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Miranda Green and the spoons
Hi - "made up the stuff"? That makes it sound as though she was being dishonest, and you shouldn't say that about anyone in an edit summary. Still, I'm curious what you meant. Doug Weller talk 17:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

You are obviously out of your depth in this area, and I suggest you leave it alone. See the bibliography at the BM. To suggest that numerous examples of spoons with holes in the bowl are normal decoration is rather obviously silly. Johnbod (talk) 17:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * There is zero evidence they were used for divination. Green appeared in a documentary where she did some things with them and this got picked up as "evidence" that they were used for divination. The kindest thing I can say is that it's a personal theory. But she is not a reliable source for anything dealing with Celtic languages, and she continually projects Classical mythological patterns onto the Celtic cultures. When she stays in her own areas of training, she's usable as a source, but for the rest of it, no. Johnbod, if you don't know this about her as a source, may I politely suggest your insult here is out of line. Cheers. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 17:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As I say, see the BM curator notes and bibliography. You seem obsessed by Green. Johnbod (talk) 17:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * [edit conflict] Since when is noting the relative value of sources on WP "obsession"? You seem obsessed with insulting other editors, and promoting unsound theories. Keep it on the talk page of the article; work on improving the article. I'm not interested in this kind of interaction with you, Johnbod. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm still concerned about the comment in the edit summary. It's a BLP violation, although I think you made it in good faith. I'm wondering if I should rev/del it. Doug Weller  talk 18:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Fine. Redact it if you want. It was in good faith to improve the article, and I thought that information was common knowledge. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Emily Borromeo
Requesting to restore the page Emily Borromeo, which you deleted. She is an actress on NBC, hosting the show Sunny Side Up, one of the most popular morning shows in pre-school television. I believe that is significant enough to warrant a wikipedia page. She appears in many youtube videos for the channel as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.111.111.152 (talk) 19:36, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Please review the reasons for deletion. The article cannot be recreated unless you find better, WP:V and WP:RS, third-party sourcing that indicates that she is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. We are an encyclopedia, not a general listing for TV presenters. If you have the sources, I would be willing to userfy the article - to post the last version of it in your userspace so you can work on making it into something worth re-submitting. But to do that you will need to create an account. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 19:44, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Medicine Wheel
Hello,

This is Wilduniverse. Re-reading the article for medicine wheel shows too much emphasis on politically-correct terminology. I ask you to let it be what it is, without all the fuss surrounding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilduniverse (talk • contribs) 04:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you're referring to. Please keep talk about article improvements on the article talk pages, and show specific instances of what you're referring to. Thanks. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:41, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Random aside...
... nice username. Reminds me of my favorite Ardbeg expression. --joe deckertalk 20:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Mòran Taing! - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 19:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Bizarre IP behaviour
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. You are editing out specific references to Indigenous topics in a blatantly racist way and I am reporting you. (cur | prev) 19:21, 13 July 2015‎ CorbieVreccan (talk | contribs)‎. . (7,748 bytes) (-63)‎. . (Parents aren't Native.) (undo)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elijah_Blue_Allman&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.246.55 (talk) ==Your Username == Hello . Unfortunately, the username you have picked is inappropriate. Please consider changing it. You can do this by following the instructions at the Changing username page or by just creating a new account. Note that changing your username will allow you to keep your current edits credited to you. If you do not change your username, a Wikipedia administrator may block this account. If you feel this message is a mistake and your username does not violate the rule, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.246.55 (talk)


 * ...Is there a point to this? You might want to read up on WP:RS and the basic WP policies that have been pointed out to you on your talk page. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 05:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

The point is your editing out someone's ethnic history. Cher is a known Cherokee woman, and all the references on the page reference that, and this is her son, so obviously that would be included. I noticed your other edits are also blatantly racist, and I find it offensive, so find something else to do with your time then removing one of North America's most outstanding Indigenous icons child's heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.246.55 (talk) 02:20, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Nope, neither of them are Indigenous. They are not enrolled, they have no documented ancestry, and no Indigenous nation claims them. Personal belief is not a source. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 04:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Elijah Blue Allman ancestry
Hi,

I just stumbled over your dispute with an IP over the Cherokee ancestry of Elijah Blue Allman. While I don't know what his actual ancestry is, I think it is undisputed that he is the son of Cher and therefore her genetic background is scientifically speaking by default also his. Therefore if his mother has a Cherokee ancestry, as stated in her article supported by references like this article in People (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20110424,00.html), than it must be also true for him (from a genetic point of view). Either both have Cherokee ancestors or none of them has and you should either delete this statement also in her article if you think that it isn't supported by enough reliable sources or re-add it to his article (with the sources from Cher's article) in order to be consistent.

Thanks Optimale  Gu 15:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Optimale, A statement of personal belief in a People magazine blurb is not WP:RS for tribal membership or even heritage. It's possible Cher believes she has Cherokee ancestry, and it's possible her mother believed it as well, but that doesn't make it true. It's been checked and they are Armenian. The aspects of her appearance that people saw as Native are actually Armenian. This discussion already happened in her article and the misinformation was corrected. If you are an established editor, you should also understand that this is not a content dispute, it's a logged-out editor adding unsourced content and misrepresenting the sources that are there. Logged-out editing, if done to hide one's username, is considered a form of Socking. Best, - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * If you have a source for Elijah Allman stating that he believes he has Cherokee heritage, you can add him to this list: List of people of self-identified Cherokee ancestry. But as I said earlier, it must be sourced. Allman himself is of questionable notabililty, fwiw; I'm not sure his notability as an artist, independent of his parents, has been established. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


 * My point was not about if Cher or her son are of Cherokee heritage or not - I have no idea and really don't care, although I don't see how being Armenian would rule out Cherokee heritage - but that a biological son of a mother has the same heritage as his parents and therefore if you feel strong enough about removing that statement from Elijah Allmans article you should consider as an admin do the same in the article about Cher as otherwise it makes Wikipedia inconsistent and that could invite even good faith editors to 'repair' such an inconsistency. Optimale  Gu 14:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


 * May I gently suggest that you read these articles before suggesting changes to them? You clearly have not even read the Cher article, as it does not say she's Cherokee. I told you this several times already. Of course no one ethnicity "rules out" the possibility of other ancestors as well, and I find it very odd that you misinterpreted this that way. The Cherokee people are one of the most well-documented nations in the world. I suggest you learn more about these basic facts if you're going to argue about this. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼

Cultural appropriation
CorbieVreccan writes,

"Your recent edit to the page Cultural appropriation appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Sources have to actually source the content you add."

In case you are not familiar with it, I think you'll find that the Online Etymology Dictionary / Etymonline.com is highly reliable.

However if you require an even higher authority, here is the best:

The Oxford English Dictionary (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1989) volume 4, page 121 (for 'cultural'), and volume 1, page 587 (for 'appropriation').

Is this satisfactory now?

If you like, I can scan or photograph the pages in question, and post or send them.

Alternatively, you can consult any ordinary 'desk dictionary' or 'collegiate dictionary', and you will see that the word 'cultural' comes from Latin 'cultura', and that 'appropriation' comes from Latin 'appropriare', 'appropriatus'.

Thank you.

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DictionaryCollector (talk • contribs) 05:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Adding in more links to dictionaries doesn't resolve the issue, because your edit wasn't about a dicdef of those two words; your edit inserted your unsourced opinion about appropriation in relation to linguistic development, something that is not even implied in the sources. Please read up on sourcing articles, which should explain this in more detail and with more examples. Best. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 16:31, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * - what you are doing is what we call original research, see WP:NOR. Also, in almost all cases, sources should discuss the subjection of the article. I see you've been reverted now by 2 editors. Doug Weller  talk 17:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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cultural appropriation lead
I've reverted you. I've also started a discussion on the talk page of the article in question, to discuss the lead. Let's discuss it there, rather than get into an unproductive cycle of reverting each other. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Multiple editors have reverted your additions now, and you have simply hit "undo" on multiple editors; you are the one who is edit-warring to add inappropriate text to the lede. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I posted on your page, to get some dialog, rather than make accusations. Note the use of "let's" and "each other" to make it clear that this suggestion was to stop both of us from getting into an edit war, if I wanted to accuse you, I would have obviously worded it differently.
 * Also, it's kinda funny to see the discussion directly above this one, discussing the same type of edits on the same article - but, I guess it's always the other editor's fault. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Emoticons as ref tags
BTW, those emoticons are the automatic reference names inserted by the visual editor for citation re-use, ":0" for the first reference, ":1" for the second, and so forth. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:47, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


 * AHA! That explains why another student editor was doing that, too. I'm not a fan of the visual editor, so that had escaped my notice. Thanks for clearing that up, and for your assistance in the student editors matter; I appreciate it. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Witch (Navajo)
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Overflow at your admintools page
Dear User:CorbieVreccan. Your User:CorbieVreccan/Admin Toolbox page is on overflow, due to the actual backlogs at WP:UFAA. You could fix this problem (and help us to empty the Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded ) by replacing the imperative transclusion WP:UFAA by a conditional one, like See admin dashboard/light for other suggestions, if needed. Thanks in advance. Pldx1 (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I swapped in the code. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 16:38, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Indigenous Peoples of North America
Hi- Thank you for your welcome. I am confused by your advice about editing comments on Talk:Indigenous Peoples of North America, though.. The edit you refer to is simply the removal of a student assignment working with Wiki Ed and was performed from the Wiki Ed dashboard that give instructors permissions to add and remove student assignments. The student in question did not end up working with this article, so it doesn't make sense to leave that assignment. I am posting this on your Talk page as well. This is beginning to feel spiteful. Matthewvetter (talk) 19:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * From here, your interactions with other editors are looking to me like a serious case of WP:IDONTHEARYOU. There have been a handful of incidents now where other editors have explained something to you, and you respond in a manner that seems you did not read their explanations. You again ask the same questions that have already been answered for you in multiple places. This has the effect of wasting editors' time and causing annoyance and friction with people who would rather be doing productive work. You still don't seem to realize that the "article" you refer to is a redirect, and that trying to place an article there would be going against WP consensus. This again shows you are not paying attention. Rather than striking the text and disabling the template, you removed someone's edit that already had a reply, rendering the talk page nonsensical, so I informed you of the policy and provided the diffs. Again, this was all explained to you already. You need to get a grasp of basic policy because right now your actions are not helping the 'pedia or the editors here. You don't need to have the same conversation in three or four places, by the way. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 19:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:History of the Turkic peoples pre-14th century
Thanks for protecting this article. Although, it appears to have broken the template. I did an edit in hopes of fixing it. You might check and make sure I did not make things worse. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oooops. Sorry. I blame Twinkle. Thanks for fixing it. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 00:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Template deletion
Hello, thanks for messaging me about your deletion of the Template:John Hampden New Freedom Party/meta/color and Template:John Hampden New Freedom Party/meta/shortname pages. However, I believe this is the wrong move. These were not tests and were used to fill information in the February 1974 general election box for Lewisham East (UK Parliament constituency), which is now broken. I am not amending it at this point as I'd like you to revert this deletion.

I'd also like to point that this template is similar in style to every other templates used for the WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom at Index of United Kingdom political parties meta attributes. You'll also note that this page says: "Where the same colour has been allocated to more than one party this indicates that the groups are related to one another (either in organisational or political terms) and are believed to have either contested elections in different periods or different geographical areas." The John Hampden New Freedom Party is a predecessor of the English National Party and therefore uses the same colour as that group.

Please consider all this information and revert your decision, which I believe was made mistakenly, but should de speedily rectified. --JMPhillips92 (talk) 09:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * But why does each individual color need to be on its own page in mainspace? - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 16:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why it was set up this way, but that's just how it feeds into the template. Template:Election box candidate with party link loads the meta/shortname and meta/color pages to display the page correctly. It uses the party named in the party section to load the party/meta/color and party/meta/shortname templates to output the election box. This is the same for most parties in elections across the world (See here for examples in the US). Unless you can think of another way to do it or want to remove all the rest and break all the election templates, this is the way things are. PS: If you do know of a better way to do this, I am happy to do all the leg-work and convert this over to a more streamlined approach. I'm just working on the established method as I'm unsure of a better way at the moment --JMPhillips92 (talk) 17:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No, that's fine. I have no attachment to redesigning all those templates :) Thanks for explaining. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:35, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks for understanding :) I saw that you reverted both deletions, but someone has redeleted the color page. Any chance you could undelete it again for me and add a little note explaining our discussion? Thanks! --JMPhillips92 (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I'd prefer more eyes on this. Have you explained it to the person who flagged it and the deleting admin? The deleting admin should decide about undeletion. I'll go look, but I'd like consensus. You can ping me into the conversation when you bring it up with them. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 20:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Chameleon AfD comments
Your comments at Chameleon AfD, "It was just about to be deleted via prod but then a driveby, mass de-prodder removed it without making improvements." are off topic and baseless. I am a WP:PRODPATROLler and I'm getting to these late in the 7-day cycle not because I'm trying to ambush anyone but because of backlog and limited participation in the project. I don't have time to improve all the WP:PRODded articles that do not have the strong or uncontroversial case for deletion required when using WP:PROD. ~Kvng (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I summarized the edits based on your edit history. I see tons of driveby de-prods with no effort at improvement of the articles. It does not appear to me that you are researching the article topics to see if they can be improved. It's insensitive to the people who tried to improve them and found no sources, so prodded them. You are causing unnecessary work for other editors. Unless you stick around to attempt to fix the articles, or look into them deeply enough to see that it should go to AfD and then start the AfD yourself, I don't believe these mass de-prods help the 'pedia. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, I don't beleive that a lot of these PRODs help Wikipedia. I'm sure you're aware there's a longstanding Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia tension. We're not going to resolve this so we're just going to have to agree to disagree. But I hope we can agree to be civil, assume good faith and maybe even respect each other. That's all I'm requesting.
 * If you have any productive suggestions on how I can improve my WP:PRODPATROL activities, I'm open to them. Calling my work driveby is not productive. I am doing a lot of them but as is hopefully apparent, the vast majority are not subsequently deleted. So while from you perspective I may be wasting time, from my perspective I am saving articles.
 * You have requested that if I DEPROD articles that I follow up and improve or AfD them. With the number of PRODs coming though and the few volunteers working PRODPATROL (and WikiProjects in general), I rarely have the time to do this. I do particpate in most AfD discussions for articles I deprod and sometimes that involves improvements. I found three new sources for Chameleon (American band) this morning, for instance. ~Kvng (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rolling Thunder sourcing
Hi CorbieVreccan! Assuming you're right about John Pope aka Rolling Thunder not being Native American, we need to find some RS to that effect, especially if we're going to exclude claims to the contrary from sources that seem otherwise OK. See WP:NOTTRUTH, and all that. Googling, there are a lot of dubious sources repeating the claims that he was Native, so a well-sourced WP article could help dispel that misconception.

Curious aside: I've heard a couple snippets of Pope/RT speaking and he uses an accent that is very similar to accents I've heard from Native Americans, e.g. a man I saw gave a talk near Four Corners some years agp. Is that an affectation, I wonder? Happy editing, --Middle 8 (t • c &#124; privacy • COI) 06:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC) ce 08:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * To source Native identity we go to the tribes/Nations. Do they know the person? Are they enrolled? If not enrolled, do they have relatives and documented ancestry, and does a real tribe claim them? Many non-Natives make claims, but if the tribe doesn't claim them, they're not Native. There is no proof he was Native or even a descendant. If he had claimed a certain tribe and community, they might have issued a statement to the contrary, but there are so many people who make these false claims, the tribes rarely bother. The burden of proof is on the claimant, and Pope never offered proof, and kept his claims vague so no specific tribe had cause to issue a statement. Native identity is not like claiming distant, say, Russian heritage. It's like claiming to be a citizen of that country. As to affecting an accent... actors do that every day. Best, - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 14:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Mi'kmaq
Could you take another look at Mi'kmaq and see if semi-protection is needed again. Based on the discussion at Talk:Mi'kmaq between myself and Indigenous girl a few days ago I made this change. However, just over an hour later the ever changing IP reverted rather than join the discussion. By the way I found the problem with the " appearing. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 14:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Semi-ed for a week, response at article talk page. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hello
I keep being afraid when I see the red bell lit up, but am relieved they are from you. Thanks for all you are doing. Happy editing! Yuchitown (talk) 18:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown
 * I know! I'm the same way. I've been trying to find a frybread barnstar for you, in thanks for all this work, but will probably have to make it myself. Oh hell, I'll get uber-tradish and make one of wild rice or dry meat or something... Decolonize the foodz!!!! ;) - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 700 calories a pop for frybread. Yuck! Yuchitown (talk) 17:22, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Yuchitown

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Deleted post by IP sock of blocked user Til Eulenspiegel
Hope you don't mind, you can still read it of course. Doug Weller talk 13:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Doug. I made it clear on the talk page I wasn't endorsing any version, especially not The Wrong One, only that revert wars weren't the way to go about it. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 14:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Banshee
I'm not trying to be difficult at banshee; it's constantly being rewritten by New Agers and it makes me nuts and I apologise if I seemed hostile. I'm just trying to make sure the reader who arrives with not any idea about what a banshee is can literally understand the intro. Ogress 19:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your engaging. I was about to come to your page because it really does seem to me like you're not reading the sources and I find this quite frustrating. Did you read the DIL entry? I don't understand why you're saying the DIL material is "romantic." It's the Victorian-era stuff that's a problem, as well as, of course, the new age stuff. Similarly, the Creideamh Sí section is sourced. If people don't like storytellers from the living cultures like Eddie Lenihan, that's their call, but it should be included in the article, if nothing else as a place to debunk the kind of new age stuff that people may come to WP looking for, and may start a crap article on if we don't have a redirect to a sourced article.
 * I also don't understand your preference for the tumulus article over Irish ones. I reiterate that we really should improve the Irish one rather than go multi-culti with it. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 19:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok first, "tumulus" is not a "multi-culti" term, it's the archaeologically-neutral term for these kinds of burials, which are found all over Eurasia (and elsewhere). They have a name. I'm not sure why you think this is some kind of weird thing, tumuli are all over the literature. Barrow is an alternative term; I think Wikipedia went with tumulus preferentially because a barrow is also a device for labor (like in wheel-barrow) and a castrated pig, all three of which are native English words. Also, I said Romantic, as in Romanticism, not romantic, as in ... idk love or something. As for my preference to translation, I really really think it is a disservice to, say, a person who does not know Irish to come to the page "banshee" and get told it means "woman of the síd". REALLY?, they say. HOW HELPFUL. And síd isn't some magical term like dharma that has some difficult to sum-up meaning; it's literally just the Old Irish word for the man-made mounds, typically burials, which are called tumuli. Tumuli might be a technical term but it's English and used all over; using síd is just being difficult to the reader. It's oddly gatekeeping for us to translate a term like that. And Lenihan may well use whatever term he likes but he's a product of the Romantic influence on English. There's no "fairy" in the Irish, just the "mound people" (daoine sí). Ogress 19:30, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * "Tumulus" is English, yes. I meant the WP article, tumulus, covers multiple cultures, while banshee is a specifically Irish thing, so I think Irish links and sources should take priority. Did you read the DIL entry? I agree about the word "fairy" (see article talk and my last edit), and have removed it. But like it or not is in the DIL. I avoid using "the f-word" myself, but we have to source. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 19:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Rainbow Gathering Reversion, Need Your Advice
Hello CorbieVreccan ... I just noticed that you made a major revision to Rainbow Gathering on 14 April, 2016. You deleted the entire "List of gatherings" section at the end of the article due to no citations since Feb, 2014. I do understand the reason you did this and have no argument with it. My concern is that this section of the article has long been used by myself and many others as the best place to reference this info on the Internet and I would like to see it return. I am just wondering how this can best be done without risking yet another reversion by you or another editor? There were well over 100 listings of Rainbow Gatherings that have occurred worldwide since 1972 in this section. I have done many edits to Wiki articles over the past 10 yrs however I am by no means an expert on Wiki. Can you please give me some guidance on this? Do we need to go find a news article for every single one of those Rainbow Gatherings or is there some easier way to reinstate this section? Unfortunately I know of no single scholarly source for the entire list. I really need some guidance here. I would like the article to comply with Wiki rules. I just don't know how to best do that. I do know that the information that was deleted was 95%+ accurate. Thank you for any guidance you can provide.--Htfiddler (talk) 02:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Ht. The thing is, Wikipedia is not a blog, personal website, or organization website. It is an encyclopedia. If you want a place for networking, storing data or memorialising past gatherings, you should set up a blog or personal site for that. Content on WP must be cited to reliable sources, and must be encyclopedic in tone. WP:IRS goes into this in more detail. IMHO, the list cannot be appropriately sourced so is not appropriate for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Best, - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 03:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Right. So I am already talking to others in the group about creating a web page for the express purpose of maintaining this historical info. I'm thinking we could then add a link to it in the External links at the bottom of the page. Would this be a reasonable way to resolve the issue IYHO? Thx.--Htfiddler (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Once the webpage is up, those who edit the article will decide if it's appropriate to link to. But yes, that is preferable to trying to add uncited text to articles. Best, - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * So I see that either you or a bot has alphabetized the external links a few hrs ago. First, thanks for not deleting the link.  Second, is alphabetizing links a Wikipedia standard or just your personal preference as an editor?  Just curious. :)--Htfiddler (talk) 16:23, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The "editing" of your text on the Druid talk page was unintentional
Corbie, I looked at the two versions on your link. I didn't notice this initially. I think what happened is I pasted my signature, when I meant to copy something that you had written. This was unintentional. I didn't mean to, nor was I trying to alter your text. Sorry for the mistake. Probably just hit CTRL+V when I wanted CTRL+C. Just to let you know, whatever disagreements we might have, I an not the kind of person to maliciously edit stuff on your page, mine, or on article talk pages. I also left you a note on my page about this. joseph_setorius ☊ ☼ 19:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Lang Suir
Seems to be more of a venting about my deprod activities than a case for deletion. Please vent on my talk page or at Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_deletion. ~Kvng (talk) 14:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

speed deleting of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am haZikaron/ page
Good morning,

I want contest this speedy deletion, because I create this page by order of the director of Istitute Am haZikaron, Alexander Vidgop, and the web site amhazikaron.org is our site, what is why I take the information from it. I don't use all information from original site, only the most relevant to wikipedia.org. Thank you for your understanding. If you have questions, I can respond.

Yours respectfully, Marina Milevskaia

Institute Am ha Zikaron, Tel Aviv, Israel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marina2016 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Marina. Looking at your talk page and the deletion record, I see your page was deleted again for WP:G11 - unambiguous advertising. So this is not just about copyright, but also about spam issues and conflict of interest concerns. If you want to contest the deletion, you can go to WP:Deletion Review, but I agree with the second deleting admin: if it is your company, if you are employed by that company, it is against Wikipedia policy to create or edit a Wikipedia article about your company. Have Alexander Vidgop read this. Alexander Vidgop, please do not ask your employees to do this for you. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 16:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletion or merging of Tina Fontaine page
Good evening, You started a discussion in February on the Talk:Tina Fontaine on the notability of this page. I am proposing to delete this page or merge this page with some other page. If you have any feedback, please contribute. If you know of a better page that the Tina Fontaine death could be covered under, please recommend one. Thanks DivaNtrainin (talk) 01:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for Basil Frederick Heath aka Chief Basil White Eagle
Verum-ipsum (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2016 (UTC)I am trying to correct the entry for the above-mentioned subject due to erroneous information. Basil Frederick Heath was born in England on 18 March 1917, at 38 Somerleyton Road, in Lambeth, London. He was born Basil Frederick Amorim, and is recorded in the England and Wales Birth Index 1916-2005, Quarter Q2, Lambeth, Vol 1d, p 611; 1917, mother's name is listed as D'Amoreni due to a transcription error; an amended birth certificate from 1934 lists Andrew Cleve Heath as his father -- the entry has the exact same volume number Vol 1d, but under the "H" page at the bottom shows: "Heath, Basil F., mother maiden name d'Amoreni, V1d, see S/34". The Wikipedia entry has a lot of erroneous and unconfirmed information on it. I am presently working with another person with whom you have spoken on a wordpress page to correct this and many other things with all the necessary documents. Thank you for your patience as I am a first time user learning the ropes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verum-ipsum (talk • contribs) 18:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It may be a little while before I can get to this, but I'll ping you when I can. Other editors at the article talk page and WP:Indigenous can also help. Ideally, it should be set up as an official site, with information that shows how it is official (ie - info on how you're an authority on the topic), with scans or photos of the official documents. More later. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will look into the indigenous site as well. Verum-ipsum (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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Celt edit
Hi Corbie. I did as you asked and replied on the appropriate page, yet have heard nothing from you?Fergananim (talk) 13:35, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * My apologies for the delay. When I looked the other day I couldn't decide how best to organize it, so procrastinated. I'll try to look it over a bit later and respond on the talk page. Thank you for reminding me. Best, -  Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 16:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Native American Music Award page
I see what has occurred on the page(I think) since I edited it earlier today; so is the issue the IP editor has with the page is that it contains the term "Nammy"? 331dot (talk) 20:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your explaining the legal threat issue to them. I think their issue is that they are being prevented from using WP as a place for press releases and other non-critical promotional content. Reading their edits, I am pretty certain the IP edits and the new account are the same user. Check the contribs on both. I think they don't understand what WP is about and are WP:NOTHERE to create an encyclopedia but to spam. The semi may help for now, but we will probably wind up having to do some blocks. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 21:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for what you have done on this matter; I appreciate you telling me your impressions of the situation. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Serena Williams
Why do you keep re-editing Serena Williams' biographical article in a disruptive and negative manner?? Most of the wording and grammar doesn't make any sense and you are putting her Grand Slam achievements at the bottom of the page. Achievements of an athlete should follow immediately after the name introduction, as it with most tennis players, but you have decided to put Serena's achievements on a lower paragraph where users cannot see it, which only makes me conclude that you are a racist! And you NEED to get your facts right -- Serena Williams is WIDELY regarded as the greatest female tennis player of all time. Not just by "some" commentators and sports writers, as you would like. So get your facts right on that!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aries009 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC) :
 * I invite you to take a deep breath and have a cup of tea. Click on the tab on the top of the Serena Williams page that says, "history." If you peruse this, you will see that I made no changes to the text on that page. What I did was perform an administrative action and semi-protect the page to stop the new and logged-out users from endlessly edit-warring over the same word order and word choice. I have no opinion on which version is WP:The Wrong Version. Take it to the talk page of the article, and discuss with the actual people who are working on the content how the article should read. When you reach consensus, one of the more experienced editors on the team can make those changes. May I also suggest these helpful tips? Peace. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:23, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * Ah, got it. OK, I'm thinking we might have to go full rather than semi, as even though it's a new account doing this, and they're blocked now, they seem determined enough to me to edit up to autoconfirmed just to recreate. I'm going to full indef and make them go to AFC. If anyone feels that's too much I'll take it back down to semi, or I won't be offended if someone else wants to move it back down to semi after a while. I'm flexible on this one. :) - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 15:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Talk:Kenny Klein - could you please comment?
Hi!

I've been posting status of the court proceedings in the Kenny Klein article's talk page. I believe I am not violating any WP guidelines but as you are an admin and have been involved in this discussion, could you look in, comment, and if needed delete what I have written? Thanks so much! --BenBurch (talk) 21:25, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, and the source is here;  --BenBurch (talk) 21:27, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your description of smudge sticks is completely biased and erroneous. Your description is very prejudiced toward native Americans, and does not give an unbiased viewpoint regarding smudge sticks and their manufacture or use. For example your statement "commercial smudge stick makers do not use the same materials..." is complete nonsense (why are you stating that commercial harvesters for smudge sticks do not use the same materials, that is completely untrue and shows bias and prejudice... commercial harvesters / growers use white sage WHICH IS what native Americans use (reference the USDA PLANT GUIDE regarding white sage...).  This is just one example, there are numerous others in your un-informed write-up that shows prejudice... such as your statement that native american harvesters are the only ones that understand the plant cycles (best time to harvest etc), COMPLETE NONSENSE, some harvesters understand the plant very well, and use sustainable harvest practices that allow successful harvests YEAR AFTER YEAR.  These COMMERCIAL harvest practices actually improve the plants health and vitality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gvick2002 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear angry IP blanker of sourced content, who has now signed in to yell at Wikipedians. May I kindly suggest these helpful hints. As well as WP:CIVIL. I am sorry that you are upset about Indigenous cultural property being written about as Indigenous cultural property and feel compelled to remove this content from Wikipedia. Please familiarize yourself with the basic guidelines of being an editor here, and I think things will go better for you. Though there is no need to maintain conversations in multiple places, I will also post a link to this on your talk page for the handy reference of other editors. May I also note, whether you edit logged in or logged out, your edits count as yours; policies count per user, not per account/IP. Cheers! - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

John Lockley
You edits regarding primary sources on JL, do not conform to the definition of a primary source. Please read WP:PRIMARY to refresh yourself of the primary/secondary source policies and definitions. A primary source is original material written by people closely involved to an event/subject. A secondary source is from an author one step removed from an event and providing their own analysis from primary events. Secondary sources rely on primary sources for their material. The articles you appear to have a problem with, are secondary sources, that are archived in his website as they are not readily available online elsewhere, although they have been published independently in other media.

Given your history of agenda pushing and disruptive edits relating to this subject and similar topics, I would suggest you discuss your edits initially on the JL talk page under WP:BRD guidelines. Thanks Mycelium101 (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * While some of the sources are scanned, some have been retyped before being posted on his website. This means they cannot be trusted as secondary. At this point there are very few sources that are not links to his personal website. This is a problem. The article does not exist to be a guide to various pages on one person's website. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 23:04, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Mycelium, you are basically a SPA, who hounds and attacks those who interfere with your very limited, very focused, very promotional agenda here. For you to accuse any established Wikipedian of an agenda or COI is quite ironic. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 21:52, 12 September 2016 (UTC)