User talk:Cribananda/Archive 1

You said that you're a native speaker of Tamil so I wanted to let you know that I'll soon be starting a List of Spanish words of Dravidian origin (along with many others...se habla?) within the next week or so. Once it's started this link will go from red to blue and I would love to have any input/help that you can offer. Cheers.--Hraefen 19:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey Cribananda, I thought I'd let you know that the Dravidan words from Spanish are at List of Spanish words of various origins. There didn't end up being enough there to make a whole list of just Dravidian.  Peace.--Hraefen 02:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Good work
Hi Cribananda. I appreciate your concern about Kollywood and related articles. Be bold in improving the articles. You might also be interested in contributing to the Tamil wikipedia. Also, the following links may be of interest to you. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Response on Elvenscout742's talk page
Please check out my reply at []. ---Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
regd: PSBB edit lolz....thanks for the addition of T.Nagar to that! I forgot about it though I studied in the very same school! Havent seen you around though. What do you do? What do you think of my merging Chennai Schools to Chennai. Keep in touch. Vanakkam. __--__  Rohit 18:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * lolz...vanikam machi! San Francisco?? Yeah...there are a lot more schools to add...either we should remove the headline tags and just mark them as bullets or we would have to revert back to Chennai schools. I was going thru your userpage and found that Bhagavad Gita does need lot of clean up...do you think these many external links within the page is required? I might put this up in the talk page of the article too...--  Rohit 03:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah sure...i'll see what I can do. The page scares me though. How could anyone try to tell what Gita has told in such small space?. ;-) --  Rohit 03:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Tamil script rendering
Hi Cribananda. The version of the Tamil text that I've restored is correct Unicode. It renders incorrectly to many users (including me!), because of a problem with Firefox. It needs to be fixed. You might also want to read ta:Wikipedia:Font help and ta:Wikipedia:தமிழில் புகுபதிகை செய்வது எப்படி?. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

commercial/residential
i have changed it. i have given the reason on the talk page...have the civility to discuss before u revert. this applies to both srinivasa ramanujam's page and also t nagar page

Admin help
I'll have a look at the anon sometime later. But, you can approach any of the Category:Indian administrators and/or drop a note at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Tamil Cinema wikicities
can u plese contribute to newly started wikicities Tamil cinema lovers. It's in Tamil. plese join with tamil cinema lovers. --Mayooresan 11:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

List of English words of Tamil origin
please see this, i have put something regarding your query

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_English_words_of_Tamil_origin#ISBN

Very very out of date...
Apologies for the weirdo number of 600 million for pop of India: I still think of the UK as 50 mill. Things we learnt at school... *sigh* But it does annoy me that anyone should use the word "foreign" like that on an international website! Ah well, cheers for correction, JackyR | Talk 23:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

600 million Indians? Honestly, Ms. Rodger! And how many people are there in China!? Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 17:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't mind Zyx, he's my wiki-shadow :-) And I well remember the build-up to China hitting the (US) billion mark. It felt incredible that any nation would ever get there, so actually my jaw dropped yesterday when I read the India figure - for the country, not even the sub-continent. Yer live'n'learn... JackyR | Talk 18:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah well, talk to Zyx: he's in the beautiful south. My own plea would be Go To Zimbabwe, Spend Money There. They really, really need it right now. And Victoria Falls followed by a few days in nearby Hwange National Park is actually a pilgrimage everyone should make or watch.


 * Yeah, African featured articles. So much to be done, so few people to do it. Must get back to those caterpillars... JackyR | Talk 18:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

IIT
Hi,

Thanks for the improvements in the IIT article. I have edited it to take care of your concerns. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

On call
Still up on call. Not much is happening at the hospital tonight. -- Samir  धर्म 09:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Quiz
knock knock. Need to sleep :), waiting for a response @ PINQ. =Nichalp   «Talk»=
 * Me too. Please check out, I've left an answer.-- May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91(review me!) 19:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter. I wasn't kept awake. I was up an hour after that programming, till 2 am, and I woke up again at 6 am. (OK you can call me crazy now :) BTW, I've posted Q20 so go and check it out -- May the Force be with you!  Shr e shth91(review me!) 04:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No probs, I was dying to go to sleep, and wanted to know if my potshots in the dark had a chance at striking gold. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

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Templates
For a start, you can read Templates. As you can see here, they're like normal articles with a prefix Template:. In addition, they can take in parameters which you can substitute. See the example. Feel free to ask me if you've any problems with that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 05:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Discuss/E-mail box
You are welcome to use it. Why don't you put it on the talk page too? Just a suggestion. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 13:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

PINQ
Congrats on your Round 5 win! -- Samir  धर्म 04:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC) Congrats! I believe this template is yours!

 Noble eagle   (Talk)   04:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's pretty much a userbox that signifies something you've done on Wikipedia.  Noble eagle   (Talk)   06:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your well wishes! My sleep schedule is so screwed up right now. I have a full office tomorrow and I can't sleep at all! -- Samir  धर्म 06:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

More to add to your userpage
Don't forget to add this! Cheers -- Samir  धर्म 06:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Smile 

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing! --Bhadani 13:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism revert
Appreciated! Hope all is well -- Samir  धर्म 21:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose this week's WP:AID winner
- Davodd 05:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
Hi cribananda. I am new to wikipedia and did not know the NPOV rule. I just went through the chennai article and saw the changes you have made and understood my mistakes. Wont repeat the mistake again. Thanks once again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charukesi (talk • contribs)

Happy Birthday
Hi,

Saw what you noted in my RfA. So it would be a "Happy Birthday" wish from me. Guess that would be self-referential. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
A little early! Hope all is well! -- Samir  धर्म 01:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday from me 2 -- Lost(talk) 04:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ray FAC
Ray is now a FA candidate. thanks,--ppm 21:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Adi Shankara FAC
Regarding your comments at Featured article candidates/Adi Shankara, I've done a major copy-edit of the article. Do check it out. --Babub→ Talk 08:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi regarding the "present tense" in the article, I wanted to say these mathas (abbeys) played an important historical role and continue to do so today.--Babub→ Talk 07:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Removed redundancy, I think its ok now. Thanks for the complements. --Babub→ Talk 07:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You commented in the old FAC. Have your say in the new FAC of Adi Shankara. --Dwaipayan (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Hi Cribananda, thanks for the heads up on the images. I've re-tagged them, but I doubt that they would qualify as fair use for Tamil films under the new fair use discussions (see WP:ANI for the past few days...) Hope all is well -- Samir   धर्म 06:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC) ]?

The lighted path
Hi. Do you know about Diwali? I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 16:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delayed delayed greetings from me as well! (Let's call it Happy Hallowe'en instead!)  Hope all is well! -- Samir धर्म  05:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Good call on the Bollywood article
That bit re Switzerland/Kashmir was contributed by an editor who isn't around much any longer -- he's the guy who runs the Bollywhat site, which is a good place for complete Bollywood novices (Western novices) to start. As soon as he said it, it seemed obvious to me. If you're sweltering in a hot summer and don't have air conditioning, watching people disport themselves in snow, water, and cool mountain meadows has to be a relief. If you can't afford to summer in Darjeeling, you can watch other people do so.

However, there's no proof for this. None at all. If you think it must go, then do it. Zora 07:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bharatanatyam
Hi Cribananda, agree with you entirely. I've removed many of the pictures. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 00:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: History of Tamil Nadu
Hi Cribanada, the sentence says "..predates 600CE", not BCE. The citations points out that there are mentions of the Tamil kingdoms in the Asokan edicts and in other scattered epigraphical evidence prior to the period from which we have concrete and definite information on the Tamil kingdoms. I hope the sentence now makes sense. - Parthi talk/contribs 09:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

your question
Hi Cribananda - I'm not gonna answer your question on the RfA page becoz it is not pertinent to adminship (I would also advise against asking unrelated questions on RfAs) but I will answer here. I speak Gujarati, Hindi and English at the "native" level. I began learning all three languages when I was very young and I can't remember the one I learnt first. Its like Krishna's relationship with Devaki and Yashoda. All three languages have played an important role in my life so far. I actually feel ashamed that I couldn't pick up Marathi to the same level.

I began with mastery in Commonwealth English but I've picked up American English to "native" level since arriving in the US. Yet when I went to Gujarat recently I was stunned at my ability to understand the dialects of the folks of Kutch and Kathiawad without any particular difficulty. At school in Bombay, I was trained in Hindi by teachers who hailed from Uttar Pradesh. Frankly, I have a 4th native language - the infamous "Mumbhai" language.... Rama's arrow 15:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was difficult for me to see how it could be related to RfA but that's cool. I'll post my reply on the RfA page now. Rama's arrow  17:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You helped choose Rosetta Stone as this week's WP:AID winner
AzaBot 16:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

God Krishna is beloved to us
Even though Krishna is supreme God Head he born in Hindu society in a Shudra Varnas to tell the world the real path of life Hindushudra 19:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey!
Hi Cribananda! All's well here; hope it's the same with you. For the image, CC licensing as you have it now, or. Take care -- Samir धर्म 06:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, consider the picture for WP:FP! The criteria are rigid, but it's a wonderful image.  -- Samir धर्म  06:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Varna and Caste
Thanks for your message. Most of the anti-Hindu people mix Varna with Caste to defame Hinduism. Even though I born in a Brahmin class I want people to be clear about Hinduism. The only point people start critising Hinduism is Caste System. They do not understand the basic behind it. Class separation is always necessary in every society. One should not blame Hindu fold. Hindushudra 13:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, and apologies, it really wasn't vandalism
I noticed your revert of my comment, and looked at the history - I don't know what happened with that last edit of mine, but something went really haywire. Shamu? I've never even been on that page..... I just added a simple response to your note on my talk page, and it seemed to blow everything here to pieces. I'll leave well enough alone, and cross my fingers.....

Additional note: see a discussion of a major edit glitch that many users are having, similar to this one: Village_pump_%28technical%29. &#2384; Priyanath 00:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ilaiyaraaja
Thank you for your comment in the FAC page for this article. Could you perhaps help highlight the POV issues in the lead that you referred to please? Your explanation would be useful in helping fix up this article. Cheers, AppleJuggler 07:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Cribananda, your edits to the Ilaiyaraaja page are perceptive and apt. Appreciate you lending a hand to fix things up a little! It was difficult doing it all alone. I just tweaked the lead a little, based on your corrections, and I hope it is alright. Obtaining a picture for the article has been a little tricky for me. Having been recently made aware of Wikipedia's preference for free-use (as opposed to fair-use) images, I have been unable to find such an image (I'm sure you would agree that obtaining a free-use image of say a famous musician like this composer is harder than obtaining a fair-use image). So that has been one of the problems I encountered. I got in touch with a guy who runs an Ilaiyaraaja fan club (the Ilaiyaraaja YahooGroups), and he is quite well-known in the community (a Dr. J. Vijay Venkatraman). He has an archive of Ilaiyaraaja pictures uploaded on that YahooGroup and I was wondering if he could direct us to an image that qualifies as free use. Something worth exploring. I also found a website containing wonderful pictures of the composer (from back in the old days) and you can have a look at it (I've put the link to that website on To-Do #6). It's lovely to hear that you, too, are a fan of Ilaiyaraaja. I think he has a remarkably keen sense of melody and is a very good arranger. Have a nice weekend! With regards, AppleJuggler 09:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You have asked a difficult question. It is hard to pin down any single album of his that I would call a favourite. But I sure can tell you which of his songs I've been listening to lately (in the past week or so). They are: Vaanam Keezhe Vandhal Enna (from Thoongathey Thambi Thoongathey, 1983); Oru Nayagan Uthayamagiraan (Dhavani Kanavugal, 1984); Ponmaane Theduthey (Oh Maane Maane, 1984); Chittukku Chella Chittukku (Nallavanukku Nallavan, 1984); Karatoram Moongil Kaade (Magudi, 1984); Sangeetha Megham (Udhaya Geetham, 1985); Maarugo (Vetri Vizha, 1989); Nadanthaal Irandadi (Chembaruthi, 1992); Shwasathin Thaalam (Achuvinte Amma, 2005). I am still exploring his work. I have not really checked out his music in the period 1992-2005. I am only familiar with songs from the 1982-1991 period, and a couple from the late 1970s. If you have any suggestions of any particular album/s that I could check out, I would be grateful to hear them :) What are your favourites? AppleJuggler 09:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cribs, got your input about post-1991 Ilaiyaraaja albums. I've not listened to either of those mentioned, but will now look for them! Thank you. AppleJuggler 04:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I sampled songs from those two albums you mentioned. I like Thendral Vaarum from Friends. It's got a very vague reggae feel to it. Are you a fan of the actor Vijay? AppleJuggler 09:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I share the very same sentiment! I lost interest in Tamil films circa mid-1990s: it started stagnating in terms of style and quality, and so I do not watch any Tamil films except the occasional film by Mani Ratnam (whose work's quality has also declined — he has markedly descended from the heights he achieved with Mouna Raagam, Anjali or Nayakan — he seems interested in making big, flashy films a la S. Shankar these days), Cheran (this guy seems promising! I have only watched one of his films — Thavamai Thavamirundhu — and I thought it was beautifully crafted and moving) and S.J. Suryah (this fellow's characters impart a very wry sense of humour that balances any blustery, 'superstar' effect that may exist — see for example, Anbe Aaruyire). I have little regard for the new stable of actors (Vijay, Dhanush, Simba, Surya or Vikram (whose has only performed outstandingly once, in Sethu), or Madhavan (who seems to have cut himself out as the irritatingly boyish, charming-ish, South Indian version of Shahrukh Khan)). My favourite actor used to be Kamal Haasan (he was impressive during the pre-1992 era — I feel the film Guna was his last good work). Other serious actors I like but have not really studied much are Sivaji Ganesan and Siva Kumar. I also enjoy lesser stars such as Bhagyaraj for his clever, situational humour (films such as Indru Poi Nalai Vaa and Chinna Veedu) and Sathyaraj for his bravado and outrageousness. I also notice that you like French directors like Goddard. Do you watch much French films? AppleJuggler 02:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You mentioned the album Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal in your message. I checked out the songs there and I think almost all the songs in that album are good, from the playful Ellorkum Maavatte and Edhuthu Naan Vidava to the breezy Guruvayoor Appa to Keladi Kanmani. Pudhu Pudhu... is a K. Balachander film. This man is an admirable film director. AppleJuggler 03:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And please pardon my lengthy rambling... I am pretty passionate about my music and films and once I start talking about these I can talk all day! Cheers, AppleJuggler 03:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cribs! I read your message and went to http://ta/wikipedia.org to take a look. Indeed, its an FA over there. I congratulated the guys there for their effort (its not like I could read the article (but I wish I knew how to read Tamil), but from some of the comments made in English in the Talk page there, they seem to be a very discerning and knowledgeable lot!). It's also nice to know that our article here may have been helpful to them. Nevertheless, the Ilaiyaraaja article on the English Wikipedia requires HEAPS more work (I have come to realise that the leap from A to FA is far more enormous than the leap from stub to A -- at least to my envisioning of how I want the article to eventually look like, that is). When I have more time, I will be working on an additional section that describes his music and arrangement methods in a little more detail. I have sketched it roughly in the Talk page. I also feel that other parts of the article could be bettered. For example, the section on the impact of his career. I should paraphrase Mani Ratnam's comments on the self-contained and rapid way that Ilaiyaraaja composes rather than leave it as a cite. As for images -- the image that they have on the Tamil Wikipedia is the same image we had here on our English Wikipedia. The only difference is they appear to have converted it to black-and-white and soften/blurred it a bit. I am confident that maybe sometime we can get a couple of pics of our own. I'm aiming at three pictures. One, a general picture of the composer to include in the infobox. Second, perhaps a picture of the composer in his younger days, busy composing or recording, and third, a picture of a CD cover (e.g., from How To Name It or Nothing But Wind -- I obtained a picture for this from the YahooGroups website but am not sure where those people took it from -- gotta write and ask them). Anyways... wishing you a pleasant day there. Nice of you to tell me about the Ilaiyaraaja article on Tamil Wikipedia :) AppleJuggler 02:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Jobim
Wow, you have actually been to the Bar Veloso?! (it has now been renamed as A Garota de Ipanema) Awesome! I have never been there (or to Brazil) but I would like to someday (and I am not in France). I was walking down the street here the other day and the scenery sort of evoked the tune of Aguas de Marco in my head and so I had to write down the lyrics somewhere so I can read it (and so it is on my userpage here). I love Jobim. Great composer. I also like many other Brazilian musicians. Djavan, Ivan Lins, Rosa Passos, Joao Bosco... the Brazilians have very, very good music (as you may already know). The lyricism in their music allows them to craft intricate melodies and use complex chords. AppleJuggler 02:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Films
Bhagyaraj is da man. I like his deadpan approach to humour (in contrast, you have the Vadiveluvian humour) and the socially-reflective undercurrent in his films. I'm also always on the lookout for interesting/good films to watch, and the task often becomes progressively difficult. La Regle... is often considered one of the greatest films made. Your suggestion — 'Travellers and Magicians' is a good lead for me to explore. The last good movies I watched were a Japanese film by Takeshi Kitano, called HANA-BI ('Fireworks') and a German one called Das Boot. The former I thought was excellent, so if you can find it, watch it. Even better, watch it with your wife if you are married. The latter is a long, breathtaking film based on a true story that depicts the lives of an embattled German WWII submarine crew. AppleJuggler 06:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Tamil people revert war
Hi Crib. I'm currently with very limited Internet access and too many things to do. So, I'll not be able to look into it. I've made my position on Ayyavazhi clear (with due respect): it is notable, but mentioning it alongside the major religions of India in summary articles like India and Tamil people might make it appear more notable than what it is. Taking a stand that we'll include those religions that find a place in the Census of India would be correct, in my opinion. I've not seen the recent arguments though and am willing to change my opinion if they're able to convince me. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

My recent RfA
Thank you for the support of my RfA. It was a very humbling yet surprisingly gratifying experience. I am grateful for all the constructive comments that will undoubtedly make me a better contributer, and hopefully a stronger candidate in the future. Grika 14:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Thanks for the greetings! Hope the new year brings nothing but the best for you too, my friend. Take care -- Samir धर्म 21:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

W.Somerset Maugham
Given your previous or current interest in Somerset Maugham - can you please add any thoughts you might have at Talk:W. Somerset Maugham so that we can move the article up a notch? V i  r  tual  Steve  09:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Email
Cribananda sir, please check your email. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)