User talk:Coren/Archive Oct 2007

Diocles (mythology)
About this message: "This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Diocles (mythology), and it appears to be a substantial copy of http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Diocles. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences."

I've tried to create a disambiguation page for Diocles, and then I've copied the content related to the person in Greek mythology in a new article named Diocles (mythology). --Margacst 13:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Corensearch bot strikes yet again at an innocent victim
Thanks for your interest, bot, in the Mill of Ayreland article. Yes i used some info from a related article to start this new page, but i assure you the Burn of Ayreland page is distinct. I have done some further copy editing to mimimize overlapping text, but two of the references for example are identical. Hadrianheugh 19:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Olt River
The article indicated in your message is a copy of the Wikipedia article, which is original and raises no copyright issues. Afil 20:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

CorenSearchBot strikes again
14:25, 27 September 2007 (hist) (diff) WJMY-TV‎ (start article with information in Wikipedia's WMYD article & add source and info box) WJMY-TV topic on my talk page left by the CorenSearchBot is again referencing a Wikipedia mirror to detect that I used information from another Wikipedia article WMYD. Spshu 14:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * bot found my Greg Olsen (Artist) page, and it has subsequently been revised Carter | Talk it up 13:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Seeking the Way: The Greatest Hits
A note was added to Seeking the Way: The Greatest Hits and my talk page of a website I have never seen, I removed the tag, I got my info from http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=81535. Skeeker &#91; Talk &#93; 00:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Akelos Framework
The text is from downloaded tarball... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shtriter (talk • contribs) 10:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Cabbage patch dance
Bot was correct but duplication of Cabbage patch and Cabbage patch dance was temporary while I created the new article. Biscuittin 14:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

More thoughts (:-P)
I agree that it is good that many editors realise their mistake when CorenSearchBot places a notice on the article and their talk page. I maintain, however, that an element of human interaction would be appropriate and might lessen the strife that seems to be occurring on this page ;-) and concerning experienced editors who do not wish to be "templated" (however much I may disagree with some editors' reactions to being "templated"). --Iamunknown 11:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Meh, the strife is actually quite managable. I've gotten a bit of genuine whining here and there, but (to date) no vitriol&mdash; that's better than I expected.  :-)  &mdash; Coren (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Good to hear that it is manageable. :-)  --Iamunknown 17:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Bibleocean.com
Coren, I've gotten 4 messages saying that my articles copy that site. However, that site says the content is from Wikipedia. Can you excldude Bibleocean please? Thanks Soxrock Edit list/Talk 06:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

assumed copyright
The recently uploaded images and text are original copy of the Magic of Life Trust and do not infringe any other copyrights. We agree to license all content of these pages under the GFDL. If you could please ressurrect our wiki page we would be most grateful. Papilio121 12:28, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

How not to get zapped by CorenSearchBot?
I just chatted on the phone to a new user, who'd uploaded some text for an article, that the bot found and marked for zapping. However, he wrote the original page as well! See User talk:Trcbaird. Is there any simple flag to tell the bot "this is mine actually"? - David Gerard 14:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, the bot is a fantastically cool idea, particularly after such a thing has been discussed for so long. Do you have handy stats on performance, detection rates, false positives, etc? - David Gerard 14:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That is actually surprisingly hard to collect. The problem is that because humans are involved (heh) some of the numbers are not necessarily clear or separable:
 * Pages which were marked then deleted (probably true positives but there might be errors)
 * Pages which have been rewritten/edited sufficiently by the original author that by the time it got an SCV review it was no longer a problem (usually true positives)
 * Pages which were correct matches, but whose copyright status has then been corrected (permission from original author, etc)
 * Pages which were correct matches, but which matched a copy of an otherwise permissible source (some US Government document copied to some site copied to Wikipedia). Are those true or false positives?
 * Pages which were copies, but caused by error rather than true copyright violation (incorrect in-wiki moves, for instance). Those are "false positives", but do point out a (different) problem than needs to be fixed.
 * Pages which are real copies but not a copyright problem (sc&egrave;nes-&agrave;-faire material, bulleted list of non-copyrightable data (track listings of discs, for instance)). True or false?
 * Actual matching errors (those are genuinely very rare because of the algorithm used by CSBot)
 * Real copies missed. (Impossible to count)


 * In practice, there are some valid guesstimates that can be extracted (as of this moment):
 * In the almost two months it has been running, CSBot did 9466 edits to tag about 3180 articles (the total doesn't exactly match because sometimes edits are not actually done (already tagged, one of the other bots already reported to SCV, page already deleted)
 * Of those 3180 articles, 2298 have since been deleted
 * My eyeball guess is that roughly half of the others have not been deleted because they were fixed after being tagged (the other half being split between false positives, permissions, or permissible copies)


 * This would mean, depending on the assumptions, that CSBot is somewhere around 75% to 90% accurate (depending on how you define "false positive") and causes on average about 45-50 copyright violations to be deleted or fixed every day. &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The bot tagged Partnership Enterprise Law for a few sentences that matched the text on a website. The sentences in question are not copyrighted, at least by the non-Chinese company's website listed in the bot, because the text in question is part of a Chinese law. The article is devoted to that particular Chinese law and so quoting a few sentences of the official English translation given by the Chinese government (my actual source as opposed to the one given by the bot) would normally be in order rather than serve as a copyright violation. For these reasons I removed the tag.EECavazos 06:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

duplicate wikipedia articles
It's time the bot were fixed so it did not report WP articles sharing text or reference with other WP articles as copyvios. This is a general nuisance to all concerned. DGG (talk) 08:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It's providing a necessary service. Any reuse of Wikipedia text within other articles needs to specified (within the history or on the talk page) so that attribution to who wrote the text is maintained. It's a requirement of the GFDL. I have used the bots reports to fix numerous improper copy-n-paste moves.
 * However, I could see some potential changes that would help. Wikipedia matches could be listed in a different section on Suspected copyright violations with a different explanation of what should occur (convert the copy-n-paste to a move, add a note as to the original source). That would make it easier for people to ignore them if they wish.
 * Also, could the bot's sensitivity for Wikipedia matches be turned down? It does pick up cases that it shouldn't. This is especially true for stubs & bulleted lists where people copy the general outline of the article. These don't need to be reported (example: Slătioara River (Brusturi) & Slătioara River (Iza)).
 * Thanks. -- JLaTondre 14:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's even picking up cases where part of the reference list is in common. DGG (talk) 05:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

John Hudleston
Coren Bot said that the content for John Hudleston was duplicated from http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/fatherhudd.html This is mainly because the author of http://huddleston.bravepages.com/history/fatherhudd.html is Annette Hudleston Harwood, a descendant of his, who has been researching his life and allowed the content of her research to be published there. She has since requested me to submit it to Wikipedia. This can be verified and her contact details supplied if requested. MonicaHarwood 00:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)MonicaHarwood

FUCK YOU
just kidding :p--Asdfking1 05:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

david hite
reworked substantially brian stormen 09:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC) brian stormen 10:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

your bot
I got a message from your bot while splitting an article. It seems that http://webraindor.info/ is a clone of wikipedia. I removed your notice...Demonwhip 11:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Soda Pop-Rip Off
Your bot pulled another blunder. I did a quickie article for Slant 6's album, Soda Pop-Rip Off, and your bot confused it for something found on a website. Unlikely since I pulled the content out of my ass in two minutes. I removed your bot's notice. - Throw 12:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

CorenSearchBot strikes HMCS Miramichi (150)
It's a bit quick off the mark. While forking individual ship articles from similar ones, the bot sees them within seconds/minutes. A bit of a lag would be helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeadSongDog (talk • contribs) 19:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Advice needed
I notice you're familiar with the user Gazzer1991.2, and have warned them of copyright violations. This user's previously account was Gazzer1991, and was banned indefinitely for copyright violation. The user has a bad habit of stealing live images and claiming he photographed them. For example, Image:Galderdimmu.JPG was directly lifted from here. The image's rationale, however, claims the user in question took the photograph. To be fair, I don't know what to do. Would you recommend WP:ANI? LuciferMorgan 18:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The issue has been addressed, but thanks for your time none the less. LuciferMorgan 17:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Indian Narcotics Control Bureau
I just cut and pasted the portion from Law enforcement in India as that article was way to long and in depth. I did not originate the article.--Tomtom9041 00:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

George Terry
Article was rewritten, no similarity to CD Baby exists.

Vytal 03:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, It's not the case. I have written the article my self with the relevent informations, what I have gathered from authentic websites. Hope you re-analyse this case. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manu18 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Jan Servaes
Hello. The information about the umass link is factual and not copied. In my opinion, there is no copyright issue involved. --Fionalisa 02:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Cold Fire
The entry Cold Fire defaulted to an advertisement for a fire extinguishment product. Before removing the text from Cold Fire I placed it in Cold Fire (product) hence the remarks from the Bot. Thanks! Joelvanatta 02:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Takashima, Shiga (town)
You say that Takashima, Shiga (town) includes a substantial copy of. BUT, when I wrote this page, I excerpted Takashima, Shiga and Makino, Shiga, never copied from outside web text. It's a false charge for me.--Kyoww 03:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor (song)
My idea is to add lyrics to the songs articles, or create articles in which copy the lyrics. I don´t know if there are copyright problems in doing this, and your bot left me a message...Paul.- 03:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Bombardment of Yarmouth and Lowestoft
Your bot is correct that this was cut & pasted from another website. However, I obtained permission to do so ahead of time from the author/website manager. I will be happy to forward you the e-mail as proof if you request it. I have credited the author in the references section of the article. Please let me know if this requires further action on my part. Pen of bushido 18:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ontario Paramedic Association
As the director of IT for the OPA, I'm creating a Wikipedia page for the OPA, that is now subject for deletion. Please leave it as there is no copyright infringement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chatelain.pkr (talk • contribs) 19:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

another wikipedia clone
I got a message from your bot again, while splitting an article. Again, the so-called original is the wikipedia clone www.babylon.com, see Talk:Achterwehr (Amt). Markussep Talk 14:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

And again: Talk:Molfsee (Amt). Markussep Talk 15:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

And again: Talk:Südangeln. Markussep Talk 17:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * babylon.com is now excluded from matches. &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks! But I got another one: feedbus.com, see Talk:Dorf Mecklenburg-Bad Kleinen. Markussep Talk 18:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * and another one, medlibrary.org/medwiki, see Talk:Uecker-Randow-Tal. Markussep Talk 19:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * and another one, allexperts.com, see Talk:Breitenburg (Amt). Markussep Talk 20:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * and another one, reference.com, see Talk:Herzhorn (Amt). Markussep Talk 20:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * All four added. &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Kilmadan/Kilmodan
A false positive occurred while moving content from a topic with an archaic spelling (Kilmadan) to one using the universally used modern spelling (Kilmodan). The original content was copied to the new topic, then old topicreplaced with a redirection. Hard to see how a false positive could have been avoided in this case, except by allowing a "sufficient" delay for redirection to be implemented. Gavin Greig 22:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have repaired this copy/paste move. -- But |seriously |folks  20:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Urras
Moved original fictional planet article for Urras to Urras_(fictional_planet) and changed Urras disambiguation with other Gaelic meaning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmorrison (talk • contribs) 11:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have repaired this copy/paste move for GFDL compliance. -- But |seriously |folks  20:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

4 corner soccer
Hi. Your bot has sent me an error message as I have messed up the redirect of the above article to Four corner soccer. I thought the second was a more encyclopedic title for this stub in the list of articles to be wikified. If you can help me sort it, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Itsmejudith 13:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorted. The article is now Four corner soccer with a redirect from 4 corner soccer. Regards Tonywalton | Talk 15:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Commonwealth Secretariat
Hello I am the online writer and editor for the Commonwealth Secretariat and am responsible for all copy on our website. I recently added some information to wikipedia on Mrs Florence Mugasha, deputy Secretary-General of the Secretariat. I subsequently received a message from you informing me that the information I posted will be deleted. I appreciate you flagging up the fact that the information is a direct copy from the Secretariat's website. However, if I include an explanatory note, sourcing the material to the Secretariat, are you happy for the content to remain on wikipedia? I very much look forward to hearing from you. Please contact me at t.baird@commonwealth.int Kind regards, Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trcbaird (talk • contribs) 16:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Columbia Reservation
Hello. I'm confused as to what happened to an article that I started on this Native American tribe's reservation.Rosiestephenson 08:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

InuYasha Episode The True Owner Of The Great Sword
Hi, I did not copy or paste from www.tv.com. In fact, I am the one who put the information about that episode on www.tv.com. I originally got information about that episode from the InuYasha Fan Guide. Please accept my article. Kagome 85 22:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot error
Hello. I just translated Henry Nash Smith from the German WP, and immediately received a message concerning a copyright infringement, which obviously is an error. I am removing the tag from the article's page. Regards, Tirkfltalk 07:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ball State University Digital Media Repository Pages
Please disregard all notices flagging articles describing collections from the Ball State University Digital Media Repository (DMR). We are using text directly from pages in the DMR to describe the collections and to provide more access to a broader audience for important resources that will be useful for research. The articles are being posted by an agent of Ball State University who is authorized to use the content of those pages (copyright is held by Ball State University). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjdeloria (talk • contribs) 18:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleted as nonnotable coi spam. -- But |seriously |folks  20:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Iam new to this W. I got your message saying that the Han Dinh page that I just put up is copied from www.vietnam4all.com website. That article was submitted by me to that website..

PPhuong —Preceding unsigned comment added by PPhuong (talk • contribs) 05:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

International Congress on Industrial and Applied Mathematics
The wording the bot found is only a single sentence, not copied from anywhere, but a simple statement of fact. It isn't a "substantial" anything, let alone an infringement! Richard Pinch 21:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

HMCS Stratford
Hi, recieved an automated message concerning the page and a redirect page with similar names (HMCS Stratford), no conflict the situation is resolved.Tundrawinds 04:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Re.press== == there is not a copyright issue here. Thanks

paulnigelashton Paulnigelashton 09:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you tell me which article you mean, exactly? &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Baltimore-Washington Beer Works
Hello, I also received a message about possible copyrighted material from ravenbeer.com's website. I work for Raven (BWBW), and we're using our current website as a starter template for the wiki page until we develop a specific wiki-style page. Please do not remove. -Ben —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benpowell99 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

RICHARD SPURR CHARTIST LEADER
I am new to wikepedia

I originally setup a website on AOL free homepages, as i am now gradually leaving AOL and moving to Yahoo, the page will likely disappear.

I copied the page of MY WORK with a few changes to update it.

However I seem to have made an error as it says I have copied content from another (yes but it was mine).

could you please advise what I can do to keep the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel R Spurr (talk • contribs) 05:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

gkkarthic: Blue Cross of Hyderabad
Hi Coren, I am the webmaster for http://www.bluecrosshyd.in/ hence, there'd be no copyright infringement there. Thanks, Karthik —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkkarthic (talk • contribs) 08:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Harriett Baldwin - copyright
I am the webmaster of harriettbaldwin.com so there is no copyright in using biog details.

Regds

Talpzz8 22:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

RICHARD SPURR CHARTIST LEADER
I am new to wikepedia

I originally setup a website on AOL free homepages, as i am now gradually leaving AOL and moving to Yahoo, the page will likely disappear.

I copied the page of MY WORK with a few changes to update it.

However I seem to have made an error as it says I have copied content from another (yes but it was mine).

could you please advise what I can do to keep the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel R Spurr (talk • contribs) 05:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

lunit
Cmirotznik 04:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)I set up a page entitled Lunit for my boss, who created the program and holds the trademark for it, but the page was deleted. I did include some information from the programs website but this information was written by my boss who instructed me to create a wiki page for it. What can I do to get that information back up?Cmirotznik 04:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)cmirotznikCmirotznik 04:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Camerapedia
Are you sure that it's not possible to put Camerapedia (under GFDL) on some sort of blacklist (or whitelist) for CorenSearchBot ? It's really boring to get these messages all the time. Thanks. Rama 09:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Run Fast Turn Left
The content was written by myself as a band bio and appears on several other sites but is copywrite to myself.

There is no copywrite issue here.

thanks

phill run fast turn left —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4ngermouse (talk • contribs) 10:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Mohamed Mooge Liban
Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it. :) Corvus cornix 15:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support.
Hi Coren,

Thank you very much for supporting my RfA. It closed successfully a few hours ago, and I now have administrative access. Your kind, supportive remarks at my RfA are greatly appreciated.

Please feel free to contact me if you need help with activities requiring administrative access; I shall do my best to be of assistance to you. Cheers, --Aarktica 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

dear sir , the part copied were reviews by different newspapers .... and would have been unethical of me to change those statements. hence,I would request you to please publish the article

Thanking you, Piyal

Elizabeth Blackwell (english) - copywrite issue
This is not a copywrite issue as it is simply the full title of her book. Best wishes --Therealdocmartin 12:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The Homes of Donegal
The sentences in this article are song lyrics and do not come from any website. There are no copyrights to these lyrics as the song is a traditional arrangement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Honne (talk • contribs) 14:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

United States v. Binion
This is a court case. Some of the wording used in the trial may seem to be copyvio. I have changed the wording as much as possible and still retain the meaning of the case. --Mattisse 21:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
I merely copied most of the text from the similar Wikipedia article Independent Assemblies of God, International, to begin this one. Didn't realize that it was on their web page as well. I did edit the text to reflect the context.Brian0324 21:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Emily Hancock (Neighbours)== ==

Hi.

I may have created the article but didn't copy the information from perfectblend.net I moved the article to a more fitting page description. I'll put up a notice about a rewrite.

Conquistador2k6 22:53 18 August (UTC)

Dayne Walling
You marked the page for deletion before I could even finish it! And I lost a ton of my edits! Please be patient while I type everything out. Thanks Coren.

Bishop Terry McCaskill
This article 'Bishop Terry McCaskill' is a bio of his ministry. We are the offical publishers of this content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oneaccordwhim (talk • contribs) 20:23, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

AZX-Monstrum
Nice (and fast) find, but it's my site so it's OK if I say it's OK. // Liftarn

RE: Ray Kappe
I used a substantial, and important, quote from Kappe in direct connection with his philosophy behind architecture. The quote was also on the site I used as reference, which caused the problem. While I don't think this is a problem (the text was meant to be a quotation and not original text), I don't have the time right now to work a full article, so I removed the quote. I will leave the article as a stub until I have time to work on it more.

Brandonwyant

This is a Wikipedia mirror... --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

InfoLove on Canadian Wreetling Promotions
You sent me a letter saying I didn't have tehe copyright. How can I get an article published? becocouse this hapened already quite some times and I don't know what do I havbe to do wi the info to make it good. Tahnks Bye Infolove PD: Sorry If I made some trouble..hehhe not my intention I just wanted to help so.. sorry. Bye InfoLove

31st Squad
There is no copyright violation with the link to 31st Squad Forums. I own the website. Thanks.

RE: SPIRIT OF SOCCER
The copy taken from the Spirit of Soccer website is my copyright, as this is my website and my own copy. How do I go about having the block taken off my copy please? Thanks

RfA review
Hi,

I had a look, and its improving. I'd advise patience for a bit longer, although others might not feel the need... but you ask my view and all I can say is how I would do things...others may see it differently.

You went for RFA 2 months ago, in early August, and that was your second RfA. The main point was lack of consistent or sufficient or balanced experience, especially in content matters I think. You had started editing in April as a serious consistent editor.

The community has told you not once, but twice now, in effect, that you have previouasly sought RfA when more experience was needed. The last RfA was not marginal either, it was 21-18 at the end. So I would take that view seriously, and the next time you RfA, make sure you have a rock-solid case that you have taken the time to address the apparent deficiencies the community has perceived and taken note of, thoroughly. Not just slightly. A couple of months might be enough, but RfA tends to be quite tight these days in some ways, and you don't want to get dozens of failed RfA's behind you. It's better to accept the community felt it really _really_ wasn't enough, and get something like 4 months more of experience not just 2. That way you return to RfA with the evidence you didn't just address the issue minimally, which is a Good Thing.

In terms of other advice, keep getting mainspace experience. Find some articles you like and work on them, perhaps via some "wiki improvement project" that focusses on some set of articles. Visit RFC now and then, pick issues off that and try to help the articles named or give views on the disputes. That sort of thing. It's good experience and will also help you to show you have genuinely gone and addressed the concern over experience.

Hope that helps,

FT2 (Talk 19:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To your comment: being focussed outside mainspace is one thing. Having inability to understand it would be another. You might want to make the point that you have experience how it works, enough to have a good stance at RfA, even whilst stating that this is not your main focus. A thought. FT2 (Talk 19:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Its not a matter of appearances, I think. Its more that regardless of what you plan to do with the tools, there'll be a number of people who will want to be reassured that you understand building content and editorial issues, as well as supervisory stuff. So its not about appearances, more about showing you have clearly got basic competence in those areas of Wikipedia, even if it won't be your core area in future. But again, that's just my take, and I rarely do RfA work. Consider asking someone else's view too. FT2 (Talk 00:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Demander
As far as I know, this band satisfies two criteria for notability:

It has been featured in a notable Spin Magazine contest and mentioned on the website for MTV - both sources independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable.

Additionally, the group will soon be going on both a national and international concert tours, the former being reported in NME Magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookbookbook (talk • contribs) 03:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You might want to make that argument on the article's AfD entry. Right now, I'm not convinced that even if they were verifiable, those claims are sufficient for inclusion.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 03:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I've included these arguments on the article's AfD entry. I truly believe that the claims are both verifiable and sufficient for inclusion. The national touring can be verified by NME (New Music Express) and mentions by both Spin.com and MTV.com can be verified as well. Additionally, the notable musical history of the band's singer has been more than enough for similarly-linked groups to be approved for inclusion here. Thanks for your time and thoughts on this Coren! Bookbookbook 04:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hugh Ragin
I am flattered to see that Hugh Ragin Posted exerpts, from an article I wrote about him in 1999, to the Colorado Jazz Educators website. Needless to say, this material was not plagerized by me. I wrote and published it, based upon an interview with the musician in my own publication "Sugardaddy Jazz and Blues News for Denver and Boulder" (now defunct as I have relocated to L.A. where I am still writing profiles of jazz talent). I believe that sharing my knowledge and published writings about these musicians via Wikipedia is another avenue to support the art form and the artists. Michelle Mobley 07:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Matt Beck
The information used was obtained from www.mattbeck-fans.com of which I own the domain rights and run the site. All information has been approved by Matt Beck for my usage. There is no copyright violation.

Shirlise 07:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Shirlise Castille owner www.mattbeck-fans.comShirlise 07:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfA
I am sorry that you felt it necessary not to support my RfA at this time. As you probably know, my RfA did not succeed. I will attempt to get some more experience and become "drier behind the ears" before applying again in two month's time. I hope I will have allayed your concerns by then, but if not, feel free to comment the way you feel you should. Thank you for participating in my RfA. -- Cobi(t 18:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

PD Article
Thanks, appreciate it :-)--Nobunaga24 01:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

CSI, Cop Killer
It is not exactly same, I did not copy it, isn't that alright? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JiaAn94 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * CSBot is good, but it's still just a dumb program. If you simply wrote from scratch and it just happened to look like the cited source (which isn't unlikely since you are both describing the same show) then just go ahead and remove the tag.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Lightsource.com
Can I change the AfD to a CSD on Lightsource.com, or do I have to let the AfD run its course? --Fl e x (talk/contribs) 02:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wicca/Paganism in Australia
The content of this page has not been taken from another Website, it has been taken from the wikipedia page 'Religion in Australia' and I happened to have written this information. I did not take it from anywhere without permission, i researched & did the work myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LilMizPiper (talk • contribs) 04:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

✅ – confirmed and removed from Suspected copyright violations just now. &mdash; madman bum and angel 04:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Asaph Fipke
I made this article, put some work in it. Now it was speed deleted for some reason which is not specified anywhere... and someone else made it a new and now it's suddenly accepted... Am I missing something here? Neo256 07:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

LightSource.com
i see that you proposed speedy deletion for lightsource.com However, this is a valuable website that is the first website to stream free Christian video of different pastors and authors. If you notice in the category of Christian websites, there a number of articles pertaining to websites that are chrsitian, this does not mean that the site is being advertised. I simply wanted people to know that there is a site that has free videos of sermons and that is a worthy site. RopeTrav - October 12,2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.253.81.4 (talk) 12:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Istvan Jaray
I did get info from the Johnstown Symphony Website for the Istvan Jaray article, but not only is this info not copyrighted, I did change it as much as possible, but I deemed that info vital for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakmac12 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

NY reps
2 more US reps showing copyright message from articles taken from US Congressional Biographies:..John Cramer (representative), and Thomas Treadwell Davis.....Pmeleski 13:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added the CongBio attribution tag to the list of those the 'bot understand. &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Untitled from Lawofficer
Hello, as suggested by the following text, I Have removed the tag (I hope) and am letting you know that the information in the article about the USS Fort Mandan LSD-21 is not plagiarized, but is my own work from the website www.ussfortmandan.us I hope I have done everything correctly, and will tune, clean and add images to the article later.

it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot 21:03, 13 October 2007 (TC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lawofficer" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawofficer (talk • contribs) 22:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Nasser Bin Hamad M. Al-Khalifa
Yup - you were right. I was being lazy. Will try again on the new entry for Nasser Bin Hamad M. Al-Khalifa. Second Foundation Second Foundation 21:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Speakerheart
Yes, I need to reference the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speakerheart1 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Alcippe
CVS only temp whilst transferring most of content to Alcippe (Greek mythology) Jimfbleak 07:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

W.I.N. Foundation
Hi, www.wininspiration.net is the web page for the W.I.N. Foundation Glamazon 09:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)glamazonGlamazon 09:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Withdrawing the nomination
Hi Coren. In regards to the Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein article that you recently nominated for deletion Articles for deletion/Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, I have now fully upgraded the article to meet the criteria of WP:BIO, WP:CITE and WP:N. I respectfully request that you reconsider the nomination and withdraw it. May I also suggest that if at all possible, when dealing with a topic or biography that relates to Jews and Judaism and about which you may not be that familiar, it would be a good idea to place a question and consult with the Judaicly knowledgeable editors and participants at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Also, placing a notification on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism would have been helpful to those editors who keep track of these types of AfDs relating to Jews and Judaism. In the case of this article, it needed more editing and Wikification but its subject is very notable in the English-speaking Orthodox and rabbinical world and did not deserve a AfD. Thank you, 12:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. Put simply:  No.  All articles are subject to the same requirements and guidelines; and an article that does not meet those guidelines is subject to deletion&mdash; regardless of whether the topic is Judaical or not.  At the time I nominated it, the article on rabbi Adlerstein made no assertions of notability, and did not meet the requirements of WP:BIO (and, since it is the biography of a living person, those are to be construed narrowly).


 * As I am about to restate in the AfD, in order to be considered for inclusion, the subject of a biography needs to have coverage from reliable sources. This means articles about that person, not simply mentioning them or quoting them.  The sources added to the article are all either by rabbi Adlerstein, or simply mention him in passing (with, possibly, a quote); excepting a short bio blurb on the Ethics Center (which is not independent since the rabbi is associated with them).


 * Please keep this discussion on the article's AfD discussion. Discussion about the possible deletion of an article need to remain public and transparent, and it's not reasonable to expect the other participants would be watching my talk page.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed response but so far, I have been on Wikipedia for almost five years and only articles about notable rabbis, as in Category:Rabbis and Category:Orthodox rabbis, have managed to survive, so that while Wikipedia's rules have grown by leaps and bounds the self-regulating system that has existed among editors on WikiProject Judaism concerned with Jews and Judaism issues has done a great job too as it also keeps within Wikipedia's policies and standards. We do not need always need "bots" and knee-jerk reactions at this time there are no rules in place on Wikipedia for how to treat biographies of rabbis, especially notable Orthodox rabbis by Orthodox Judaism's standards, who may have published volumes and be quite famous and notable in the world of Orthodox Judaism, but the world has never heard of them, yet we have a good system and track record for maintaining highs standards, and their biographies get published on Wikipedia with correct and reliable sourcing from Judaic and outside sources. Remember, you are dealing with a religion and its leaders and notable figures, and a small one at that, and often what is written may be in Hebrew or Yiddish, so that complicates things. If you are having difficulty understanding what I am saying perhaps we need to take this up with a higher level on the ArbCom if necessary so that a standard for rabbis be set up when the usual criteria that you keep mentioning here do not fit as neatly as you would like them to. Let me know. IZAK 18:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you feel the current WP:BIO guidelines are inadequate, the better venue for discussing altering them is the Wikipedia talk:Notability (people) talkpage; I don't know how familiar you are with Wikipedia dispute resolution, despite your five years here, but the ArbCom normally only takes case of user behavior, not render down judgment to modify guidelines or policy against consensus.


 * For the record, it makes no difference that I am "dealing with a religion and its leaders". Everyone is equal in my eyes, and rabbis are held to the same standards of notability as lion trainers or singers, or whatever else.  Either they meet WP:BIO or they do not.  Why they do not is not material.


 * Again, I must insist you keep this conversation on the article's AfD discussion. I have no desire to hold a private discussion about the relative merits of this (or other) articles outside the proper venue.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 20:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Kyle Froman page
Hi. The biography of Kyle Froman is different from the bio page found on the NYCB website. The listing of his featured roles etc, are simply lists, not copied sentences. Please let me know if copyright is still an issue in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malati512 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Hearse Song
It was copied, but i was adding it to external link AND its a worldwide song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dacheatcode (talk • contribs) 22:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

re: Jacin Giordano article
Hello coren, thankyou for your time.

I have a bit of trouble: I really want to keep the article that I created about the Miami artist Jacin Giordano up (it may already have been deleted I cant tell exactly) I have tried to follow the directions to the best of my knowledge about how to contest notability. (placing in the article and explaining in the talk page that Jacin is a prominent miami artist w/ shows in paris and spain and because of this and other reasons: has a high amount of google hits...(I think this is a sufficient notability test)) if there is anything else I can do please help by explaining it to me...

Thankyou very much

Josh sigman (Joshsigman)

Hello coren, thankyou for your time.

I have a bit of trouble: I really want to keep the article that I created about the Miami artist Jacin Giordano up (it may already have been deleted I cant tell exactly) I have tried to follow the directions to the best of my knowledge about how to contest notability. (placing 'hangon' in the article and explaining in the talk page that Jacin is a prominent miami artist w/ shows in paris and spain and because of this and other reasons: has a high amount of google hits...(I think this is a sufficient notability test)) if there is anything else I can do please help by explaining it to me...

Thankyou very much

Josh sigman (Joshsigman) Joshsigman 02:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

National Amusements to CyGamZ - CorenBot tagged me
In my inexperience, I copied and pasted information from one to the other due to the volume of shared information. I have since edited out the body and left basic information in there for now. I know CyGamZ had been deleted before for copy right violations. I tried not to make the same mistakes as the last guy who posted it.

JetBlackDog75 07:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Henriques family
I have created an article using the material in Category:Henriques family, and am asking for that category to be deleted. (As I created both, and there are no changes, I don't think this should be a problem).

wikibiohistory 11:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Optime (disambiguation)== ==

Optime page was essentially a disambiguation page. I therefore altered it to become a specific page and created a disambig page from there. Before I altered the Optime page completely I had created the disambig page with the original content hence the message.Kwib 22:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Khanna (City)
Hi, I jus had a message from your bot re duplication of the User:Ganeshbot/sandbox/Khanna page at Khanna (City). Just thought I'd inform you of the details of what actually took place:

The Ganeshbot was created long ago to automatically create articles for cities, towns and villages in India. However, many articles could not be created since the article-names already existed (example: Khanna). Hence, these articles had to be manually created.

Due to some mistake by someone sometime back, the article within Ganeshbot's subpages was linked from the mainspace. It was simple maintenance work to shift the content to Khanna (City).

Your bot is pretty awesome, btw. Extremely fast. Kudos. aJC freak y A <font color="#FF6600">k  10:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gibraltar Methodist Church
I have licensed the text under GDFL as requested Wikillaniman 11:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Scivee
This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Scivee, and it appears to include a substantial copy of. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences.

This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot 15:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I amended it from the CORDIS website of press releases - which of oucrse are intende to be copied!
 * Johnbibby 15:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Eilean an Taighe
Some of the text was indeed copied, but from Shiant Isles. Corenbot picked up a wikipedia mirror site. --MacRusgail 15:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Bangor (Northern Ireland Parliament constituency), Lagan Valley (Northern Ireland Parliament constituency)
These constituencies have very similar histories to Larkfield (Northern Ireland Parliament constituency), and also to Newtownabbey (Northern Ireland Parliament constituency). In cases like this, it's perfectly normal to have several articles which start in a similar fashion. It'll get pretty tiresome if your bot keeps flagging them all. Warofdreams talk 01:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

substanstial copy?
I may have quoted too many lines from another website when i created an article. I made the "waterbrash" article. Can you check it out for me. I would fix it but I don't know how to edit the text i wrote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleepyportugee (talk • contribs) 06:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

kent and medway training
I have just submitted an article of Kent and Medway Training. I work for KMT and am the webmaster of their website so the content of the article is not in breach of copyright —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andywalker1965 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Terry Scales substanstial copy?
The entry has been edited to remove the substantial copying from the source page. The remaining text is a basic bio stub referred to the subjects homepage. Vic dood 17:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Bitstream Thunderhawk
I don't care if you delete the entry or not. I wasn't advertising for anything. I looked up a list of web browsers, saw one without any article, and tried to post a short snippet about it. Was trying to help. Guess my help wasn't needed.

Rsweeney 20:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Too Quick
Computers are too quick. Your search bot wrote me a note as I was disambiguating a page. To do that I created a new page with a new name (which conformed to the names of other pages in the series) and copied the content from the old page to the new page, thus duplicating the content. I then went to the old page and modified its content to make it into a disambig page as it needed to be. Now both the old page and the new page conform to the page naming in a tangled web of abiguity. see LZ1, LZ2, and the bottom of Zeppelin LZ2 where there is a list of the first five Zeppelins each a Wikilink to a Wiki article named "Zeppelin LZ?" where ? is one of 1, 3, 4, or 5. The only missing number was 2 where the page was named "LZ2" but that name is also the common name of a compression algorithm which is what I was looking for. Now the page "LZ2" is properly a disambig page (as was "LZ1" before I made these changes). Nick Beeson 19:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

CGAS Cape Cod
I didn't add a works cited fast enough on it. Ktr101 01:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Ken Henry
The text is from the Australian Treasury website, and is appropriately sourced.

Andrewleigh 04:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:1982 New York Jets season
It appears the bot tagged the article because the text was aped onto a pandapedia page, and assumed that the copying went the other way around, when it clearly didn't. That appears to be some sort of mirror site to Wikipedia. Just a heads up in case other articles get tagged for copying from that site.--Highway99 07:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Kansas v. Hendricks
This is a U.S. Supreme Court case and there are no copyright issues involved. I am describing a legal case and all articles on legal cases on Wikipedia quote the original decision to some degree. But it is mostly in my own words and it is properly cited. Wht does the bot say copyvio when there are several citations on the article? I just started it for god's sake. --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse 18:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This bot continually does this to me. It harasses me and I am sick of it. Real copyvios it seems to miss. In fact, I reported a complete copyvio, including the reference section and because it was from a U.S. government source (as this one is) the copyvio did not count and the article was not reworded at all. From now on, when ever I get one of these bot notices, I will cease instantly working on the article. I have ceased working on Kansas v. Hendricks even though the article is perfectly fine because I am sick of this bot.  --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse  20:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Describing the case is okay. Quoting from the decision is okay.  Copying commentary of the decision originating at a law school is not.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 20:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if you think that is what I did then delete the article.  --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse  21:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not what I said; but the bot noted similarity between the text you wrote and text found elsewhere (specifically, a web site that is not otherwise known to be GFDL or public domain). Since the articles also had no known attribution tag, the tag was appropriate.  If you feel harassed by that, then I am sorry&mdash; but the behavior was correct.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was cited when I created it. I never create an article without citations, categories etc. What is a known attribution tag if a footnote reference is not good enough in the article's first few minutes of life? We are not even talking 5 minutes here. Why is not a footnote reference enough for an article that is 5 minutes old?  --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse  21:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of age. The known attribution tags are, for instance 1911 or DANFS which are amenable to machine recognition.  The bot brings possible copyright problems to human attention; if it turns out there isn't a problem, then removing the tag is a few seconds of work.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know what those tags are except possibly the EB 1911 edition. Are you suggest those tags are good or bad from your bot's point of view? Are you saying I should stick one of those tags on my articles so I can have few moments of peace when I first create an article?  --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse  22:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They are excellent, since they properly attribute the sources. Of course, you only use them if they actually are correct.  Placing a 1911 on an article unrelated to the 1911 EB would be a bad thing.  Otherwise, just remove the tag the bot places&mdash; human editors will check things out anyways so if no copyright violation is taking place, no further action will be required. &mdash; Coren (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I object to getting a harassing notice on my talk page within minutes of creating an article. Right in the middle of the first creation, when I am lining up all my sources and everything, I get that message flash which I have learned to hate. It is nerve racking. --<font color="007FFF">Mattisse  22:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Damn you Coren. And damn your robotic menace as well.
* shakes fist meaningfully* HalfShadow 02:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Muahaha. Resistance is futile!  &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot edit in Aleksandra Samusenko
Hi, Coren. See the recent article's edit summary on that. --Brand спойт 15:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bot Algoithm
I raised a question at Wikipedia talk:Suspected copyright violations that you may wish to participate in. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 17:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above. My mistake was pointed out to me. -- JLaTondre 18:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Fort Union (Wisconsin)
This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Fort Union (Wisconsin), and it appears to include a substantial copy of http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2558. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences.

This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot 12:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rattis_irrittis"

The photo is my work, I don't belive that text from a waymaker is copyrighted material Rattis irrittis 12:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

About the article Thrinax ekmaniana
Hello there, this is about a notice for deletion of the picture of the Jumagua Palm that appears in the article "Thrinax ekmaniana". This photo was taken by the eminent botanist Carlo Morici (Carlo Morici), Morici personally worked with me and advised me about this article and the parent article dedicated to the Mogotes de Jumagua, the natural habitat of this very rare species of Palm. The photo in question has been released to public domain by the author and used in several sites. Mr. Morici ask me to put the photo in both articles himself, note also the picture has a watermark showing his authorship that I made for him. Please consider all this this before taking away the photo, since it is the only one of this endangered tree.

I also join the others user asking for a more flexible "bot" about copyright issues, the article itself was difficult to write since we were using Morici's previous articles in the web as well, this doesn't necessarily mean we are going the wrong way. I'm about to embark in a new article about a new palm that Carlo discover last year in Cuba, I know same troubles are going to appear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lezumbalaberenjena (talk • contribs) 19:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, there are a number of things we can do; but the most important thing you need to realize is that CSBot does not mark articles for deletion, only for human attention so you can simply go ahead and remove the tag. If you know which source your information will come from, and if its copyright permissions allow it (or if you have explicit permission) then we can preemptively whitelist the source and you'll get no warning.  Please keep in mind that if an article you wrote was tagged by CSBot then deleted, then it was deleted by a human administrator who has reviewed the article.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation. So are you (or any other admin) whitelisting the article? Because that would be great. I'm gonna start the new one probably today under the name "Coccothrinax torrida" if you go to the article "Coccothrinax" is almost one of the last ones in the list and you can see it was discovered by "C. Morici & R. Verdecia" I'm gonna be using pictures and probably some text from the site of Jardin Botanico de las Tunas and from this site "http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Coccothrinax/torrida.html" because they were taken and written by Carlo as well, he already gave me green light on the matter a coupe of weeks ago. Hope this is Ok Coren, if any issue occurs can I get back to you?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lezumbalaberenjena (talk • contribs) 14:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can come back to me without hesitation. However, I cannot whitelist the http://www.pacsoa.org.au/ website, it states quite clearly on its entrance page that "All material on these pages is copyrighted by PACSOA, and may not be used without permission."  Since you have explicit permission from a specific author, you'll have to explain so on the article's talk page and its likely that CSBot will tag the article.  Again, as I said, this is nothing to worry about directly since a human will come by and see your note on the talk page but I would recomment formalizing the fact that you have permission which will avoid all problems entirely. Sorry if this is a bit of trouble, but it is important that the copyright status of text that ends up in Wikipedia is unambiguous (and legal, obviously).  I'm sure you can understand.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Salamander
What's your problem? The change I made wasn't a joke. Might I suggest you learn to conduct yourself properly as a sysadmin? For one thing, do you even know what a caduate is? Because that's not what Sala is in the anime. Definitely not. He's a fire lizard. A salamander in mythology is a lizard, not an amphibian. Additionally, you're doing a rather poor job of making me feel welcome here. Bokan 01:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * My apologies. I misinterpreted your edit (I didn't notice which section it was in) while keeping an eye on a recently vandalized article.  I've struck out the warning on your talk page and left an notice to explain that.  And yes, I do know what a caudate is, but I'm no anime expert.  :-)  &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine, sorry I blew up at you, but I can't put the slashed out thing back up. It says that happened too far back for me to bring it back. Bokan 02:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan


 * One apology is sufficient thanks :) Bokan 02:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Bokan

Amendments to my article
Hello, hope the changes I made to article about Henry Agar-Ellis, 3rd Viscount Clifden are sufficient. Bashereyre 08:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * They appear to have been. Good editing!  &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Sadi Carnot
I'll reply to your (very welcome) comment here rather than clog up the thread even more. Yes, I try to be civil with people who are civil with me, but otherwise I have no connection with Sadi Carnot and I can quite understand that certain users find him annoying. No, I don't think this affects my judgement because I think the ban is wrong in principle, even if Sadi Carnot never benefits from the lifting of it (that would be his own personal decision). So many bad things have been said about this user that I have to use strong terms to defends his rights, and the edits which he has made that have been appreciated by WikiChemists in general (as opposed to the theories he expounds in his book). Best wishes. Physchim62 (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think this is where we disagree. From what I can discern, and from the opinions of those who are chiming in from the wikiprojects, Sadi's contributions may have had the appearance of being good, but are either subtly wrong, or obsessed contents from sources so old the only place left for them is in historical articles.


 * What I think happened is that Sadi constructed an elaborate and fanciful theory from cherry picked fragments of genuine science (some over two centuries old) and is now probably genuinely convinced of his brilliance and insight. Then he attempted to expound his theories on WP (not an unfamiliar pattern; that's the very reason why there is an OR policy!)


 * Where the problem lies is after being rebuked the first times. He then came back and started to make hundreds of small, cumulative edits over many articles in order that a non-expert looking at his contributions would see nothing way out there, and cross-checking in the other articles he had also tweaked would seem to give support to his edits.  Couple that with the unfortunate tendency of giving quotes and citations that appear to support his edits and nobody but experts (or very patient editors) can sort out the fringe from the science anymore.


 * Whether by conviction of helping the encyclopedia or by obsessive mania, he will come back and start again. A ban is, I am now convinced, the only way to contain the damage.  But remember that a ban can be overturned.  If he comes back, he can ask; an I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a probation if he clearly understands why he has been banned in the first place.


 * Want a prediction? He will come back (probably with a new identity) but not see why we felt this was needed.  Either convinced there is a cabal trying to suppress his revolutionary insight, or that we are just a bunch of philistines unable to comprehend his revelation, he will work hard to "make the truth known".  I might be wrong.  I hope I am, actually.


 * So... I think you were rash in lifting the block, and I think now concensus is very clear that a community ban is appropriate.  I know you disagree with it in good faith, but I also hope you see that there was no witch hunt.  We're all trying to protect the encyclopedia, not burn old ladies (even if it is true that some proponents of the ban were... a bit vocal).  &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (As a note, I don't think anyone says that everything SC wrote is bad; but that everything is suspect&mdash; this is why many are talking about going through his contributions). &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I honestly believe that SC is being persecuted for his opinions rather than what he has actually done. Your last comment illustrates the hysteria—SC has been editing on high profile articles for nearly two years, his edits are no more "suspect" than anything else that appears on Wikipedia. Hopefully ArbCom will allow people to look at the evidence in a calmer manner. Best wishes, Physchim62 (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration
You have been named in a request for arbitration titled Sadi Carnot. Please visit Requests for arbitration and consider making a statement per the instructions there. Thank you. - Jehochman Talk 00:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

'A Defence of Poetry' Unnecessarily Deleted
Coren, your bot did catch text that matched perfectly 'A Defence of Poetry', but it was someone citing Percy Bysshe Shelley's article! It was the same text because the copyright no longer applies because 'A Defence of Poetry' was published in 1821. The text I supplied wasn't an article, but the first paragraph of the Shelley's response to Thomas Love Peacock having cleverly slagged poetry. The text your bot found was in the pre-amble to a listing of notes added to the complete text of 'A Defence of Poetry'. I will be recreating the quotation, and will expand it to include its genesis. Thanks to your bot for bringing to my attention more history about Shelley's interesting article, which is really an argument about the place of reason versus imagination has in the human condition. And I could see why it was fooled, but I found the quick deletion of this article that exists in the public domain to be a bit odd. Even a tiny bit of research within Wiki itself would have shown the item to have been published in 1821. --e.gajd Canada 05:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Revd John Mason
You are correct in spotting the plagiarism of another site but since I wrote that site also, I am surely allowed to plagiarise myself! Medw813164 13:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Medw813164

Catholic Encyclopedia
Your copyvio bot doesn't realise that the old Catholic Encyclopedia is now in the public domain. Please whitelist www.newadvent.org, and mirrors. Charles Matthews 16:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Coren
...and thanks for letting me know about that ANI thread. I seem to have missed the boat on that somewhat. As an inexperienced editor (especially in the area of user conduct) I am not sure that my posting there now will be of any benefit since the issue is now subject to arbitration. I really hope I haven't done anything wrong here. I am finding this whole affair really quite disorienting, but I remain interested in the facts. Peace ~ TreeKittens 16:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

List of ship decommissionings in 1967
Was tagged as a copyvio, however the presumed copyvio was copied from the Wiki article, so I went ahead and removed the copyvio tag. Further explanation on the talk page of the said article. -- Kjet 17:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

(Scp2007 20:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)) I have removed the copied content from the page of The Raven's Knot. There should now be no problem

Association for the Study of Ethnicity and Nationalism article
Your bot tagged an article that I just created as a duplicate, and it is - but of the draft that I have been working on in my user space. You should configure the bot so that it does not search user pages; otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of false-positives when people post the articles they have been working on. – SJL 02:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. That's a bug.  I thought it was fixed; apparently not.  *grumble*  I'll get right on it; sorry about the trouble.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Mitchum
Hi,

I'm trying to add a page for a photographer named Jeff Mitchum. Every time I add anything the SearchBot feels its copyrighted content. I tried using content from his website which is allowed by Jeff Mitchum. I also tried just adding his name and the company he operates under and still the page is being removed.

Please either let me know why or how I can get his page to NOT be removed everytime.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffmitchum (talk • contribs) 20:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Plagues and Pleasures of the Salton Sea
I'm in discussions with the copyrighted Web site: http://www.chasdoc.org/2006/film/22.htm. They actually repurposed the material from our press kit. Henry kumagai 19:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Fred Perry (comics)
I was copying from. Your bot correctly recognized that. But this contend is under the GFDL, so there was no need for a deletion warning message on the page. The users on WikiFur should be correctly attributed but a bot can't see this, that's what human beings are there for.--Yamavu 20:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, and that's why CSBot tags for human review, not deletion. Happy editing!  &mdash; Coren (talk) 21:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Speakerheart
Yes, I need to reference the article.

I represent AGMMA - I do their PR and issued the NZ gaming Expo press release. I have been advised to include references on Wikipedia.

-Original Message- From: rferrar@agmma.com [mailto:rferrar@agmma.com] Sent: Friday, 5 October 2007 3:00 PM To: Judi Kelly Subject: Re: Wikipedia

Judi, Sounds like a good idea on all counts, please do. Thanks, RossF.

Sent via BlackBerry from Telstra

-Original Message- From: "Judi Kelly" <Judi@KellyCom.com.au>

Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:57:19 To:"'Ross Ferrar'" <rferrar@agmma.com> Subject: Wikipedia

Hi Ross, I just did a google search to find out dates of G2E Asia 2008, and came across this wikipedia entry for them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2E_Asia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G2E_Asia> Let me know if you want me to add the Australasian Gaming Expo and AGE – and if so, I can send you through draft text. Maybe you may also want me to do for AGMMA? Just thought I’d mention before I forget. Judi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamesgaming (talk • contribs) 05:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Tim Carmon
I rewrote the article. Will revise and expand it soon.

Vytal 04:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

KHangMan
Hi! I have the permissions to copy the text from the original author, Anne-Marie Mahfouf. // Kristho —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristho (talk • contribs) 11:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

US Gubernatorial election 1990 - Mirror?
When I started this article, the bot said that my article is a copy of.

I think this a mirror site because even though I started to load the page, and I stopped loading it because it was taking too long and I wasn't sure if it was spamming me or not, I checked the page source and it looked like my article. Please check on this ASAP. Thanks in advance! Mr. Matté 21:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a mirror as such; it's a dodgy internet drug retailer embedding WP content for SEO reasons. I de-tagged and de-listed. CIreland 22:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * To bad what can to that with that slimeball's site! &mdash; Coren (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)