User talk:CreativeCracker

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Speedy deletion nomination of Birdastic


A tag has been placed on Birdastic, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Status and Advice

 * As reviewing administrator, I deleted the article. On the now deleted talk p. you said : "Contested deletion[edit source]

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because it was created as to fulfill the requirements of an academic course of a bachelor degree whereby this article describes a scenario on which a project's scope, rationale and solution is explained. This does not tend to promote any product or commercial attribution."

You are therefore right that this deletion reason is not appropriate.

However, we also speedy delete articles  "which plainly indicates that the subject was invented/coined/discovered by the article's creator or someone they know personally, and does not credibly indicate why its subject is important or significant. "

I therefore deleted it using that reason. WP is an encycopedia,and it is not appropriate for an encycopedia to have school projects on hypothetical subjects which do not actually exist.  DGG ( talk ) 18:04, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Based on my own interpretation and also as I've seen from my experience seeing articles that deleted after submission by others, articles like this one do qualify for WP:CSD G11 deletion as promotional. Per the guideline, '"Promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc.' [italics mine]. In other words, G11 covers advocacy pieces, articles written to promote of a point of view (or, to use the word from db-g11, an idea).


 * After a thesis statement presenting a problem to be solved, this article's substance consisted of three sentences beginning "We need to", followed by the author's proposal for a solution. It was an advocacy piece. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * First of all, what does it matter? I did delete it. Second, I do use a quite broad concept of "promotion", and have argued for it being used broadly in hundreds of afd discussions, and I am very accustomed to explaining to contributors that promotion includes advocacy.  This was an exercise, not a real project. No idea is being promoted--a concept created for a classroom is presented.   Certainly the students expect to get graded for it, and that is their purpose in contributing, but I do not see that as either promotion or advocacy.  I see our G12 criterion as having been adopted to quite deliberately include this sort of material (in addition to a good deal else) (FWIW, I originally opposed the introduction of G12 for fear it would be used too widely, but my fear has proven unfounded and the criterion has been sometimes quite useful). I suppose you could open a discussion at WT:CSD about which reason is appropriate, if you really think it would make a difference and be worth the trouble. You mentioned other similar cases--can you give me some  examples?   DGG ( talk ) 20:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)