User talk:Corinne/Archive 2

Dixie Chicks
What do you think of the first sentence of this article? "Dixie Chicks is an American country music band which has also crossed over into other genres." Is this really natural American English? Rothorpe (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. I can think of more precise ways to convey the same information, but this is the way most people would say it.  I would have preferred avoiding the word "also", saying something like, "Dixie Chicks is an American country music band which has at times crossed over into other genres.", or "Dixie chicks is an American country music band which has crossed over into other genres at various times."  But for most people, I think the sentence is acceptable.CorinneSD (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. The reason I asked is that for many British speakers, 'Chicks' would require a plural verb. Your not even noticing that proves that the sentence is OK. After typing, I thought you might instead comment on 'also', which I agree is just about acceptable. Rothorpe (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh. You're right.  I didn't even notice that.  In American English, a band, even the name of a band, is nearly always singular.CorinneSD (talk) 15:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Rothorpe (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Parmenides
I saw the comment regarding "your edits" to Parmenides on your Talk page. I know your feeling about BC vs. BCE and AD vs. CE because you told me a while ago, but I couldn't find any edits of yours to Parmenides changing BCE to BC, etc. When was that? What do you think about the comment?CorinneSD (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I found them. But how does he know you feel BCE and CE are "rubbish"?  It's not in the edit summary.CorinneSD (talk) 22:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's on my talk page, 19 September - he provides a link. Rothorpe (talk) 23:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Woolpit
Hi - I've added a new section to Woolpit on Our Lady of Woolpit and the Lady's Well. Hope you approve. The section on the church needs some attention, particularly standardising the references! John O&#39;London (talk) 10:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a wonderful addition to the article. I see you took information about the well out of the previous section on the church, which is fine.  Your new section is quite well written.  Would you mind if I made a few minor edits?  If you don't like them, feel free to revert.  Regarding standardizing the references in the section on the church, I have to say that I don't know how to do that.CorinneSD (talk) 14:56, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed "back" after "referring" because it is unnecessary. "Re" means "back".CorinneSD (talk) 15:13, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right of course, though 'refers back' is quite a commonly used phrase. The problem with the church section is it's not clear what comes from which of three different sources! John O&#39;London (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that "refers back" is a commonly use phrase. If you prefer it that way, by all means add the word "back".  It's not that important one way or the other.  Do you have access to those sources?  I guess it will take some time to research.CorinneSD (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * - actually I've just spotted that the original author, Clive Paine, wrote '"..a survey of the manor of Woolpit in 1573-76, which refers back to a manorial court of 1557-58"! But yours is much more succinct. I can find the sources for the church, but I'd also want to look at the Suffolk volume in Pevsner's Buildings of England for a definitive description - I really don't like those unqualified phrases "most perfectly restored" and "quite perfect". The history section as well could do with some work - it relies on an 1827 publication for information on the pre-Conquest ownership, and there's no source at all given for the fairs and the brick-making. I remember noticing when I visited Woolpit a while ago that the local museum has a display on the brick-making industry, so something may have been published. It may also be worth including a reference to the Clarecraft factory (making Discworld and other figurines), which was in Woolpit (the Wikipedia article on Clarecraft simply says "Suffolk") until its closure in 2005. John O&#39;London (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed by your store of knowledge about Woolpit. Regarding the phrase, if you format it as a direct quote, then "refers back" needs to stay. I look forward to the results of your research.CorinneSD (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Murder of Lesley Molseed
If you're in the mood, and it might need quite a lot of reading, could you give your opinion on my last edit here? Essentially a matter of changing innocent to guilty. Rothorpe (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I read the whole article. Quite interesting.  I started editing as soon as I started reading – can't help it.  I made quite a few minor edits throughout the article.  Then I looked at your edits.  They are fine, including the last one in which you changed "evidence against" to "evidence in favour of" – of course that's correct; good edit!  We differed in only two places:


 * 1) Line 12 - where you had added a comma after Lord Chief Justice and I had deleted the comma (remember, before I had seen your edit); I still prefer no comma there, and


 * 2) Line 46, in the section on Castree near the end of the article - in the wording of the wordy and complicated sentence regarding the changed testimony of the three teenage girls.


 * After you look at the edits I made, we can discuss the two on which we differ.


 * I have a question: I would like to be able to jump to an edit down the list of edits in the Revision History and see the "before" and "after" of the edit, but I don't know how to do that.  I always have to start at the most recent edit and go back, one by one, until I get to it.  Maybe you told me once, but I have forgotten.CorinneSD (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * My edit summary should read 'you DON'T like the comma'; anyway, hope we can agree on that now. I put the comma in because with 'later' it was rather tautological. Now both are gone. Rothorpe (talk) 00:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I just use the comma in certain places. I've often added a comma in my editing.  I just don't like unnecessary commas.  But I guess one can disagree about what is necessary.


 * By the way, I notice you give the line numbers. Does that mean you know a quick way to find Line 46 without referring to the text itself? Rothorpe (talk) 00:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)---I can't find the bit you're referring to anyway, sorry.
 * No, I don't, but I wish there were a way. It would help editors immensely.  However, I know that Line 12, for instance, is very near the beginning of the article, while Line 358, for instance, is way down in the article.  Also, in addition to that, when looking for the location of an edit in the article, I look at the first few words of the paragraph in which the edit was made (as seen in the Edit History/"after" version).  Then I scan the first few words of the paragraphs near where it should be, based on what the line number tells me (early in article, middle, toward the end, etc.) (and the section, if it is given) to find the right paragraph.


 * On your final point, have you tried clicking in the holes for the two revisions you want to compare and clcking on the 'Compare selected revisions' button? Rothorpe (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought I had tried that. I'll try again.


 * And thanks for confirming the original error which had stood for ages, proving that people often don't bother with the essentials when they can get stuck into the details! Rothorpe (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have found the bit about the girls now... Rothorpe (talk) 01:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem there: you've just improved it further. Rothorpe (talk) 01:21, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. Thank you for all your replies.  The article read like a mystery, and I love a good mystery. CorinneSD (talk) 18:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Archive Search Box
Fayanetic London - Thank you for your message. I couldn't figure out where the message was. I only saw it in my notifications, then in the Edit Summary. But it looks like you set it up for me. Thank you! I will look at it and see if I can figure out how to add topics to the list on the left -- or is that done automatically? Thank you, again.CorinneSD (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Template:Archives explains the options. Entries in the list should appear automatically provided you name the sub-pages as /Archive 1, /Archive 2 etc. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank-you!CorinneSD (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Editing help
I saw a recent edit in the article Lenition in which an editor changed the single British quotes to the double American quotes on quite a few words. I thought I had read somewhere that if an article was written primarily in one style, it should stay that way. Now, I cannot find it. I can't even find the information with the guidelines for editing. Should I just ignore that change, or revert, or just direct the editor to the place in the editing guidelines regarding Amer./Brit. style?CorinneSD (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Corinne, WP:MOS is the Manual of Style. MOS:PUNCT should take you straight to the relevant section. Kind regards – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I read a lot of the MOS regarding punctuation. Apparently, the use of double quotation marks is preferred for a quotation (with single quotation marks used within the double ones) (which is all right with me).  The point was made that, even if an article generally follows American style, if the source of the quote is British, the punctuation should remain as it was in the original source, and vice versa.  I couldn't find, though, something specific about which quotation marks are preferred when indicating emphasis on individual words (besides the alternative, italics).  But that's O.K.  I use double quotation marks around words for emphasis myself.  I just wondered whether they were preferred by WP. CorinneSD (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Converting miles to kilometers and vice versa
I want to make the pairs of distance measurements in the article on Vanuatu consistent; it appears that most are kilometers first, then miles, but some are miles first, then kilometers. I see in edit mode what to put in order to convert kilometers to miles, but what do I put when I want to put kilometers first, miles second, but only have the miles figure? I did a search in WP:MOS but could not find the right place. Thank you.CorinneSD (talk) 17:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Try 50 miles, producing50 miles. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  19:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you!CorinneSD (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have another question on a similar issue. In the article conus (cone snails), the section "Description", I added the "convert" formula so that the size in inches will appear after the size in centimeters.  It came out all right, but I wonder whether it is possible to get it so that it says only "cm." instead of "centimetres" and "in." instead of "in"?CorinneSD (talk) 23:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the convert template has an abbreviation parameter that can be used to enforce abbreviations. See this example or the template documentation. It does not add periods to the abbreviations, but I don't think that would be a common style. Huon (talk) 23:35, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank-you! I see how you did that in the article.CorinneSD (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Need help converting km to mi
In spite of the help I just received in the previous section on my Talk page, I am having trouble converting square kilometers to square miles in the first sentence of the section "Geological history" in the article on Karoo. What is the right formula? Thanks in advance.CorinneSD (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ using 400000 sqkm . -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  16:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank-you! I had done everything the same except I had put km2 and mi2, which I had thought I had seen before.CorinneSD (talk) 17:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Bamboo
In the section on "Textiles" in the article on Bamboo, I put in the formula to convert "3 mm" to inches. It came out all right, yielding "0.12 in". However, to an American, 0.12 inch does not make much sense. I figured that .25 inch is 1/4 inch, and .125 inch is 1/8 of an inch. I wonder if it would make sense to depart from the strict conversion formula in this case and write "...less than 3 mm (less than 1/8 inch)"? All American readers would understand that.

If you think it is a good idea, is there a formula I could use in this and other similar situations? – CorinneSD (talk) 00:39, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no requirement to use the template instead of manually converting lengths. The exact formula is 1 in = 2.54 cm. That said, decimal fractions of inches seem to be in common use in some contexts, for example for gun calibers. Thus I would expect Americans are more familiar with terms such as "0.12 in" than you give them credit for. Huon (talk) 01:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. For length measurements such as fractions of an inch and fractions of a mile, and weight measurements, especially for food items, Americans generally use fractions such as 1/4 (a quarter inch, a quarter of a mile), 1/3, 1/2 (half a mile, half a pound), and 3/4.  Only people who use mathematics on a regular basis would be comfortable with decimal fractions such as 0.12 inches.  I will put fractions in manually when they seem appropriate.CorinneSD (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Converting pounds to ounces and kilograms to grams
In the "Description" section of the article on Zante currants, there are some measurements that are inconsistent. I want to make them all consistent in pounds (or ounces) first, kilograms (or grams) second. I notice that some of the pound weights are less than a pound. I thought ounces would make more sense. Is there a formula for converting pounds to ounces or for converting kilograms to grams?CorinneSD (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * An ounce is a sixteenth of a pound. The most commonly used non-SI pound is exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. A kilogram is 1,000 grams. Huon (talk) 19:42, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Ooops, I seem to have misunderstood you. Sorry for the less-than-helpful formulas, but you seem to have figured out yourself how to make the convert template convert grams into ounces. Huon (talk) 22:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. Thank you.CorinneSD (talk) 00:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Pánfilo de Narváez
Today I made an edit to the article on Pánfilo de Narváez undoing an edit that added some details (including "losing an eye") to the very beginning of the lead in this article. I thought the details were rather minor and would be better left to articles about the two expeditions. At the time, I didn't know whether there were separate articles for each of the two expeditions, but I thought there probably were. My edit was undone, and then I reverted again (something I had never done before), after I had seen some of those details in the body of the article. After seeing my edit undone, and a comment by the editor on the Talk page, though I still disagreed, I made no further comment.

Then, later, the editor added quite a bit more information to the lead and made a few other edits. The editor seems to know something about the topic, and I think generally it is fine to add information to an article, but, apart from the fact that the added material needs some editing for syntax, word usage, punctuation, etc., I feel that the lead (which the editor calls a summary) is now too long relative to the rest of the article, which is rather short. I may not know what a lead should look like, but it seems to me that some of the information just added ought to go in the body of the article.

I don't want to get into an argument with this editor who seems to be pretty sure of himself/herself. My area of interest is in good writing, and I have spent my time on WP editing to improve the writing of articles. What do you think?CorinneSD (talk) 21:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm seeing a red link. Do you have a correct link for that article? Coretheapple (talk) 21:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The link is Pánfilo de Narváez. You are all very welcome to edit my prose for syntax and grammar and punctuation, but it is incorrect that the lead is too long. If you read WP:LEAD or indeed look at high quality biographical articles of the same length you will notice that Leads are generally several paragrapgs long and give a ful summary of the content in the article. The correct solution to the problem you perceive would be to expand the body of the article with additional information from reliable sources.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Maunus, I will leave it to others to decide whether the lead is too long and detailed or not. I just want to say that when I made my first edit undoing your edit, you had added two details that were not placed in context; you added the context later.  (I still think the fact of losing an eye is not important enough to be at the beginning of an article on an early explorer of the Americas, but that's my opinion.)  Secondly, after reading the material you have added, I would like to suggest that you work on text you intend to add to an article first.  The quality of your writing leaves a lot to be desired; it is full of all kinds of mistakes.  When you add text like that, you are doing half the work; you are leaving it to others to correct the mistakes and bring the article to the level it should be on WP.CorinneSD (talk) 00:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what makes this a collaborative encyclopedia. I am good at researching and adding well sourced factual content, and following wikipolicies about article structure and content. I leave it to others to work on the quality of the prose. Go ahead and improve the quality to make it up to your standards. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Corinne, I just read the article (sorry it took me so long), but I have to agree that there is far too much detail in the lead section. It violates summary style. I'd say the article has to be rewritten, with a summary lead and then the detail now in the lead transferred to a section called "expeditions" or something like that. Coretheapple (talk) 13:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

We may want to move this conversation to the article discussion space. Coretheapple (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Your points
As you can see, I'm back. When I get a moment for the required concentration... Rothorpe (talk) 17:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Why the revert?
Why did you do this??? –  Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 23:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Btw, thank you for this edit. I was debating whether or not to revert that, so thank you for taking action! –  Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 01:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank-you. I couldn't figure out how to revert Moonraker's edits without reverting your (correct) edit, so I worked backward from yours.  Sorry.  That's the first time I have reverted a whole bunch of edits at once.  I had left a message on M's Talk page (did you see it?), hoping for a dialogue, but since I received no reply, I couldn't stand it anymore and reverted all of them.  (I had worked for quite a while on the entire article about three weeks ago, leaving it in what I thought was good shape.)  But a few of M's edits were all right, so, after I reverted (undid), I made a few individual edits generally reflecting the few of his/her edits which were all right.  If you disagree with any of my edits, please let me know.  By the way, I just looked at your Talk page (forgetting for a moment that I should reply on my Talk page), and I just want to say that I love your Talk page!  (Why split the infinitive under the pigeons?  Sigh...the poor infinitive is getting split more these days, but I'm old-fashioned and like the infinitive un-split...). Also by the way, I've seen several of your excellent edits.CorinneSD (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you back! I did see your post on Moonraker's talk page.  Some editors need a little more time than others to respond.  We're all volunteers and sometimes have little time to spare.  Many of Moonraker's edits were either harmless-but-unnecessary, or they actually weakened the text, especially the -ing verbs.  At first I did a double take when I saw your revert, "Paine" → "Pain", because I thought I had messed up, since many spell Thomas' father's name "Pain" to keep him distinct from Thomas.  But the text was about Thomas, so I had to scratch my head.  Thank you for bringing the SI to my attention.  I guess Star Trek spoiled a lot of us with "to boldly go".  I fixed it.  Thank you again for your blushworthy comments about my talk page! –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 02:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * PS. There is one more thing – I saw that you changed The Age of Reason from a book to a pamphlet. So I checked into it to find that its article also calls it a pamphlet.  I have opened a discussion on its talk page in case you would like to weigh in.  To go boldly – isn't that what it's all about?     Joys! –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 02:18, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I grew up with Star Trek, too, and only later did I realize it was a split infinitive. Or boldly to go.  Doesn't have the same ring, does it?  The only reason I changed "a book" to "a pamphlet" is because the article in the link said it was a pamphlet.  I have no idea whether it was a book or a pamphlet.CorinneSD (talk) 16:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, either, which is why I opened the discussion on the article's talk page. The lineup goes:
 * Common Sense = 56 pages
 * The Age of Reason = 220 pages
 * The Rights of Man = 256 pages
 * So TAoR has 164 pages more than CS and has 36 fewer pages than TRoM. This leaves it as either a smaller book form or a rather bulky pamphlet.  I think it's a book; what do you think? –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 23:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting figures! Just going by the number of pages, it seems that "The Age of Reason" and "The Rights of Man" are both books.  However, it is possible that they (or at least "The Age of Reason") were called pamphlets for other reasons -- perhaps the appearance, perhaps the way they were sold.  I wonder if there is somewhere else we can look to find out what scholars call them.CorinneSD (talk) 22:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

George Zimmerman
Is the punctuation of the last paragraph correct? Rothorpe (talk) 03:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I suppose it is not incorrect, but I don't like it. I don't like the use of semi-colons for single words or short phrases.  I would say,


 * "....., a felony, ..........., ............., and ............" or


 * "....., a felony, and .........., .........., and ............", or


 * "....., a felony, as well as .........., .........., and ...........".

– CorinneSD (talk) 16:18, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you'd like to choose: I don't feel at home with AmE legal terms. Rothorpe (talk) 16:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I decided to use an en-dash (there was a hyphen there), plus "as well as", and I see now that there were only two items after that, not three. By the way, each state has different terms for these types of crimes.CorinneSD (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Right, many thanks. I couldn't have done it. Rothorpe (talk) 01:09, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Paine
Thank you for your note. You did not wait very long for a reply!

There is of course a balance to be struck between good English and conciseness. If conciseness is always put first, we can end up with prose which sounds like people talking in a bar.
 * I think you added words that were unnecessary, making the article less concise.


 * Thank you for your courteous and thought-provoking replies. I'll give you an example of what I mean by an unnecessary word.  You added "encouraged and" before "participated" near the beginning of the article to describe what Paine did for the American Revolution.  To me, "participated" is enough at this point.  A good part of the article explains how he participated in it, making it obvious that he encouraged it.  Also, generally, I think we encourage a person, not a political movement.  If you still feel a word is necessary here, we could think of an alternative such as "instigated", or "actively participated", or "helped move along".  Any ideas?

Perhaps I am old fashioned, but at a good school I was quite often red-pencilled for using "he" or "she" to refer to a subject in a previous paragraph.
 * I think you unnecessarily changed "he" to "Paine" too many times. When there is no other single male person mentioned nearby, it is clear that "he" is "Paine".


 * I was taught the same thing, and generally agree with the rule. However, I think a lot of the paragraphs in this article (and, indeed, in many WP articles), are too short.  Perhaps people think it improves readability.  Thus, in a biographical article, short paragraphs necessitate using the last name over and over again, which I find annoying.  I thought that, when there is no ambiguity, using "he" would be all right.  I would go along with changing some "he's" back to "Paine" in places where the last use of "Paine" is far back.  What do you think?

Not an easy call, but clearly "debtors' prison" is an improvement on "debtor's prison"!
 * I do not think the word "the" is necessary before "debtors' prison".


 * I definitely do not think "the" was necessary before "debtors' prison", but you are probably right that "debtors' prison" is an improvement on "debtor's prison". Right now I don't have an on-line dictionary to check that, but, of course, logically the plural makes more sense.  I think part of my lack of certainty is because in the U.S. we have had no debtors' prisons, so it is not part of our usual vocabulary.  I've only read about it in literature, and it has been a while since I have read 17th & 18th century literature.

Neither is incorrect, but "British writer Edmund Burke" strikes me as very journalistic.
 * "British writer Edmund Burke" is correct. "The" is not necessary before "British writer".


 * Here, I think it may be a case of American vs. British English. "British writer Edmund Burke" sounds normal and correct to me in this place in the sentence.  I think if the article were focusing more on Edmund Burke, we would probably use "the".  But if you feel it should be there, go ahead and put it back.

I don't agree at all. I dislike "deeply involved" because it does not seem to me to mean anything in the context of a revolution. "Involvement" is a very nebulous concept.
 * Paine "became deeply involved" in the French Revolution is better than "Paine became a participant" for two reasons: 1) "became deeply involved in" is much more interesting than "became a participant in".  2) When there is a choice between using a verb (or verb form) and a noun, the verb (or verb form) is usually the better choice.  You could change "became a participant in" to "participated in", but that does not give any idea of the degree to which he participated, as the other phrase does.


 * Really. Hmm.  You think "participated" or "was a participant" conveys more information?  I thought "deeply involved" said it just right.  Perhaps "actively involved" would be better.  If you don't want to use "involved", can you suggest a better verb or verb phrase?

Two nations divided by a single language! Being "fired" sounds like journalistic purple prose to me, but I gather that to you "dismissal" has a different meaning. Do we not have a universal word for this?
 * "Firing", that is, "being fired", is American English. "Dismissal", meaning "firing", is British English.  To most American ears, "dismissal" means when a teacher dismisses his or her students at the end of class or at the end of the school day. It is true that Paine was born in England.  However, he was a major figure in the American War of Independence (or American Revolution), so I suggest the American "firing" or "fired" be used.


 * I think "was dismissed from his job" is all right. "Dismissal" carries the other connotation I mentioned.  There's always "was asked to leave" or, as Paine Ellsworth suggested jokingly, "canned" (which is very colloquial in the US but not appropriate for the article).  But do you want to use "was dismissed from his job" in both places?  What do you think?


 * I went ahead and changed "fired" to "dismissed" (twice) and "firings" to "dismissals". I wonder what was meant by "corporate colonists".  Moonraker had changed it to "colonial corporations", I believe, and I had changed it back, but I wonder whether it really means "colonial corporations".  I don't even think there were any corporations in colonial America.  Does anybody have access to the source mentioned just after this:
 * " It was reported that his oppressors in the English corrupted monarchy, judiciary, banks, and corporate colonists were directly responsible for these dismissals, terminations, retaliations, business sabotages, and threats to throw him into debtor's prison." (Oops; got to change "debtor's" to "debtors'"; will do it now.)  CorinneSD (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Blessings, Moonraker (talk) 03:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I look forward to hearing from you. By the way, do you see the message below this about the link to Alford?  I had tried to put in the link that you had added, but I guess I didn't do it correctly.  Do you feel like fixing it? Thank you. CorinneSD (talk) 16:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * "Canned" always worked for me.   –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 05:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I hadn't thought of that. You know you are welcome to weigh in on the discussion.CorinneSD (talk) 16:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * 'Canned' sounds very American and colloquial to me. But 'sacked' is perhaps too British. Rothorpe (talk) 16:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, CorinneSD – yes, I was kidding about "canned". The only others I can think of are "discharged", "let go" and "handed a pink slip".  The two top contenders are probably "dismissed" and "fired".  I find both equally viable, although since this took place in England, that might give "dismissed" a wee bit more weight. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 23:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * See my note above regarding "dismissed".CorinneSD (talk) 00:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I changed "debtor's prison" to "debtors' prison", but as I made the edit, I realized that I had seen "debtor's prison" many times and "debtors' prison" hardly ever. I decided to do a search on the internet (not just WP), and I found many results with "debtor's prison" and only one or two with "debtors' prison". Now I am completely puzzled.CorinneSD (talk) 00:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * "Debtor's prison", no contest. Also, "debtors prison" would work, perhaps even better.  What you are up against is that as some readers go through the article, no matter what form they see, they will change it to whatever form they think it should be. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 14:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank-you. I thought it was right to begin with, but doubt entered my mind when I read Moonraker's comment (with a link!), second bulleted item above (all points copied from comments I had left on Moonraker's Talk page), Moonraker's comments below each item.  Moonraker's replies were thoughtful, well-written, and in some cases persuasive, so I thought perhaps I had been wrong.CorinneSD (talk) 15:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Creating next Archive
I want to create my Archive 2, but I have forgotten how to do it. I understand I have to create a new page called "Usertalk:CorinneSD/Archive 2", but I don't know how to create a new page.CorinneSD (talk) 00:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd say the easiest way is to create a red link to User talk:CorinneSD/Archive 2 and follow that. Alternatively you could type the title (including the "User talk:" prefix) into the search bar and follow the link above the search results: You may create the page "User talk:CorinneSD/Archive 2"... Huon (talk) 03:30, 23 November 2013


 * I tried the first method, but didn't know what to do after I had created the red link. So I followed the steps in the second method with more success.  Thank you.CorinneSD (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)