User talk:CreakyJoints

Request for sourcing on John Duggan (rugby)
Hi, thanks for expanding this article's background section! I noticed that there wasn't any citation on the quote, nor could I find a source by Googling the text. If you could provide a source, I'd greatly appreciate the help. Soweli Rin (talk) 05:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. The source is predominantly personal memory of conversations over the years with my father who is the subject of the entry. I have sent my edited version to his youngest sister (my aunt) to check I have correctly recalled the events as far as she is able to confirm them related to the time he spent in Yorkshire before migrating to New Zealand which is where I was born. I have a copy of John's birth certificate which clearly states he was born at 1 Georges Square in Wakefield along with the names and occupations of his parents. I could cite this certified copy as a public record but I doubt this is of great interest in context of the article which is centred on John's prowess as a rugby and rugby league player in the 1940's to early 50's. I have not edited the key contents of the original entry which were written I imagine by a rugby league fan in Yorkshire. I wanted to add my bit about his background before the memory was lost entirely and believe that it may be of interest to future generations of authors, players and also to John's descendants.  I am a retired clinical academic well familiar with the issue of verification that you raise. I will happily delete the edited version if that is policy now but raise the plea that the edited portion is clearly identified as such in the text and is clearly a personal recollection. John now has severe dementia and can't corroborate anything. The late Maurice Greenhalgh I knew from childhood in New Zealand and indeed for some years we lived in the same street. John's position in FS Tyler Ltd is verifiable from a newspaper article in the New Zealand Herald or Auckland Star but I no longer have a copy of this. FS Tyler Ltd was a privately listed company so there is no public record of shareholders which included John. I worked at FS Tyler Ltd for almost 5 years during John's time as managing director. Ray Cody was a well known sports commentator from the early days of TV in New Zealand (one public channel) and I imagine Ray's existence as claimed could still be verified but there is no possibility of verifying the claim that Ray conversed with John about anything. I think you will agree that the balance of probability is in favour of this all being being true, in part because John was a very well known rugby league player about whom there are numerous newspaper clippings (he even had his own column which I suspect was ghost written), in part because of the close personal relationships referred to, and because there is no particular reason to fabricate such an event and certainly nothing to gain by it. The Dysart family connection is verifiable and I need to check the accuracy of the number of generations before my mother appeared, but again it is really incidental and added for a bit of flavour and to flesh out the life of a man whom I love and admire still. I wanted in a modest way to show that John was a decent man as well as a highly accomplished footballer but also to highlight that fame is as fleeting as life is short. I plan to update the entry after John has passed. The bit of the edit I feel uncomfortable about is identifying myself as the source but that is purely because the article is not about me. I would remove my name in a flash if it is not required to indicate the addition is genuine.  Regards Paul 118.210.35.154 (talk) 04:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC)