User talk:Crippled Sloth

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Once again, welcome! Jfing e  r s  88  04:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Strong Artificial Intelligence
Holloa, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I see you've been working hard on a Strong Artificial Intelligence article. I've proposed that it be merged into strong AI, to which strong artificial intelligence redirects. Wikipedia's naming conventions for articles use lower case except for proper nouns and acronyms, and the system is (somewhat confusingly) case-sensitive.

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&mdash;bmills 02:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Transtopianism
On your request, I have restored the article and brought it to a regular vote for deletion. Feel free to contribute to the discussion. - Mike Rosoft 14:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Crippled Sloth wrote "alyosha":

The article got deleted well quickly - before i could improve it. What happened? I reckon its a subject worthy of an article - even if mine wasnt great. Transtopianism is different from all other transhumanist orgs - mainly due to its rejection of morality. It is smaller than all the other transhumanist orgs, but still i reckon big enough to merit an article (has yahoo group of over 900). Just to point out, I wasnt advertising - im quite interested in transhumanism, was reading about it and found the transtopianism site. I was suprised i had not found this particular philosophy when reading about transhumanism on wikipedia - so i created an article. I didnt do it all in one go, and i guess not very well -but i think the subject merits an article. Also - here is some of the anti siai singularitarians you were looking for. Crippled Sloth 22:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I apologize for not seeing this and resping sooner -- i've dropped off a lot in wikiactivity, but i don't know how i missed the notice for this new ms.


 * A]


 * You'll pardon me for being both weary and wary of transtopianism: it's hidden white supremacism, it's attempts to pass itself off as a part of transhumanism either conceptually or as a significant (sub-)movement, and the ways the article keeps getting restarted and argued for. So maybe you're a part of all that, or maybe you just innocently stumbled into it all. Just in case it's the latter, here, out of all i could say and that has been said, are a few most salient resps:


 * 1] In spearheading the 2nd of the 3 (so far) deletions of this article, i did extensive research on it (it was my first deletion and i thought the std should be high). Incl in this, i visited the lists associated with the term, and found that the topics of discussion *were not transtopianism* -- so there was no evidence that the list membership could be counted as membership in that philosophy/group. If that situation has changed, i'd like to know.


 * In general, no evidence was found of any membership whatsoever beyond creative promotion of the site/idea by possibly only one person. There was no resp to my email to the transtopianism site re membership, and no resp by the admitted webmaster to discussion of this issue in the article talk page, even tho that person was actively editing the article. This i take as a stong confirmation that there is no significant membership.


 * 2] Transhumanism, as fringe as it may be, has a many-year history, thousands of adherents, formal organizations and offline events, and many publications incl statements and debates of belief/common ground/etc. The meaning of the term is thus fuzzy (like almost all terms) but well-established, and white supremacism disqualifies a philosophy/group from fitting within transhumanism.


 * Each person is free to combine ideas any way they want, and label them likewise. One could theoretically combine ideas from the labor movement with the idea that all jews should be killed -- but that would not make it accurate to say one's new philosophy of "labortopianism" was part of the labor movement. Nor would this one-or-few-person view, however promoted, qualify for a wikipedia article, esp one describing it as a branch of the labor movement.


 * 3] The issue of what merits a wp article is complex. Leaving aside the issues of original research, self-promotion, etc on the assumption that that's not what you're doing, my own view / way of explaining notability (which i feel confident is within at least the broader mainstream) is this. That even tho wp is not paper, granting article status to extremely unpopular topics creates an unencyclopedic misimpression of significance, esp when the article is linked to/from broader articles. Eg, say that i'm an environmentalist, and i -- or even a few of my friends -- think i'm interesting enough to merit an article. If i don't have objectively greater significance than thousands and thousands of other environmentalists (notable publications, major media coverage, a sizable following, etc), then an article on me will create an inaccurate impression of my significance. Looked at from a different angle, wp is huge but is still an encyclopedia, which means that the articles meet some criterion of general interest, even if by fewer people than for paper encyclopedias. Finally, all this will be made worse by linking the article on me to/from "Environmentalism" and describing me as an example of it; that article should be linked only to people widely associated with that movement. Even a list article of environmentalists, tho incl more names, should be limited to notable people -- otherwise the non-notables would both overwhelm the notables and be seen as too similar, making notable environmentalists hard to find and thus defeating the purpose of a general reference work.


 * B]


 * Finally, you mentioned but did not incl references to "anti siai singularitarians".


 * Hope this helps, "alyosha" (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Transtopianism
What is that? Answer here =>jangirke@gmx.net tnx and plz post it here too even more thanks