User talk:Crazycomputers/Archive 6

VandalSniper
Would you mind reviewing the vandal sniper applications list? FirefoxMan 12:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Crazycomputers, thank you for approving me to use VandalSniper. I look forward to using this tool in the near future. Thanks again for your kindness. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks from me too mate. This tool will help me better fight vandalism around our encyclopedia. Thanks again, Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 23:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

VandalSniper
Thanks for approving me. Could you give me a link to download all the main files? And does it work for windows? If not, please notify me when it is. Thanks. -- AAA!  ( AAAA ) 01:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems Downloading VandalSniper
Hi,

I am having problems downloading VandalSniper. Could it be that it does not run on Windows? If would there be a possiblity of a Windows version of VandalSniper coming out soon? And if it does not come out on Windows, would I need to run it on something like Linxus? Sorry for the questions, but I have one more question. If VandalSniper requires Linxus, would I be able to download it or would I have to purchase it? I know this sound kind of silly. Wiki Raja 10:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The VandalSniper page states that a Windows port is currently not available. If you want to use Linux to run it, you might try Debian, which is a free distro.  --Chris (talk) 21:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Star Trek Parodies -- Addendum
Dear Chris, I appologise for my clumsiness -- I am trying to correct another deletion -- That of my own parody contribtion to your site: www.cafepress.com/imjustlikecaptk I'm Just Like Capt. Kirk Because... by Joe King : CafePress.com

also found here:http://www.toon-guy.com/funnypaperz/tomez.htm TOMEZ

I was also a toy designer for Playmates and responsible for all merchandise design and packaging on the STNG product line: http://www.toon-guy.com/funnypaperz/toyz.htm TOYZ

...among other things -- tho not on topic for this page...

Are you able to assist?

Joe King —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.205.251.211 (talk) 09:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC).


 * You may want to have a look at WP:WEB, which describes inclusion criteria for websites, webcomics, and the like. If this does not answer your question, feel free to contact me again.  --Chris (talk) 19:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Access to Vandal Sniper
I would like to talk about my access to Vandal Sniper. I was denied by Omicronpersei8 but I see that he has since then left Wikipedia. I read that you need about 250 edits to get access, and I have close to 300 edits, many of which are vandalism reverts. I would like to know what else I should do in order to get access to Vandal Sniper. --Credema 02:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to make you orange, I've also applied for VS access, I have almost 10K edits and about 5 months here. ST47 Talk 15:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It has only recently occured to me that thoes 250 edits should be mainspace edits. If I am correct I would highly suggest updating the requirements to make it more clear. At the time that I first applied I did not meet this requirement so I have reapplied. --Credema 16:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for reverting the blanking that was done to my user page. 

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port VandalSniper to de.wikipedia.org?
Hi there - I'm de:Benutzer:C-M on de.wikipedia.org and just wanted to start a vandalism-fighting-tool using mono, C# and gecko# ('cause vandalfighter is not realy working) - while searching for an irc-library I found "Projects using SmartIrc4net" and there that your Vandal-Sniper is using it - a tool wich seems to do everything i'd like to do - so, would it be possible to port it to the german wikipedia? We have got our own rc-channel on browne (#de.wikipedia) i think mediawiki will be also quite the same... - if you need some more information you may reach me on my userpage and I will try to heve a look on your page here (why is there no interwiki-watchlist... ;-)) --C-M (de) 20:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There is basic, but untested support in VandalSniper for working on different language Wikipedias. Over the summer I may work on this a bit more.  --Chris (talk) 08:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there a way of getting aproved for de.wikipedia.org? - I'd like to try it... . If you need some information about Vandal-fighting on de or someone for betatesting, here I'm ;) --C-M (de) 10:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, VandalSniper does not even have a way to switch languages at this point. There is support "under the hood" for other language Wikipedias but it has not been tested, and there is currently no way to activate it from the interface.  --Chris (talk) 13:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, User:C-M (de) and me could start developing real multi language support... --Complex (de) 13:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Complex on de

Application
Hi Crazycomputers: It's been a while since I applied as a VS user. Are you backlogged in doing background checks? Anything I can do to help speedup your acceptance (or rejection) of my application? Can I bribe you with a gift basket? :) pbryan 01:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

72.95.168.154
I thought Wikipedia was where people could edit whatever they wanted. Why do people have to delete things relevant to articles? (such as Pittsburgh's black neighborhoods) If that's the case, just delete all the articles about places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.168.154 (talk • contribs)

Another thing
If that's the way you people are going to be, then so be it, but you really should make it so Wikipedia can be edited BY MODERATORS ONLY if you're going to be picky and delete relevant information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.168.154 (talk • contribs)

I was referring to this edit. Taking revenge on other editors is not civil and is not tolerated on Wikipedia. --Chris (talk) 00:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you edit why I added
Are you retarded what I posted had nothing wrong with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GameOver619at (talk • contribs)


 * The content was not appropriate for the article; such content is more relevant in the Wikipedia in popular culture article, where there is already a section on this particular case. Also, your claim that Colbert suggested this because the elephant is the symbol of the republican party is unsubstantiated.  --Chris (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

SNIPE
Appreciate it. I've tried it out, and it works on my Debian system, but I'm unclear how to use it (do I just go to either the Recent Changes or Watchlist tab and click on links to open them up in the browser window and review them?). Also, the preferences menu entry doesn't seem to do anything. --Gwern (contribs) 05:24 25 March 2007 (GMT)


 * Yes, the main function is the Recent Changes tab. Expand the "Filter" view to select what you want to see, then click Refresh to get a list of the last 20 changes that match.  Clicking one will open it in the browser.
 * The Preferences menu item has never done anything, as I haven't got around to implementing preferences yet. --Chris (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

74.36.56.234
I think you might be mistaken, I don't make edits on wikipedia and am not exactly a fan of baseball (I'm a nerd, see). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.56.234 (talk • contribs)


 * It's possible that the edit was made by someone else, as it happened seven hours ago. The IP address may have been leased to someone else then, and your ISP has now assigned it to you.  --Chris (talk) 21:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

User:207.74.196.20
He often vandalizeses an article called Def Jam Vendetta. He always removes Def Jam Vendetta (The Fighters) from this page and I warned him several times not to do this but he ignores me. R@y 06:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also reported him there. R@y 06:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure that this separate page is warranted. Have you considered the possibility that he may be right to remove this link?  At any rate I have added two cleanup tags to Def Jam Vendetta (The Fighters).  --Chris (talk) 08:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I have tagged it as a possible copyvio, as the text was copied and pasted from a FAQ that contains no licensing information. Therefore we have to assume it is copyrighted unless evidence to the contrary is presented.  --Chris (talk) 08:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Def Jam Vendetta (The Fighters) has to be created. Please help me with that. R@y 08:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why does this particular page need to exist? Why can this content not be included in Def Jam Vendetta?  --Chris (talk) 15:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Same
I suspect that 209.219.143.1 and 209.218.163.2 are the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk • contribs)

Hello!


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Biloxi
I only did it to win a bet ... I was gonna change it back, but you beat me to it :-/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.135.222.132 (talk) 05:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Revert on my userpage
Just dropping some thanks for doing that =D  Mattie TK  19:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Any time! Keep up the RC patrol.  --Chris (talk) 04:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleted after improved
The page MySpace Secret Shows was deleted after it was improved to meet Wikipedia's criteria. Could you read it or bring it back so i can point out why it was put up for deletion and what I did to improve it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Martini833 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

VandalSniper Moderation
Could you please look at the list and approve some users? ~ St ep tr ip  00:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

New bot
Rearding User:Crazycomputers/WatchlistBot. When sending an email to that address, do you get the entire email? If so you would get my IP address. — xaosflux  Talk  03:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * XMPP accounts look like email addresses, but are not email addresses. If you tried sending an email there it would bounce.  --Chris (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Solar system
My edit was intended to help solve the problem highlighted on the talk page, I agree it wasn't perfect sbandrews (t) 17:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I know it was in good faith, but "eight" has nothing to do with "dwarf planet." A sentence explaining the situation will help more than a link whose text and destination are completely unrelated.  --Chris (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * yes, but adding a sentence to the lead is always difficult, but I'll try again - only this time please go easier on me - reverts always hurt :), regards sbandrews (t) 17:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but there's no way to get rid of such a link without reverting. No offense intended.  :)  --Chris (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

24.14.246.8
k im done —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.246.8 (talk • contribs)

what?
i thought nick cannon was gay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.38.219 (talk • contribs)


 * If you are going to add claims like that to an article about a living person, you must be extremely careful to cite it, per WP:BLP. Feel free to add the material back with a proper citation.  --Chris (talk) 06:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Woodwinder

 * I'm willing to walk away from this, and I recognize that I haven't been very nice. It's just that none of this would have happened if he had left his message, hostile as it was, on my talk page before vandalizing articles.  It all combined to be too much for me to deal with. JuJube 06:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it can be tough, but in the future if you find yourself losing your cool then take a short break from editing, walk around, get a drink, etc, and try not to think about the conflict. Then when you come back I think you'll find yourself able to evaluate it better.  --Chris (talk) 07:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Possibility that the "#" symbol is related to C++++

 * I have copied this discussion to Talk:C Sharp. Please continue the discussion there.  --Chris (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

C++++ may be speculation. However I think it may be speculation that the musical note statement is complete and factual as to the original idea of the name.

Apparently, the email is from a customer service agent. An email from a lead architect or executive would be a more authoritative source. Also, I question whether Microsoft Corporation is a neutral source in this case. Even if the original idea was C++++, the company representatives may state otherwise based on marketing or legal reasons. Instructions to present it this way may come from top executives in the company. (It is wrong to be dishonest but do we doubt that there has been dishonesty in the business world?)

I think the increment of ++ is more logical than the analogy of the sharp symbol as half step up (in tone). Is it a coincidence that the sharp symbol is also four plus signs combined?

You say that I have no valid citation (based on Wiki rules.) That is one reason.

I have three proposed reasons why C++++ should carry as much weight if not more than the muscial note statement:

1. The source is not reliable enough - customer service.

2. It is not neutral. It is a billion dollar corporation with marketing and legal motives.

3. Logic: C++++ is more logical from the C language perspective.

By the way, I think the C# language itself is excellent. I already use it and plan to continue to use it.

Coder1024 21:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Customer service from the organization that invented the language.
 * They are also the definitive source.
 * No it isn't,  will not compile.  It makes no more sense than using musical notation.
 * --Chris (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

It is still the customer service department. I don't think this is finalizing research if you want to be official about sources.

Yes, they invented the language. That is my point. They are not neutral. (Sadly) A billion dollar company may avoid disclosure based on business interests.

> ... c++++; will not compile.

First of all, there is no rule that the concept has to compile.

Secondly. Consider this:

c = 0;

c++;

c++;

That does compile and notice that it is a sqaure formation that compiles! Just like the "#" symbol!

Coder1024 21:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This still seems to me more like somebody's pet theory that got propagated across the web than anything reliable. --Chris (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you relying on Microsoft Corporation as a neutral (billion dollar business) and reliable (customer service) source to decide that you have the authority to delete others' posts? It may very well be that the original idea for the name is the four plus signs. Sources must be neutral and reliable.

Do you think that Microsft Corporation would state the actual history of the name rather than a marketing explanation if there was a business interest? Do you think there is a business interest in disconnecting C# from C++? I think there very well may be. If C# is based on C++++ (or similar form) then people who use C++ may observe that C# is not really the next step in C++. Since C++0x is actually the next step in C++, C++ users may wait for that rather than switch to C# if C# is trying to be C++++. C++0x would mean that C# is not the real C++++ in the eyes of C++ users. Don't you think Microsoft Corporation would realize that? Many people are already debating whether to use C++ or C# more heavily. So any ambiguity or doubts about C# could cause C++ users to stay with C++.

Also, most Linux developers use C++. Would it not be a business interest of Microsoft Corporation to have C++ users using C# so they will be less skilled in C++ which is the main language used for Linux development?

Therefore I think to claim the source as neutral is just as shaky if not shakier than what you call "somebody's pet theory". Wikipedia is a public arena that is to be neutral and free from politics including the ability of billion dollar corporations to influence what is recorded.

If a standard is going to be held to, then it should be held to consistently. Therefore the musical note explanation should be deleted. Since the musical note explanation may be a product marketing fallacy or emphasis, it cannot be considered a solid source.

Coder1024 00:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically, according to your points, we have no "reliable" sources on the language name, so how about we just delete the whole section?


 * On the first point, of course Microsoft could influence the name of the language, in the same way that the language developers could. They could have come up with the name for whatever reason, but used any explanation in a published work on the subject.  So they are incorrect, but it would be a reliable source by most people's standards.  So this supposed reliable source that doesn't exist is just as fallible as the ones presented now.


 * On the Linux front, you might want to actually hang out with Linux developers before making such a sweeping judgment. Very few of the developers I talk to use C++, with the exception of the KDE crowd.  Most use C, Perl, or even C# (with Mono).  So I'd suggest doing your research on that one.


 * No offense, but the question of a billion dollar company influencing what is recorded seems like BS to me. They invented the language.  Why are we citing web tutorials that speculate about the language name without even citing their own source when we have a letter from the company that invented and named the language?  What would you consider a reliable source to me?  This seems pretty much like as close to a primary source as you can get.


 * Also as an afterthought, I'd appreciate it if you'd make one edit to my talk page instead of constantly refactoring your messages. Use the preview button.  I get a notice whenever you edit this page, but I don't feel like I can reply because the notices keep popping up, so I have to wait until they've stopped for a half hour before it makes any sense to respond.  --Chris (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

> On the Linux front...Very few of the developers I talk to use C++.

Microsoft Corporation's hold on the market is largely due to OS capabilities and hardware support (granted app compatibility is key also). The Linux OS itself and drivers are mainly written in C/C++. Therefore, if people focus on C++ this increases the pool of people whose talents are helpful to Linux. Do you doubt that Microsoft Corporation wants to steer people to C# for this reason? I don't.

Reliability is dependent upon neutrality. If a source is not neutral then reliability loses its bearing. Therefore Microsoft can neither be considered neutral nor reliable.

Microsoft "invented" the language. "Invented" in quotes becuase they hired a Delphi developer who also drew from C++ and Java. Don't you think the CLR garbage collection ("managed") is based on Java? The GC idea for Java itself probably originated from Cedar (based on Mesa). Bill Joy was interested in Mesa. Mesa was invented by Xerox. Speaking of Xerox, isn't that where much of the window GUI ideas came from? Microsoft is a business. A responsible Wiki article separates corporate marketing (and potential fallacies) from factual information.

The article should at least qualify that the company "represents" the name to be based on a musical note but that this does not mean that the factual origin of the name is not some other source (e.g. developer's use of four '+'s). Because, using Microsoft Corporation as a source, that's all you can really say that is known for sure - that this is how the company (customer service representative) "represents" the basis of the name. One cannot claim that a corporate business representative is a source for historical factual information. Look at the history of the term "windows". If you look up the history of the graphical user interface right in Wikipedia, you will find that Xerox called it "WIMP" (windows, icons, menus, and pointers). The wiki section on Microsoft Windows (R) has no reference to that and it does not discuss the history of the name. Consider why the Microsoft Windows (R) wiki article does not discuss where the idea for the OS name came from! The term windows was in use long before the Microsoft usage. Even "Microsoft DirectX (R)" probably means direct "X windows"! Look at "basic", "office", "word", "net". So many of Microsoft's products are named after commonly used terms. Therefore it is reasonable to think that C to C++ to double "++" was the original idea for the name. It seems highly questionable that it is based on musical notes. I think the article may be posting corporate marketing as factual historical information and misleading people based on a non-neutral source as what the facts really are. So yes, it should be clarified to present a realistic un-biased picture to the reader.

Coder1024 03:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I had written a reply, but my browser decided it would rather crash before I saved it. Of course this was in the middle of an edit conflict with you, so I must again ask that you edit this page once when you are posting a message.  There is a nifty "Show preview" button that you can use, as well as edit messages in your userspace and then paste them here.  I'm getting tired of having to reload the edit page to reply to you.  I'm not trying to be mean, but this is getting very irritating.


 * C is the main language used to develop the Linux kernel and most services and utilities. C++ is used primarily by KDE folk.  I haven't seen it used much elsewhere, except perhaps with games.  There is also a large volume of desktop software for Linux being written in C#.  This page lists quite a few, but is not complete.  So this idea that Microsoft is trying to get people to switch to C# for its own benefit is invalid.  Many of these applications won't even run on Windows.  If they wanted to keep the language for Windows they would not have standardized either C# or the CLR.


 * If you want to talk about using neutral sources then I'd suggest removing every citation of CNN from Wikipedia. Of course, you really shouldn't, as this would violate WP:POINT, but you see where I'm going.  Sources are inherently biased, CNN being a more extreme example, but I challenge you to find me one truly unbiased source.


 * I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by marking C#'s similarities to Java. (Which, in fact, are totally unrelated to C#, but are properties of the Common Language Runtime.)  Yes, Microsoft copied some things from Java.  What does this have to do with the name of the language?


 * It should also be noted that the EMCA spec defines the pronunciation of the language name as "C Sharp," and while this is not definitive proof that "sharp" refers to the musical note, it does agree with Microsoft's position, so it may be considered circumstantial evidence. In the current article text it says "Microsoft clarifies the language name as follows:" before it makes a reference to the email.  So the article does qualify that the company is saying this.  --Chris (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

>Yes, Microsoft copied some things from Java. What does this have to do with the name of the language?

You said they "invented" C# as a basis for their reliability as a source. I am showing that "invented" does not mean that the company is necessarily giving factual information about the name. I gave many other examples of product names such as the OS that are not names they originated even though they developed the technology. I also pointed out that the wiki article on the OS does not even discuss the history of the name. So I have given many examples showing that Microsoft Corporation is not a neutral or reliable source regarding names since the majority of the names of their key products are based on previous terms (even though they invented/developed the technology). Therefore the evidence is against C# as being based on musical notes even if that is what the company represents.

> If they wanted to keep the language for Windows they would not have standardized either C# or the CLR.

They are a business and I'm sure they spend much time strategizing. It's "standard" and they need to be ready in case Linux does take off, so that they can use their framework on it. However they control the "standard". Also Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup, the inventor of C++, sees that Microsoft ties languages to the OS: Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup on the subject

> ...I'd suggest removing every citation of CNN from Wikipedia

It is you who are deleting posts in this case - not me :-) You are being lax about neutrality and I am being lax about sources. If one is to interpret the rules then one must be consistent.

> So the article does qualify that the company is saying this.

The purpose of the wiki is to present factual historical information - not to present potential marketing fallacies and justify it because the source is given. That's like saying drinking 15 cans of cola a day is healthy and quoting a soda company as the source. It is clear that the source is not neutral so there is nothing hidden there, true. However, presenting the information itself is useless since the claim that drinking 15 cans of cola a day is healthy is not factual information.

If the article did not even discuss the origin of the name this would make it consistent with the article about the OS that keeps a clear focus on the OS as a product. There is a separate article for the history of GUI. There could be a separate article for the history of C-like language names.

Coder1024 05:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to have this guilty-until-proven-innocent notion on Microsoft's reliability as to the origin of the names of their products. You have cited numerous examples of where various names have come from, but I don't see any citations that show Microsoft disagreeing with them.  The evidence is not "against" C# being based in music according to your arguments, there just isn't any evidence of it... at least I think that's what you're trying to say.


 * On the closeness of C# to Windows, the link you've provided does no better than the web tutorial you are using to justify the C++++ naming theory. "X is true" is not justification, it's someone's unreliable opinion.  He has not demonstrated that C# as a language is tied to the Windows platform, and in fact it is not.  The framework libraries commonly used with C# are, however, but this says nothing about the language itself.


 * On laxness of reliability, I am being consistent. I haven't argued against CNN, just said that no source is completely neutral.  So again, I don't see your point there.  You will also note that I have not deleted your "post" since this discussion began, because it would be premature to do so.  I am merely arguing that you get a better source for your claim, if one exists.  IMHO, Microsoft is far more reliable than some random web tutorial.  You may disagree with that, but that's the position I'm arguing from.


 * Yes, the purpose of Wikipedia is to present factual information. I would hardly consider speculation in a web tutorial factual information.  You may consider using Microsoft as a source to be the same.  So we are simply in disagreement about the other's source.


 * The article discusses the origin of the name because it is apparently of interest, seeing as the article was warred over regarding it well before either of us started editing it. There are strong sentiments on both sides, and while I would not object to a trimming of the section, we should at least keep the parts that are verifiable: that the octothorpe (#) is used in the typed form of the name, and not the musical sharp symbol.


 * (But if the musical sharp symbol was used in literature before the standard was widely known, is that not evidence of the name's origin? Why would they put four +'s together and then use the sharp symbol, instead of just using "#"?  The sharp symbol does not look like four +'s merged, but it could represent two L's, one rotated.  In that light, the origin in the musical notation symbol seems to make a lot more sense to me.  Just a thought.)


 * If you do not object to this idea I might fork the article and work towards a solution that uses none of these sources. --Chris (talk) 06:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have copied this discussion to Talk:C Sharp. Please continue the discussion there.  --Chris (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

VS bug
Hi! I finally got around to setting up VS on my new Ubuntu 7.04 installation. I got an error when executing ./vs.exe: Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Gecko.WebControl ---> \n System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so at (wrapper managed-to-native) Gecko.WebControl:gtk_moz_embed_get_type at Gecko.WebControl.get_GType [0x00000] at GtkSharp.GeckoSharp.ObjectManager.Initialize [0x00000] at Gecko.WebControl..cctor [0x00000] --- End of inner exception stack trace ---

at   at VandalSniper.MainWindow.newBrowser (System.String url) [0x00000] at VandalSniper.MainWindow..ctor [0x00000] at VandalSniper.MainWindow.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] I am assuming that I need libgtkembedmoz.so, but I don't know where to find it. What does that mean? ST47 Talk 20:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just looked and I do have /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so, and it's owned by root and set as 644. ST47 Talk 20:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This may mean that your installation of Firefox is too old. --Chris (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked with synaptic and it's the latest version, I even tried reinstalling it, still get the same error. I'll reboot later to see if that does anything. ST47 Talk 22:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I found a solution in your archives, running "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox/" works. ST47 Talk 23:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Then I got a segfault right after logging in :( ST47 Talk 23:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And Now I've gotten as far as getting an edit and clicking the appropriate revert button, followed by a

./vs.exe Segmentation fault (core dumped)
 * ST47 Talk 23:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Most likely this is a binary compatibility issue with the .so file. At this point I'd just advise you to wait for the rewrite I'm working on.  It won't have any weird .so files.  (Another option is to compile the jscall# glue library yourself, which will ensure that it matches your system.)  --Chris (talk) 01:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How do I do that? ST47 Talk 16:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the stanza I use in the VS build process. You might need to adjust it for your system, and you'll almost certainly need to install some development packages so you have all the headers.
 * --Chris (talk) 19:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * --Chris (talk) 19:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

email From Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup the Inventor of C++
Hello, I just received an email from Dr. Bjarne Stroustrup. He states that he knows that the four plus signs is the "historically correct" origin of the '#'. Coder1024 20:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Feel free to publish it at Talk:C Sharp. --Chris (talk) 20:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

As you know, I have placed some of the key quotes from his emails in the talk page. This puts it on par with the other source about the symbol I would think. The original idea apparently came from the four '+'s but Microsoft decided to use the musical note symbol. So (and I think you mentioned this) we have two facts: 1. Yes, the symbol itself is the musical note sharp symbol and 2. the origin of the "sharp-like" symbol is the four '+'s.

Coder1024 02:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hello,

I was directed to Vandal Sniper by a user after my inquiry about Vandal Proof or a similar program that would be compatible with Mac OS X. Where can I download this program and is its functionality similar to that of VandalProof?

Thanks, (and please reply to my talk page)

Curran (talk)  20:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiguard
Thanks a lot for pointng me to Wikiguard! I appreciate that, because that's just what I was looking for! Cheers, Curran (talk)  14:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiGuard
Hello, Chris, I have since downloaded Wikiguard and I see that it's a very powerful program. I was wondering why my edits (reverts) don't seem to take effect? Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Curran (talk)  17:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Inbox Alert
You have email ;-) cheers ~ Anthøny 22:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A previously abusive user added a useful, but unsourced and unsigned, edit to Irish Americans in New York City, who I think was JJonathan. Bearian 23:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent comments
You made very good points on User:Gracenotes' RfA. I've not voted on it either, not sure If I will, but I do share your feelings on the matter. Thanks for speaking up about it. daveh4h 06:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know you agree. It's not often that happens; usually I only hear when people disagree.  :)  --Chris (talk) 06:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Atlantic Records
Thanks for your message. As per your suggestion, I changed the citation to back up the revision. Steelbeard1 11:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Another source which cites 1955 as when Neshui joined Atlantic is . Steelbeard1 11:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, let's start a discussion in the Atlantic Records talk page. Steelbeard1 11:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)