User talk:CrayonS

Welcome!
Thank you. CrayonS (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Goblin Sword (February 27)
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joe deckertalk 00:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Please keep your AfD comments on one line.
Hi CrayonS, your comments at WP:AFD discussions are welcome, but please keep them on one line in order to avoid cluttering the page. Thanks! Softlavender (talk) 11:06, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello.

Sure. Is a whole paragraph appropriate or strictly on one line?

Thanks CrayonS (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

🖍️ You can add a crayon to your signature 🖍️
🖍️ You can add a crayon to your signature 🖍️ Thought you might like to know 🖍️S.  D r e a m Focus  18:19, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you so much! I never thought of that idea. Also, thank you for contributing to my article. I really appreciate it. Just checking out your talk page (I'm a stalker). <3 and there was a war about war in one of your discussions (the American spelling ones) XD Thanks. 🖍S 10:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. Thank you for pointing that out. I've corrected that by the way. Bots save the day! <3 Thanks 🖍S 10:24, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Your signature
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Oh, sorry. 🖍S 09:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Your 3RR report
Another editor claims that your 3RR report is resolved and there is no more copyright violation. Do you want to comment? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:01, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

oh ok thank you. no comment. 🖍S 15:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, but please fix your signature. See the advice given by others above. EdJohnston (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

thank you. why doesn't it work though? 🖍S (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Go into your preferences at this link and look at the 'Signature' section. Be sure the box is unchecked. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

ok thank you I already have. What format do I need? I've currently got (talk) 🖍S (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why not try leaving a comment in your own sandbox at User:CrayonS/sandbox. That would show you if the signature is linking properly. EdJohnston (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Portrait of Lotte
Hello, CrayonS,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Portrait of Lotte should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Articles for deletion/Portrait of Lotte.

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks,

Vexations (talk) 23:58, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Portrait of Lotte AfD
I've decided to post this here on your talk page because I want to make sure that we discuss only whether Portrait of Lotte is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies at Articles for deletion/Portrait of Lotte.

You asked a number of questions that I will answer. No. There is no such thing as unwanted attention for mainspace articles. If you want to work on an article undisturbed, develop it in your sandbox, or work on it in Draft space, but do not publish the article in mainspace. I came across it as part of my work in Page Curation WP:NPP and found that it does not meet our criteria for inclusion. I'm not required to help, although I almost always do when asked. Had you asked, "Can you help me please?" I would have done so. When I consider an article for deletion, one of the first things I do is consider alternatives for deletion. ONLY when I have decided that there is no way that the the article can be edited to meet our criteria for inclusion, do I nominate it for deletion. I have not offered to help you with Portrait of Lotte, because I don't think there's point to doing so. Because sources are what it's all about. We can rewrite a poor article, but we cannot fix sources. Sources need to be independent and reliable and provide significant coverage of the subject. We analyze those source to see if they meet our criteria.
 * So, please add more to it instead of trying to cause unwanted attention over a page that has just started.
 * Why don't you help?!
 * Why do you want to analyse every single source it uses?
 * Why don't you contribute? Because I had decided that trying to fix the article would be pointless. I did give you link to the Guardian article, | which you used.

A factual correction: I've been forced to get as many sources as possible because of your AfD entry Absolutely not. I have no idea where you got that from. it is much better to cite two good sources that treat a topic in detail, than twenty that just mention it in passing. See Common sourcing mistakes (notability)

Now, there's something I did not mention at the AfD, because I want to follow our policies and guidelines, and that restricts my argumentation a bit. I can't prove it, but I have the impression that commercial interests play a role in the creation of the videos that has not been explored by the sources. Hofmeester is monetizing the videos. First by selling the earliest version of the video to Sprint (via the advertising agency Leo Burnett) and then by creating updates to the video, each time followed by a some coverage in the media. Look at this timeline of all the sources th article cites, and try to find out where almost all the information is coming from. That's that Guardian article I mentioned to you. Almost all the sources come after that source, so it is very likely the real source for all the reporting. When several sources duplicate the information, we don't then attribute that information to many different sources, we point to the real source.

24 September 2012
(Sprint "Girl", via Leo Burnett)
 * [] 23 April 2012
 * [] 26 April 2012
 * [] 26 April 2012

16 April 2013
Portrait of Lotte, 0 to 13 years in 3 ½ minutes. - YouTube
 * [] 13 April 2014

6 June 2014
Portrait of Lotte, 0 to 14 years in 4 minutes. - YouTube
 * [] 23 July 2015

27 October 2015
Portrait of Lotte, 0 to 16 years in 4 ½ minutes. - YouTube
 * [] 28 October 2015

28 October 2017
Portrait of Lotte, 0 to 18 years - YouTube
 * [] 31 October 2017
 * [] 2 November 2017
 * [] 7 November 2017
 * [] 18 December 2017

1 March 2018
Portrait of Lotte, from 18 years to 0 - YouTube

I can see that, in all likelihood, you have no relationship to the subject, and you said as much, but you have been an unwitting accomplice in promoting a commercially manufactured "viral" video. Promotion has no place in Wikipedia, and I am sick and tired of people exploiting the work of volunteers for profit. You got caught up in that. Had I seen your contribution as a benign effort to write about something you genuinely cared about, I would never have AfD'd it, and I would have been happy to help you improve it. Vexations (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you help me please? I would love you to contribute.

Anyway, I've been trying to look for reliable sources, such as The Guardian and TIME of course that cover enough information. I admit that there are some unreliable sources but they will probably be removed anyway. But my previous experiences of Wikipedia show that only having a few citations won't be enough for notability or to even hold it. I've made the Goblin Sword article and people used to argue saying it only had 4 citations to reliable sources claiming that wasn't enough.

I will not engage in any commercial activities and have absolutely no intent to promote anyone's work. I am just a contributor who finds verifiable and notable information and put it on Wikipedia. However, whatever I give feels special because it's my work of getting an article started. There are lots (possibly many) of artisic works out there that are affiliated with a third party. Literally anything with a copyright on it. 🖍S (talk) 09:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. 🖍S (talk) 12:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In the Netherlands (a signatory to the Berne Convention), copyright is is granted automatically to creative, original works. Only a small portion of all creative works are used commercially, by a third party, to advertise a product. Vexations (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

In fact, there are some out there. Make Your Own Kind of Music (song) is a perfect example of a song by Paloma Faith being used in an advertisement for SKODA. After all, we can't have WP:WEASEL. By the way, on Portrait of Lotte, could you use some of the citations for the first paragraph and use them for more general information please? It looks a little bit of a mess. <3 🖍S (talk) 12:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Revision deletion
Hi CrayonS. In case I didn't clarify this enough over IRC, I am not a member of the oversight team myself. I've hidden the content using the RevisionDelete tool so that only administrators can see it, but you will need to contact the oversight team to complete the process. Mz7 (talk) 08:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
Ah. Thank you. <3 🖍S (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!
For all the cup of teas, thank you! Ya' Sir. <3 🖍S (talk) 09:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

 * I have further found cause to require this block to be appealed to the Arbitration Committee only. You can do this by emailing arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org. I do this as a single arbitrator, not acting on behalf of the committee. I will leave them an email shortly. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 11:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Keith Reemtsma
Vanamonde (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)