User talk:CoxnKen

Material removed from article USCGC Point Brown (WPB-82362)
I have removed material posted by you as unreferenced and unecyclopedic in nature. This does not mean that it can't be used in the article; however, it does need some referencing and a more encyclopedic style of writing to be included in the article. The history of Point Brown from her decommissioning to the present is totally missing and it is a story that needs told to complete the history of the cutter. As a retired Coast Guardsman, I want to help if I can, contact me on my talk page, please, and I will do my best to help. Cuprum17 (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm not sure what you didn't like about my post, it was factual and not from any reference material, just personal experience. I've known Stew Sutherland (LCDR USCG-Ret), since 2001, shortly after he purchased her from the shipyard and moved her to the Tottenville Marina. I'm also an Auxiliarist and have over a thousand hours underway on the Lady B as well as hundreds of hours at dockside working on her from changing lightbulbs to currently rebuilding the port main engine, (the original Cummins 850hp 16 cylinder diesel, not a Caterpillar). Her history after decommissioning is a little shady as the College did virtually NO maintenance and the boat was ordered out of Sheepshead Bay for emergency repairs by the Coast Guard due to a leak in one of her main fuel tanks caused by the massive corrosion that occurred sometime after her zincs were gone. Before Stew could take possession, someone, probably the rather belligerent person who had been in charge of the boat, actually smashed up some of the equipment and running gear with a sledge hammer adding to the cost to get her sea worthy. That's her known history between the Coast Guard and Stew. Since then she's done hundreds of patrols in and around NY Harbor and she's one of the very few CG Auxiliary boats that can run 12 months, and we do. I've run patrols where we had to clear the decks of snow before getting underway. CoxnKen (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I explained why I removed your post. It wasn't that it wasn't informative or interesting. It was removed because it wasn't referenced as required by Wikipedia standards. Additionally, the style of writing is not encyclopedic and is and needs to be written in a more objective manner. As a retired Coast Guardsman on Wikipedia, I am constantly searching for material that puts the Coast Guard in it rightful place alongside the other armed services. It is frustrating at times to find material that covers a subject but is anecdotal in nature, and therefore, by Wikipedia rules can not be used. As a retired Chief Machinery Technician, I would give almost anything to be involved with the overhaul of the #2 MDE on the Lady B. I always enjoyed the hands on work more than the administrative end of being a Chief. I'm not saying that the story of the Lady B after she left the Coast Guard isn't supposed to be a part of the article; it just needs referencing. Perhaps the story was told in a CG Auxiliary magazine or publication or maybe a newspaper article? If so, I could use that as a reference and write in the details of the history of Lady B that need to be told to complete the article. I am not trying to be a hardass, but after articles get non-referenced content introduced, the quality of the article goes way down hill and the reliability starts to be questioned. I want the Coast Guard story told accurately, and so do you. Please pass along to Commander Sutherland and the rest of the Auxiliary crew of the Lady B my admiration for performing the Coast Guard Auxiliary mission with dedication. I am proud of your efforts. Once again, I will help with the writing of the article if you can provide the referencing. Cuprum17 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I'm not acquainted with the required writing style, but I can learn. As to having the history published, this would have been the first time that part of the history was written up. Unfortunately it's not published anywhere else. Would I be able to post an interview with Stew? Any other suggestions? By the way, if you want to come get your hands dirty you have an open invitation. We're planning on installing the last 6 pistons this weekend and over the next two weeks we'll prep the block, (mostly cleanup), torque all the rods, install the pushrods and install the rebuilt heads. Stew leaves for a cruise after that so we won't button her up until he gets back in February.CoxnKen (talk) 13:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No, an interview won't suffice. It wouldn't be available for other editors to check for accuracy. However, if a recognized newspaper or magazine were to publish the interview, it would then be available to other editors and the general readership of Wikipedia to reference. Another thought would be if the Lady B had a website, or she were mentioned in an Auxiliary website, we might be able to use some of that material. I will have to pass on lending a hand on the MDE rebuild, I'm 1500 milea away in Kansas. Cuprum17 (talk) 16:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I do have a facebook page for her, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Coast-Guard-Auxiliary-Cutter-Lady-B/219861624776130?ref=hl but I had referenced the wikipedia page for her history, that's why I added what I did. Did you happen to save what I wrote? I didn't expect it to go away. If you kept a copy I'd appreciate it if you could send it. I'll try to clean it up and post it on the FB page.CoxnKen (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A copy always exists under the history section of each page, which can be referenced here...Revision as of 14:39 27 November 2012 However, when I removed the material from the article, I posted the content in the talk page of the article, which is here...Talk:USCGC Point Brown (WPB-82362). You should be covered either way.

Nice Facebook wall for the Lady B...it would sure be nice to be underway once more. Hope this helps, and I'm sorry about the hassle. Stay safe, and if I can help in any way, please contact me on my talk page. MKC Edward W. Jones, USCGR (ret) Cuprum17 (talk) 20:15, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Chief! If you're coming to the NY area and want to get underway give me a shout. Stay Semper Paratus. CoxnKen (talk) 02:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)