User talk:Cplakidas/Archive 6

DYK for Vigla (tagma)
You may want to take a look here. --Factuarius (talk) 09:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Είναι αυτός γιατί μου έστειλε ένα υβριστικό και έξαλλο mail με user name το όνοματεπώνυμό του από το "ινστιτούτο" του μέσω της WP ώς Xenos. Ο Ελληνικός λαός δεν είναι τέλειος, κανένας λαός είναι. Όλοι έχουν τα πλεονεκτήματα και τα μειονεκτήματά τους. Το να απομονώνεις tα μειονεκτήματα κάποιων, να τα γενικεύεις και μετά να βρίζεις ολόκληρους λαούς είναι αρρωστημένο και προδίδει συμπλεγματικό υπόβαθρο ή ύποπτες προθέσεις. Δεν είναι η πρώτη φορά που ολόκληροι λαοί κατηγορούνται γιά λανθασμένες συμπεριφορές κάποιων. Το 1933 τέτοιου είδους λογικές φτάσανε μέχρι την εξουσία. Αλλά τελευταία βλέπω μιά παγκοσμιοποιημένη μεθόδευση ενοχοποίησης του παρελθόντος όλων των λαών με κάποιο ιστορικό υπόβαθρο, που συμπτωματικά πάει χέρι-χέρι με τη πίεση γιά παγκοσμιοποίηση και την επιβολή ανοχής έναντι του φαινόμενου της μαζικής λαθρομετανάστευσης (εξού και το ινστιτούτο στο οποίο (συν)προεδρέυει). Στους αμερικανούς για τους ινδιάνους, στους άγγλους γιά το αποικιοκρατικό παρελθόν τους, στους γάλλους για τον εθνικισμό τους, στους ισπανούς για το ..Μοντεζούμα, τους γερμανούς για το ναζισμό τους, και πάει λέγοντας. Φαίνεται ότι κάποιοι έχουν αποφασίσει ότι γιά να μας στείλουν στο νέο μέλλον πρέπει να μας κάνουν όλους να νρεπόμαστε γενικά γιά το παρελθόν. Η δική μου γνώμη είναι ότι αντί να μας λένε μαγκανίες, παλιές ιστορίες, και τρυφερές θεωρίες, να κάτσουν να μας εξηγήσουν με ειλικρίνεια γιατί είναι καλύτερο και γιά μας το μέλλον όπως το έχουν σχεδιάσει και να μας αφήσουν και μας να αποφασίσουμε εάν μας αρέσει και μας συμφέρει ή όχι (π.χ.θα μοιραστούμε τα οικονομικά οφέλη πού θα προκύψουν ή θα πάνε όλα στη τσέπη τους). Τα υπόλοιπα είναι αερολογίες βιαστικά προετοιμασμένων αγκιτατόρων της πεντάρας που με την ημιμάθιά τους και τις γελοίες γενικοποιήσεις τους εναγωνίως προσπαθούν να δικαιολογήσουν το μισθό τους κάνοντας φασαρία. Και μόνο σαν τέτοιες πιστεύω ότι πρέπει να αντιμετωπίζονται, γιατί μέχρι εκεί φτάνει το μιαλό τους. --Factuarius (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Helmets

 * I know i am sloppy, but modern bibliography refers to helmet as ".... type helmet" about 90% of the times so there wont be any confusion.Those articles should be named ".... type helmet".Megistias (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Check it out

 * Check it out, needs some order.Albanian nationalismMegistias (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi.please have a look in the 1st BW talk page, I've sent a msg for you there. Thanks, --Factuarius (talk) 14:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Κανένα πρόβλημα. Καλά έκανες. Καμμιά φορά με πιάνουν ανεπίτρεπτες κρίσεις χιούμορ. --Factuarius (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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vlachs in epirus (region)
hi do you think you could add something about the vlachs in pindus and how they migrated there? 87.202.43.218 (talk) 09:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Stop weaseling and removing material numbered user diff.Megistias (talk) 09:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Basketball in Greece
Yeah I guess you are right my English there is not so good. I will work on the article. Wiki Greek Basketball (talk) 08:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

These is a (very) minor dispute in Albanian Resistance of World War II's box. Your advice would be vital in the article's discussion page.Alexikoua (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

May I borrow you for a minute?
Hi, Konstantinos. I need a proficient Greek speaker to help me with a tidbit from an upcoming article. The subject is Romanian, but it features a transliteration of the expression παρηγοριά του κόσμου, without providing a standard translation. Using dictionaries etc., and with absolutely no prior knowledge of Greek, I'm assuming this means something like "caress of the world", "caress of the people", "tender touch of the universe" etc., but I humbly accept I may be entirely wrong on all counts. How would you say is best to translate it? (No rush, just please ping my talk page when you have the time to answer.) Thanks and regards, Dahn (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The article will be on Kir Ianulea a short story by Ion Luca Caragiale, whose main character is a devil passing himself off as a Greek or Arvanite, and visits Bucharest under the Phanariotes. The expression is used by the protagonist in reference to and addressing his wife - which is also why I'm thinking that it could perhaps be a less generic synonym of "consolation", if such a thing exists. Do you agree?
 * There are more Greek terms in the story, but they are trivial to the plot, and in some cases have become assimilated into urban Romanian (or, at least, I was already able to find some explanations for them). But παρηγοριά του κόσμου is transliterated verbatim into Romanian, and only has some sort of explanation in the text itself, with no other source. Since Caragiale tends to poke some fun at his characters and readers, I didn't really want to take that at face value :). Plus, there was a possible question of losing something in the translation from a Romanian rendition of a Greek sentence.
 * The story an interesting and relatively short read - you can find an English translation here (it will take some time to load, in case you want to check it out). In any case, I should be done with the article in a, say, a week or so, and I'd be honored if you also want to review the "finished product". Dahn (talk) 01:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, and yes, that makes sense. Thank you, you've been of great help. Dahn (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He's not still at it, is he? I find it very difficult to imagine that he will ever contribute something constructive (he can't even speak English...), but some of his minor edits are passable. With all the warnings and ample evidence of disruption, the moment he starts doing the same, the only recourse is AN/I, and it shouldn't take more than an hour to find a resolution. I must say that I get rather morose when I notice that the few Aromanian contributors this project gets are at the very least POV-pushers - the articles in question could use a lot of good faith, competence and literacy. Instead, they most often get inglorious crap pasted from advocacy sites, which are themselves ridiculously confused about what they mean to say and wish to achieve. Dahn (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * How did I miss that? (I'm actually not watchlisting those pages, just going through their history then and again.) I'll normally go with AN/I, but your message comes right after I've started an AN/I debate on an unrelated issue, and I don't think I for one can handle two in one go. Dahn (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strike that ^, I noticed the new thread. Good call. Dahn (talk) 15:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We've gotta start waiting a minute or so before posting our replies :). Anyway, I'll follow up on it. Dahn (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

If this is an insult, you may wish to report it. (I'm posting this because I don't know if you've watchlisted that talk page.) Dahn (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. I thought it was transliterated Greek. I have no idea what it means as a whole (Aromanian doesn't make much sense to me), but I looked some of it up and it seems to be about country and liberty and some other stuff. It's probably because he imagines you would find him speaking Aromanian insulting, since you are Greek, and, like all Greeks, you already hate him and have always hated his people. In fact, I'm sure you wish you could fine him for using the language, don't you?
 * Anyway, no biggie. Let this be the least of our concerns. Dahn (talk) 20:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The red link is filled, so if you're still interested in the article I'd welcome any comments or suggestions. Thank you again and looking forward to it, Dahn (talk) 23:18, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * And thank you for the copyedits: you were my second pair of eyes - these old ones are really starting to fail me. I also hope you enjoyed the read. Dahn (talk) 21:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

To answer to the letter of your question: with an actual Romanian literature having only emerged ca. 1800, one would have trouble finding something that's not modern ;).

To answer the spirit of your question: almost everything by Caragiale. Really: he is, to my mind, the greatest and one of the most culturally-relevant Romanian authors. He also has the great advantage of having determined the Romanians' tickle bone and Achilles' heal. If you read his stuff, you'll find the funniest, most elaborate and most intelligent jokes Romanians still make about themselves - stuff which addresses Romanian realities to this day. It's universal because it reaches that level of accomplishment, but it's strictly Romanian because it shows how ridiculous our specific affixed ideas can get, and because it tells stuff that we could never deny about ourselves. You'll discover in what way and how we are alarmist to the point of insanity over the most insignificant stuff but mellow and lethargic over stuff that requires investment, how we can be at each other's throats and tear our hair out in public before we suddenly reach a tacit compromise, how we can waste the most time by formulating problems in the stupidest most impractical way before we declare ourselves defeated, how we think we're really smart if we deceive each other and declare ourselves outraged when we discover we were deceived, how we can describe kitsch as inspiring when it's made to look patriotic, and so much more. I'm sure much of this (to the measure where it is applicable, not just satirical) could potentially be ascribed to the [rest of the] Balkans, and, with or without that, Caragiale is also one of the great Balkan authors. Not that surprising, considering that he was actually Greek (and occasionally vilified as such by those who could not take his jokes).

The only problem about Caragiale is that some of his stuff doesn't really translate well. For one, there is a level to his work that would require some insight (for instance, you could understand O scrisoare pierdută/A Lost Letter as just a pun on political games, and it could work very well as such, but it's more interesting after you get insight into which specific political games it addresses - remains to be written into an article here). The other thing is that he has coined some expressions which lose some expressive power in translation, and which have become, well, Romanian shibboleths. (I'm sure this is the case for many Greek-language writers as well.) Other than that, he is very accessible and enjoyable.

This, and what has grown from it into modernism, is what I would call specifically Romanian. An interesting offshoot of that is the stuff written by Caragiale's son Mateiu, specifically this - it's very different and very similar to what his father wrote, and it's generally viewed as one of the most representative Romanian books. (There's also good cause to reading stuff by many Romanian avant-garde writers, such as Max Blecher, but I understand you'd rather stick with more traditional prose.) Outside of this context, there is an explicitly traditionalist, anti-urban literature that was very popular around 1900, which has given Romania some classics, but I for one find too isolated and transparent (and sometimes demented) for my taste. It's also that they've been favored by the gazillion nationalist educators Romanian kids have had the misfortune of having to obey, and they've become more a recipe for patriotic sciolism than a phenomenon that one can distance himself from. There is one writer among them, whom some like and some despise, but who is interesting: Mihail Sadoveanu, whose best work I guess would have to be The Hatchet (it's a good read irrespective of the minimalist rural subject; his other novels are more worth picking from than reading through, but they do offer another extreme to Caragiale's take). You may also find interesting for their specificity and style, if a tad puerile, the tales of Ion Creangă (while his memoirs, granted, are probably not relevant to a non-Romanian public, and some would argue that they aren't even relevant for a Romanian public).

All of the above have been translated into English (and some, I'd wager, into Greek). For a quick source on such translations (or fragments of translations for larger works), search through the Plural Magazine archive (I've recently discovered it myself, and have linked it into several articles mentioned above). Granted, some translations there are not exactly masterpieces, but then again some are really good. If you want me to look some more into this (say, if something from the above catches your eye but you have trouble finding the book - the titles may vary, the editions may be obscure etc.), please don't hesitate to ask me. Dahn (talk) 23:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thrace
Thanks Constantine for the link you gave me. It was an interesting read.--English Bobby (talk) 20:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks Cplakidas
Thank you for making that edited on the Korcula Page. I did pick up the error, but just forgot about it! Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 08:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you please take a look at Zappas Olympics. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

It's an interested as well as neglected topic (at least in the Greek bibliography). You read my mind about the DYK. Your assistance is vital.Alexikoua (talk) 04:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if there could be some picture added together with the hook.Alexikoua (talk) 05:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the medal. I added it on wp:dyk. Alexikoua (talk) 09:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The national character of these Games is quite clear, as well as their role in the revival of the international (from 1896) Olympic Games.Alexikoua (talk) 06:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Question about Constantine Diogenes
Hi Constantine,

I hope this finds you well? It's always a pleasure to find someone who is as obsessed with Byzantine History as I am! A quick question, if you happen to know the answer...

I have just updated Romanos IV Diogenes' entry with corrected details about his eldest son Constantine. Do you happen to know if this Constantine was ever made co-emperor along with his father? According to entries in the Dumbarton Oaks collection, his two youngest sons born to Eudokia Makrembolitissa, Nikephoros and Leo, were made co-emperors shortly after their births and prior to Romanos' overthrow in 1071. These two boys were then confined to a monastery by the Caesar John Ducas, which would make sense if they were indeed raised to the purple. But the eldest, Constantine, escaped this fate, marrying Theodora Komnenos before dying in 1073 outside of Antioch fighting alongside Isaac Komnenos. By this I conclude that he wasn't crowned co-emperor along with his younger brothers during Romanos' lifetime.

Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

Regards,

Alexander. Oatley2112 (talk) 04:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that Constantine. It just confirms what I have read from my search of the historical and secondary sources. Have a good day. Alexander. Oatley2112 (talk) 23:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Menavlon-Menaulion
I would reconsider this move. Regardless any transliteration rules, the word "menavlon" is more common (certainly not by far) in the respective bibliography and gives a better sense of the real pronunciation of the word. GK1973 (talk) 10:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Mention of "Romania" in the lead of the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire article
Thank you very much for your earlier support in that debate. Cody7777777 (talk) 11:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Map of Sasanid empire
The map is indeed the most accepted academic one, (I now realize that it is based on E. Kettenhofen's "Das Sasanidenreich" which is apprently impossible to dismiss.). So how should we go on? Do you know how I can make a (nice) map based on them? Xashaiar (talk)
 * Hi Cplakidas. Yes we should go ahead with requesting at the map lab. so the map should combine this map with this one. Would you please place that request? Xashaiar (talk) 22:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You did put a request! Thanks. I hope they will accept our request. Xashaiar (talk) 22:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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The first modern international Olympic Games was held in Athens in 1859.
Gia sou Constantine,

The German's parents were both Bavarian. He is not half-Greek but was born in Greece. How can you claim he was half-Greek?

Regarding the citizens of the Ottoman Empire who happen to be of ethnic Greek decent. These are citizens of the Ottoman Empire whose parents, grandparents, great-grandparents (and more greats) were born in the Ottoman Empire and not in Greece. They did not have Greek citizenship and they spoke some Turkish as well as Greek to do business and Greek in their domestic lives.

When Greece became independent of the Ottoman Empire in 1821 the ethnic Greeks spread across the Ottoman-occupied world found themselves separated nationally.

Pete Sampras, the great tennis player, is an ethnic Greek who competed for the United States. In international competition he represented the United States. Philippousis, another ethnic Greek competed and still competes for Australia. Andre Agassi, an ethnic Armenian (his original name was Agassian), competed for the United States.

Zappas.org is a source with original content about the early modern history of the Olympic Games. There is no content that I have read on that website that is incorrect.

Your argument is that the Olympic Games (which were formally called "Olympic Games" and that is what they were formally called on the programme of those Games) were not international. How are they not international?

In 1875, Mindler whose parents were both Bavarian and whose ancestors were Bavarian was a participant. Are you trying to classify him as an ethnic Greek? Does the fact that he was born in Greece make him Greek?

In 1870, when the Cretan competed are you claiming that he was Greek even though when Crete became independent of the Ottoman Empire it was an independent country up till 1913? Crete was never part of Greece before 1913.

And in 1859, when Velissariou of Smyrna came first in a running contest - Smyrna was Greek for a brief period in 1922. Prior to that it was Ottoman for three hundred plus odd years and after that it has been a part of the Republic of Turkey.

Are you claiming that Velissarios was a Greek citizen just because his great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was born in one of the ancient regions of Hellas ruled over by Byzantines or Romans.

Think about this. This is a very serious issue. Now tell me is Mindler Bavarian or Greek?

If you say Greek then the Ottomans were Ottomans which means that these Olympic Games were international.

If you say he is German then this means that the 1875 Olympic Games was international.

You also claim that the Cretan was Greek but he would have to be born after 1913 to be Greek.

You also claim Velissarios was Greek. If he had a passport it would have been an Ottoman passport. He would have been fluent in the Turkish language as well as the Greek language.

Think about this. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I will ask the same questions again because I feel that I am being ignored and I do not deserve to be. By answering these two questions we resolve the internationality of the Olympic Games sponsored by Zappas:

1. Is Mindler Bavarian and Velissariou Greek OR is Mindler Greek and Velissariou Ottoman? Those are the two options.

If Mindler is a Greek then those born in the Ottoman Empire are not Greek. Their ethnicity is unimportant when it comes to citizenship. The Ottomans were not citizens of Greece. The Ottomans were not born in the country called Greece that was liberated in 1821. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

2. If these Games were Panhellenic then what were foreign citizens doing competing in them? Remembering that "Panhellenic" and "Panhellenism" is not the same thing (and the difference is not pedantic). These Games were not Panellhnia (a Greek word) Games. Nor were these games Panhellenistic (from the Greek "Panhellenismos") which means that only ethnic Greeks could compete. These Games were open to all competitors and the competitors came from Greece and the Ottoman Empire and a non-ethnic-Greek competed in these Games. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

3. Do you agree or disagree with the facts? I have not presented fiction. These are the facts. Do you agree or disagree?

I am not trying to teach you history. History is reported by scholars who regularly and/or conveniently fail to convey the facts. One of the facts that they have failed to convey is that the revival of the Olympic Games that began in 1859 in Greece was international. They also fail to convey that the Athens 1896 Olympic Games would not have happened without the Panathenian stadium and without the experience of the earlier Olympic Games that were sponsored by Zappas. Without Zappas there would have been no 1896 Athens Games. Without Zappas the Panathenian stadium would not have been the first stadium to host a modern Olympic Games or the only Olympic stadium to host events at the Olympic Games five times. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I regularly find on Wikipedia that when an argument is watertight nobody responds. All I am interested in is that history is based on facts and not repeated nonsense. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Katoxi
gia sou! me pio skeptiko den boroun na boun oi voulgaroi?epidi kanan prosartisi sti voulgaria ton edafon toys?..sosti logiki alla tote de tha prepe na fanetai afto ston kedriko xarti?Greco22 (talk) 14:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

καταλαβα...απλα το infobox οπως ειπες,οντως σε μπερδευει λιγο γιατι εχει κ το πρασινο των βουλγαρων Να ρωτησω κατι αλλο αν δεν κανει κοπο?Επειδη θελω να μεταφερω σε ξενες εγκυκλοπαιδειες(γαλλικη,ιταλικα πχ),καποια ελληνικα προσωπα που δεν υπαρχουν-οπως σωλομο-ειχα την απορια αν περνιεται αυτοματα η "νεα γλωσσα" στις λιστες ολων των υπολοιπων γλωσσων(αριστερα κατω) γιατι φανταζομαι αλλιως ειναι λιγο κοπιαστικο....!ευχαριστωGreco22 (talk) 17:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Chrysotriklinos
Nice one! When you can produce a decent article about a hall of a building, one wonders how many articles potentially we could have.... Himalayan   15:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Email
Hi there. I just sent you an email. Amsaim (talk) 21:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Seems Zappas Olympics generated small edit wars, but things might be complicated. I believe it needs a careful description. I've created Panagiotis Soutsos, so completing the 'olympic puzzle' history. When you have time take a look. Thanks.Alexikoua (talk) 06:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I've proposed Soutsos for dyk. Actually there were some 3-4 good hooks, but I prefered a simple one. It would be interesting if you suggest some alt. hook more 'catchy' one. Thanks for the c-e job againAlexikoua (talk) 19:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a wierd issue on wiki commons where a user proposes for speedy deletion several pictures related to Greece [], with the reason that... there is no freedom of panorama in Greece. On of his last victims was a piture of the statue of Pyrrhus [].Alexikoua (talk) 11:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The nomination user was blocked, due to massive deletion requests.Alexikoua (talk) 11:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Mehmed Resid Pasha
Why are the offspring were removed? They are also under Maluk Dynasty of Baghdad.

What is your Problem? the descendants are in germany, and you can read it under dynasty of Hasan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zibi Fer (talk • contribs) 04:03, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Why should I invent something? As I say you are Greek and we know the thoughts of the Greeks on Muslims.My book is in the work and then all can see that I am right. It is very interesting to know,that descendants of historic persons,lives.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.128.114.237 (talk) 23:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

My own family tree?? I do not understand. These people are Muslim Turks with Georgian ancestors, and not related to me. I am a woman and a Hungarian, Catholic faith. So what has to do with me? I am a writer, and am looking for rarely historic people of the Ottoman Empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.189.55.246 (talk) 22:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
I have been thinking fine sir and all your edits are helpful to Wikipedia your help on the Dalimants and many other numerous articles are all in good faith and have helped many (including me) learn me about history. So Mr Cplakidas I humbly ask you to except my apology and let us start I fresh thankyou,Secthayrabe (talk)

Thankyou my lad will doSecthayrabe (talk)

Good work
Your attentions to Imperial cult (ancient Rome) are appreciated - I've no Latin to speak of and even less Greek, so dea Roma - in part a feed from Imperial cult - would probably benefit from your attentions, should the mood take you. Regards. Haploidavey (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Main page
It's just a pleasure reading the Byzantine navy atricle. Well done.Alexikoua (talk) 08:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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Alpha Trust Investment Services S.A.
Καλημέρα σας! θα ήθελα την βοήθεια σας στη σελίδα του topic (Alpha Trust Investment Services S.A.) την οποία προσπαθώ να δημιουργήσω καμμιά εβδομάδα τώρα όπου μου την διαγράψατε. Έχω δει πολλές εταιρίες του Ελληνικού χώρου όπως ALPHA BANK, EUROBANK που έχουν ανεβάσει άρθρα στο wiki και δεν έχουν κάτι διαφορετικό άπο references. θα μπορούσατε σας παρακαλώ πάαρα πολύ να μου πείτε τι μπορώ να κάνω ώστε να μου επιτραπεί η έκδοση της σελίδας? σας ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων και συγνώμη για την ενόχληση. Didraki (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Papandreou
Quite like no one really saw Blair as PM after Brown became leader of Labour. There were, however, three days between the two titles. Please, the article quite explicitly says that he is "prime minister-elect" not "prime minister" but does state he is being sworn in tomorrow. A single day is all that needs to be held back for correctness' sake. It does say he has been invited to become PM. Saad Hariri was invited to become PM of Lebanon by in March and is still waiting to form a coalition. Tzipi Livni was invited to become PM of Israel last September and was unable to form a coalition, fought an election and lost. I understand that that won't happened here because he has gained that majority but you must understand that being invited and taking office are two different things. A single day for the sake of being as correct as we can. Please. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Lame duck presidencies and premierships, as frustrating as they are, have to be respected in an encyclopedia which focuses on those technicalities. Sorry for being brusque, I was trying to speed around and was quite forgot to respond to you. I been berated fairly often for jumping the gun, so I try to be as careful as I can nowadays. Good night. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Correction of Skotino cave
Hi,

Thank you for taking your time correcting the page created by me, a rookie wikipedian.

I am sure you are "more qualified" than me to decide what is the best text to the page, but let me just raise some questions / justifications:


 * Greek spelling of Skotino and its transliteration - I used Σκοτεινόν (with "ν" in the end) because it's spelled that way in Google Maps. I also have seen it transliterated as Skotinón, namely in http://www.geonames.org (http://www.geonames.org/search.html?q=skotino&country=GR). I had included a list of alternative transliterations aiming at the people who searched for any of the forms find the article, even if they used a less accurate spelling/transliteration.


 * Transliteration of Agia - I think this form is more usual than Ayía, but I decided to use the latter because it's the one used in the Rough Guide, which is commonly reputed as being very careful with that kind of detail.


 * Suppression of the link to Paraskevi - I see no reason for not keeping it.

Best regards, --Stegop (talk) 21:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Lateen sails
Hi. I expand a bit the early history of the lateen to which the Byzantine developments are central. If you stumble across a medieval illustration of a lateen (mosaics, wall paintings, etc.), please include the pic there. Kind regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Haf ranks
I have checked the topic, but it seems clear that english translation of Haf ranks adopts the usaf rank system [] (since ca. 1967). Apart from Klokozas' cv which mentions him as 'Lt. General' in haf.gr, the Greek Air Force personell i.d.'s adopts the usaf rank system.Alexikoua (talk) 05:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I personally prefer the raf rank system too, sounds also more romantic. I've noticed this incosistency because I'm preparing an article for the Greek Chief of the Armed Forces and was a little confused on which rank translation to use. I apologize if my previous msg sounded like war declaration.Alexikoua (talk) 11:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Byzantine empire infobox
Sorry, but I don't see how you can argue that Latin was not an official language after the 7th century when imperial coins continued to show legends in Latin (both letters and words) until the time of the Comneni. You are also wrong about the majority language in the Balkans. The population in Thrace/Illyricum continued to be majority Vlach (i.e. Latin speakers) until the 9/10th centuries, when large numbers migrated to North of the Danube (to avoid Byzantine rule) and most of the rest were assimilated by the Slavic-speakers (substantial pockets of Vlachs remained all over the Balkans until modern times). regards EraNavigator (talk) 14:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't see much point in a transliteration into Latin letters if it doesn't tell the reader how the Greek is actually pronounced (cf. Latin transliteration of official name of Libya). PS: please enlighten me why we need to have empty boxes instead of some of the Greek letters. Regards EraNavigator (talk) 14:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (1) The coin legends continued to be in Latin into the 11th c. On the other hand, it does appear that imperial decrees were issued in Greek only after Justinian. It's fair to regard this as the end of Latin as an official language. On this basis, the caption should read "until 6th c." not 7th c. The claim that it was Heraclius who "abolished" Latin as an official language appears spurious. As the Oxford Dictionary states, all that Heraclius did was to substitute Greek imperial titles (e.g. basileus) for the traditional Roman ones(sebasteos etc). As regards the residual Latin-speakers in the Balkans, their importance is much underrated. Even with the Slavic invasions, at least half the population of Thrace/Illyricum must have remained native Latin-speakers. This is supported by the evidence of the Vlach-Bulgar Rebellion of 1185. Even at this late date, it's clear from references that the Vlach element in this event was at least as important as the Bulgarians and the Asen dynasty tsars of the resulting new Bulgarian empire styled themselves rex Bulgarorum et Vlachorum. (It was the collapse of the previous First Bulgarian Empire under Byzantine military pressure that resulted in vast numbers of Vlachs migrating north of the Danube (where previous waves of Vlachs had already taken refuge) and to found the Romanian nation).


 * If the Vlachs were numerous in Thrace in the 11/12th c., they are likely to have been even more numerous in the 8/9th c. The point is that the Vlachs were no more or less than the indigenous Latin-speaking population of the Balkans pre- the barbarian invasions. The difficulty arises from the fact that Byzantine chroniclers did not use the term Vlachs until the 11th c. Before that they simply referred to "Thracians" and "Illyrians", who thereby became disconnected from the Vlachs. Vlach is simply a variant of what was clearly a common barbarian term for Romans, which appears in various forms all over the empire: Welsh, Walloon (the French speakers of Belgium), Olasz (the Hungarian term for Italians), Welscher (the Austrian slang for Italians). The origin of this term is uncertain, but may come from vallum ("wall" or "ditch"), with wallscher being the original Grmanic word, meaning "people of the wall" (i.e. from behindthe Roman defence lines). After the barbarian invasions, when the barbarian tribes became the masters of Roman Europe, the term acquired a pejorative sense. My overall point is that the Balkan Romans, even allowing for the constant wars and barbarian invasions, must have remained an important component of the population until many fled N otf the Danube, leaving the rest in isolated pockets which shrank with every century. EraNavigator (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * (2) Although I won't contest Latin as an official language "until 7th c" further (the evidence is not clearcut enough to make any firm conclusion), I continue to dispute strongly that the term Eastern Roman Empire in English historiography is normally used to denote the empire for its entire duration. I have in front of me the Encyclopedia Britannica, whose main article "History of the Byzantine empire" has a section entitled "The 6th c.: from East Rome to Byzantium". I challenge you to find a single serious historical work in English that refers to the empire post-641 as the "East Roman empire". The point is that the end of Heraclius reign, and the permanent loss of the vast territories of Syria, Palestine, Egypt and Africa after 700 years of Roman rule was THE watershed in the empire's history (a point that the lead still fails to highlight properly). Before that date, the empire was recognisably the eastern half of the old Roman empire. After that time, it was transformed into something far less impressive: a Balcano-Anatolian dictatorship with a narrow, Greco-Armenian orientalising culture far removed from classical civilisation. The transformation is seen also in military affairs. Until the mid 6th c., the army was essentially identical, in structure and dispositions, to the eastern section of the 4th century Late Roman army, as shown in the Notitia Dignitatum. After the change, the army was transformed into the theme-based army characteristic of the Byzantine era. EraNavigator (talk) 19:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, you've defended your changes effectively, and I won't contest them further. But I remain unhappy with the transliteration, which I think is unhelpful to readers. Regarding the missing Greek letters, maybe my computer/software cannot recognise certain characters. But instead of the capital P of Romaion, I simply get a an empty square icon. Same for the w of twn. EraNavigator (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox order
At Template talk:Infobox order, I've put up a suggestion on a new version of the template to address (largely unanswered) criticism. Suggestions would be nice on improving the new code (at that page, notwithstanding that I am an IP). Thanks, 118.90.35.155 (talk) 06:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Limyra Bridge
Hi Constantine, see email please. Kind regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. Could you translate the following for Wikimedia Commons into Greek: "Roman Limyra Bridge in Lycia, Turkey, one of the oldest segmental arch bridges in the world". Gun Powder Ma (talk) 13:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you help out? The Greek caption is the only one missing. :-) Gun Powder Ma (talk) 12:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Pumpie
I noticed your comment on their talk page. As this issue stretches back years according to their talk page, opening a Request for Comment on their editing might help. Fences &amp;  Windows  02:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions
Greetings! I would like to suggest you a couple of things. The first on is to create an article "History of the Byzantine-Bulgarian (diplomatic?) relations". The two countries had coexisted together for more than 5 centuries and quite obviously they were not constantly at war. I think that the article should include the commercial, diplomatic and cultural relations and exchange and mention the Byzantine influence over Bulgaria in terms of culture and during the Second Empire administration, about marriages and all types of non-military relations as a whole. And if you think of any Bulgarian influence over the Byzantine it would be great :):):) To my mind such an article is needed because unfortunately it seems that foreign historians and researchers of the Byzantine Empire do not pay enough attention to the relations with the Bulgarians. I really hate when they write Byzantine relations with the Slavs, who are those Slavs, didn't they had countries? According to me they underestimate the role of Bulgaria... I am writing this to you because I think you are the most appropriate person to write it because I have neither talent nor good enough English and according to me you can provide much better structure and citations. Of course, I will help with citations from Bulgarian authors and will add some things if needed. I hope you will have time and interest to do this but after all it really depends on your own plans and free time.

Secondly, isn't it better a WikiProject Byzantine Empire to be created? The Empire is undoubtedly a whole world and the extend of the topics is large enough to earn its own project.

And lastly, one request: I have nominated Battle of the Gates of Trajan for GA and I tried to search for more citations of English books and sources but I did not did anything, so I would really appreciate it if you find some if the reviewer states that there are too many Bulgarian language citations. I hope that the reviewer wouldn't mind but if he does, I hope you will be able to do something :) Best, --Gligan (talk) 12:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! Well, I am a little clumsy with computers and don't know how to e-mail you unless you type me your e-mail address or tell me how exactly to find it. It would be really good to send me those sources and write me a suggestion about the structure of the article. I will probably begin it today or these days under the title you suggested. It would be nice to add citations to the battle of the Gates of Trajan in the weekend, thank you very much :):):) Best, --Gligan (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your work!
Thank you for your work with the article Background of the Winter War! It is now promoted as GA-class. I was wondering do you have also extra time to take a look in the article Winter War? Currently, it is under FA-review Featured article candidates/Winter War/archive1, and very close to achieve the FA-class (hopefully). And the 30th November will the 70th anniversary of the war. Peltimikko (talk) 21:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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smile
Your suggestion made me smile. You suggest that there is a comment on DYK awards page to say that anyone can award an award and "someone" should add it. My thought was "How do I know that I'm permitted to add such a notice?" .... Should I get someone to add a permission coment for me to add one for you?

Seems to me that the solution is that you should add the comment. That way you will know that you are allowed. You can award awards, make up awards, host award ceremonies etc.... this is our project! Be BOLD! Victuallers (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Corporate statute
Would you like to help me? Years ago I copied a Moschopolis' corporate statute (roufetion), but in latin script? Maybe you can change it bach to Greek. Or redirect me to someone who can. The first paragraph reads like this:


 * † 1779 Ianouariou 2

Epidhi olon to systima toude tou pantos, me taxin kai eurrythmian diakatadechetai, kai pote den empiptai eis amichanian, dia to aischimonws dioikeisthai, you tou ouranion, kai tou epigeiou vasilews. Guildenrich (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Tanzanians in Greece
I have seen you have done that,and as the article is new,we are going to find more sources and the notability needed,I m not gonna mentioned the famouse people as others have done in their article,Greek-Cyprot,Greek-Canadian,can you just look into them and see what notability is there?,I have seen article about Philippines in Greece mentioned about working as a domestic worker,can you read KRESIES EFKERIES TO see if there is no greek work, as a domestic workers?do you think is that notability? thank you Lafleure355 (talk) 19:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

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 * Hello Greek Nazi Eleniko! Please tell me why do you delete Native Name and the link relevant for Macedonians/Armans? (Njirlu (talk) 06:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Why you delete Native Name? (Njirlu (talk) 07:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * and where is written that aromanians are macedo-romanians and have the native name vlaci? (Njirlu (talk) 07:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * You are confused!! Tell me where is written that aromanians are mace-romanians or vlaci by ethnical point of view?? I can give 100 books from romania in wich is used the ethnic ethimology "macedonian" for aromanians. I gave some bibliography but you and Romanian operators have constantly deleted!! Why?? Why you dont accept a native name ?? Wikipedia agree these!!! If you accept ethimology "armanji" or "rramanji" you must also accept the ethimology "makedonji" wich is natural and original for Macedon_Arman people!!!!! (Njirlu (talk) 07:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * We are not Macedo-romanians or greeks!! We are Macedonians latinized !! (Arman ethimology derives from latin). So please dont cancel natural (Native) ethimologies of the MacedonArman people!! Tell me if you understand.. (Njirlu (talk) 07:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC))

And if you didnt know that council of MacedonArman people, has the Participatory Status at Council of Europe!! So you tell us that the site is not relevant prouve for our native ethimologies??? (Njirlu (talk) 07:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC))

And if you didnt know that council of MacedonArman people, has the Participatory Status at Council of Europe!! So you tell us that the site is not relevant prouve for our native ethimologies???

And if you didnt know that council of MacedonArman people, has the Participatory Status at Council of Europe!! So you tell us that the site is not relevant prouve for our native ethimologies??? (Njirlu (talk) 07:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC))

Byzantine Surnames
Hello. Thanks for the translations but there something I don't get. Doukaina Vatatzaina to Doukaines Vatatzaines and Megale Komnene to Megales Komnenes or, Megalokomnenes. Wouldn't Doukaina be Doukai and Komnene be Komnenoi or is there male and female plural forms of names? Also what do you know about the surname Mamas as in Theophano Mamas, wife of co-Emperor Constantine Lekapenos? --Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 07:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Then would it be Megaloi Komnenoi, right, if it's in male plural. But what would Doukas Vatatzes and Doukas Kamateros be .--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

MacedonArman People
I will add bibliography from Romania and not only in which is used "macedonian" ethimology. And for native names of aromanians, i believe that is sufficient oru concil that collaborates with council of europe!! What do you thing??? (Njirlu (talk) 07:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * So...A council wich has Participatory Status at Council of Europe, is not a relevant source regard Macedon/Armans native ethimologies??? (Njirlu (talk) 07:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Man!!! That is an official transnational organization, wich has asociate mambers of Armans comunities from all over the world!! it has reprezentation in usa, canada, spain, germany, france, australia, austria!!!!!!!! And you tell me now that is not a relevant prouve for NATIVE NAMES of "aromanians" !  If you accept ethimologies like "macedo-romanians" or "vlachs" you must accept also "macedonians" and especially native names "makedonji-armanji" and "makedonji-rramanji". any way i will add more bibliography necessary! but i hope your friends Romanians will not delete it! (Njirlu (talk) 07:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Ok! I understand and knoe very well the dispute you are talking about!! But stiil a belive that wiki can accept Macedon_Arman!! Ok not Macedonians, till they will change their false native name!

But Macedon-Arman is perfectly acceptable! Even there are hundreds of books wiche use the ethimology "macedonian" for "aromanian" people, I thing is ok for wiki principles to accept MacedonArmans ethymologie and "makedonji-armansji" / "makedonji-rramanji" as Native Name (and the pruouve are the aromanians and their official transnational organization ). What do you believe? Wikipedia can accept MacedonArman and "makedonji-armanji, makedonji-rramanji'' ethymologies? Thank you very much!! and Bests greetings!! (Njirlu (talk) 08:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Constantine! Please help me!! I made a big mistake!!! I deleted the entire article "aromanians".

Please help me! (Njirlu (talk) 08:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * It is only the last modification! I added before these mistake some 60 bibilografy sources! Thank you! (Njirlu (talk) 09:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC))

Constantine, please cancel my last modification because i made a mistake and i deleteted the entire article! Thank you very much! (Njirlu (talk) 09:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * I ve just repaired the mistake! Anyway thanks!! (Njirlu (talk) 09:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Klapidas!! You really have something to with Native Names of Aromanians? why you delete names "makedonji-armanji" and "makedonji-rramanji" ? i remember you : that council is a transnational organization for Armans(Makedon Armans)! Why you are playing with these names?? (Njirlu (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC))


 * and something else!!! What means "armin" and "vlaci" ?????????????? These are not nattive names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Njirlu (talk) 11:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC))

Sick and tyred you must be by yourself!! You are... I repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "armin" and "vlasi" are not NATIVE NAMES I added ANOFFICIAL COUNCIL FOR THE NATIVE NAMES!! BUT ONLY YOU< GREEK< CANT ACCEPT IT!!! WHY??? We can talk about your discrimination at wikipedia and you can be blocked from florida becaue you are not a professional Admin, you are a LITTLE GREEK FROM ATHENE! Man you so...(Njirlu (talk) 11:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC))

Komnenos
Hi Cplakidas, i was just thinking the Komnenos Dynasty article could maybe do with abit about their modern day relatives. Some of the other wiki family articles have parts on their modern day members and i found this website which seems to be about the modern Komnenos. Anyway have a look if you like and see what you think. Cheers.--English Bobby (talk) 16:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

http://www.new-byzantium.org/houseof.html

Ah i see what you mean. Oh well i'll keep looking. Regards.--English Bobby (talk) 17:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hetaireia
As far as I know, ἑταιρεῖα is just a misspelling. The correct form in Ancient, Medieval, and Katharevousa Greek is ἑταιρεία (the last <α> being long). If you have no objections, could you correct this diacritic in the article on Hetaireia? --Omnipaedista (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Hamidiye
Thanks for the help with that article. What a gorgeous ship! They actually scrapped it, un***believeable! Same with Yavuz. In any case, I will expand bit by bit. I even have a picture of Rauf's log book that I took personally.--Murat (talk) 23:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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Friedrich Kellner
I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I realize how very busy you, yet I am hoping you can help me with the Friedrich Kellner article, to translate it into Greek. I have a condensed version of the English article that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott --Rskellner (talk) 02:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your willingness to help. I can see by the many entries on your discussion page just how busy you are, and I feel badly about adding to your work. I do not have your regular email, so I cannot email you a Word document with the condensed version of the Friedrich Kellner article, so instead I have placed that condensed version on my Sandbox page, which is at User:Rskellner/Sandbox. I hope this works for you. --Rskellner (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Battles involving the Ottoman Empire
Hi Cplakidas,

Thanks for your contribution to the template Ottoman (Turkish) battles. But I've reverted your two battle additions for post 1900 era. Reason is explained in the talk page of the template. Have a good day. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602–628
Thanks for your comment. It was kind of an accident that I worked on this article because I had wanted to originally do the requested True Cross war. Because I don't like to do write stuff without very good references, I spent a bunch of time looking for references on that war. However, I found that it didn't exist under that name anywhere and that the Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602–628 was the closest thing to it. It took a lot of work, but getting comments like yours is pretty cool. :) Thanks again for the comment. DemonicInfluence (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, a small aside. Looking at your user page, I see you've made some nice maps. I'm wondering how you made them and with what programs? Also, can you just basically just recreate a map that was from a book? Thanks. DemonicInfluence (talk) 01:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks....
Thanks Constantine for your kind thoughts and words. After a short change of scenery, I will be back with a vengeance... :) Viva Byzantium...  Take Cake.  Dinkytown (talk) 02:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Ilias Iliou
Mr Plakidas, 1. Many thanks for your various improvements, much appreciated. 2. A minor point: unlike 'Eleutheria' which reads best as Eleftheria in English, Philippos is better than Filippos as the local equivalent is Philip not Filip. As it is possible that a new article may be prepared for the historian Iliou in the future, it is best to be consistent. So I shall change those back with, I hope, your agreement, as well as correct an old spelling error - mine I think. 3. I have also created an article on another Greek politician: George Emmanuel Kaldis MP. A minor figure but of some interest perhaps in his early years. If you have the time to take a look at it, I should be grateful - it ought I suppose to integrate into the Greek politicians project, but I don't know how to do that. Regards Byzant123 (talk) 10:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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Castor of Rhodes
Hi. Can you sort this article out? Thanks.. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks from Oxford
I just wanted to convey to you the thanks of all Byzantine history students at Oxford University - there's one course in particular about the age of Constantine Porphyrogenitos i've been studying, for which your articles have been invaluable - we thought the wikipedia articles had been written by someone who'd studied the course! Reading through chronicles or lists of precedence, it's been wonderful to be able to check up on things like the office of parakoimomenos, the Charsianon theme or the Hetaireia - your contributions relating to the aristocracy/bureaucracy and imperial palace in particular have been much appreciated. I just though you might like to know that the students of the historians you cite (eg. Whittow, Holmes, Mango), go to the wikipedia pages you've written to check their facts. (Notyetlost (talk) 16:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC))

Descent
Would you be so kind to explain this change? We are talking about several different descents, not a single one. --TakenakaN (talk) 11:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Empire
Hi Cplakidas, it's a pleasure to meet you. :)

In the edit summary you said, "the lede must contain a summary of the entire history, and 1018 is the end of the 1st Empire & b) "subjugated" it never did, "saved Europe" is questionable and too POV-ish. Either way, it is already mentioned below."

Due to your recent edits and quoted comment above, I am under the impression that you are not familiar with Bulgar-Byzantine history. Bulgaria subjugated the Byzantine Empire on more than one occasion and it's was recognized as the "Saviour of Europe". I'll share a few examples with you and I encourage you to look through the literature in regard to these particular issues.

1) Emperor Tervel of the First Bulgarian Empire re-instated Justinian II to the Byzantine throne in return for being recognized as Caeser. Therein, in c. 705 Justinian II recognized Tervel as Caeser (Supreme ruler) and agreed to pay the First Bulgarian Empire yearly tributes, thus marking this the very first time in history that the Byzantine Empire had become a tributary state to a foreign empire. Please research these events for more information.

2) Khan Krum of Bulgaria defeated the Byzantine Empire and killed the Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus I. Nicephorus's son (heir to the throne) was also killed by the Bulgarian army. Needless to say, Nicephorus's skull was lined with silver and used as Krum's favourite ceremonial drinking vessel. These victories also allowed the First Bulgarian Empire to annex vast territories that formerly belonged to the Byzantine Empire. Please see the wide array of academic sources available at JSTOR for more information.

3)During the Second Arab Siege of Constantinople, the Byzantine administration sent messages to Emperor Tervel, pleading with him to come to their aid. Caeser Tervel did just that by defeating Caliph Sulayman ibn abd al-Malik's besieging forces. The Bulgarian cavalry decimated between 22,000 and 35,000 Arab soldiers thus saving the city and adjacent parts of Europe from the Caliphate's expansionist ambitions. Emperor Tervel and his thousands of troops thus entered Constantinople, parading through its streets as heroes. Tervel was recognized as the "Saviour of Europe" by his contemporaries. Once more, please read the abundant literature describing this particular event in history.

Anyway, I will now utilize your criteria for intros to edit the Byzantine Empire article where the very first sentence will include information about its disintegration and annexation by the Ottoman Empire. I will approach other editors in regard to other articles about various empires (Roman, Greek, French, British, etc) and describe to them what your views are in regard to this matter. After all if there is to be fairness, neutrality and supreme objectivity, then all articles must be subjected to the same rules across the board.

Nice working with you.--Monshuai (talk) 09:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, even I have to agree that subjugated is a strong word here... In certain moment we predominated, in other moments the Byzantines predominated, such as during the crisis between 756 and 777 but we don't say that they subjugated us. The fact that we saved Europe from the Muslims is already mentioned in the lead but it would be nice to expand that event in the section "Establishing a firm foothold in the Balkans" if you find more sources :) Regards to both of you, --Gligan (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi again Cplakidas,


 * I agree that to subjugate means to "impose political control". Thus one must ask the following question: Which foreign emperor, other than Tervel, was given the title of Caeser by Justinian II (or any other Byzantine Emperor), who was/were himself/themselves instated to the Byzantine throne by that very same foreign emperor and his foreign soldiers? The Bulgarian Emperor Tervel overthrew the then Byzantine Emperors Leontius and Tiberius III and then reinstated Justinian II to the throne in exchange for gifts, the title Caeser and Justinian's daughter in marriage. This is very much a blatant example of political control, exercised by the very same First Bulgarian Empire that would just a little over a decade later have its Emperor (same guy as above) and his troops (same as above) parade through the streets of Constantinople. Now tell me, which other "dozens of states", as you put it, did all this? This is indeed a very defining moment in the First Bulgarian Empire's history, as it showed its leaders that their state could not only rival the Byzantine Empire, but indeed exercise military and political might to impose said political control.


 * BTW, I know quite a bit about Byzantine history too as this is one of my majors in university. :)


 * Now then, the history books I've read (18 on this subject to be exact - [please visit JSTOR and you can read them too]) all state that the Arab assault was too strong, determined and logistically reinforced to not have succeeded in their ambitions long-term ambitions. In other words, it was a matter of time before Constantinople would have fallen. Had this not been the case, Justinian II would not have sent urgent messages to Tervel (as he did 13 years before) asking him for immediate aid. Again, which "dozens of [other] states" had thousands of their troops and Emperor parade through the streets of Constantinople as did those of the First Bulgarian Empire? What kind of control do you think Tervel had over the city after he entered? Remember, his entire army that was strong enough to defeat the Umayyad Caliphate, entered the city. In other words, thousands upon thousands of Bulgarian men, primarily organized into heavy and light cavalry battle units and armed to the teeth were inside... Why do you think Justinian II let them in, when doing so meant that he no longer had the city's walls as "protection", thereby placing his Empire's fate in the hands of a Bulgarian ruler he once recognized as Caeser? It was because after the Bulgarians defeated the Arabs, the Byzantines had no choice but to appease their saviours...


 * PS: The lede must indeed be balanced. Bulgaria's rivalry and influence over the Byzantine Empire is very much an important part of its history and therefore belongs there. Furthermore, since you do not place the disintegration and annexation of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottoman Empire in the first sentence, I cannot for the life in me find a non-hypocritical/double standard reason why it should be in the first sentence in the intro of the First Bulgarian Empire article. Therein, this information will be placed in the end of the lede, as is the case in the Byzantine article. One more thing, I have nothing against Byzantine history or its achievements. I am after all a student of history and of science, who truly loves the achievements of all humanity. I am also part Greek, so I feel I have no reason to undermine the legacy of my ancestors. The problem I have is that some Greek editors feel that Bulgaria's history is somehow inferior to what they deem their own history, therein utilizing double standards to suppress certain information that elucidates and highlights Bulgaria's achievements. I sincerely hope that you are not one of these editors.--Monshuai (talk) 13:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

How to proceed
Greetings! When I create the articles about the Bulgaria divisions how should I name them? I used to name them like that "Second Thracian Infantry Division" but I have seen that in the article of Stiliyan Kovachev you have changed the name to "2nd Thracian Infantry Division". Is it better to name them after your suggestion? Best, --Gligan (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Request
Greetings again! I know you as a reasonable person and I urge you to stop your countrymen User:Athenean and User:Alexikoua from their ridiculous edits. Please see the recent edit history of the First Balkan War. They remove Bulgarian from everywhere which makes no sense.

And now, I would like to ask for help in settling the issue for all those problems. Here it is: The Greek nave is mention by name the the crucial factor for the victory (which is itself ridiculous) while there is not a single credit to the Bulgarian army which fought the bulk of the Ottoman armies in Thrace and the major battles in the war - all that are indisputable facts and cited in two of the three sources pointed in the end of the article. By the logic of Athenean, there is no need to credit the Bulgarian army by name "because it is obvious who fought in Thrace" and when I answered that the Greek navy also does not need to be credited "because it is mention superiority in the Aegean" I received nothing but a threat (previously he stated that the Greek navy had to be mention by name because there was a Bulgarian navy - which is ridiculous having in mind that the Bulgarian navy did not act in the Aegean). He clearly applies double standards and I would like to ask you to intervene and solve that particular problem once and for all (there are many other problems but let us concentrate only on that one). Regards, --Gligan (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your help. I am sorry that I so often involve you in such issues but you are really person I can trust and I completely respect. I wish you to continue with your fruitful contributions to Wikipedia. Best regards, --Gligan (talk) 09:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK
I commented at your DYK nomination of Justin: T:TDYK. Thanks for contributing it, Ucucha 22:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hallo CP! Can you please take a look here? TanksAlexikoua (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Dagalaiphus Dagalaiphus
What kind of retards have twice the same name? (Unless their parents have both the same last name and people use the last names of both on their country.) It's not a "hunch", it's LOGIC! If you see someone with a repeated name, it's a mistake of whoever copied it! Obviously! Thank you for you logic, Constantine Constantine!... I've seen it doubled elsewhere too, you know, and logically I've allways corrected it because it's a mistake! Dgarq (talk) 16:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the intrusion, but Dgarq is keeping on reinserting Settipani's book in Dagalaiphus page. I don't want to start an edit-war, but I think those books should stay out of the article. Could you please do something?

Furthermore, Dgarq started calling me a "retard", and frankly the whole thing is starting to bother me. What can I do? --TakenakaN (talk) 16:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samonas
Hello! Your submission of Article at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mkativerata (talk) 07:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Category redirect
I saw your redirect at Category:Roman tribunes. I have nothing against this, but please be informed that the right way to do this is at WP:CFD. Debresser (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible POV edits by 91.148.147.147 Contributions / talk page
You might want to review edits made this evening by this user to various articles - they seem to be promoting a particular (Greek) POV in the face of evidence cited by other editors. I know next to nothing about the subject area, so I don't want to arbitrarily revert the edits, but I saw on their talk page that you warned them a short while ago about making similar changes to Byzantine related articles, and you seem to know the subject, so I thought I'd flag it up for you to double check when you have the time. Thanks. -- DMS (talk) 23:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)