User talk:Creolus

August 2020
Hello, I'm Sysages. I noticed that you recently removed content from Abd-ru-shin without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Sysages (talk | contribs) 03:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

By "unreliable sources" you mean Abd-ru-shin's own book. Good to know. Really, you should read Talk:In the Light of Truth: The_Grail Message. Tgeorgescu (talk) 10:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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Reformulated:


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From the horse's mouth
"EPILOGUE

Abdruschin has now completed His Message to mankind. In him has arisen

IMANUEL,

the Envoy of God, the Son of Man, whose coming to judge and to save those who have not cut themselves adrift from salvation, was foretold by Jesus the Son of God in corroboration of the prophecies of the prophets of old. He carries the insignias of His high Office: the living Cross of the Truth radiating from Him and the Divine Dove above Him, the same in-signias as were borne by the Son of God.

Awaken, oh man! For your spirit is asleep!"

- Abdruschin

"Newspapers in all countries published reports of the mysterious “castle” on Vomperberg, of which I was supposed to be the owner! I was described as “the Messiah of the Tyrol” or “the Prophet of Vomperberg” with great and prominent headlines, even in the leading newspapers which wish to be taken seriously! There were weird and mysterious accounts of numerous underground tunnels, of temples, of knights both in black and silver armour, of an unheard-of cult, also of great parks, automobiles, stables, and whatever else could be invented by the diseased brains that can report such things. Details were quoted, some based on beautiful phantasy and others so disgustingly filthy that anyone giving a little thought to the matter could not fail immediately to recognise the lies and malevolence behind it!

And there was not one word of truth in any of these reports!"

- Abd-ru-shin

Not a word of truth about the Messiah of the Tyrol? Seriously? Just compare the two quotes! He lied through his teeth, err, fingers. Yup, journalists have read what he wrote. That way they knew about his messianic claims. I did not read the claims about knights in armor, but those could have been sarcasm (satirical). Since he wrote he is the Messiah, they must have thought this man is crazy, let's make sport of him! The journalists were deriding him and they let him know it. That's why he complained in the Message of the Grail that he was crucified through ridicule. The journalists noticed that he made larger than life claims about himself. One man's religion is another man's laughing stock.

Note: in EU his book is public domain, and in the US the use of quotes falls under fair use. So, of course, I own the book: in my country everyone owns it. That's what "public domain" means: all the public owns it. If you don't like it, your sole remedy is to never set foot in the EU. Since if you had set foot in the EU you have recognized my intellectual property of the book. I own the copyright for the book, same as every other EU inhabitant. There's no need to pay me money for it, since you can always find an EU inhabitant who is entitled to donate this book to you. Should I say sarcasm warning? Tgeorgescu (talk) 09:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)