas on how you would want to incorporate the series history between the teams without ignoring the round robin game but not giving it too much weight when any of these eight teams meet again in the playoffs? Deadman137 (talk) 03:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * If I am getting at this correctly, the round robin (PHI, TB, WSH, and BOS) and qualifying round are not playoff series but will have playoff stats. Well, I suppose this could go to an RfC for further study and get more of a consensus on whether we shall include this to be an actual "playoff" series. Of course hockey-reference.com would also be a good indicator to see if they too consider this to be a "playoff series." Thus, I would write down, with MTL–PIT in mind: "This is the fourth playoff series between these two teams, with [whomever] winning [this many] of the three previous series. They last met in the 2020 Eastern Conference Qualifying Round which [whomever] won in [however many] games."


 * I do want to make it clear though that if a consensus to not have this stat included is met, then we will only include what we have so far minus the "This will be the third playoff meeting between these two teams, with Montreal winning both previous series." Perhaps an RfC should be made for this, although no one has been edit warring on this so I'm not sure. If we are to conclude these are not playoff series then another idea to consider is in the example of CAR–NYR. If/When they meet in a future playoff series, it could go something like this, "This is the first playoff meeting between these two teams. The two teams faced each other during the 2020 Eastern Conference Qualifying Round [include a note here], which whomever won in however many games."Conyo14 (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think that we need to go down the path of an RfC just yet. Though I should clarify that the league is counting qualifying round (play-in) games and series results the same as they would for any other prior playoff series (read statistics section near the bottom of this article). Now when it comes to the round robin games they will count in the games played section between the teams but they will not be counted in the overall series records (see how much fun this is).


 * Just to give you a quick example of what the league is doing, go to the bottom of the active team standings table here and look at the playoff records for Vegas and Winnipeg. Both teams have had their playoff seasons totals updated (to 5 and 3 respectively), but only Winnipeg has had their series totals changed. As they are listed as participating in 7 series but currently have a 2–4 series record (the extra series is the Calgary one from this year); while Vegas has appeared in 5 series and has a 3–2 record. Obviously, I will be watching these developments closely to make sure that we're as accurate as we can be. I'm just trying to make sure that we're on the same page before anything potentially goes haywire. Deadman137 (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I mean the round-robin games are not playoff games/series. But I suppose, if a Vegas-Dallas match-up were to happen in a future playoffs, that would be the first playoff series between the two teams with some mention of "they met in the 2020 round-robin series with whomever winning." I will not mention it during this year's playoffs though.Conyo14 (talk) 06:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually the round robin games are officially playoff games, but they are not considered to be a series meeting, probably because no team could be eliminated for losing a round robin game.


 * Using a future Dallas/Vegas series as an example, currently the first time they would meet in a playoff series we would use "This will be the first playoff meeting between these two teams." I think if we just changed the word meeting to series (just one time) and added a quick blurb about the round robin game on the team's next playoff meeting we could then get back to normal writing on any subsequent playoff meeting. So a second playoff series between these two teams would be "This is the second playoff meeting..."


 * The same would apply for the other teams that were in the round robin. So the next Boston/Philadelphia series would be "... seventh playoff series" and a quick mention of the round robin game and the future eighth series would be back to the usual "eighth playoff meeting." Deadman137 (talk) 09:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Playoffs
When you get a minute throw a summary on game four of the Pens/Habs series. Deadman137 (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm starting to realize why the league hasn't had six elimination games on the same day in 32 years. Deadman137 (talk) 01:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Lol yeah. It's been pretty difficult getting all of these series summaries done today. All of them are game four's too, with close outcomes. I hope to actually get the series extended just so I can have a break from this. I've been checking my phone all day looking for updates and editing when I get the chance.Conyo14 (talk) 02:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Edit: Yay a fifth game!Conyo14 (talk) 03:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't celebrate too much yet, there's still Vancouver/Minnesota ongoing. Tomorrow I'm going to feel like I'm not doing anything with just two round robin games, even Sunday won't be bad with just three or four games. Then we get a whole day off and then the first round starts. Deadman137 (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

So the league decided to re-seed everybody after the Qualifying Round (yay, sarcasm). So we'll likely need to explain that to people (because 2020 and people). I've taken a stab at it, when you can, see if you can improve it. Deadman137 (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That's pretty dumb. I think it looks good but perhaps we can add a note at the top to specify the changing of the seed numbers.Conyo14 (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If you think that's dumb you should look at what they did in the mid to late 70s. From what I'm reading it looks like the seeding will remain constant after this one re-seed, so Montreal or Chicago will remain as the eighth seed should they advance any further. Deadman137 (talk) 01:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm liking the hidden references in the summaries, I can't believe it took this long for us to figure that out. Quick heads up Colorado vs. Dallas is confirmed for the next round. Deadman137 (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have been away from my laptop more recently so saving the incomplete citations have been really easy to copy-and-paste from my phone. One issue that could arise would be the authors. Dan Rosen has been known to spontaneously write a recap every now and then. Conyo14 (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If we keep doing this I can keep an eye out for that when I do my final check on each series. Plus it really only adds one step to what I'm going to be doing anyways. Deadman137 (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't burn the midnight oil too much doing all that research on the Vegas/Vancouver series. Deadman137 (talk) 04:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * A warning for the recap reference: the author for game six is different from games 1–5. Definitely take a look before finishing the ref.Conyo14 (talk) 02:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries, I always make sure to double check the author. Now I'm just waiting to see if I get a gift basket for unintentionally jinxing the Avalanche, Canucks and Flyers with the whole 3–1 comeback thing. Deadman137 (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

 * Thank you! I try. Hopefully we may continue our partnership for further playoffs. I eventually will get to doing series summaries for other playoffs, but that will obviously take a lot of time and effort.Conyo14 (talk) 08:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you'll probably be stuck with me for a while longer, but it is good to know that you plan to be around for a while longer. I'm thinking that after the playoffs end, we should look at trying to get the 2020 article up to Good Article status, if you're interested.


 * It will definitely take time, but remember from 1917-1974 there are no more than seven series and most of those years have five or fewer series. The 70s, 80s and 90s need work or rewrites. The 2000s are mostly done though if you want to tweak stuff and see if you can improve it, go for it (I wrote or rewrote most of that decade, so at least you wouldn't have too big of a mess to clean up). I still have a lot of template clean up work to do from 1917–1974, though after the playoffs I'll try to get 68–74 up to standard so we'll have the expansion era consistent. Deadman137 (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Heads up
The Stars are making their fifth Finals appearance. Deadman137 (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * GraziConyo14 (talk) 19:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Finals
I'm planning to use some temporary formatting to reduce edit conflicts during the Finals. I'll add it sometime in the morning before of each game, it will likely be something simple right beneath that day's game, like Game one summary, etc. Just do your normal thing from the summary tab and hopefully I can work on top part at my normal speed and not have to get in your way. Deadman137 (talk) 05:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you!

By the way I can handle the tables for tonight's game. But Wednesday I will be unavailable, unless the game goes into really late overtime. I can still do the summary. Friday I should be available and Saturday. The remaining games are iffy, but we'll see.Conyo14 (talk) 02:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll do the tables on Wednesday, I'm not likely to do the summary. For games six and seven we still have almost a week before that potentially needs to be dealt with, either way we'll figure something out. Deadman137 (talk) 02:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Can you do the tables for tonight? I'll be in a work meeting until after the game. Conyo14 (talk) 01:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Working on it now, weird that it didn't ping me. Deadman137 (talk) 04:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * If you need me to do the tables for either of the remaining games just leave the message on my talk page. Keep your head up we're almost through this. Last year there were 87 games over 63 days, this year has only been 130 games over 59 days (or 131 games over 61 days). It's only a 50% increase in output over a shorter time period so there is no excuse to be getting worn down. In all seriousness though, if we can only get summaries from you the rest of the way that's fine, I can pick up the rest. Deadman137 (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not worn down. I have other commitments now that take up my evening.Conyo14 (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I get it, I've been lucky that this is the first year where I haven't had to work late and have to throw together a few box scores from the office. Plus the work that you normally do around here at this point of the playoffs is more time intensive than what I usually do. Deadman137 (talk) 05:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)