User talk:Craig at Uber

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SantiLak (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, welcome to the English Wikipedia. It's really good to see that you don't intend to edit articles but take part in the discussions. Discussion and consensus form an important part of the backbone of Wikipedia. Thank you, and hope you enjoy your stay here. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:55, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I have to specifically call out your handling of an issue you saw on the Uber (company) page. Instead of editing the article inappropriately, you carefully researched how Wikipedia deals with such matters and took your issue to a carefully worded discussion on the article's talk page. Look, I'm not a huge fan of Uber, but I have to say, you did a wonderful job here. Truly, a shining example and one I wish more companies would follow. Craig, I'm seriously impressed. Nicely done. Welcome to Wikipedia. --Yamla (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Yamla (and Rsrikanth05)! Great to hear such positive feedback from you both, and especially glad to hear that my involvement so far on the Uber page is off on the right foot. Hope you'll both be able to stick around on the page, there's so much to do! Craig at Uber (talk) 19:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Craig, can you please enable email in your preferences so that I can leave you a message? Thanks, --GranCana (talk) 08:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey GranCana. Preference is now enabled, go for it! Craig at Uber (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks Mdann52! Honored to receive my first barnstar and happy to hear that we're doing the right thing! Craig at Uber (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Craig
I wanted to clarify one thing. As you remember, CorporateM said to you on the talk page of the article about the company, "we do not allow Group Accounts. What I mean by that is you are only allowed to contribute to Wikipedia as an individual, and not as a representative of a group of people that control your edits off-wiki."

In reply you said: "I'm the official individual designated by Uber to offer suggestions / make request etc. here" and you then said this means that Craig at Uber is not a group account. I want to take issue with that however. If you are "designated by Uber to offer suggestions / make request etc" then you are representing the company. You are in effect the mouthpiece for what the company wants fixed in the Wikipedia article.

Although folks on Wikipedia have different views about paid editing, as far as I am concerned, your being a mouthpiece for Uber is a problem. Invertzoo (talk) 21:05, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Invertzoo, I appreciate you raising your concern and I understand your skepticism. This is why I am always careful about how I participate. Specifically, I'm following Jimmy Wales' advice that company representatives can give input on talk pages so long as they don't edit articles, and that is what I'm doing. If you have any disagreements about specific suggestions, I am always open to conversation. Thanks! Craig at Uber (talk) 22:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I see that, and it is OK at a routine level. However, there are levels of clever manipulation that are far more sophisticated than that, and those can be used simultaneously while still apparently "toeing the line". Knowing how ruthless Uber can be in promoting their interests, knowing how powerful they are, and knowing how influential a Wikipedia article can be, I would expect Uber to be using the very best possible PR person for the job of working on the Wikipedia article about the company, and that best possible person apparently is you. If you are that good, then you know exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. I don't need to spell it out for you. Invertzoo (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

And if you are indeed a "representative of a group of people that control your edits off-wiki" then this is in effect a group account. Invertzoo (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)