User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 22

Thank you
Thanks for your help with S&Man and your review. I appreciate it. :) SL93 (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. The article looks fairly nice now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dian yang Tak Kunjung Padam
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Marco Kartodikromo
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Images and fair use
Hey, you know images, if you want, could you check out the revert I just did on 1 Night in Paris? A user changed the image from the DVD cover to a scene from the movie. Is that Ok to do on NFCC grounds? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems posters are preferred, followed by VHS / DVD covers (as they are used to market the film and thus more widely known). Screencaps can be used, but are generally supplemental. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's what I assumed, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL it was a gif? Yeah, that's pushing it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had a bit of a laugh about that. I couldn't treat it as vandalism, because it actually did illustrate the subject and had a fair use tag. Maybe this is the whole "principle of least astonishment" people are always talking about. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I generally err on the side of caution with screenshots; if they don't actually illustrate something being specifically discussed in the article's prose (colour tints in Manhunter or the Red Room in "Episode 2" for example) then I would challenge their worth as content. Unless a gif is animating a very pertinent section then I'd rule it right out. GRAPPLE   X  03:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a blowjob by PH. Not really discussed, unless someone can find reliable sources discussing her technique. I tend to not use screenshots, although I probably could. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, that film. For a second I thought this was the Woody Allen thing. GRAPPLE   X  03:15, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Mind you, the night-vision thing may qualify... Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh man, this could be getting into WP:BEANS territory. Oh well, thanks for yet another excellent GA review, we got it done all in one night (US night, at least). Feels good to have that at GA, after reading all that stuff about the Klan. BTW, I gave our IP date-changer friend a 3RR warning. I'm heading to bed now, but if he keeps this I think we're good to report him. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, good night. I'll check in on him... YW, btw. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

omg
none of those jakartan stubs should exist as the creator of most of them doesnt know what a rs is they were squashed by one, or breathed heavily upon by one - inneresting one university i know had a 2 volume encyclopedia of jakarta but the reference section where it was located was eliminated and the materials put into storage ... :)  SatuSuro 13:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What about this one? I've found myself using it a couple of times. Not sure if its the same thing though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * yup bingo thats the one - well digitizing it must have been fun - thank you - for the link! SatuSuro 13:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it :-s. You're welcome Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK
I see you closed the Jacobus Deketh DYK (my article/nom) - which went on the Main Page today. Could you take a look at this? --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 16:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Tb
Your query actually afforded me the opportunity to make the article just a little better. Thanks.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking back in.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Atiqah Hasiholan
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:06, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Jayne Mansfield
Is it possible to get a free video (a trailer or something) of Ms. Mansfield? Aditya (talk • contribs) 02:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The trailer for Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? is supposed to be free, and there may be others. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Un Soir du Paris
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:10, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Get Married (film)
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Kelihos botnet
Hello there Crisco,

First of a hearty thanks for checking my DYK submissionKelihos botnet - and especially for taking the time to do such a thorough check and copyedit. I've been working on the issues raised, and i believe the current version should take care of them. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 11:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ibunda
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK
- I've added Template:Did you know nominations/Marzuki Darusman to Prep Area 1. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 19:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Email
Check your inbox. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  05:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mencari Madonna
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Clara Sinta
The actress in Mencari Madonna, although IMDB uses "Sinta", Shinta returns more ghits. Which is the correct spelling? -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  10:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indonesian Wikipedia gives "Sinta", as do the sources Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there must be two different surnames: Sinta and Shinta - both Indonesian. Shinta is also a given name in Japanese Shinta Nojiri. Clarashinta Arumdani was Miss Indonesia. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  10:52, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some take Sinta, some take Shinta, and some take Cinta. I think all three go back to the Ramayana Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:54, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonggalan i realise it might be around the corner from ou so to speak, but hey the possibility of stubs for RT's etc seems likely when the save all named stubs at all costs brigade emerge from the woodwork... sigh  - pity irony and facetiousness cannot have easy shorthand expressions to put between the lines of prods... SatuSuro 10:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhh Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:56, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ok thats one way to respond - but just wait for an afd when the prod gets tipped by an enthusiast for rt names in triplicate with templates for every square metre of klaten.... heheheheh   :)    SatuSuro 11:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Too much... soon they'll be creating articles on every blasted RT/RW Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh I'd love to see that for gunung kidul - it'd look great!!!
 * to be fair, to be sure, there is never anthing to beat the incessent overlinking and general questionable issues that raise from the general condition of articles like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Indonesian_Premier_League and its related templates and associated materials though - .... :(     SatuSuro 11:19, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh my... *shudder* ... song lists tend to be overlinked too, so I'm guilty of that.... Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * nah its all good - common sense prevails usually - eventually - somewhere - but not always immediately in the wp:en indonesia project though :)     SatuSuro 11:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Oh well, at least we are starting to have better articles now. I was thinking of doing a complete retooling of Hamengkubuwana IX when I can bother opening the biography I bought... Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Seindah Rembulan
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 17:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Armageddon Holocaust
Just to let you know that this DYK has resurfaced, and the nominator says the problems are fixed. Can you please take a look to see if your concerns have been addressed?

Note: I'll be monitoring the template page, so no need to reply directly; if you do, though, please reply here rather than on my talk page. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:30, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Signpost
Hey,

Great title! How do you think these up? MathewTownsend (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I just try to draw inspiration from the lede image, where possible. Moth known for its wings, something to do with wings. Hall of mirrors, something to do with mirrors. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You are an artist! And congrats on 1740 Batavia massacre - seems to be passing FAC. One of the articles I've most enjoyed working on, as that subject is not one that people talk about where I am. Opened up doors in my mind. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it. Many, many people - even Indonesians - don't know much about the subject, if they've even heard of it. Mrs. Crisco never heard of it, and several of my lecturers and Sanata Dharma hadn't either. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 17:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

rev delete

 * That would be Requests for oversight. – Ling.Nut3 (talk) 05:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never seen anyone actually follow through on that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean, on the case that just happened, or on any case ever? If you mean the latter, then I have seen them oversight things fairly swiftly, when it has been requested. – Ling.Nut3 (talk) 08:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've asked for it before, and never saw it complete. Meanwhile, MRG and a couple other Admins have been willing to rev delete while waiting for oversight to handle things. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That is strange. Perhaps you should email Requests for oversight and tell them this. Cheers! – Ling.Nut3 (talk) 09:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Ramjeet Raghav
Hey, here is a guy called Ramjeet Raghav. See refs. I wanna create an article on him, but not sure if an article on him meets Wikipedia's policies. Will it violate WP:NOTNEWS? But I think he passes WP:BASIC. Seeking your opinion. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  11:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think he passes with flying colours (world oldest dad...), assuming the child comes to term. Note that this source says sex is his hobby Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:01, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Then I'll create an entry. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  12:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

British Titanic inquiry DYK picture
Thanks for dealing with Template:Did you know nominations/British Wreck Commissioner's inquiry into the sinking of the RMS Titanic and adding it to the prep 1 area. There are a couple of things that may still need sorting out: I'll be around if needed for the next few hours, but not much after that until during the week. Carcharoth (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (1) There is a 'dubious' tag on the article that should really be sorted out before it goes up on the main page. I've asked Prioryman (the other main editor of the article) if they have time to take a look.
 * (2) The picture used won't work well on the DYK main page slot. I would prefer the first hook be used with the picture of Lord Mersey, as that works better at the image size used in the DYK slot. I know the hook is less interesting, but I would prefer a better picture be used rather than it get moved down.
 * (3) There is a 'twin' nomination on the US Senate inquiry (see Template:Did you know nominations/United States Senate inquiry into the sinking of the RMS Titanic). Would it be possible to hold back the British inquiry one until that is ready (or expedite the US inquiry one)? And would it also be possible to run them on the same day, one during the British 'day' (roughly) and one in the US 'day' (roughly)?
 * Seeing how the dubious tag is related to the hook itself, I'll pull it. For the other issues (especially number 3), you should try to seek agreement from the community.
 * Regarding the image, the only reason I gave this article a lede spot was because the image wasn't an OWM - we see too many of them in the lede and we need variation. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:27, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll note the issue with the images in the nominations and note the existence of the other nomination in each one (they should still be separate, not combined). You are right I should raise point (3) at WT:DYK. I had mentioned them here, but got no response (this lack of response was slightly irritating given the song-and-dance being made about another DYK date-related request at around the same time). I'll try again with the more specific 'twinning' request. Hopefully the 'dubious' tag issue will get sorted soon. Carcharoth (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2012 (UTC) PS. OWM?
 * Old white male... you'll notice that more often than not, if there is a picture of a person it's probably an OWM. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, right! Ironic, then, that the other picture may be cropped to focus on a (now dead) white male. BTW, I believe the phrase is dead white male, not old white male, though maybe you literally meant old people. Carcharoth (talk) 08:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL, that's the one. Mind you, most DWMs we see at DYK are OWMs in their pictures. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:26, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Could you have another look at the nomination? I think things are sorted now, but does anything need doing to make that clearer? Also, my 'twinning' request at WT:DYK hasn't elicited any interest (or indeed any replies). Next time I do this, I'll put both articles on the same DYK nomination page and propose two concurrent hooks (as opposed to a combined one). That would make such a 'twinning' request much easier. Carcharoth (talk) 02:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

prep 4
Prep 4 contains the highly disputed abuse of young children. I don't think to place the Serious songs by Brahms next to it is a good idea. The author mentioned jokes and Easter egg tree as a balance. Sorry, kind of sarcastic (and Easter egg tree appeared already), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * They aren't "next to each other". They were already 3 hooks apart, now I've added an extra two hooks between them. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, it was added by Panyd. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed by BlueMoonset, thanks for looking, now we have sex in the bathroom, but much less offensive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm... I guess bathroom sex is less controversial. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Try telling that to my missus... :( GRAPPLE   X  16:12, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And to think I was using sex in the bathroom to separate two literary journals. :-) I wonder if it's the first time that's happened. (Probably not.) As long as I have you all here, any thoughts on reducing hooks from 8 to 7? I'd like to get more opinions on the matter in WT:DYK. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 23:33, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think seven is fine (I've set prep 1 at seven for now; it's fairly long already) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Marzuki Darusman
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for another marginally deserved co-credit. =) Hoping to finally sit down with your translations tonight, btw, brain permitting. Khazar2 (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Marginally deserved? I think not. You fully deserved that. I just have one last translation I need to finish... one of two stories I didn't really like on the first read. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Asia Raja
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice hook. Khazar2 (talk) 18:25, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was an interesting read. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * You're welcome. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Justin Bieber on Twitter
Hey Crisco, you promoted this for DYK, but I still detect issues: the hook says he's second to Lady Gaga, but that statement is not so well verified. Look at the current version: notes 24, 75, 76, 77 should verify the hook, but 24 dates from July 2011; 75 has disappeared as has 77; and 77 isn't so clear and its information is obviously based on an outside source which may or may not be reliable. What I am trying to do is find a recent, reliable reference that ranks him no. 2, so I can reinstate the very valid "As of" template, removed by an overzealous recentist editor. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I finally found a reliable source that explicitly compares the two: this one ("languishing behind" means he's second, I guess). This is one of the sloppiest articles we may have ever sent to the front page--I challenge anyone to go through my recent edits and disagree with them! I'm not even going to look at Lady Gaga on Twitter--it's written by the same people, no doubt. BTW, the hook needs to be looked at as well: we owe it to ourselves to have a proper date in there to prevent the kind of WP:RECENTISM that was completely overlooked in the writing of the article. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Using toolserve, I have checked every single link that indicated a problem, removed links that were dead (which in all cases had other sources already) or found the correct url. Problem solved. Thanks for informing me. --LauraHale (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. And I was glad to instate the "as of" template--it only took me half an hour to find one that actually compared the two accounts, in between other copy edits. I trust you will do the same for the Gaga article. Also, use of Google snippets is discouraged, as is the use of all-caps. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ayu Azhari
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:06, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hermaphrodite (Nadar)
I just approved this DYK. I found it interesting, tasteful, and written in in professional/medical tone. Well done. Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed. Thanks for the review. It was interesting to write about as well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. This was my first dyk review since returning a few weeks ago. Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah? Glad to see you back with self noms Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. Pumpkin Sky  talk  23:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tajul Muluk (religious leader)
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)