User talk:Corsair567

2cp
Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! While I tend to think this change is a good idea, it might be worth discussing it to make sure it has consensus before rolling it out quite so comprehensively, since I can see potential issues. (WT:AUP would be a good place.) It's also possible a bot might be commandeered to do all the donkey work. Either way, would you mind marking your edits as minor? (It's the little tick box below the edit summary.) Those of us with substantial electoral watchlists are getting flooded a little and it would be nice to be able to filter out all the non-controversial stuff. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. Frickeg (talk) 14:33, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi


 * Potential issues with the change can be handled on an ad-hoc basis. (The one potential issue that comes to mind is what to do with pre-war results.)


 * Most of the election boxes were wrong: they were 2PP contests being described as "two-candidate preferred". Someone thought it was a good idea to put "two candidate preferred" in a template called "Election box 2pp", and everyone copied it.


 * Any further discussion can take place here. Corsair567 (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, not quite. In the past a distinction has been maintained between two-party-preferred (that is, Labor vs Coalition) and two-candidate-preferred (where Independents/minor parties are involved), so that in the latter case both can be listed since both are counted. It's not a distinction I find terribly helpful, but I'm just pointing out that it's potentially controversial and so requires consensus. I would still like this discussed at WT:AUP to give it wider coverage. (Pre-war results should not be a problem since the template should not be used before preferential voting came into effect.) Frickeg (talk) 15:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am well aware of the difference. The pre-war results I was unsure about changing were results like Werriwa in the 1930s, where you have Lang Labor candidates against Coalition candidates. As for seats with 2PP and 2CP results, I don't see why having both should be a problem. Feel free to raise the issue at AUP; my experience as an anon is that discussion is unhelpful and goes nowhere. Corsair567 (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The entries in Category:Queensland state electoral results by district still need to be done. Corsair567 (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I put a notice there; a couple of people may want to suggest something. In the meantime, I had misunderstood and thought you were changing everything to 2CP! Apologies; I should check more thoroughly next time. I think this should be fairly uncontroversial. Frickeg (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Just putting in my 2c that whereever there are differing 2PP and 2CP figures available from WP:RS, there is no case to put forth as to why we shouldn't include them. If there is a 2CP contest, and a 2PP figure is also available, we should include it, no ifs ands or buts. As for the changes made so far, they haven't been implemented correctly but I wholeheartedly support cleaning up the issue and a clear 2cp and 2pp template. Timeshift (talk) 23:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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