User talk:Createsparks

recreating Honda Advanced Technology
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Hairhorn (talk) 12:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to contribute to Honda Advanced Technology because it's the R&D department of Honda and am not promoting the brand. I'm also trying to be as factual as I can, but can you please advise because this is new to me? Thanks.Createsparks (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * By all means, create the article but please don't copy content directly from here because that is copyrighted by Honda as stated at the bottom of that page. We cannot accept copyrighted text and it will be deleted. – B.hotep •talk• 13:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I SEE. But... if it's supposed to be factual... I just thought then there are some sentences which I cannot mess with? Meaning, I will have to rewrite the entire article myself? But what if some of the 'facts' are not accurate?Createsparks (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You should also read the spam and sock puppet policies. Cheers. Hairhorn (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Wiki is for great English writers :S So my contribution needs to be original? But if I want to write about Honda R&D, is that consider promoting Honda brand? Cause I'm writing about what they do? And if I'm writing on what they are doing, I guess to a certain extent it's because I buy into what they do? Is that consider promotion? Hmm... I'm confused.Createsparks (talk) 13:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Facts are backed up by verifiability and reliable sources – this is the cornerstone of Wikipedia and all it is about. Yes, you have to write things in your own words, and they have to be backed up with what can be verified by reliable sources; therefore, this could equal "the truth" as you put it – but Wikipedia is more interested in verifiable information than "the truth", which is subjective. – B.hotep •talk• 13:18, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, and if you write things in your own words with a neutral point of view, it cannot be considered spam. – B.hotep •talk• 13:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I try again and you help me to edit? Or point out my flaws? Cause I'm new and I'm really really not very good at this...Createsparks (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you create what you want to write here, I will certainly have a look if I have time. Thinking about it though, wouldn't it make sense to expand the section about Honda R&D in the Honda article? Either way, create it using the link in this reply (it will be out of main article space for now) and take it from there. – B.hotep •talk• 15:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I've added into the sandbox... is this Wiki style? Hmm, I'm really confused also.. the difference between reference and citation... and external links. May I know, where do all the other people get their information from? I mean, surely it must be from the same official source. But if I do that, wouldn't that again be infringing the rights? Hmmm.Createsparks (talk) 16:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * There is essentially no difference between a reference and a citation. A citation is the way a reference is used, i.e. you cite a reference. As it is now, the article in progress still lacks a bit of neutrality, but that can be rectified easily enough (I will have a look later). What you really need to do is find references from third party sources – have any newspapers, magazines or journals covered Honda's R&D work? They must have done because I remember seeing that robot on a TV programme not so long ago. This is the sort of thing needed to make the article well-referenced – sources other than Honda itself. There is still a bit of work to do, but with a bit of patience (and a lot of resource!) it may well make it to the standard required to "go live" in main article space. – B.hotep •talk• 07:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you have already transferred it to main space. That's ok. I will delete it from your user space so effort can be focussed on the main space article (good job I didn't start working on the original). Please heed what I said above though. – B.hotep •talk• 07:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, yea I got excited >.< And I'm glad I posted it because there's a box from Wiki which actually said what you said, that it lacks that Wiki tone. I think I'm still trying to get the hang of it... I've also seen a lot of other sources covering Honda R&D, just that I didn't realise I have to remember all of them! It's so difficult to recall now! :) But it's okay, it seems to me now, it's more interesting to see how I can Wiki-fy the article instead.  Please please please feel free to work on the article on the main page!  Maybe then you can teach me a thing or two (or more).  Thanks very much for your advice.  I'll work on my writing skills.  He heCreatesparks (talk)


 * Hi. To save any future problems. Please only use ONE account. I suggest this one. I presume the other accounts which have edited the article are the same user as yourself, please correct me if I'm wrong. – B.hotep •talk• 09:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry, I was actually getting a friend to teach me. So that I could see the difference and how it's done. Er. Should I ask her to stop editing?Createsparks (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)