User talk:Corrections mmmm

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (February 29)
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microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 13:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello MicrobiologyMarcus!
 * Thank you for checking my draft of the article. Could you please specify how should I edit the article to get it posted?
 * I had tried to base this article on a different one on the similar subject which is a personnel list of a discovery expedition - Personnel of Franklin's lost expedition
 * When the article will be on-air I also wanted to attach it to - First voyage of James Cook. Similar to Personnel article attached to this one - Franklin's lost expedition.
 * Looking forward to better my skills here:) Corrections mmmm (talk) 14:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

The subject of your draft
Hi, I've placed your draft at Draft:List of crew members for the first voyage of James Cook based on its contents but let me know if you think that is not the appropriate title for the article. I'm trying to understand if your article is attempting to be a list, and must therefore meet the standards for notability of lists, per WP:NLIST. microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 15:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I notice above that you were trying to respond to me. Just a heads up, for pages that are not a part of a user's userspace (i.e.: your user talk page from my perspective), users are not typically (unless watchlisted, see WP:Watchlist) notified of changes. To get someones attention, you can use the template ping with their username and it will alert them, so long as your message is also signed with four tilde's at the end (i.e.: ). To do this, start your replies with  .  microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 15:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi
 * Thank you for the draft's title, it's appropriate:)
 * I do believe that this article can be notable as a list. It allows readers to get deeper understanding of crew's role onboard of the ship, how many people carrying different tasks have went on the voyage, ie. able seamen, naturalists, petty officers. Additionally in the future I would like to develop the similar lists for two more of James Cook's expeditions, which will allow to check how many crew members had stayed in Cook's crew, even when he commanded different vessels. I also wanted to a bit democratise the concept of discovery voyages and show not only officers and well known figures that took part, but also regular seamen, petty officers and people in lower classes of social hierarchy.
 * ~ Corrections mmmm (talk) 16:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, okay, I've taken a better look at your article and now understand the scope. I've a couple comments before accepting but overall great article. I'll leave the submission as marked under review so that when you're done, you can ping me again here for a quick review.
 * First off, great first article. You dove head first in the minutia and details of wiki markup that will trip up experienced editors.
 * You copied (I assume) the style of citation for "Rigby & van der Merwe 2002, p. 30." from First voyage of James Cook which is fine (no one types out full lengths of intricate strings) but you left the url in the ref pointing to that page. I've changed it (see the comparison at Special:Diff/1211061476) by using a template to cite to the source, then adding another bibliographical section at the bottom, with that book source on the page. The result now is that if anyone clicks on the inline citation on your article, they stay at your article. You'll want to keep this in mind as you continue to draft articles that may use offline sources.
 * Second, and I've again made this change but this is more editorial so feel free to disagree with the resulting layout, but you had extraneous text in the  tags that I've converted to a footnote using another template. You can see now on the page how that appears. In general, it's best to only use the ref tags for the reference themselves and not add your own content.
 * Something else I've done is combined the same reference you used twice by naming it, see Special:Diff/1211064975. You can look at User:GorillaWarfare/Namedrefs for a more detailed explanation.
 * If you really wanted to get into the weeds with markup, you could consider combing rows in columns that contain the same text, you can see examples of this at.
 * As far as problems with the article before it can be accepted, I'm just looking for another source where the group of people is discussed as a whole. This is the last requirement to ensure it passes WP:NLIST, that One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. Do you have a source on hand that can be added that discusses the group? Note that the digital.sl.nsw.gov.au citation is a primary source and not eligible to establish notability. You've got one from captaincooksociety.com so a second will do it for notability.
 * From an editorial standpoint, I notice that a lot of deaths or other dates in the notes are similar. Were there big events that happened on those dates that effected a lot of the crew? That could be added to the article to improve the context.
 * If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. Again, great job thus far on your first article. microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 17:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello
 * Thank you for all the corrections and tips for the future articles! And for appreciating my first work:)
 * I had added the main reason for high mortality peak between December 1770 and February 1771, together with a source showing that the group had been discussed before as a whole - https://www.nla.gov.au/collections/guide-selected-collections/james-cook-and-his-voyages#:~:text=In%20Batavia%20and%20on%20the,reached%20England%20in%20July%201771.
 * Please let me know if I can add anything more and once again thank you for your help and being open and encouraging me to write more!
 * ~ Corrections mmmm (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Great job on the article! microbiology Marcus [petri dish·growths] 16:50, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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