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Help please
Hello Cowdy001,

Thanks for your work on nature reserves such as Desert Camp Conservation Park and Wanilla Conservation Park (and others) which are useful for the plant articles I have written. I have done my first nature reserve (Deep Lead Nature Conservation Reserve) using yours as a template to link from Prasophyllum stygium but I struggled with the infobox and categories for the article. Any help from you to expand or clean them up would be greatly appreciated. Gderrin (talk) 01:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's better! Thanks for that. Gderrin (talk) 02:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I will do some more editing and add a commentary for you to read. Cowdy001 (talk) 02:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gderrin, your article looks OK to me – I have added a few things as follows: Secondly, I have the following comments re the article’s subject:
 * 1) I created a Talk page which links to the two relevant projects as well as including a request for an image.
 * 2) Infobox – I have added the IUCN category which can be found by downloading the file 'protected areas under all forms of ownership excluding some protected areas on private land (in Victoria)' from CAPAD 2016. By the way, while CAPAD is a useful source, I have noticed that its content is dependent on what information has been given by state agencies to the Commonwealth department.  In other words, it is wise to look at state listings of protected areas to see what it currently protected.
 * 3) Opening paragraph – it is a good idea to state the relationship of the protected area to the locality
 * 4) IUCN category – I have added mention of the IUCN category within the body of the article.
 * 5) I have added the ‘External links’ heading and two links – the ‘Protected Planet’ link is only recommended as a link and not as a citation because it is ultimately sourced from CAPAD and its content may not reflect the current status of the protected area. I think it is a useful link because it shows the reader what the reserve looks like.
 * 6) I have created "Category:Nature Conservation Reserves of Victoria (Australia)" which is a sub-category of "Category:Protected areas of Victoria (Australia)". I have searched and found eight articles and redirects which I have added to this category - all of these were sourced from "Category:Nature reserves in Victoria (Australia)".  I also added the category for the Victorian region in which the reserve is located.
 * 1) the content of your second paragraph is what I would describe as being ‘Prior use of the land’ – it would be good to reduce this to the minimum as it technically 'off=topic'. Conversely, it would be good to have some more content about the history about the reserve (i.e. from 1982 onwards) if possible.  Also, a quick look at the Victorian Heritage Database suggests that there may be some heritage-listed places associated with the reserve.
 * 2) Two sources suggest the land tenure arrangements to be relatively complex. i.e. there appears to be as many as four separate protected areas.

Regards Cowdy001 (talk)


 * That's terrific. Thank you. (I have been following the progress of your work on this.) I have noted your comments above about content. I hope you will not mind if I do not change anything at the moment - I'm fully occupied with orchid articles. Your changes to the present article have contributed to its value and to that of Prasophyllum stygium (a newly described, endangered species which is only found in this reserve). All the best to you too. Gderrin (talk) 05:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

OSM
I'd not come across OpenStreetMaps until 15 minutes ago, and have had a little experiment at Adelaide Arcade, and thought to spread the joy, just in case I wasn't the last to find out. Doug butler (talk) 21:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this information; I check out OSM in more detail in the near future. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 02:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Latest use at Kent Town Brewery; Template:OSM Location map is very helpful

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for correction. at one point there seemed to be a lot of SA and NSW arts and cats with nothing about state on talk page tag :( JarrahTree 11:47, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Welbourne Hill Station
Howdy, Nice work on all the station articles you've contributed to. The area you've quoted for Welbourne Hill is way off, currently it is 33x bigger than South Australia. I couldn't find any mention of the size in the references listed so can't fix it up myself. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 08:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for pointing this out - the area is cited on the Nature Maps website. The cited area look like it was in hectares; it is probably in square metres which means the area is 3,395 square kilometres. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Central Australia Railway
Just a quick thanks for updating the page and route box — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skillsy (talk • contribs) 11:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

probably better with

 * Unincorporated_area - just my idea anyways - cheers JarrahTree 06:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * the redirect is a short term measure as I am interested in doing an article about the Unincorporated areas of South Australia because there is a total of five unincorporated areas in SA, i.e. PUA, Whyalla, Torrens Island/Garden Island, Lake Albert and Coastal Waters. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 06:18, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * impressive - please ignore me then - best of luck, I got completely flummoxed by the far north the other day, couldnt believe it starts so low to the south :( - cheers JarrahTree 06:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The 'Far North' region is the part of the state north of the areas where local government exists (i.e known as the 'settled areas') and where there is virtually no population (i.e. about 5000).  Presumably it is called the 'Far North'  because it is far away from the seat of the state government in the Adelaide city centre. I think the name was used (circa 1920s) for the area informally known as the Mid North. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 06:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, my response a few days to a station/pastoral lease that is at the most southern of the strange 'far north' thing, it seemed so close to adelaide, I did a double take... Thanks for your explanation, appreciated. JarrahTree 13:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * When I was working for the ABS (more than 25 years ago!) there was a Statistical Division called "Yorke Peninsula and Lower North" (e.g. see this website, which I created using their classification many years ago, but which I haven't updated for a long time). In fact, while I was at the ABS, I had to compile the 1988 edition of the work cited on that page, so I had it in mind when I was creating the website. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Island, locality, languages, wikidata
I think you are the go-to guy for the intersection of the topics above. My issue is Mundoo Island, South Australia, a gazetted locality which has no foreign links and is linked to Q48815825 which has no other statements. There is a redirect Mundoo Island which is categorised as an island and with possibilities. There's another Wikidata item Q21886850 which is an instance of both island and locality, and has two bot-generated foreign pages, both of which are about the island, not the locality, as far as I can tell with Google Translate. I think I read somewhere that wikipedia redirects should not be linked from WIkidata, but I' not sure I did, so will defer to someone with better experience. I think I'd be inclined to separate the island and locality wikidata items, then link them somehow (like dams (walls) and reservoirs (lakes) are different but linked). Thanks, --Scott Davis Talk 13:51, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I created the redirect to prevent any possibility of the article for the locality being renamed as ‘Mundoo Island' and to create a place for an article about the island.   Secondly, I do have a draft for the article about the island for which some more information is required.  When this is finished, I will replace the Redirect and do some upgrades to the article about the locality.  Thirdly, I agree with the separation in wikidata because both are different entities which only have two main things in common – they have the same name and they share the same location.  Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 10:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Rebreather Training Council
Hi Cowdy, I started a draft for RTC at Draft:Rebreather Training Council. If you have any good refs to support general notability, please add them there or let me know some other way. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I have also recently created Outline of underwater diving. You might want to take a look and see if I have missed anything important, or you may have some ideas for general improvement. Cheers,&middot; &middot; &middot; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Torrens Island
Hi Cowdy001, there's another bit of Torrens Island which isn't part of the Conservation Park - it's the land owned by Origin Energy, for their Quarantine Power Station. There's currently a development application for a proposed expansion of the QPS (on Allotments 112 and 302) - the opportunity for public comment closed on 17 March 2018, so the development application PDF is no longer listed on the State Planning Commission website, although I have a copy. Having put in my own submission to the SCAP re the application, that's part of my CoI, so I won't edit the article. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Bahudhara, Thanks for pointing out the omission - I have added this to both Torrens Island and Torrens Island Conservation Park articles. Is this the development application that you mentioned above -APPLICATION ON NOTIFICATION – CROWN DEVELOPMENT?  I was also going to ask you if there are better photos of the land within the conservation park?  Those available on Wikimedia Commons are not satisfactory.  I would like some images of the mangrove forest on the east side and the vegetation on the west side.   Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 22:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have hundreds of photos taken at TIQS and in the TICP, but no time at the moment to select and upload - perhaps in the next week or so. User:Danimations recently snorkelled and took photos around the piles of the historic TIQS jetty, and will be doing so again tomorrow. (This area is likely to be impacted by dredging for the other Origin Energy proposal, Project LISA, for mooring a barge for LPG storage.) Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 01:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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WikiProject Protected areas
Hi Cowdy, Sorry I didn't see you reverted that edit on Category:Historical reserves of the Northern Territory or I would have let it be. The reason I changed it is because WikiProject Protected areas and Category:Protected areas are for environmentally protected areas while Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites amd Category:Historic preservation cover historically protected areas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.206.230 (talk) 04:18, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Caladenia argocalla
Hello Cowdy001,

Can you explain the reason for the link from Caladenia argocalla to Spring Gully Conservation Park? Seems a bit pointless when neither is mentioned in the other's article. (I appreciate C. argocalla may occur in the Park but it also occurs elsewhere.) Gderrin (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It is now mentioned in Spring Gully Conservation Park; also please refer Recovery Plan for Twelve Threatened Orchids in the Lofty Block Region of South Australia 2010. Also, please refer to Manual of Style/Layout as this explains the use of "See also". Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 00:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC) ✅ Much better. Thanks. Gderrin (talk) 01:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be pedantic. Whilst it is true that C. argocalla is mentioned in the references you cite, there is no mention I can find to Spring Gully. In fact, this reference includes - "The species no longer occurs south of Adelaide, where it has not been recorded since 1918". The orchid article states "It is only known from thirteen subpopulations in the hills north of Adelaide." I presume the Conservation Park is well south of Adelaide? I suggest the "See also" link needs to be removed. Gderrin (talk) 01:56, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Spring Gully Conservation Park is located to the north of Adelaide. Please go to the article and look at the map in the infobox, assuming you know where Adelaide is.  If this advice does not satisfy you, there is a coordinate at the top of page which you can click -this action will take you to a page which a choice of mapping apps is available.  Please select one of these apps to open a map and zoom out to see the relation of the conservation park to the state capital.   In respect to the recovery plan, I found the following mention of the conservation park:

If the above link does not work, the "recovery plan" plan can be reached from the page for Caladenia argocalla on the Cth Department of Environment and Energy website. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Page 8 - "Friends of Spring Gully Conservation Park" - please refer Friends of Parks if you wish to know more about the use of volunteers by the Department for Environment and Water (South Australia).
 * 2) Page 32 - there is a picture taken in Spring Gully Conservation Park on this page.
 * 3) Page 34 - there are three mentions of Spring Gully Conservation Park in table 9.
 * 4) Page 146 - "Friends of Spring Gully Conservation Park " is included in the list of recovery teams.


 * Yep - my bad. Sorry. I had Adelaide where Port Augusta actually is! (Give me a break - I haven't been there since 1969.) I hope you will not mind if I add page nos. to the DEE ref. - so that dummies like me can find Caladenia argocalla. (⌘F doesn't seem to work for me on this doc.) Gderrin (talk) 05:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I already put the most useful pages (32 & 34) in the citation when I created it! Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 06:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Links removed from citations in both articles to eliminate a problem created by the National Library of Australia. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:17, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

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Southern Boundary of Lefevre Peninsula
Hi Cowdy001 Sorry I am a novice with Wikipedia so my apologies if I am doing this wrong. I have had a query re the southern boundary of Lefevre Peninsula which I think you have recorded as being Recreation Road as the your edit dates are the same as the No 1 reference date. A person has told me they believe the boundary is Bower Road and asked me to change it. The no 1 reference link that was provided which references the boundaries takes me to Property Location browser but not to the specific information itself. I am not sure how to access document number SAD039060. When I search for Lefevre Peninsula on Property Location Browser it shows a map of Lefevre Peninsula with the boundary as Bower road? Could you please provide me more information? Kind Regards Meredith Blundell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.134 (talk) 01:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Meredith,

"map of Lefevre Peninsula with the boundary as Bower road" is the extent of a "designated survey area"; this is one of the three entries under the name "Lefevre Peninsula", The other two are Subdivision and the Peninsula. If you type ithe words 'Lefevre Peninsula' in the search box, you should get three entries.

I have replaced citation citing the Property Location Browser website with one citing Location SA Map Viewer because the former has been upgraded by the state government with the result of that website being much more difficult to use. Please click the link in the new citation which open a tab with a map. Click on the green peg, then select 'What's here', then click 'Gazetter' and then 'Next' until you get to 'Lefevre Peninsula' where you need to scroll down until you get to the heading 'Other Details' where you can read the following text - ".G. Shaw-Lefevre was one of the South Australian Colonization Commissioners. The Surveyor-General has determined that the southern boundary of the topographical peninsula is approximately Recreation Road, Semaphore Park as an examination of old plans indicate that boats could have navigated the Port Adelaide River to approximately this point."

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 03:10, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

October 2018
Hello, I'm Zackmann08. Thank you for your recent contributions to Bungonia National Park. I noticed that when you added the image to the infobox, you added it as a thumbnail. In the future, please do not use thumbnails when adding images to an infobox (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE). What does this mean? Well in the infobox, when you specify the image you wish to use, instead of doing it like this:

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 * Hi Zackmann08, I advise that I did not add the image to the infobox on the Bungonia National Park. Please refer . I would suggest that you pass your advice onto the responsible editor.  Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I clicked the wrong username in the page history! Thanks. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)