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DYK for Bakri Siregar
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
Hi Crisco:

Thank you for successfully nominating File:Papilio demoleus ALT by kadavoor.jpg; it is my first featured picture in English Wikipedia.

What about this file: File:Psyche_Leptosia_nina_mating_retushed.jpg; a retouched picture because I've a limitation to cover the entire frame with my closeup glass added in front of the camera. I don't know much editing so this is done by a friend in Commons.

BTW, Wish you a wonderful Easter filled with happiness, peace and love!

Regards, Jee Jkadavoor (talk) 08:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Easter wishes. I'll take a look at the image you indicated, and a couple others. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not very big on the lighting of both the mating pair and the single specimen. Sorry Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK; they are not much friendly; take rest only in morning and evening. Further spot metered due to white colors. Thanks for the review. Regards, Jee. Jkadavoor (talk) 08:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Portrait of George Clinton
Any cahnce you would know how to extract a larger version of the lead image at George Clinton (vice president) from ? – Connormah (talk) 03:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a shot. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Took me a while to figure it out, but I got it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice! Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)



Lagos
What is needed is suggestions for improvement; on Talk:Lagos so actions can be taken. Your comments would be appreciated. Otelemuyen (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Rosey
Hi Crisco, I'm sure you'll see it, but Livitup and I have responded at the FAC. The only ones I wasn't too sure about were the size of the coin and repetition between the first sentence of the lead and the rest of the paragraph. Also, could you let me know if you think I've dealt with Brian's objections sufficiently? I'm going to ping him and ask him to revisit his oppose soon, but I want to make sure things are nicely squared away before I do so. Also, Mathew and I have been discussing the constitution on the talk page, you may want to look at that too. Of course, this is all optional, take your time. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Brian has a habit of starting a review then coming back much, much, much later with more issues. Note that I replied to him about Chrisye two weeks ago (and have pinged him twice). I'll take a look Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, you get up early. Will revise the remaining issue at Rosenberg shortly and hopefully do some work on the GA review tonight (my time). Mark Arsten (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Getting up at 5:30 gives me time to check Wikipedia before work. :-D Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's sure dedication! I started the Atheis review, will do more later. I replied at the FAC, Mathew revised the lead further. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support! My eyes were starting to bleed from reading that article again and again. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL, well at least it's not Middle Ages (a very nice clean-up job which needs copyediting) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, one would have to be a complete masochist to take on that article. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * But quite an important article Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the image check, so which template should be used on the palace picture? I changed the tag on commons to PD-US, was that right? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think so, yes. Note that it says "In most cases, ...", so it allows exceptions. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Help
Hello Crisco,

I was not able to be on Wikipedia for a bit, and found that although the reviewer said there were no major issues, the article was rejected.

Both of the issues mentioned on the nomination are actually non-issues. The first sentence of the development section is wikilinked to the source of the quote, and the chief's name appears on the official website linked right underneath.

Could you help put this back up, as they said that there were no real issues?

Thank you, Aslbsl (talk) 13:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Referencing issues were indicated in the review. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

That's right, regarding two things. And I show above that neither were actually issues, the reviewers just must have missed the links.

The reviewer also said that aside from those two referencing issues "Otherwise okey". That is why I ask for your help...

Thanks, Aslbsl (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Soedjatmoko
Thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Chrisye
I've been looking over the article again, and almost the first thing I noticed was the weak opening to the lead, the lack of a strong declarative sentence that does more than merely say who the subject is, but says something striking to draw the reader in. This is becoming a bit of an obsession with me at the moment. What I suggest you do is add the following sentence to the first paragraph: "In a 40-year career he won many awards and accolades; in 2011 Rolling Stone Indonesia declared him the third-greatest Indonesian musician of all time". I have incorporated the existing lead's last sentence, which of course you would need to remove. Give it some thought. Brianboulton (talk) 19:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

(a bit later): in the Legacy section Chrisye is referred to as the "third-biggest" Indonesian musician, which sounds odd and wrong. The information about the list of the 150 Greatest Indonesian Albums of All Time doesn't seem to occur in the article at all. Brianboulton (talk) 19:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied. The information about the albums is there, but I've given the name of the list now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Otelemuyen (talk) 12:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Roy Marten
Carabinieri (talk) 23:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

re: Belenggu
Hi Crisco, thanks for thinking of me! I'd love to help with your PR, but I'm swamped at the moment. I'll try to stop by in a few days when things have quieted down. You may also consider asking Truthkeeper if she'd be interested; she's a huge help with literary FACs, and she knows her stuff. María ( yllo submarine ) 13:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * She's a woman of many talents. :) She wrote The Sun Also Rises, among other Hemingway-esque articles, and was a great help to me while I was working on The Red Badge of Courage.  Good luck! María ( yllo  submarine ) 13:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for A. Teeuw
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DYK for Giring Ganesha
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking on
the review for such a long article. Your feedback looks good thus far, I'm logging off now but I'll get back to work on it tomorrow. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can believe it, I'm starting to migrate toward even more macabre articles--be careful if you look through my edit history. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked. What kinda [...] sends a postcard like that? Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's really unfathomable to me, quite stunning. I don't think I would be very happy if a relative sent me a postcard of a dismembered corpse. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Tara (Ramayana) (Dewi Tara)
I wanted to add the Indonesian version of Tara's tale in the article, but couldn't find any good English sources. Finally, found this on Google Books, but it is in some Indonesian language. Can you please roughly translate the entry ? -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No issues. If you would like to directly add the info to the article, I am fine with that too. Thanks a lot.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick help. The translation is good enough so that I can put the tale in my own words in the article. Just wanted to confirm which language of Indonesia is the ref exactly in? -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So it is Indonesian language, Not Javanese language. right ? In mail, you were talking about Javanese something, so got confused :) -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:21, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Slamet Rijadi
Orlady (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Fiksimini
Orlady (talk) 00:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

History Merges
Hi Crisco, Kiel Brown is now complete as requested, but Laura's userspace copy of Fergus Kavanagh is blanked. Do you still want everything merged together except for the edit that blanks that page? Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC).
 * Done. Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC).

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Interesting
Chrisye and Bloody Bill are almost the same length, what a coincidence that is. It feels good to get Bill to GA, I started writing it January 18, that feels like a very long time ago now. Happy Easter by the way. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Speaking of Chrisye, do you know anyone who'd be willing to do a spotcheck? Noleander expressed interest in doing so, but s/he hasn't replied to my offer to send him/her the Kompas articles. Happy Easter to you too Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jamila dan Sang Presiden
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DYK for Wim Umboh
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Udin
Started. Sadly, I may have already taken this as far as the English-speaking web can take me. Right now it's disastrously over-reliant on the Amnesty International source, in part because I discovered late into writing this draft that a source I thought was distinct was simply a duplicate of sections of the report. Why don't you have a go in the next few days and see if you can get this sourced out to more places? The linked Media, Culture and Press in Indonesia book had two good pages on this that you might want to look at for reactions of journalistic organizations, and the AI report has all the investigation details you could want. It appears to have been written before the apparent fall guy's case was resolved, however, so we may have to go to Indonesian news for that.

Tomorrow's our baby shower, which my wife apparently thinks means I shouldn't check Wikipedia for at least the seven hours our friends and family are here. But on Sunday I should have time to hunt through the archives of RSF, CPJ, IFEX, etc. to see if there are any more reports, protests, updates, etc. that I can find. Good to be collaborating with you again! Khazar2 (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just remembered the good ol' Jakarta Post, which of course has a few dozen articles on this. I'll start integrating those in soon, too. (And did you know that Indonesia has only an 18-yr statute of limitations on murder?  Time's running out...) Khazar2 (talk) 07:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I'll start with my two books (lots of biographical information) Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, congratulations! Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Our house now features several giant piles of adorableness: onesies, teething toys, an amazing number of stuffed elephants, etc.
 * I took a look at the Udin coverage in the Jakarta Post tonight. Not much notable to add to the article, but I did find a few things, including some more recent calls to reopen the case before its expiration date. It's all added to the article. I suppose we could swap out a few of the Amnesty, IFEX, or Tesoro citations for similar info in the JP if we wanted, but I don't know that there's a pressing need to do that yet.
 * The only thing I wish we had a little more of in here is the lasting cultural impact of this murder; I feel like we get a bit bogged down with the nitty-gritty of the trial, and it's a shame we can't find just the right quote about "this case is remembered as an example of..." or the like. Given the number of Jakarta Post results, and the lengthy article in the Indonesian wiki, it's clear this is a remembered case. Still, the article's already pretty great without it.
 * So, if you'd like to take it to DYK or some other forum, I say go for it. I probably won't participate much, so don't list me, but obviously I'll keep an eye out in case changes are needed. A pleasure as always! Enjoy the day-- Khazar2 (talk) 04:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, I also put together a stub for Bernas if you want to take a glance. Are they still in business? I didn't find an official website at first pass, but it might just be from searching only in English. Khazar2 (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, they're still in existence. I've been published a couple times in the paper. They don't seem to have paid their upkeep though. RE: the article, hope you don't mind, I added you as a co-writer. You don't have to do anything though, I'll be handling the nomination. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Very cool. Thanks for the updates on that one! Khazar2 (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try and drop by the office tomorrow or the day after... at the very least we can get a picture of the headquarters. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your support at my RfA. I will do my best to live up to people's confidence in me. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Question on Chisye translation
When I run the text thru Google translate, it converts Chrisye into Tim Christensen ... which is confusing, because Tim Christensen is also a songwriter. Do you have any idea why Google is doing that? Tim Christensen is not associated with Chrisye, is he? --Noleander (talk) 15:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

resource request
Hi,

I've uploaded the two articles that you requested at the resource exchange. You can find links to the articles at that page. Best, GabrielF (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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DYK review
Hi Crisco, I've replied to your comments at Template:Did you know nominations/RMS Titanic in popular culture and made some changes to the article in response. Please take a look. Prioryman (talk) 21:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we have a resolution to this, please? I have made the changes you asked for but there doesn't seem to be much happening on the nomination page... Prioryman (talk) 07:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1
Any particular reason you needed to start editing of Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1 three minutes after a inuse template was placed upon the prep area? --Allen3 talk 23:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually had it open for five or so minutes, but got caught up adding rereview templates. Missed the first one, figured I might as well finish the prep. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mira W.
The DYK project (nominate) 00:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

2012 Aceh earthquake
You may be interested in this article. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  09:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is now renamed 2012 Indian Ocean earthquake. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  12:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of M. Balfas
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Featured content = Ugh!

 * Ugh!! I find your change in images really distasteful and personally offensive. Especially for Easter week and especially your formatting of them. Such a great title for a week celebrating resurrection. I'm not religious but I'm offended. Besides, your layout is just plain ugly. Featured content is all yours from now on. I don't want to be associated with it anymore. I bow out. It's all yours. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize for reacting so. Please forgive. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

someone
who might want to catch up about  - SatuSuro 14:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left him a message via Facebook. I'm assuming you meant the inquiry at the talk page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * His comment at commons suggests you have already met SatuSuro 22:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I helped with a training course he put on. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Mona Lisa?
I think the ref. on reason is wrong; Mona Lisa instead of The Last Supper (Leonardo da Vinci)

Regards, Jee Jkadavoor (talk) 08:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I didn't read the word after. :) Jkadavoor (talk) 09:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

re 1740 Batavia massacre
Hi,

I can give a try at copy editing it. I'm not Malleus, of course! MathewTownsend (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be much appreciated, thanks. Let me know if the historical context is not clear enough. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not really stated in the article, but it seems that sugar production was crucial to the colony, thus the importance of Chinese sugar mill workers. Shouldn't the article be clear about this, or am I misperceiving?
 * Changed.


 * I can't find anywhere else that the term "sugar millers" is used (e.g. Google). Should it be sugar mill workers?
 * Alright, changed.


 * In the lede it says "The council met again two days later after an assault by ethnic Chinese on the city walls; the same day, other Batavian ethnic groups began burning Chinese houses along Besar Stream after being frightened by rumours of Chinese atrocities, and Dutch soldiers launched an assault on Chinese homes using cannons." - could the council meeting again be left out, since it doesn't say what they did? Also "other Batavian ethic groups" - other than the Dutch soldiers? or who?
 * Sounds good.

MathewTownsend (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "In the evening of 1 October Valckenier received reports that a crowd of a thousand Chinese had gathered outside the gate, angered by his statements at the meeting five days earlier" - what meeting.
 * The emergency meeting on 26 September (1 October, 30 September, 29 September, 28 September, 27 September, 26 September = five days earlier)

MathewTownsend (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This section Background is somewhat confusing. The Council of the Indies was apparently Spanish? So how did it interact with the Dutch, since no Spaniards are mentioned? And the politics among the Dutch leaders isn't clear. And why would "all those wearing blue" be deported?
 * We don't have an article on the proper council, so I removed the link and added the Dutch name. Regarding the blue clothing, the sentence follows with "as those would be the poor ones" Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Heidhues, Mary Somers (2009). "1740 and the Chinese Massacre in Batavia: Some German Eyewitness Accounts". Archipel (Lausanne) 77: 117–147. ISSN 0044-8613 (in the Bibliography) throws up a "Harv error: There is no link pointing to this citation." So there must not be a citation in the article to it. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed.


 * Wow, looks like there's a lot of work needed. Thanks for the review. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * But why would blue be the poor ones? Poor people had to wear blue? (Actually, it's a very interesting article, and once again I see how complex Indonesia is!) MathewTownsend (talk) 23:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see if another source has a bit of cultural background; Raffles  has nothing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bunch of non-RS have it that the emperor decided in the fifth century AD that poor Chinese were not allowed to wear any colour but black or blue. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Having been through it a few times, I don't think it's in bad shape at all. Very interesting insight into something I'd never have known about if you hadn't written about it (again!). I thank you for it. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably give it a go next week, after my parents leave. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)