User talk:Coquidragon

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Coquidragon! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!  ttonyb (talk) 22:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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Reverted Changes
Beginner's mistake: 1986 Goodwill Games, automatically reverted by ClueBot.

File source problem with File:Bronze medal.png
File:Bronze medal.png, copyright status is unclear. Deleted by own request.

File source problem with File:Silver medal.png
File:Silver medal.png, copyright status is unclear. Deleted by own request.

File source problem with File:Gold medal.png
File:Gold medal.png, copyright status is unclear. Deleted by own request.


 * In the future, if you want to have something deleted that you created, you can put db-g7 or db-self on the page or image description page, and it will be deleted by an admin. To see a history of your contributions, just click the "my contributions" tab at the top right of any page, and to see your deleted contributions, on that page, under "User Contributions" click on "deleted user contributions" -about the 5th option after your username.   Skier Dude  ( Talk ) 02:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks.

Centrobasket/Goodwill Games articles
Hello. You'd created redirects for various Goodwill Games and Centrobasket tournaments and then tagged them to be deleted. I didn't delete them. I think your redirects here are useful and that they can probably be expanded in time into full articles. Hope this isn't a problem! Best regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:09, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I asked for them to be deleted as I thought that the Red color of an unexisting page would bring the attention to it, so that someone could create it with actual data. If you thinks the redirects are better than nothing, there were other deletes done by Athaenara for the 1971-95 Centrobasket tournaments. I was wondering why some were deleted and others not. Coquidragon (Talk) 23:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It is true that a redlink is easier to spot. But there is a way to categorise redirects so that people can tell they should likely be articles. If you add r with possibilities after the redirect, so like #REDIRECT Centrobasket, it will categorise them as things that have the possibility of being an article. Hope this makes sense, Angus McLellan  (Talk) 23:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you think I should redo the redirects that were deleted? Coquidragon (Talk) 15:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I will undelete them. No point in you doing the work twice! Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Puerto Rico national basketball team
You added more than 15,000 bytes of prose to this article, for your effort I gladly present WikiProject Puerto Rico's barnstar to you. Keep up the good work and please consider a Good Article drive.



Reverted Changes
Two reversals to my changes. The changes were approved after contacting both admins.

Puerto Rico national basketball team, automatically reverted by Arbitrarily00.

Puerto Rico national basketball team, automatically reverted by 5 albert square.

The new page is Puerto Rico men's national basketball team. --Coquidragon (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I will salvage the content. You see, I merely moved the history to the new title per the common practice, the system deletes the destination per CSD G6 when a sysop approves such a move. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  23:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Does this revision have all of your work? It is dated "16:03, 30 January 2010" with an edit summary stating "Broken Link." -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  00:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It does. Thanks. I left a message back at your talk.--Coquidragon (talk) 00:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry for the mix-up. Regards, -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  01:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe that Brazil won, but maybe e-mailing FIBA would be better. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  21:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Coast to Coast
MESSAGE LEFT AT USER:2much: ''I added back the "Coast to Coast" fact to the SLB article with two ammendments: a clarification that this achievement was after the 1975 Latino Greek lettered boom; and giving credit where it was due to Phi Iota Alpha as the first to accomplish it. Is it ok with you? --Coquidragon (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2010 (UTC)''


 * It's fine. Heavily qualified. But fine. Thanks. 2much (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


 * 'Another user took out the claim of being first to achieve "Coast to Coast". The current language reads "In 1992, SLB spans "coast to coast" with the establishment of SUNY-Stony Brook (Pi chapter) and California State University-Dominguez Hills (Tau Chapter)." As is, there is no need for the qualifier. This new language will also stop the "Edit war" of going back and forth. If you don´t mind, I will go ahead and take the qualifier out as I don´t see a need for it anymore. Let me know what you think.--Coquidragon (talk) 13:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok 2much (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

GAC Nomination for Ponce
FYI, I have finished the review for your nomination of Ponce, Puerto Rico. While the article is comprehensive, it has some issues that need to be fixed before the article can be promoted to Good Article status. The most important issue is 2 images with pretty blatant copyright violations. The review is at Talk:Ponce, Puerto Rico/GA1. Will you be available to address these? If so I can put the review on hold while they are addressed. If not, probably best to close the review now, and re-nominate later after the issues have been addressed. Dave (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood. Good luck at school. Dave (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

LGLO's
"Regarding the "1921 and 1931" merger. I made the change since I also added Pi Delta Phi to the list of Defunct orgs. As I understand it, Pi Delta Phi merged with UHA and Pi Lambda Alpha in 1921. UHA is not in the list, it not being Greek. Do you want to paraphrase the footnote to account for the first merger? I left just the dates to let people go to the articles if they had curiosity on the matter. By the way, I sent you an email. Did you receive it?"

Yes I did receive your email, Thank you. As for the footnotes. You cannot paraphrase two separate events into one footnote. PDF merged into FLA, not FIA. FLA later on merged into FIA. So you need to have them as two footnotes. Not one. 2much (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Dual membership
Also on another note. Those NIC footnotes in List of Latino Greek Lettered Organizations are not relevant. From wikipedia's rules it's not relevant whether an org is a member of NIC also. NIC and NALFO have nothing to do with each other. Furthermore NIC is for fraternities only. While NALFO is a co-ed council. This further muddles the comparision. 2much (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted. Thanks for the feedback. Beginner´s mistakes. --Coquidragon (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Above the most important rule is NPOV: Neutral point of view. In practice it means not using too many adjectives, and adverbs. Present verifiable facts as plainly as possible. Any embellishment takes away from the quality of the article. 2much (talk) 22:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Red links
''I noticed that you eliminated all the organizations without wikilinks from Cultural interest fraternities and sororities. Couldn´t you just unlink them? Is this a list of organizations in wikipedia or a comprehensive list of cultural organizations? Can I add back the organizations without wikilinks just for informational purposes? --Coquidragon (talk) 14:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)''


 * The list is supposed to be of ones that are notable, and ones without an article are inherently non-notable, as are single-chapter non-national organizations and most defunct organizations. Notability in the fraternity/sorority articles (as far as that wikiproject is concerned) is that a group has a few chapters and has been around long enough that the founders have all left school.  What I'd suggest doing is creating articles for the ones I deleted with some information filled in about them.  They don't have to be in-depth articles, but something that shows their notability.  Hope this helps! Justinm1978 (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don´t know about the other groups. Within the Latino group, the youngest (not defunct) organization is 13 years old. There is only one organization with one chapter. There are about 10 orgs with between 3 and 9 chapters, which are only in one state. There is one with 4 chapters in two states. From the wikiproject perspective, can you share some light on notability? I don´t want to create articles for orgs that I shouln´t. Thanks in advance. --Coquidragon (talk) 14:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I responded on my page. No sense duplicating the conversation :) Justinm1978 (talk) 21:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Really, anything that is considered "national" (IE, formally incorporated as a business, has multiple chapters, etc.) passes for notable in my book. I'm not the judge on this matter, only a member of the jury :) I would suggest that you create articles for whichever ones you think pass the nebulous criteria for notability and see if they stick around. What will get them put up for speedy delete for spam or put through AfD is if the article is fluff about the "vision of the founders and their quest to bring about major societal change" or other stuff like that which is written with dramatic pose. Wikipedia isn't a rush flyer and articles written like one tend to get flagged for lack of notability because they're all talk with nothing concrete to back it up. Let me know if you need any other help, and good luck! :) Justinm1978 (talk) 21:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I´ll see what I can do.--Coquidragon (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sigma Lambda Beta - Omega Alpha


The article Sigma Lambda Beta - Omega Alpha has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
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Deletion of Sigma Lambda Beta - Omega Alpha
''I was planning to improve the wording, the NPV and the sourcing, adding more information as Historial Membership, Envents, etc... I can move the article into my sandbox to do it. Now, I read the notability criteria. This is a chapter of a fraternity. I was planning on creating articles for other chapters as well. Is this artcile non-notable for the information provided or for itself, as a regular chapter of the organization?--Coquidragon (talk) 10:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)''


 * It's extremely difficult for a chapter to meet the notability requirements. So much so that every such article that has been created has been deleted, or is up for deletion.  The only type of exception has ben articles for chapter houses where the house has been declared a landmark, but even then those articles are about the house, and not about the chapter.  NYCRuss   ☎  10:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * ''Ok. Then go ahead. --Coquidragon (talk) 10:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

''
 * If you like, we can just make it a redirect to the national page. NYCRuss   ☎  18:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Don´t worry. It is not worth it.--Coquidragon (talk) 22:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of National American Greek Council
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Speedy Deletion
Message left at talk page: ''I am trying to create a comprehensive listing of the National Greek umbrella organizations. This NAGC is a council created by regionals and locals orgs that do not meet the criteria for joining the National more established councils, such as NIC, NPC, NPHC, NALFO, etc... I created the NAGC article (after asking the admin who previously deleted) to eliminate the redlink from the main article. I think that the listing of the member orgs should not be in the body of the main article. So, what is the next step? --Coquidragon (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)''

Discussion with Admin
What happened? I got the notification about the deletion. I put a hangon petition and added a response about its purpose and the page was deleted without anybody responding to my explanation. Can you at least userfy the page? It was not an orphan page, but part of a project about all the diferent National Greek umbrella organizations. I think it could meet the notability requirements after I had finished working on it. I had already created the navigation template with the orgs. I was working on the articles for the org members. I mean, the article received the deletion notice not one minute after I saved it.--Coquidragon (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Just in case, I had already contacted the previous admin that had deleted the original page and he/she told me to go ahead and create the new page as long as I did not violate any copyrights. I was trying to eliminate the redlinks from the original page.--Coquidragon (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I deleted the page because your reasons for placing the hangon-template did not address the reasons why speedy deletion was proposed - i.e. that the article did not say why the group should be considered important or significant in any way (and from my own Google searches, I couldn't find any such indication as well). I have restored and moved the article, including talk page, to User:Coquidragon/National American Greek Council though, so you can work on it. Before restoring it to the mainspace, you really should add reliable sources to establish why this organisation should be consider notable, otherwise it will most likely be deleted again. Regards  So Why  09:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for restoring it. I also apreciate the feedback. I will do (or at least try to do) as you say.--Coquidragon (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

First Petition
Soumyasch talk page I have created an article for Defunct Greek Umbrella Organizations. Can I recreate the FLA page with a brief description of what it was and a list of its member organizations.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you userfy for me the old Fraternity Leadership Association? I would like to know what was in the original article so that I can improve on for notability and sourcing.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Second Petition
SoWhy talk page I have a favor to ask, that is if you can and if you are willing. I don´t know how this would work. I would really apreciate if you could userfy to me the deleted Fraternity Leadership Association article so that I could improve on its notability and sourcing as well. I left a message at Soumyasch talk page, who was the admin who deleted the page, but there is a message there that says "I am no longer actively editing on Wikipedia, though out of sheer habit, still check my watchlist regularly and sporadically fix a mistake/vandalism or two." Thanks in advance either way.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. You can find it at User:Coquidragon/Fraternity Leadership Association. Regards  So Why  17:44, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much.--Coquidragon (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Would like to help
I found your copy of the Fraternity Leadership Association page and would like to help if I can, but I'm not having much luck googling for it. Any ideas on how I can help?Naraht (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have a copy of Baird's Manual? I am currently residing in Spain and have no access to it. If you do, you could see which campus FLA made it to and when did it dissolve? If not, I plan to work on it once I ge back.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Baird's Manual of American College fraternities hasn't been published since 1991. (It normally went 5-10 years between editions anyway, but it has probably stopped for good). Since the FLA dates from 2002, more or less, that wouldn't be useful. (I actually own a copy of the 1991 version)Naraht (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I realized that after posting the message. Still, the help is welcome as to the two questions on campuses and dates. Thanks for your feedback and for your offer to help.--Coquidragon (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Campuses? FLA was an organization of National Fraternities, the only question with campuses is which schools actually changed their rules to say "NIC or FLA" in some set of rules rather than NIC.Naraht (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

As I understand it, besides the original six members, it seems three other organizations (don´t know which ones) could have also joined as I have found websearches that put the number of FLA members at nine (it may be a mistake, but who knows). I have also read at the time that FLA made it to several campuses as local umbrella groups, and that´s besides the constitutions of many IFC´s being ammended to include "members of NIC and FLA". Now, I haven´t look at the info for quite some time, but I plan to do it once I get back.--Coquidragon (talk) 22:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

FIBA information is wrong
I am coming to your rescue regarding the issue of who won the 1988 Tournament of the Americas Olympic Qualifier in Montevideo, Uruguay. The information at http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/event/p/cid/COPSM/sid/3008/_/1988_American_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament_for_Men/index.html is totally wrong. The information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Tournament_of_the_Americas is indeed correct and I have the articles and videos to prove it. I have corrected the information contained in article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_national_basketball_team to reflect this and have added a footnote to support my thesis. Misterfrisky (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ''I am not going to make an issue of this and will not change it, even though I would believe FIBA's page over wikipedia data. If FIBA is wrong, let them correct it. I will assume good faith in your source, even though I have no way of double checking it.--Coquidragon (talk) 23:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe that history should be backed up by proof, so I have "parked" an image of my reference at http://www.merdist.com/SJS060188.jpg You can download and keep for your files. Anytime you need help with our National Team History, please don't hesitate to leave a message. I have many videos and newspaper clippings that I am willing to share. Misterfrisky (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:Sigma Lambda Beta articles
I've proposed a color change on the Template, please respond on the template talk page. (And if you can think on *anyone* else who might have an opinion, please invite, I *promise* not to complain about WP:CANVAS :) )Naraht (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

NALFO
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 * Really? I deleted your edits because they were unreferenced. You can cite internet pages, but I have read the minutes for all NALFO meetings, and there is nothing in there to support your claims on NAK, ODPhi, SLB or SLG. By the way, citing the first caution message on NPOV, you are the one writing on a competitor; I was actually surprised to see you actually commented in a HATE blog what your are trying to put in Wikipedia:http://greekstand.com/blog/2010/10/the-infamous-hate-blog/comment-page-1/#comments. The 21st and 22nd comments are yours I believe. I don't know what you expected people to hear as it is a recording of a SLB podcast, but it does show intention. Nevertheless, Wikipedia is no HATE blog and unless you can cite documents where it is stated the reason for the orgs leaving NALFO, you should refrain from doing so.--Coquidragon (talk) 12:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

File:SLB-map.jpg
File:SLB-map.jpg The file needs rationales for both pages it's attached to. We hope (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have created a new image "File:SLB-map.gif" and have supplied rationale for it. Please delete "SLB-map.jpg". Thanks in advanced.--Coquidragon (talk) 19:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:SLB-map.gif
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 * Corrected.--Coquidragon (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Augustine quote dispute
Hi Coquidragon. Would you care to drop by Talk: History of the Papacy? I'm looking for more opinions on this. Delta x (talk) 20:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

NALFO
We had an agreement on the NALFO page please do not break it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greektruthmovement (talk • contribs) 15:39, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I made the change based on the new discussion and the new reference. The proposal was in the discussion page for over a week before I made the change. I have changed it back, but I would like for you to comment on the last part of the discussion with respect to the second reference. Thanks in advanced.--Coquidragon (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Categories:Former USL Professional Division teams


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Sources for alumni at Sigma Lambda Beta
Just a friendly reminder. --Muhandes (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I've been traveling. I'll add it back whenever I have sources. Thanks for your patience.--Coquidragon (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Catholic religious order
I have a quick question for you. I see that on the page Catholic religious order, you undid my revision. I added Priests of the Sacred Heart to the list, but you deleted it, saying it's "Not an order." However, on the Wikipedia article for Priests of the Sacred Heart, it clearly states that it is indeed an order. Why do you think it isn't an order? It's atticle clearly states "The Priests of the Sacred Heart of Jesus constitute a Roman Catholic religious order of priests." Perhaps, is there something I'm not understanding about the definition of what an order is? If I am misunderstanding this somehow, please provide some clarification. Perhaps the article Catholic religious order needs to be more clear, because from what I understand the article to say, Priests of the Sacred Heart would fit the definition. Any insight or clarification you can provide would be appreciated. Thank you. --Billertl (talk) 09:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for writing. If you read the article, it talks about Religious Orders, as classified in the Annuario Pontificio. Since the 1917 Code of Canon Law, there are no differences between religious orders and religious congregations, but there were differences before that date, and technically there are today if only in name. The main difference is the nature of the vows. A person in a religious order professes solemn vows, while a person in a religious congregation professes simple vows. Today, there is no canonical difference between the two, but there were in the past. The last religious institute founded whose members professed solemn vows is the Order of the Bethlehem Brothers in 1653. Since then, all religious institutes had their members profess simple vows. In the Annuario Pontificio, the distinction is kept and the orders are listed separate from the congregations. Today, because of the lack of canonical differences, the words religious order and religious congregation are used interchangeably by most people and that's why the Priests of the Sacred Heart are called an order in their webpage. Hope this helps.--Coquidragon (talk) 01:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Category:Organizations that oppose same-sex marriage
Is there a reason you removed this category from Catholic Church? The only criteria for inclusion in the category is that the organization actively opposes same-sex marriage. It doesn't have to be their sole or primary function (the Mormon Church and Alliance Defense Fund, for example, are also there); the Catholic Church has given a great deal of money (probably more than most other organizations in the category) and made a great deal of effort towards banning same-sex marriage. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 22:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I clearly stated my reason in the summary page, as well, as in a the discussion page of the category. I even asked about my taking it out, with no response from anyone for more than 2 months. If you think my reason is not valid, let´s discuss it at the discussion page for the category or for the Catholic Church. Thanks.--Coquidragon (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have either of them on my watchlist; please see also Silence means nothing. However, this aside I'm not sure why you're citing the 2 months it's been gone as evidence that people agree with you; before you removed it, it had been there for four months. If you wish to change the criteria for inclusion in the category, surely it is incumbent upon you to achieve consensus, since the current inclusion criterion is active opposition to same-sex marriage and only that. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:16, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Football records in Spain
I saw in the "Football records in Spain" that you doubted my claim of the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (recognized as the predecessor of the later UEFA Cup by UEFA) being official (recognized by FIFA) and the Copa Eva Duarte (predecessor of the current Spanish Super Cup and founded and organized by RFEF (The Spanish Royal Football Federation) and asked for a source in either Spanish or Catalan on Wikipedia.

See this page.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cl%C3%A1sico

Look for Palmarés (honours) and see the references and notes used.

Also see FIFA's official page concerning FC Barcelona and see that they have included the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup and regard it as official. The official page of FC Barcelona also includes it.

Thank you and happy easter.

--Suitcivil133 (talk) 00:28, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * When the Wikipedia from other languages are cited, they are usually the same article, not other random articles. The Spanish wikipedia for the said article had nothing alike and there was no article in the Catalan wikipedia. Besides, I'm culé and I agree with you. Still, most article involving European records in English Wikipedia have no mention of Fairs Cup in the official trophies. So editors do have a point. I added it back for it being a mayor competition often cited by FIFA, but if consensus is seek based on other well sourced English articles, I would have to give reason to those opposed to Fairs being counted as European record.--Coquidragon (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Not always. I have seen that they often differ. The Incer-Cities Fairs Cup is an official trophy since it is recognized by FIFA. It is also recognized by UEFA as the predecessor of the current UEFA Europa League. Also FIFA include the Fairs Cup in Barca's trophy haul and FCB also have it included as an official trophy on their homepage.

I see that you have included the Copa Latina in the new table but is this trophy not unofficial? I see no tables where it is included? And this Amarru sockpuppet who wants to include regional etc. trophies - they are all unofficial. Even RM's own homepage recognize this just as the "Real Madrid records and statistics" thread here on the English Wikipedia.

But I must say you did a good job making the table and changes.

But this Amurru must be stopped. I just got a death warning from him (possibly) under a new IP (this time not hidden)

The IP address 71.139.163.192 wrote the following on my talk page without any reason:

"You a bitch

I hope you die you﻿ worthless pathetic fucking cunt."

How do I report such incidents?--Suitcivil133 (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * First, you should report the incident at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, and I agree. It seems the anonymous user is indeed Amarru.
 * As for Latin Cup, I noticed that the FIFA pages for several Central European teams included the Mitropa Cup (which was their equivalent to the Latin Cupa). As such, and since it was an European competion organized by 4 FIFA federations, I thought it could be included. As for Fairs, again, I know all that and think it should be included (I did include it, didn't I?). I just think a case could be argue both ways, which will make consensus hard to reach.--Coquidragon (talk) 15:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.

Yes you are right. The new user deleting your edits and including regional titles and writing uncorrect numbers of domestic titles for RM seems to be this Amarru as well.

Yes you might be right about that one. So we could as well include it. If I am not mistaken the Latin Cup was also the predecessor of the European Cup and organized by the football federations of France, Italy, Spain and Portugal.--Suitcivil133 (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Also I was wondering if you could merge the total count of UEFA and FIFA titles into one in the table that display the number of trophies won by Spanish clubs. And also edit the references (just include the Copa Latina in the count)

Because without the Copa Latina it's 78-74 and now when its included it is 80-76 so it's the same difference.

I also guess that the El Clásico thread should be corrected to include the Latin Cup otherwise people will contradict the two pages.

I am still not sure if we should include the Copa Latina also because the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia versions has not done so. Also the Wikipedia pages about RM and FCB in English do not include the Copa Latina. What do you say about this matter?

--Suitcivil133 (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Include in your table Pequeña Copa del Mundo, Copa Iberoamericana and Copa Presidente  — Precedingunsigned comment added by Amarru (talk • contribs) 18:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey kid, you need to wise up. You are vandalizing.
 * First, learn how wikipedia works. Messages are signed. Messages are written at the end, not in between someone else's message. You don't make changes to a wikipedia article before seeking consensus in the Discussion Page. You respond the messages left at your talk page. You don't insult other users. You back any change you make with sources. If you think something in the article is wrong, you add a tag, you don't delete, etc., etc., etc.
 * Second, you don't come here to my page and demand nothing. You make a request: "Please," "Can you," "Would you," etc. When you learn some manners and learn how wikipedia works, then I can work with you, but not till then.--Coquidragon (talk) 18:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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Are you sure the LNF is in recess? According to some of the teams' sites, they are playing games in 2012. Fraigcomar schedule Bmanphilly (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I apologize. I misread your previous post. You clearly know what is going on with the league. Muchas gracias por proveer una fuente buena. He estudiado español por cinco años, pues entendí su mensaje electrónico. Sin embargo soy estadounidense y no sé la liga como la sabe Ud. Bmanphilly (talk) 23:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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Stop putting information that you cant prove. I have already falsified the 1990/91 pasillo- barcelona did receive it but received it much earlier from another club as they were already 10 pts ahead before the last 3 4 games. unless you prove pasillo was given by madrid then FOR LA LIGA( pasillos for other cups are not mentioned, if they are to be mentioned, then madrid, valencia etc have received numbers of pasillos, it is unwise to put that here), i will not be able to put that false information you have been putting. i seriously question your knowledge of la liga history. how much do you even know about club football eh? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.197.17 (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ignoring your personal attacks (which by itself is reason enough to block your IP), you have removed properly sourced material. If you continue, you'll be blocked from Wikipedia. For your peace of mind, in case you cannot read Spanish, I have added a second source in English, which states that in 1991 Real Madrid did the pasillo for Barcelona. Where is your source that says otherwise? Wikipedia is about sourcing, not about your opinions.--Coquidragon (talk) 18:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop giving me first second idiotic warnings. about your reference! you are faslifying yourself. the source you gave says madrid got the pasillo in 1991 and not barcelona. do you understand spanish? try translating it. it clearly says madrid got twice until 2008 when they got it the third time. its emminent you will be blocked for lying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.197.17 (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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I have removed two records there which has matches from 1914 in which some and/or most include unofficial friendly matches. None of the other tables and their records have unofficial matches counted in the record streaks. Just letting you know.49.244.56.136 (talk) 04:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Barcelona in the 1955-58 Fairs Cup
Hello. I noticed your change to the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup page, and read the reference you added. I agree that all teams entered in the first few editions of that competition, not just the Barcelona team, were there as representatives of their city. Some cities, like London, were represented by a team including players from many London clubs. Some cities, like Birmingham, were represented by a team from just one club: that isn't what the City of Birmingham authorities wanted, but Birmingham City F.C. were the only club willing to let their players take part. I've also read that a player from RCD Espanyol was included in the team representing the city of Barcelona, but if there was, he never played: according to the teams listed in the Mundo Deportivo match reports, every player appearing for the Barcelona team in the 1955-58 edition of the Fairs Cup was a Barcelona player at the time he played. If you can show specific evidence for an Espanyol player being included, or point out the one I missed, then please do: I'd appreciate the clarification. But without such evidence, I think it's misleading to call it a "Barcelona XI", when all other city teams described in that format were made up of players from more than one club. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand the point you're making. But in the first edition of the Fairs Cup, every team was entered by the city hosting the trade fair in order to represent that city: that's just how the competition worked. It wasn't something particular to the team representing the city of Barcelona. I believe the Birmingham City FC players representing the city of Birmingham also wore the arms of the city on their shirts. Conventionally, English-language sources for the 55-58 Fairs Cup, e.g. RSSSF, refer to single-club teams by the name of the club, and to the mixed-club teams by the name " XI". There's a piece on the UEFA website confirming the 55-58 Barcelona team as containing only FCB players, and also confirming that all teams in that edition were representatives of trade fair cities. So changing the name to "Barcelona XI" in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup page without changing all the others to the " XI" format would be treating that city's team inconsistently. And changing them all to " XI" would be consistent, but would go against the way they're generally referred to in reliable English-language sources. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As to the La Liga clubs in Europe page, I'd probably call it FC Barcelona, but with a clear note, preferably visible at the table entry rather than buried in the references where nobody reads, and sourced to a specific English-language reference, explaining that in that edition of the competition, FCB had the honour of representing the city of Barcelona rather than themselves as a club. If the team that won the initial edition of the Fairs Cup was purely a city of Barcelona representative XI and not FCB, it probably shouldn't really appear on a page about La Liga clubs at all ;-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Returning to the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup and 1955–58 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup pages, how about a compromise? change all the teams to the " XI" format, but, where that city was represented by a club side, as Barcelona, Birmingham, Milan, putting something like "represented by Birmingham City F.C." in parentheses afterwards. Rough idea of possible layout below. It's factually accurate, in that all entrants in the first edition were indeed teams representing cities, but follows the sources in that it includes the club in cases where the city was represented by a club side. It's hard to tell from English newspapers of the time whether Barcelona was generally referred to as the place or the football club, because the FC/CF is never included. They always called the Milan representative team Internazionale, and in fixtures and results, tended to put Birmingham City (which is a football club) rather than Birmingham (which might be either). The Barcelona XI (represented by...) would work equally well at the La Liga clubs in Europe page.


 * I can't find any reliable source for an Espanyol player being included. The UEFA piece mentioned above said the Barcelona XI won it "using players purely from FC Barcelona", and you'd think RCD Espanyol might complain if UEFA were writing their player out of history. And this, which may not be reliable in the WP sense but reads like it knows what it's talking about, says Espanyol were asked to be part of a joint squad but refused (which is exactly what happened in Birmingham, when Aston Villa were asked but refused). Please feel free to copy/move this conversation to relevant talk page(s). regards, Struway2 (talk) 10:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I like your proposal. Don't worry about the RCD Espanyol player, since the current source doesn't mention him.--Coquidragon (talk) 06:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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You are wrong. In principle the UIC was "continental", not "regional" and UEFA made it clear in its rules for the last 3 editions who was proclaimed champion and neither Athletic nor Deportivo have complied with the requirements of UEFA at the time.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 00:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

What do you think it means to be "outright winner" or, as you say, "titular champion"? Obviously, because the tournament regulation says, UEFA recognizes that team (ie one of the eleven who qualified for the UEFA Cup) as the competition's winner, therefore, can not say the same of the rest. This link is even more explicit: "In the UEFA Cup campain 2007/2008, the best performing team was the German team Hamburger SV." (and the website was powered by UEFA and the Europan Football Pool).--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 19:00, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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Ongoing vandalism by a sockpuppet on the Football Records in Spain page
Hello Sir,

Kindly take a look at the disruptive editing of the user "2001:620:d:4ad2::323" who is removing sourced material after a consensus has been reached. Also take a look at his user history on Wikipedia where I have found him removing sourced material at will.

The "dispute" is ongoing on this Wikipedia page below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Football_records_in_Spain&action=history

Here for instance he has removed correct sourced information for no reason that I had to correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Derbi_barcelon%C3%AD&action=history

Here is his user history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:620:D:4AD2:0:0:0:323

He is a sockpuppet moreover. It obvious that he is a RM fan hellbent on disrupting data/information about FCB.

Please contact a moderator and help me spread the word.

Thanks in advance.

--Suitcivil133 (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Sources for the GRC for Puerto Rico
I have just noticed you have updated the Calendar Proper for Puerto Rico in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite&diff=prev&oldid=1220801986&title=National_calendars_of_the_Roman_Rite&diffonly=1.

I’d like to kindly ask you whether you are willing to provide me a photo/scan of the referenced pages? I’d prefer the GRC (monthly) list of celebrations listed in the Roman Missal translation used in Puerto Rico, however, even the referenced pages from the Liturgy Hours would be nice, along with the front cover, title page, its verso, maybe some other pages.

For the context, I am a contributor of romcal which a library that generates calendar data for any supported general or particular calendar, along with the localised celebration names and other stuff. I want to improve it by data verification using the available sources.

If you want to share the photos with me, I can provide you more information. If you want, the photos could be shared with me privately without their publication outside of romcal core contributors.

Thanks in advance, Coquidragon! 7otto (talk) 06:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * How do I get them to you? Puerto Rico uses the Liturgical books from Argentina, which incorporate the Puerto Rican feasts. So, there is not an updated proper Calendar from a Missal, only from the proper to the Liturgy of the Hours. Coquidragon (talk) 01:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * > How do I get them to you?
 * You can either sent it directly to tukusejssirs@protonmail.com or (if you want to share them publicly) create a GitHub Discussion in the romcal repository and attach them to it.
 * > Puerto Rico uses the Liturgical books from Argentina, which incorporate the Puerto Rican feasts.
 * Good to know. The GRC from the Missal would be useful for the Argentinian Proper too then. :)
 * Anything you provide us will be very useful to romcal. Thanks in advance! 7otto (talk) 07:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)