User talk:Craft37by

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Dear Hebel and User:Sabbatino
Please stop your disruptive editing. You are saying about 'diversity of opinions', but you only saving the one opinion about GDL lecacy. So in fact you are acting opposite way. So I can describe it is as lie and duplicity. The articles that you are not allowing to edits have no something about neutral point of view, bacause it grounded in discussion of few points of few.

You clean up historical articles from any not-Lietuvan (in modern sense) line without any certain argumentation. And you deleted everything.

And that's when Grand Duchy of Lithuania article filled with the names of the princes with -as ending. But could you mention this kind of names in at least one chronicle? I am not. Same as the language. What's the proof that modern Lithuanian used the Duchy? There not, it just hypothesis and it's better for everybody to read about it not so uniquely. If I am wrong - please let me know the source proofs of this statements.

You edit's surely not grounded on Wikipedia neutral principals and very similar to vandalize what also supported by other cases, such as with Ukrainian and other slavonic-related pages. If you will no stop this erroneous activity you will be forced to be blocked from editing due negative censorship and propaganda of one historical version without any evidence.

July 2016
Hello, I'm Hebel. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 16:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Hebel. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Stop making unfounded accusations as you did on the talkpage of User:Sabbatino Gerard von Hebel (talk) 17:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Craft37by, opinions that are contentious or even fringe, although sometimes mentioned when due are not added to Wikipedia articles as true statements as they are not supported by reliable sources. Please refrain from making such edits to Wikipedia articles as it is considered disruptive editing. Also refrain from making accusations about vandalism as you have now done twice. It's also considered disruptive. Consider in the future to discuss your issues on the talkpages of the article in front of other editors instead. Thank you. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Gerard von Hebel

Dear Gerard, without this paragraph you deleting article is not objective. Please provide the original sources for:
 * Knighs names like Vitautas, Midaugas in original chronicles
 * Lithuanian as majority language
 * Lithuanian language first mention
 * Original maps (if you deleting two from my commit)

My thoughts: Ruthenian language very similar to belarusian and it showed in chronics written in next centuries. Ruthenian even called also as old-belarusian and old-ukraninan. We can say that majority people spoken Ruthenian cause it used in law and also called as 'prosta mova' ('simple language'). I call modern-lihuaninan as modern because I know the source when lithuanian language mentioned as ruthenian: "For instance, duke Keystut in 1351 commanded the Lithuanian army in the Belarusian language. In a Latin -language source (Hungarian 'Dubickaya' chronicles) it was referred to as Litvanian (lithwanice). Keystut's call in Belarusian "The ox is our discords. God is with us!" was not only correctly transliterated by the witness ("rogachina rozne nachy gospanany" — which is clearly the aforementioned phrase in Belarusian), but also correctly translated into Latin ("cornutum ...iuramentum per nos ...Deus ad nos"), thus corroborating the case." For source the statements I've posted the link to M.Ermalovich book in belarusian language and mentioned another three authors. If it's not enough - why article using same historical books instead original chronicles?

If you want to save Wikipedia in neutral position of view, please provide the sources for this questioned statements.

Before this I see no reason to delete small paragraph in pro-samogitian article. Thank you. Craft37by (talk) 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Sock puppet investigation
A SPI in which you are involved has been submitted here. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:07, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

3RR
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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Edit warring at Grand Duchy of Lithuania
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. The full report is now in 3RRArchive321. I'm also alerting you to the discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBEE, since there seems to be some nationalist POV-pushing about the history of Lithuania. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:09, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Articles of interest to you are covered by discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBEE
EdJohnston (talk) 00:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

GD of Lithuania
User:Craft37bv Images that have copyright and are not demonstrably in the free domain can’t be added to Wikipedia articles. So when you’re not sure it’s best to stay away from them. I have no idea about the status of this image. We also do not add suggestive or disclaiming language to Wikipedia articles to emphasise a contentious POV that is not supported by the language and reliable sources of the article, as you did there. It makes for bad and suggestive writing and will be challenged and removed. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

July 2016
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Thank you. Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Iryna Harpy, Okay, thank you. I am a novice editor here. Craft37by (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Shark Quest


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Lithuania and Belarus are covered by discretionary sanctions
EdJohnston (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Mentioned


Your editing has been mentioned on my talk page. Usage of fringe theories is one of the complaints. You can respond on my talk page if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you revert again at Vilna Governorate or any of the other pages in dispute an administrator may decide to ban you from all editing about Eastern Europe. It's in your interest to open some discussions and wait till others agree with you. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, EdJohnston. Thank you for information. Joining the discussion on your page. Craft37by (talk) 18:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Craft37by. The next time you make a revert at History of Belarus or other articles related to Lithuania, without first getting a consensus in your favor on the talk page, you may be blocked. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * We have few days conversation about the topics and I still can't find any reasonable arguments, EdJohnston. What about you? Why it's possible to remove the content without argumenting? I only can understand this like vandalism and protecting soviet propaganda. Reverting Belarus page seems like a joke. Why Polotsk Principally map changed to Kiev Principally ?? Keiv not even situated in Belarus, Polotsk IS. If I will be blocked in this absurd situation I will be claiming about it cause it's illogical and contradicts the free spirit of wikipedia. Thank you. Craft37by (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You choose to participate here, so you need to understand that *our* policies apply to these articles. Your calling the current pages a 'joke' doesn't affect our decision making process. If you continue to use the term 'vandalism' incorrectly about other editors you are risking a block. EdJohnston (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * EdJohnston, how can I understand removing original english-writen book quotes with 'grammar issues' formulation? Logically thinking if it's not about vandalism - it's about censorship and protecting propaganda. I know how it was in USSR.. HISTORY articles should have basis on documents not fantasies, and I think moderation will agree with that as axioma and part of Wikipedia policy, which barely lead to long process of decisioning. Cheers. Craft37by (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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I do not know who you think you are but stop the misconceptions and adding a 'Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth'. There was no such state and obviously you are idolizing some kind of litvin ideology instead of sticking to facts sadly. Thanks. You are being warned again. Stop persistent vandalism and edit war. Just because somebody is from Vilnius doesn't make them Belarusian. Oliszydlowski, 11:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oliszydlowski, real misconception is when Commonwealth widely represented as 'Poland' itself. There WAS such state - confederation, and I just sorted two parts of them alphabetically. Every adding I support with facts. For beginning, I suggest you to read memories of closest Pilsudski friend - of Lucjan Żeligowski . Book called - 'Zapomniane prawdy' (Forgotten trues). After reading you will never complain about some 'ideology'. Read some Bogusz historian. I am not even started a war but sharing the facts. Just because 1887 report document is a fact - Pilsukdki called himself as Belarusian nobleman. Neither he or Mickievicz (who wrote 'LITWO, OJCZYZNO MOJA!') or Koscziusko (who wrote "jestem Litwinem, Najjaśniejszy Panie") - if they knew polish doesn't make them ethnically Polish. And believe me, you will not stop sharing this facts by your possible 'POV vandalism'. I want to believe in your discretion. Have a nice day.


 * There is no such country as Lithuania-Poland nor it was ever referred to like this. It's either Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Poland-Lithuania. Also, the article title is "First Partition of Poland" not the "partition of Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth. Stick to facts. Oliszydlowski, 21:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oliszydlowski Oh, really there is difference between 'Lithuania-Poland' and 'Poland-Lithuania' Confederation? Still it's not Poland itself. You know, last time when Poland disrespect their allies in 17-19 centuries - it become 'Kraj Privislenski', province of Moscow Empire. My dear chauvinist friend, have you really learned this lesson of history? Craft37by (talk) 14:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * There is a big difference as lawfully Poland was dominant in the union and Lithuania ceased to exist after the 3 May Constitution. It even says on the page. Similarly to England's dominance over Scotland and Wales. And thanks again for your personal comment, but you also display chauvinism from some kind of Litvin-Bealrusian side. Regardless, it's best to discuss such things and stay civilised. Oliszydlowski, 14:46, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * About dominance - it's very questionable cause two parts of union have ceparate army, laws, money systems for centuries and Poland joined the commonwealth as a ~1/3 part of it territorially. How 3 may Constitution from 1791 connected with 1780 map caption? Generally, this constitution left only on paper for Lithuania - Statutes of Grand Duchy of Lithuania still was active till 1840s and even 1860s on territory of modern Ukraine. I totally agree with your idea of staying civilized and I am very happy that you ended with alternative when Commonwealth actually mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Belarus&diff=853383975&oldid=853382766 Thank you. Craft37by (talk) 09:21, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Long term POV pushing about Lithuania
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 * EdJohnston, do you really mean that consensus is 'voluntarily stop editing Wikipedia'? Still I got no answer on my complain on a bunch of ungrounded deletions for unknown reasons. So I understand your activity as an act of covering actually vandalism against me personally AND certain censorship against whole wikipedia community. Blocking is a revenge for my demand for detailed explanations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston#Concerned_with_edits_made_by_user_Sabbatino


 * About 'litvinism - that's very similar to the Kremlin experts vocabulary, for which I informed you with bright example.
 * In 2016 Director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies retired Lt. Gen. Reshetnikov said to belarusian Radio Liberty literally this: "... At independence, do not declare themselves as part of "litvinsky" history. (in belarusian: ня трэба аб’яўляць сябе часткаю «ліцьвінскай» гісторыі.) You do not want to be proud of Dostoevsky and Pushkin, and you want to be proud of Mickiewicz? It's just awful ...". Link is: https://www.svaboda.org/a/raszetnikau-havoryc/28192683.html.
 * Later this interview released the scandal at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs: https://www.svaboda.org/a/28190866.html (Belarusian Foreign Ministry expressed protest to Russia in connection with the statement by the Director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies).
 * So I have all reasons to suspect 'others' in cooperating with ideological department of russian special agencies. Maybe that's about you also? Craft37by (talk) 09:08, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 months for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 18:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Unreasonable blocking by EdJohnston

 * Yunshui, Multiple account are allowed by rules so couldn't be the reason of blocking and I should be unblocked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Legitimate_uses . BTW, there is no proofs that I am using multiple accounts. Craft37by (talk) 13:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Multiple accounts are allowed under very specific circumstances, which do not apply here. You have been abusing multiple accounts to create the illusion of support for your viewpoint, which is considered abuse. As to proof - allow me to introduce you to the checkuser tool.
 * If you're going to get all legal-eagle at us, you ought to at least read the policies you're (mis-)quoting... Yunshui 雲 水 08:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yunshui, hello. Well, thanks for the information and your time to support the community driven. My only motivation was to share the information which is support really neutral point of view. When my mentions of contemporaries was deleted as personal content\POV without real explanations and was covered, rightly or not, by the administrator without due attention (which I also understand because we are limited in time)- I was very disappointed and probably lost believe in fair trial.. Thanks for your answer. Craft37by (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Second unreasonable blocking by EdJohnston

 * See also User:Džordanas Brunas. They were CU-blocked by DQ as a sock of this account. GABgab 18:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What the checkuser hath blocked let no mere admin unblock. Thus hath it been written; thus shall it be done.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 18:13, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Im Verlage des Herausgebers.png
 * I would like to add that beside User:Džordanas Brunas, there are also three IPs (46.53.178.122, 86.57.247.119 (already blocked for 3 months), 109.126.131.113) and User:Kirylpl (new but already blocked user). All of them (3 IPs and 1 user) have restored content, which was added by Craft37by at some point. All of those IPs point to Minsk, Belarus, which makes it clear that these three IPs are/were used to restore the blocked user's additions, which shows that there is/was an abuse of multiple accounts (registered or not, but that is still socking). And the newest but already blocked User:Kirylpl has done exactly the same when it added the grammatically poor and POV content for which Craft37by has been blocked. Of course, I am not an administrator, but his block should either be extended or made indefinite due to the abuse of unblock requests and/or failure to address the reasons for being blocked. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Dlohcierekim, hello. Despite I like your less formal views and sharing it - I believe we are here probably organized by rules so I not consider legalese as annoying. I might be lose some "shade" cause I am not native speaker, but by 'unreasonable block' I mean lack of reason, block without certain examples which correlate to rules - ungrounded. Thanks for the answer. Craft37by (talk) 08:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Open letter to EdJohnston
Hello, EdJohnston.

Well, I am sorry if I acted emotional in past but that's was caused by removals of the information which I hardly prepared in free time to share. Again, please let me know, what's wrong with my certain additions? Does it lack references? What is criteria of bad references?

Here is the rules around POV ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:POV ) which are informs - 'Please also explain on the article's talk page why you are adding this tag, identifying specific issues that are actionable within Wikipedia's content policies.'

Ed, I never met any explanations in article talk pages from Sabbatino - he just constantly removed by edits all together.

Here is the examples of removals which I collected and they are not explained even month later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_45#Concerned_with_edits_made_by_user_Sabbatino_2

Is it really well? Thanks for you time. Waiting for your answer. Craft37by (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Craft37by, You really like to argue, don't you. Reread the guide to appealing blocks, please.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 11:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My inclination is to block talk page access. The purpose of which is to appeal blocks, not write open letters and argue with admins. I'll leave that for another. I'm also inclined to lengthen the current block, as you don't seem to understand why you were blocked, think this is a debating society, and are apt to cause further disruption when your block expires.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 11:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Repeated failure to address the reason for the block - actively evasive responses, in most cases - and an obvious case of NOTHERE means there is no benefit to keeping access to this page open. Talkpage access revoked; if - as seems likely - your current unblock request is declined, you may appeal via UTRS. Yunshui 雲 水 11:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Please post your evidence at WP:SPI. Might also need a checkuser.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 11:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * CU has been done, the two sock accounts have been blocked and tagged. I've created an SPI at Sockpuppet investigations/Craft37by which is technically ready for archiving since I've completed the CU check; if you want to raise an investigation for the IP addresses I'd suggest you start a new SPI. Yunshui 雲 水  11:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why not just add those IPs to the report about the user? Because it is evident that they belong to the blocked user (random IPs would not just come and restore content). – Sabbatino (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Tidiness. SPIs shouldn't really be edited after they've been closed, and they get closed automatically if (as I did) you add the CU results when creating the page. There would also be some confusion (since CU won't publicly tie IPs to accounts) if they were added to the existing page. Better to create a new section on the report; you can do so here. Yunshui 雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 12:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Sabbatino (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 11:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)