User talk:CraigoryThink

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, CraigoryThink. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Steve Park (comedian), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It is exactly because of our relationship as his talent agents that we know Stephen Park's correct birthday. We have all the documentation to prove it (birth certificate, passport, driver's license, etc.). Please stop removing his correct date of birth at it is vital for his correct age to be displayed for career opportunities.  CraigoryThink (talk) 19:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Steve Park (comedian), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please read both WP:COI and WP:BLP ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * We have his driver's license, passport, social security card and several W2s here at the BRS/Gage Talent agency. It is very important that his correct age be listed, as it can cost him work opportunities. Please don't remove his correct birthday. He was born May 4th, 1962 and we can verify. CraigoryThink (talk) 17:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I note that your initial efforts had the birthday in 1961. Now  it's 1962. It doesn't inspire much confidence.   signed, Willondon (talk)  18:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That was a typo. We have all the documentation to prove his date of birth is May 4th, 1962. What kind of sources are more valid then his personal identification documents? I am at work, and trying to get this corrected, so I don't have the time to find what is considered a reliable source besides the documentation we already have. Please call me at (redacted). It is vital that his wikipedia page lists his correct age. Thank you. CraigoryThink (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * And now the unreliable source you offered says "September 19", not "May 4". What little confidence was inspired is exhaled into the wind.  signed, Willondon (talk)  19:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't costing your client work. WP:BLP requires verifiable reliable sources for biographies of living persons. As a paid employee, you need to read the above template about editing with a conflict of interest and limit yourself to making suggestions on the article talk page. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 17:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Information orange.svg Please do not put personal email addresses and phone numbers into edits, or edit summaries as you did here . Wikipedia supports content only when it is published in reliable sources; it does not accept personal testimony. The current state is that the birth date has been removed entirely, because the original one supplied was not sourced either. As you have a conflict of interest, you should offer any birth date on the article talk page along with a reliable source. Thank you.  signed, Willondon (talk)  18:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We have all of the reliable sources as his talent agents. We have his social security card, driver's license, birth certificate, etc. I cannot share that sensitive material but I am happy to verify this information. You can email or call our office at BRS/Gage Talent agency, if you need further proof. CraigoryThink (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Steve Park (comedian). ''You aren't using reliable sources and you have been repeatedly informed of the conflict of interest guidelines yet you persist in editing the article. Please stop and use the article talk page.'' ThaddeusSholto (talk) 19:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

 You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Steve Park (comedian)) for a period of 1 month for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Bbb23 (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Stop adding private information, both here and in other places on Wikipedia. If you do it again, I will convert this partial block to a sitewide block and revoke Talk page access.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Okay please help me understand how to successfully list his correct age then? I've tried online sources, I've tried official documentation. Please tell me how we can just get his correct age on his Wikipedia page? CraigoryThink (talk) 22:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Where has it been published in an independent reliable source? Other editors need to verify the information. —C.Fred (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've listed every source I can find and I've provided official, government documentation. How is that information not verifiable? Stephen Park is not 73 years old and we are trying everything we can to provide correct information online so that google results stop showing misinformation. It is affecting the way he is insured on set. It is affecting his ability to get cast in age appropriate roles. If every site and link that lists his correct age is not considered "reliable" then how do we prove that this 61 year old man is in fact 61? Please help us. CraigoryThink (talk) 22:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It is affecting the way he is insured on set. I can't imagine that an insurance company will accept the age previously reported by Wikipedia over a birth certificate, driver's license, or other official documentation. Wikipedia, on the other hand, cannot accept such sources, both pursuant to policy and to privacy.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Insurance companies on sets rely on google results to know an actor's age and the cost to insure them. Stephen has to clarify his age on each set, which can cause delays in production and filming. Also casting directors are googling his age when looking at him for roles. Wikipedia is one of the main sources google pulls from so we are trying to remedy this problem everywhere we can. Please help us help our actor. Thanks CraigoryThink (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do without a reliable source. However, your battle has accomplished something: the unsourced 1951 birthdate has been removed, so now it says nothing about when he was born.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Government documents are not reliable sources. WP:BLPPRIMARY has more information, but we do not use court records, birth certificates, or other such documents as sources in articles. —C.Fred (talk) 23:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So how do we list his correct date of birth if every biography of him doesn't list his correct date of birth? Should Stephen Park be expected to write an auto-biography of himself just to get the correct info out there? CraigoryThink (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You can't, and an autobiography would not be a reliable source, either.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)