User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 41

Mezcala Bridge POTD caption
I removed some statistics because the article's sources appear inconsistent or unreliable and the last thing we need is to be bashed for incorrect statistics on the main page. --Pine✉ 05:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, agree with you there. I'm getting multiple measurements on Google. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.
Hello. I just wanted to thank you so much for your feedback on the FLC for List of Sega 32X games, and being willing to step up to the plate to give some feedback. I'm a firm believer in reciprocity, so if you ever have a WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FLC, or WP:FAC that could use some feedback or a review, feel free to let me know and I'd be glad to take a look. Red Phoenix build the future...remember the past... 14:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I do have an FLC up right now if you want to take a look. Thanks for the offer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You should now have some comments to go through. Always glad to help.   Red Phoenix  build the future...remember the past... 17:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tio Pakusadewo
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Zainal Abidin (actor)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

FLC request
Hi, since you are a regular at FLC. I'm here to ask for your input at my FL candidate: Mayor of Pichilemu, I'd be thankful if you comment there. Thanks in advance, Lester Foster (talk &#124; talk) 08:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Defender of the Wiki !

 * Thanks Pumpkinsky! I had quite a good day today (closing ceremony for this year's Papat Limpad competition, so I gave a speech and got interviewed. Afterwards my wife and I had lunch with Christian Sugiono and a whole bunch of people from Wikimedia Indonesia. Some pictures just uploaded on Commons.) so this just makes it better. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We don't have to address him as Sir Crisco now, do we? -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Nah, Cris is fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Always happy to recognize deserving wikipedians, SIR CRISCO ! Pumpkin Sky   talk  12:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * all of it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ladies and Gents. I'm just waiting... oh, another three months. Then (by my count) I'll be eligible for a Genghis Khan Triple Crown, which is pretty darn rare on Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ... ::eyes popping:: ... Wow. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, very rare. I had the Imperial Napoleonic TC in the old days, not even looked at what I might qualify for these days.
 * Khazar2: I'm still jealous of you, though. I'd never have had the guts to take on MLK, Mandela, or Gandhi. Most of my featured pieces are so obscure they get no vandalism and next to no views.
 * PumpkinSky: You may be up to Alexander. You've had a couple FAs since coming back, right? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Three of them, User:PumpkinSky/Articles, old ones at User:Rlevse/files. SIR CRISCO could check for me? I'd be honored if you nom me if I qualify. Pumpkin Sky   talk  12:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You know you're a Wikipedian when you're jealous of other people's vandalism.  -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Pumpkin, I think you do. Three as Pumpkin, 13 as Rlevse. I'm pretty sure you've got 15 GAs already, and you are well over 40 DYKs.
 * Vandalism? Nuts! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm currently counting 16 FAs+1 FT+15FL, 16GAs and 95 DYK. If I qual for something more in TC land, could SIR CRISCO nom me? I don't want to do it myself. Pumpkin Sky  talk  12:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * PumpkinSky, I'll do it later if you want (I'd have to compile the nominations/diffs, as required, if you could do that it would be a great boon), but I want to do a bit of my school paper first. Are you sure it's only 16 GAs? If it were 40+ you'd already be at Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan levels. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Whenever you have time. Yep, 16 GAs, so you say I need 24 more to be a KHAN? I think you can just link to these pages: User:Rlevse/files and User:PumpkinSky/Articles, if not, let me know. Pumpkin Sky   talk  13:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The Crown nominations page here recommends links to FACs, FLCs, GANs, etc. (i.e. to ensure nobody plays them for a fool) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, so how many do I need for each category (F/G/DYK) to get Alex? Pumpkin Sky   talk  13:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 15. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll make up the list, link it here, and ask you to nom. Pumpkin Sky   talk  13:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also - priceless - you (Rlevse) told several hundred Wikipedians that they are awesome, holding a record so far, and a prize is name after PumpkinSky, - well, that was in memory of someone gone but I won't take it back ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those awesome Wikipedian awards are great for morale! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * THANKS Fine Lady Gerda and SIR CRISCO. Crisco-here is the list User:PumpkinSky/Alexander Triple Crown, feel free to directly edit. Pumpkin Sky   talk  15:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Doing... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're one short on each. Anything missing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been told that I'm "one fry short of a happy meal" - does that count for anything? :) — Ched : ?  17:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I just can't count. All fixed. Pumpkin Sky   talk  18:46, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * All done. I've always wondered how they count the standard number of fries in a Happy Meal. Especially since the figures are all over the place. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. How long does this normally take? Pumpkin Sky   talk  23:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In my experience, at least a couple of weeks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tarmina
Gatoclass 08:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Image
How come you demoted this image? It looks legitimate to me. Gatoclass (talk) 15:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not the image, but the article. It's been on the main page as a DYK before. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Good catch, thanks :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:19, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Lichtenstein image
I see you removed File:Roy Lichtenstein.jpg from Drowning Girl. I have added the following text to the article: "Another possible influence on his emphasis on depicting distressed women in the early to mid 1960s was that his first marriage was dissolving at the time. LIchtenstein's first marriage to Isabel Wilson, which resulted in two sons, lasted from 1949 to 1965." Would you have a problem with adding this image back to the article now under a proper FUR?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * How does the image of Lichtenstein "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding?" In this context, his physical appearance has zilch to do with it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

This may be of interest:
#The_.TIFF_from_Rijksmuseum_has_arrived (If needed, scroll up linked page for context reminder.)

--Kevjonesin (talk) 05:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm shivering in excitement. Thanks for the heads up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties
If you enjoyed Freedom for the Thought That We Hate, hopefully you might also like Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties.

The book is quite a fascinating read.

I hope you're doing well, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good, fairly lazy day. I'll take a look at the article, but I can't promise a GA review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and no worries. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Tanya
Apakah di Wikipedia Bahasa Inggris ini, seorang kepala desa dgn kepandaiannya berwirausaha, dengan kepribadian yg dermawan itu boleh masuk artikel? Sebab, sy tngah menghadapi permasalahan penghapusan artikel id:Azwar Wahid.

Oh, ya, tadi kan anda baru mendapat gelaran "Sir", baiklah "Sir" Crisco 1492, sy mau minta turutkan janji. Tempo hari, pernah sy melengkapi id:Geger Pacinan, makanya ada penambahan catatan bawah di versi bhs. Indonesia-nya. Nah, Beta minta Tuanku turutkan janji utk revisi lagi versi Inggrisnya.

Salam, dari org yg galau di Pontianak. Btw, stlah beta baca artikel di "kranten.kb.nl", rupanya kota beta pernah kena wabah cacar pada tahun 1914-an. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 14:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sepertinya itu sudah memenuhi kriteria kelayakan di sini, kalau memang cukup banyak sumber. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Phoa Keng Hek
Hello! Your submission of Phoa Keng Hek at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Drmies (talk) 02:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Isabeau of Bavaria
Hi Crisco, quick question: I'm trying to pin down a better source for an image in Isabeau of Bavaria and while looking to see where else it's used found this. Do you happen to know which language this is? To be specific, I'm wondering if it's Javanese, and if so whether's it's a language you might know. You wouldn't have to disclose if you don't want, but I will be asking Moonriddengirl how we handle this kind of cross-wiki copying (because there should be attribution, I'd expect), and am hoping that the person editing there can somehow be notified by a native speaker. Anyway, thought I'd ask here first. Thanks. Victoria (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's Javanese (although I don't know the language well enough to read it without trouble), and yes it should have been attributed. By the looks of the history it is from the Papat Limpad programme, which means the person is likely already long gone (university students brought on to write, don't tend to stay on after the programme finishes). I've added contribution and will email the persons who headed the competition. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like none of the Indonesian language projects have Translated page. Someone on id.wp and jv.wp should copy those templates, and it can be added to jv:Talk:Isabeau of Bavaria. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ID has Templat:Terjemahan, which works. They just don't use it. Didn't find anything for Javanese though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added the wikidata interwiki for the id template. John Vandenberg (chat) 07:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I hesitated in posting here - it took the longest time for me to figure out what jv stood for. But I was surprised to see it because it seems like such an obscure topic. Anyway, good to know about the templates. 15:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm trying to convince a jv admin (who speaks the language, at least) to translate a template we can use for attribution. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

"I couldn't very well have had a man fielding in the bloody practice ground, now could I?"
My latest over-length cricket article is at PR here. Archie MacLaren was a rather grumpy and spectacularly unsuccessful England captain, and if you have the time and inclination, your comments would be appreciated. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The Republic of Abkhazia
Could the The Republic of Abkhazia redirect be protected in the same way the Republic of Abkhazia redirect is? Both are essentially the same redirect. Regards, CMD (talk) 11:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In addition, Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia has been part of the same request since Emmette Hernandez Coleman's comment, and the IP who commented prior to this adjusted their comment to reflect this. Could you close that as well? Thanks, CMD (talk) 11:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, done the first and doing the second. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * LOL, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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My comment "Where we are weaker is broader articles on topics, like Italian Renaissance sculpture. Cinema of Indonesia doesn't look great either" wasn't directed at any individuals, it's a general problem. Italian Renaissance sculpture might be taken to imply me as much as Cinema of Indonesia you. Johnbod (talk) 11:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No offense taken, actually. Just that (as the one everyone points at when "Indonesia + DYK" comes up) I felt that one coming my way. I do hope to do Chinese Malay literature (individual works already have articles, including an FA and a GA) and Cinema of the Dutch East Indies (overlapping with pre-Independence Indonesian cinema, no need for specific examples here) over the summer, when school is on holiday. I can probably do a bit on cinema of Indonesia with what I have available, but I'd definitely need a copy of Krishna Sen's Indonesian Cinema: Framing the New Order to help with the sociopolitical background from the 50s through the 80s. My library doesn't have much on thematic or biographical elements, I'm afraid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:TFL
Hi Crisco 1492, a list you recently nominated at WP:FLC has been promoted! I was wondering if you'd consider nominating it for inclusion on the main page some time, at Today's Featured List? Either way, it'd be great if you could participate there. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * New part of the closing process, eh? Any of the FLs I've written are free for the main page if deemed necessary, but I will still try to stop by now and then. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily part of the process, but just noted that we're running a little short on noms at TFL and there's nothing better than newly promoted lists as they clearly meet the criteria and have community consensus. So any time you may be interested in contributing to TFL would be great!  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, sounds good. I'm preparing something for Citra Award for Best Leading Actress as we (figuratively) speak. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Si Tjonat
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:03, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mussafah
Hi can you assess whether this is OK to go now?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Please reply there!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  08:36, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sorga Palsoe
The DYK project (nominate) 17:18, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Mohon
Kalau bisa, Pak Harto artikel harus... watch please.... a scene of some close to, um, what would an esqiumaux call it, where the polar bear might not bear any more... hopefully an obvious request, any confusiion please do so offline. cheers sats 09:03, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Still watchlisted, but I haven't had much time to be checking these articles since finals came up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:05, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * you lucky person, finals, ahh to be so well away from exams for years (decades in fact), always later it was overdue theses and projects instead... :( i think if the 203 ed returns, its a 3RR block... best of luck if you need it, otherwise, break a leg as they say! sats 09:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And so it was, and so he is. This is ridiculous. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. Why is the Suharto article blocked? Who exactly is vandalizing this article? Are you trying to discourage writers from making contributions to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purnomor (talk • contribs) 14:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Purnomor (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)This is ridiculous. Why is the Suharto article blocked? Who exactly is vandalizing this article? Are you trying to discourage writers from making contributions to Wikipedia?
 * You can learn about this at Protection policy. In this case, the article was protected due to repeated vandalism. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You can read the edit history of the article in question. It is Merbabu who vandalized article that has been unchanged for six months. It is his version that should be deleted, and returned to previous position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purnomor (talk • contribs) 16:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, no. Merbabu was returning it to the consensus version, namely that agreed (by the community) as preferable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Chopra FAC
Hello!, I noticed your comments on some of the Indian FACs and thought to inform you about my article which is at the fac. It would be great, if you could look at it once. Featured article candidates/Priyanka Chopra/archive2. Thank You.— Prashant 05:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see, but I haven't had much time to review lately owing to exams.06:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, its not a maintenance needed article but, a wellwrittten article. You'll need only one one look to decide the comments.— Prashant 06:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * At 40k characters, reading with a critical eye is not a light undertaking. I'm still behind on Archie MacLaren, which I promised Sarastro1 I'd look at. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, its your decision. But, look to it when you have time.— Prashant 06:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Phoa Keng Hek
The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Gender inequality in the United States
Crisco, can I ask you to take a look at this very soon? It's in Queue 1, so it's going to be promoted at 08:00 UTC Tuesday, not so very long after you wake up.

This was one of a set built by first-time prep assembler Futurist110, and unfortunately two errors were made: first, rather than substituting DYKsubpage, it looks like an attempt was made to promote by adding the various bits of template code by hand, which was not very successful. I'm currently redoing all of the promotions.

The second affects this one and one other so far: in a couple of cases, Futurist110 both approved and promoted a hook. I don't have time to do more than fix the promotions; in this case, with an article that seemed to have hook issues and possibly others, I'd like someone knowledgable to take a look at it and make sure it is okay. (The other, Daniel Vineyards, was fairly short and seemed okay, but if you want to take a look at it, too, that would be fine.) Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Pulled, although you can let me know if you think I'm being too much of a nitpicker. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sie Po Giok
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FAC
So, do you have time to look at my FAC. You promised but didn't looked and put your constructive comments. Please, look at it. Thanks.— Prashant 13:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "I'll see" is not a promise to actually make comments. I was planning on dropping by FAC later, but you've been quite pushy so if I do stop by don't expect all gumdrops and roses and mittens on kittens. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What it means? By the way I'm asking you as you promised to that.— Prashant 14:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, "I'll see" is not a promise. It means "I'll try", not "I'll do". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Its an unwanted comment and unwanted oppose. The reason is frivolous. You could have said directly to me that you are not interested in the article.— Prashant 15:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No oppose is wanted. I told you "I'll see", which you misunderstood as a promise to actually review the article. Should I dig up all of your posts on my talk page and build an even stronger case of canvassing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was not knowing that even asking someone will create an oppose. I was not knowing that. Please, be calm and let go what happened. Please, tweak your comments as we have put lot of effort to the article.— Prashant 15:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC) I told you let not this thing to oppose the article. You have made me cry. Please, forgive me. I just wanted more constructive comment for a stronger article. That's why I asked you. My intention was pure.— Prashant 15:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Pedro Pablo Caro
Crisco, when you get a chance, can you please take a look at this one? The reviewer has expressed continuing concerns over notability, and the review has been stalled for over a week. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sorga Ka Toedjoe
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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In relation to Indonesia
Hi Crisco. As you probably have heard, there's a great haze in Singapore, and it's apparently caused by... (Drum roll) Indonesia! Okay, do you mind pitching in your two cents at Talk:2013 Southeast Asian haze? This is just a friendly invitation, you can ignore it. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 12:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Saw the haze thing already. My nose is already plenty stuffy! I'll take a look, but right now it looks like Singapore's been redirected. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks! (Oh you poor thing) Yea, Arctic Kangaroo is looking to undo the redirect, while I oppose... ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 12:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, weighed in. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Two-cent piece (United States coin)
I'm still tweaking it, but it seems to qualify for DYK. Note that I've been adding references playing with the formatting for a few days now. Twenty-cent piece (United States coin) alas did not qualify.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:14, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. I see a dab (Clark) and some broken reference links, but since you're still tweaking I'll leave em alone for now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Nominated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alternate proposed, dab fixed, refs fixed. Still have to upload some images (patterns, mostly, from the trove of images I got at Colorado Springs in January).--Wehwalt (talk) 13:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've watchlisted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

T-T... eighth or ninth time lucky!
Back at FPC again, T-T makes another hopeful attempt! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Weighed in. By the way, I'm basing a new list on your List of works by H. C. McNeile. I may have to change it quite a bit, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks - fingers crossed this time! Looks good (although I did a double take as I thought it was the works of Abu Hamza!) If you need any thoughts or advice give me a shout - although not next week as I'm away! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Now that would be an interesting list to have on the main page. Alright, cheers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Seen the FLC: I'm flying off tonight, but I've added to the watchlist and I'll visit properly on my return. No glaring errors on a very quick glance. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 14:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, have a safe trip. I certainly hope there aren't glaring errors :) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Review request
I don't normally ask this, but could you possibly review Wesley Warren Jr. for me and can you see if it can be scheduled to cover the timeslot requested in the nomination? Prioryman (talk) 20:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Testicles? Oh my. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see it's already been added to prep 3. Do you think you could keep it out of a prep area for a day or so longer, so that it can run on Monday evening (UK time)? Prioryman (talk) 08:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Howland Cultural Center
Hi Crisco, sorry to bother you but if you get the chance could you have a quick look at this nomination, please? I don't know what used to happen on DYK so can't comment about it at all. I have reviewed everything else pending getting some additional input. I've also left this note on BlueMoonset's page. Thanks. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  16:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/George Foster Peabody
Forgive me, but did you mean to vote here? Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually intending to combat the misunderstanding that one needs to be super notable to have an FP, but I've revisited. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Arctic Kangaroo (  ✉  •  ✎  ) 08:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

One..
... autograph please -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * See User:Titodutta/Talk -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:24, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Sorry for the trouble on the DYK talk page. If anyone thinks that it should be removed, they can remove it. I completely misread one of your comments. My glasses hurt when I wear them so I occasionally take them off which I guess I shouldn't do on Wikipedia. SL93 (talk) 06:44, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry. It's a worthy topic, although the wrong forum for a general discussion. Our concerns do have some overlapping (the image needs to go from that BLP). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I will just forget about bringing up the issue. I would be lying if I wasn't scared of such big discussions. I participated in some when I was a new editor, but that made me not want to go back to them again. SL93 (talk) 06:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You're not the only one. I may be an admin, but to be quite frank ANI scares me. It's as if there is a hidden sign, "check sanity and reason at the door". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Erwin Arnada
Congratulations.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 12:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

500 DYK

 * Wow, congrats! Amazing work. -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats, both quality and quantity, and mostly in areas usually under covered.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 22:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Very impressed.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 22:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Danke. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Crisco! --Rosiestep (talk) 23:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Xie xie, Rosie. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

TFA by you, again, see? Precious, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Very nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:31, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Pumpkin Sky  talk  11:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Ivander12
Hello,

I have noticed that you have been contributing to pages created by Ivander12... so far, it appears that he has created a rash of pages, almost all (if not all of them) without any sources (see his contribs)... Thoughts?

Uberaccount (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My blocking of him should make my thoughts on the matter perfectly clear. The articles themselves are on notable subjects, but I'm only one person so I can't clean them up as fast as he's making them. I am trying, though. Compare his version of Izaak Huru Doko with the current one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Revert
What exactly did you mean by that revert? United States Man (talk) 03:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:10, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, if you can handle it I won't be conflicting with your work. Thanks for attempting to do something about all of this, United States Man (talk) 03:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It might not all be today, though. I'll try and get at least three of them done today (working on Moewardi now). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

apologies
Elsewhere in the Australian sense, unable to adequately respond while intransit, elsewhere brings on a range of responses that may not indeed be adequate, if the head is still in places of the last month or so, and the body is in these damned libraries, the responses would be more likely be not here,.... Yet, belum, Maaf... sats 07:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright... I cleaned up three already. Iwa Kusumasumantri was the funnest.. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Rii Sen image
I have requested one, but, most probably I'll not get reply,or something like this will happen (Parno Mittra did not mail) -- Tito ☸ Dutta 08:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Shame, though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Alexander Montagu, 13th Duke of Manchester
Hi, I'm puzzled by your closing comments here, "hasn't enough in-depth coverage aside from tabloid discussions".

I'm not going to defend the Daily Mail. It's a noxious rag and "tabloid" is a fair description, even though it usually passes the bar for WP. The Telegraph though and even the Express  are far from tabloids and certainly should be considered as RS.

I'm most concerned though by the way that this was nominated by an editor who trumpets their connection to Wikipediocracy at the top of their user page and the whole AfD seems to be the result of off-wiki canvassing though Wikipediocracy. That is not a way that WP should ever begin to work!

Unfortunately I missed the AfD notice for this one or I'd have commented earlier. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on these sources, I see a 1E issue (although that is not invoked in the discussion, far as I can tell, as they are both about a certain decision) iff they are enough to indicate a possibility of notability. If you believe a clearer consensus may be possible, I can reopen and relist the nom. I note, however, that many delete !votes were not from Wikipediocracy members. Newyorkbrad, for instance, !voted delete... and Wikipediocracy doesn't appear too fond of him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I follow the general principle that WP:Notability isn't inherited, but that inherited peers are notable. Their real-world notability (not WP:N) is inherited, this notability is covered in sources (The London Gazette at least, and almost certainly The Times. Neither of these are tabloids.), as they're covered in WP:RS, they then become WP:Notable. They are implicitly notable in much the same way as trivial villages like Rosside are – if they get that listing in the relevant journal of record, we then have to treat them as notable for our purpose.
 * I'm also curious as to why the several court cases, which are genuine cases, reported through robust newspaper sources, apparently make this person less notable. The uncomplimentary aspect is obvious, but that should never be a reason to suppress.
 * 1E? Which issue?  His inheritance of the title (for which, see above) or his actions that have led him to court. Either of these in isolation would be weak, although I think the first does stand by itself, but we're judging the combination of both, which is 2E at least. "Alex Montagu, plebian bigamist" certainly wouldn't pass N without a lot more to it, but I see this as a pokemon "gotta catch 'em all" article on peers first and foremost, with the court issues as content, rather than cause.
 * I'll ask NYB for a comment too. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not of the same view regarding peerage (there's got to be over a million minor nobles in royal houses throughout the globe at any moment, although I can't vouch for the number of UK peers). It may be that I am Canadian, but I can't quite get behind "all peers may be notable" without a policy or guideline relating to it.
 * I don't mind reopening this, and will do so forthright. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:01, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The "minor notability" aspect is a good one, but not as much of an issue in the UK as it is in much of Europe. Still, baronet would be quite a hard case to make for implicit notability, there are a great many of those. However this title is a duke, which is rare and high status, even though this one is only three hundred years old. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for re-opening this. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for clarifying your concerns. I'll watchlist the AFD — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Pumpkin in Gertie
Thanks a lot for the support! There actually is a footnote about the pumpkin, but maybe not where you expected it. I'll put it in the synopsis. Also, I converted the .png and .tif files to .jpg. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad to review, looks quite good. I'll look for the pumpkin footnote. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Two-cent piece (United States coin)
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Hook issue
You will probably want to respond here. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for List of works by Amir Hamzah
Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting piece... -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Compiling a couple sources for the list of Chairil Anwar's works (which have been translated to English as well, for the most part) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:25, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Very cool. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Move request
Hey man, been a while. Hate to bother you, but given your expertise in the field I was wondering if you could have a look at Talk:Strip Nude for Your Killer. I've put up a move request to have the original title restored in light of it being the one used by more and better sources, and in light of common practice these days being counter to what seems an outdated MOS entry (which was misrepresented in the original MR to begin with). You're probably the go-to guy for non-English films these days so your opinions would be useful if you could spare the time to have a look. GRAPPLE  X  21:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actor in a Drama Series/archive1
Hey there, I was hoping if you can give me opinions and comments on Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actor in a Drama Series/archive1 as you have done for Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series/archive1? I would love to hear what you have to say. Please and Thank you. It will be greatly appreciated! Regards. SoapFan12 00:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall only commenting on one source... I'll try and have a look tonight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for willing. I'm wondering what you meant by ­"I seem to recall only commenting on one source"? SoapFan12 00:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * At Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series/archive1 I only commented on Yahoo! Voices/Associated Content. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I understand. It does not matter, I'm happy that you commented, and I'm very grateful. Thanks again :) SoapFan12 00:10, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for F.D.J. Pangemanann
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tjerita Si Tjonat
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Trouts all around

 * See User talk:Gatoclass — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

MoF Indonesia
Hi, Thanks for your edits to Ministry of Forestry (Indonesia). I wanted to explain why I used the original title, both for the article itself, and within the article. Both were based on the Ministry's official website, which gave the official English translation of the name of the Ministry as: The Ministry of Forestry Republic of Indonesia. I dropped the 'The', thinking it not necessary, but kept the remainder of the official title/ translation. I agree with you about correct English grammar & standardized Wikipedia title name, but nevertheless had opted for the official title. Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries (I am somehow not surprised that they don't have a native speaker of English helping with the translations. At the very least they'd need a comma after "Forestry") — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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You reverted my edit
Hi, Crisco. You reverted my edit on Drmies' page; accidentally, I suppose, as I can't see any reason for it. The revert removed my attempt to "ping" Scott Mac. Bishonen &#124; talk 01:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC).
 * Oh, that was an accident. Sorry. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK very late
The DYK queue is empty, and the promotion to the main page was supposed to happen at 00:00 UTC, almost four hours ago.

There are now two sets ready to go. Unfortunately, they both have one of your hooks in them—I suppose I could have left both of them in the same set, as they were originally, but it seemed to me that Indonesian hooks should be separated, especially as one of them was a double hook. I hope, if you're around and there hasn't been a promotion, you can still bring yourself to moving one of the preps to the next queue so it can be moved by the bot. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like Orlady just took care of it. Glad it's been done. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response, I was on campus dealing with my exams and immigration papers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Moewardi
Orlady (talk) 03:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Queue 1
Hi Crisco, I'm not sure if you're about at the moment but if you are, could you have a look at the DYK nomination in Queue 1 please? There is a request for the wording of the hook to be tweaked, which was added to the template after it was promoted. I did the nom review and the amended wording is OK. I posted on the discussion page to try and get an Admin as it's due to move to the main page in a couple of hours. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  06:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, doing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you - now I can get some breakfast without being in 'panic mode' and risking indigestion!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  06:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Hook edit
Hi! Could you please change the Queue 1 hook from "that the failure of Prince Leopold Clement to marry his girlfriend..." to "that Prince Leopold Clement failure to marry his girlfriend..."? I wanted to avoid having "Prince Leopold Clement (pictured)" (since that sounded strange to me), but the image is not included, so we should probably use the more natural wording. Surtsicna (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Surtsicna (talk) 11:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:40, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Elang Darat
The DYK project (nominate) 11:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Poetri Rimba
The DYK project (nominate) 11:38, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

And another
Inspired by a new source of coin images, I've completed Elgin, Illinois, Centennial half dollar. Ignore the red script links, I may still add a bit or two there, I'll remove those sources if I don't. Would you mind doing the honors at DYK? I suggest something focusing on the fact that the dates of the Elgin Centennial (1835-1935) do not appear on the coin.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Shouldn't "sold directly to the collector at the issue price." be "sold directly to collectors at the issue price." in the lede? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And shouldn't this be at Elgin, Illinois, centennial half dollar? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No, by numismatic convention, only "half dollar" is lower case on these things. It makes sense, the "Elgin Centennial" was an event, and so should have a proper noun.  I'm still hunting for images.  The statue's out of bounds as Rovelstad lived til 1990.  I'll make the other change you mentioned.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so "Elgin, Illinois, Centennial" is the noun phrase, not "centennial half dollar". Thanks. Nom is done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. There's no official name on these, and to be honest, the sources use different variants, like Elgin (Illinois) Centennial half dollar.  Images are a bit of a problem as Rovelstad lived to 1990 and I don't think a photo of the completed monument would be justifiable. Possibly there is literature out there without a copyright and pre-1978.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Crossing fingers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe "Elgin (Illinois) Centennial half dollar" would be better, the sources would support that too.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Except our standardisation for place names is (City), (Province/State). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData is here
Hey Crisco 1492

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Noesa Penida
The DYK project (nominate) 03:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you currently adopting?
Hello,

I was wondering if you were currently adopting users.... For some reason, I have quite a few users whom I redirect to others for adoption, and if you're free to take up an adoptee or two, I'll maybe send a couple of them your way. :)

Please tell me if you're free enough to take any.

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I have time for one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Noted. I'll send one your way, if I find anyone waiting for adoption.
 * Cheers,
 * TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Iwa Koesoemasoemantri
Gatoclass (talk) 10:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter request
Hey Crisco. I have to get a feature done for the Video Games newsletter relating to Featured Pictures. Would you by any chance give me a soundbite about the Featured Pictures Candidate process? GamerPro64 15:15, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Recently, users such as Sven Manguard have been negotiating OTRS releases for screenshots (and even trailers) from indie video game companies; the companies recognise that file donations benefit not just us, but them in the long run. Evan Amos has likewise done a fantastic job taking pictures of game consoles (as I'm sure many members of the project already know), and if I'm not mistaken every last mainstream game console article has at least one image by him. At least two screenshots and two console pictures are already featured, and I'm sure there are more on the way. However, other aspects related to gaming are poorly developed; what about diagrams illustrating concepts such as aggro, for instance? That is an area which certainly has room for development, and which project members may be able to provide spectacular results through the creation of SVG diagrams and GIF or OGG videos; we had File:Circlestrafing animation.gif, and it's still quite useful, but it was ultimately removed. Video game editors should remember that the concepts behind the games themselves may prove more difficult to understand for lay readers than the games themselves. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This is good. I'll be sure to mention you said this. Also, I see that you nominated an picture of the PlayStation 2. By the looks of it its going to pass tonight. GamerPro64  15:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Something like that, yeah. I've been nominating Evan's stuff for a while now (he does do really good product pictures; I just restore and/or download high quality scans of paintings) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh right. Evan has certainly taken some nice looking pictures of consoles. Surprised only two of them are FPs so far. GamerPro64  15:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think part of it is that only eight or so of Evan's pictures were nominated. Three that passed were not video games (Bananagrams and a camera come to mind) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I might have some more screenshots coming soon. No promises though.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  18:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds very, very good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Elgin, Illinois, Centennial half dollar
Gatoclass (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Annie Landouw
Gatoclass (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

SL93
I'm tempted to give him an unblock, but wanted your take on it, too. He showed up on IRC and seems to me that he wouldn't continue the war, but he was totally unaware of WP:3RR. I checked and I don't see any indication he was warned (except in the comments of the edits, which actually only said "3R" and I don't think he actually knew what that even meant). Given that he wouldn't continue the behavior, I don't believe that the block is necessary any longer. What are your thoughts? -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 14:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Shirik, I think that s/he has had the opportunity to learn, and expressed an understanding of the related policies. I would be surprised if SL93 continued the edit warring (although I'm surprised that s/he never heard of 3RR). Unblocking is fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

List of poetry collections
Thank you for your addition today to this article. Are there other Indonesian collections you can add to the list? I agree we need a lot more diversity and global-reach to the article which right now is largely (and regrettably) American and to a lesser extent Northern European.--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Easily notable ones (although which we don't have articles on yet)
 * Buah Rindu – Amir Hamzah
 * Deru Campur Debu – Chairil Anwar
 * Kerikil-Kerikil Tajam dan yang Terampas dan yang Putus – Chairil Anwar


 * Certainly a couple others, although I can't think of any off the top of my head. I think some of Rendra's stuff would likely be notable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK help
Hey, do you mind weighing in here? You sort of blocked the person reviewing it and it was in need of a second opinion.-- The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 16:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like the user in question has now been unblocked. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I said that I left it for a second opinion. SL93 (talk) 03:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I also see that it was accepted. SL93 (talk) 03:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've weighed in. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Izaak Huru Doko
Gatoclass (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for List of works by Chairil Anwar
The DYK project (nominate) 01:37, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * --Khazar2 (talk) 01:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I seem to be on a poetry binge... last article was a poetry collection. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

PR
It would be a pleasure. It may be the middle of this week before I get to it though. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Tēvita ʻUnga
Can you help me merge the revision history for Tēvita ʻUnga and User:KAVEBEAR/Tēvita ʻUnga?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Dekha, Na-Dekhay
Crisco, I wasn't sure whether you'd seen this: Tito hasn't heard from the other creator, and is withdrawing the nomination. You were the one who brought up close paraphrasing, so you may want to check further; I thought I'd let you take care of the X icon under the circumstances. I'm happy to take care of the final rejection once you've placed the closing icon. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sourcing is an issue there. I am unable to find sources in ToI, Telegraph, Hindu etc. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 22:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks for the heads up. Posted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Closed. Though it took me until the next day to do it... ;-) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

something that slipped through
nafas of copyvio - anythoughts? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gunung_Kidul_Regency&diff=prev&oldid=558157062 might be that I dont have very good sense of smell, but... it would be good for a check with an in-country ed - close to month away from hong kong and a long coffee/beer or two? sats 08:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, copyvio from here by the looks of it. Looking forward to a good coffee/beer. Speaking of beer, my wife's out of the house... *buy* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll need a few, had my son return on a cheap flight from eastern australia late last night, unwell and dispirited - just think - wm have me on a cheap flight from oz for hk, I'll need days of beer to recuperate methinks sats 08:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Particularly if they drive anything like Indonesians! (Don't think they do though) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, I think this needs to go off wiki, I suspect I could libel up to 8 different countries and even more cultures if I were to go down this particular line of conversation!!! sats 08:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:48, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series/archive1
I know I have asked you before if you can give comments, and you did! I am very grateful, I was wondering if you will be interested on reviewing : Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series/archive1. If it's not possible for you, I understand. But it will be greatly appreciated! SoapFan12 01:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I will try to take a look. While your at it, you may consider reviewing other people's nominations. That sometimes spurs them to try and review yours. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That a great idea, thank you for the advice. SoapFan12 02:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have responded to you're comments. I still do not understand what you mean by "tables are not closed"?. Can you please clarify. (bottom of each table, first column), sorry but do not understand what you meant. SoapFan12 12:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Look at the very bottom. The black line is missing, which means your row span parameter is not correct. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I still do not understand. I know that is not you're job to do this, however can you do one for me, then I am certain I will understand. SoapFan12 12:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did one, see if you can spot the difference. There's still another 2 which need fixing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I sport the difference. Can you please check if the ones that needed fixing are fix? SoapFan12 13:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please be more clear? Which ones are needed to be fix? SoapFan12 16:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll just do it. I'm quite surprised you can't see the missing line at the very bottom of the tables. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry. Can you forgive me? It wasn't you're job to do this. However, thank you for trying to put up with me. LOL, ahhaha. Again, I'm sorry. Plus, are you ready to resolved you're comments and give you're support or is there more? SoapFan12 00:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Added a couple prose comments. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Just in case you stop in once more tonight...
... the DYK queues are all empty and the next bot update is in about an hour. If you can move the next prep, that would be good. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Darn, I missed it by about 10 minutes (was enjoying The Legend of Dragoon) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)



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Ref 2 Harvnb
Can you check why ref2 of this page is not working User:Titodutta/Sister Christine — there are two authors. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. You spelled Gallagher's name wrong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:58, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Padamu Jua
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
On the GA/FA section. Arctic Kangaroo (  ✉  •  ✎  ) 14:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Great North 10K
Hi Crisco, I'm sorry to bother you (yet again) but I've been trying to help with this DYK nomination as Matty.007 seems to have had another recent nomination that's on the point of being rejected. I'm just not sure if my arithmetic for this is 100% right, so I'm hoping you can find the time, and wouldn't mind, doing a quick double check? SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  12:34, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Crisco ..... so does the 'list' of sponsors that appeared in the May version get counted in the character tally? I thought 'lists' were excluded - although with the way it was presented it was included by the DYK checker? I manually subtracted the 'list' to get the 626 character count for the old version   SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  14:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My arithmatic was wrong, but still not eligible. This version is 1k characters, meaning the article needs at least 5k. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking again. That is the version I was working from but I subtracted the 375 characters that made up the 'list' part in that versions 1001 character DYK checker total, which is where I got the 626 character count from. At the end of the day, it still means the article has been improved, even if Matty hasn't got a DYK credit from it. Thanks again for your help, it's much appreciated.  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  15:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. It does look quite nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the article a bit more now as it looks like Matty might have abandoned it. Although I think it's now over 5k, it might have to be closed as the expansion is outside the allowed time frame? But never mind, I've enjoyed playing with it - makes a change from dog articles or Scottish Lairds and their estate!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  16:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Replied at the DYK nom; I need some shut-eye, so nothing too detailed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you - it's only teatime here (5.30pm ish) but "Goodnight".....  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  16:40, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nyanyi Sunyi
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Adopting
Hello.

I am currently l am currently looking for a user to adopt me and was directed towards you. I am relatively new to Wikipedia but not to editing as I have been on Wikia for around a year and a half. But I am mainly wanting to be adopted to be taught about Wikipedia's Policies and Guidelines as well as how to bring articles up to good or feature standard and assessment. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I hope to hear back from you. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 22:18, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Rainbow Shifter. I've created a page to get you started. We can add more as we go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:29, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari
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Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari is an 1884 Malay-language syair (poem) by Lie Kim Hok. Adapted from the Sjair Abdoel Moeloek, it tells of a woman who passes as a man to free her husband from the Sultan of Hindustan, who had captured him in an assault on their kingdom. Written over a period of several years and influenced by European literature, the work differs from earlier syairs in its use of suspense and emphasis on prose rather than form. It also incorporates European realist views to expand upon the genre while maintaining several of the hallmarks of traditional syairs. Critical views have emphasised various aspects of its story, finding in the work an increased empathy for women's thoughts and feelings, a call for a unifying language in the Dutch East Indies, and a polemic regarding the relation between tradition and modernity. A commercial and critical success, Siti Akbari was twice reprinted; in 1940 it was adapted to film. When Sjair Abdoel Moeloek influence became clear in the 1920s, Lie was criticised as unoriginal. However, Siti Akbari remains one of the better known syairs written by an ethnic Chinese author, and Lie was later styled the "father of Chinese Malay literature". UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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Albertus Soegijapranata (1896–1963) was a Javanese cleric who became the first native Indonesian bishop upon being created as Archbishop of Semarang in 1940. Born to a Muslim family in Surakarta, Dutch East Indies, in 1910 he converted to Catholicism and was ordained in 1931. First serving as a pastor in Yogyakarta, Soegijapranata was consecrated as the vicar apostolic of the newly established Apostolic Vicariate of Semarang in 1940, moving to the city to take the position. During the Japanese occupation, Soegijapranata resisted attempts to seize Church property, including his vicariate's cathedral, and protected the area's Catholics. During the ensuing national revolution (1945–49) he promoted a nationalist cause, moving his seat to Yogyakarta to support the new government and working to promote international recognition of Indonesia's independence. During the post-revolution years he wrote extensively against communism and worked towards a self-determined Indonesian Roman Catholic hierarchy. He was made an archbishop in 1961, dying two years later in the Netherlands. Soegijapranata is now considered a National Hero of Indonesia and in 2011 a biopic on him was released. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Just a note of appreciation for putting up two interesting articles for consideration at TFA, with blurbs in the correct format and of proper length. You have no idea how much easier that makes life for me! Regards, BencherliteTalk 23:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can imagine (although writing FP blurbs isn't as much of a headache) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Swami Vivekananda
Can you help the article Swami Vivekananda to achieve FA (and GA status)? The article was nominated, and it failed as the reviewer found a years-old close paraphrasing issue (which has been fixed now). Since my one (GA) nomination failed, I do not want to take risk once again (personal superstition). I don't want any attribution, you can nominate the article. But, I'll be there to work. The next very important date is 11 September (on 11 September 1893, Vivekananda gave his first lecture at Chicago). -- Tito ☸ Dutta 00:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know the subject matter nearly well enough to nominate at FA. I could review, though, and you could easily nominate it (after checking for close paraphrasing issues, just to be safe) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll inform you about the progress. Can you check this one: Wikipedia_talk:DYK? If no one attends that one in next one hour or so. I'll move a hook to the next queue. Today is Vivekananda's death anniversary, I don't want to see a hook is being removed from the main page. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 00:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Titodutta,I have doubts over the prose of the article. I don't have the time to go over it, as of now. If possible, request some native English speaker to have a look.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Since we have just bent over backwards to make sure the recent Swami Vivekananda hooks were given special consideration for DYK on July 4, I was distressed to see this request, with User:Titodutta asking User:Solomon7968 to nominate a DYK for him, which was subsequently done for Template:Did you know nominations/Swami Vivekananda statue (Golpark, Kolkata). Another request (presumably not yet done) is later made for the article Inspired Talks about a Vivekananda book, with a "Sister Christine" article apparently waiting in the wings.

Although the reason given is the number of nominations Tito Dutta already has in process, it nevertheless has the effect of bypassing the QPQ requirement. Indeed, the statue nomination explicitly says that no QPQ is needed because it isn't a self-nomination. At a time when we're struggling for reviews, this is simply unacceptable. I will be placing a note on that nomination saying that a QPQ will be required, and request that Tito make his own nominations going forward, especially as Swami Vivekananda is his bailiwick and the articles his creation. Crisco, if you think I'm out of line in any of this, please let me know, but whatever the motives, I can't see allowing the QPQ avoidance to stand. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Titto, as a DYK regular, should still do some reviews (even if it's not a self nom). I did a QPQ the last time I nominated an article by Wehwalt. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have QPQs done in advance now (and there are few QPQs which I never used and forgotten). I also gift others QPQ (see second comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Gurudas Banerjee) IT (Inspired Talks) has been nominated. QPQ has been done. Generally when I ask others to nominate I provide a QPQ in addition, see User_talk:Dharmadhyaksha. The reason of asking Solomon was mentioned right there: 4—5 pending nominations at the queue. Tito ☸ Dutta 03:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There are people who have more articles nominated than that, so I don't think four or five are an issue. Look at Dr. Blofeld, for example: he has two dozen pending nominations at last count, with a new one added practically every day. If they are your own articles, you should be nominating them, not asking other people to do that task for you. I am glad, however, that you will be doing QPQs for these articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A new one every day? More like three. But yeah, there's no limit to the number of self-noms a person can have up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:04, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * User:Bluemoonset, it is inappropriate to mention Sister Christine User:Titodutta/Sister Christine here. Though it already passes DYK length criteria, the article is not at all complete and I don't think I can finish work before third or fourth week of July. If you see, I have mentioned about Sister Christine at Crisco's talk page and few other user's talk page too. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why it was inappropriate to mention: you had listed it in the same sentence as another article you wanted him to nominate, as if it would be another one for him to nominate when it was ready. If you nominate it yourself, then I have no issue with it whenever it should happen to be ready. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * User:BlueMoonset, I have created a tracker page User:Titodutta/DYK tracker -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If it helps you keep track, then it's a good thing for you to have. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Djaoeh Dimata
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Coboy Junior
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I notice that you continue to be a s prolific as ever. And you're delivering some very interesting articles. Keep up the good work! Regards, --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 06:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's mostly been 60 year old films recently though (Films of the Dutch East Indies is about a third of the way full already). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

FAC
Hey Crisco. Would you mind taking a look at my latest FAC nomination? It is pretty short, and is in good shape :) — ΛΧΣ  21  02:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw that (it's the never-released game, right?). I've got an article I plan to nominate later today, so I'll take a look after that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the never-released game :) I could take a look at your article too, though I rarely venture beyond video game reviews :P — ΛΧΣ  21  02:57, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be appreciated, but I want to upload the novelisation (anonymous, so PD) before I make the nomination. I'll have to do that at home. (scan was done with two pages on one image, which means it will be somewhat difficult to read) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Tlg bantu sy
Bung, bisa tdk anda surati User:Shyamal. Tanyakan k dia, "ente ini asli India atawa bukan"? Lagi, minta juga dia menambahkan catatan2 perihal Cyornis banyumas. Klopun tdk bisa, sy minta "Tuan Gadang nan Saurang" (Tuan Besar) menyurati User:Jimfbleak. Sebab, Bung bisa bahasa Inggris dgn baik. Sedangkan beta, tdk. Lalu, saat ini beta kekurangan catatan ttg spesies. Hanya ini dan ini. Jadi, beribu2 trima kasih sy hatur kpd Tuan Gadang.

Tabik. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 04:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Catatan apakah yang diperlukan? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Deskripsi, sarang, dan ttg telur. Kalaupun tdk bisa, cukuplah kpd User:Jimfbleak. Sebab, sy yakin Toean Jim F. Bleak ini asli barat. Jadi, Tuan pasti bisa bicara bhs Inggris lebih lancar kpd dia ketimbang kpd Shyamal. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 02:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Bukannya ada di buku-buku mengenai burung Nusantara? Itu termasuk informasi yang agak dasar. Kalau pengalaman pribadi, sepertinya Jim tidak punya (I don't think Jim has observed Cyornis banyumas on his own), dan kalaupun punya, tidak bisa dirujuk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Klo Shyamal, burung ini menurut ini karya Thomas C. Jerdon, burung ini ada d India. Nah, kebetulan Shyamal suka mengurusi burung2 d India (lihat User:Shyamal/todo), jadi cobakan dahulu k Shyamal. Btw, ornitolog terkenal dari Kanada itu contohnya sapa sih, Bung?" -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 03:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya kurang tahu kalau ornitolog dari Kanada... Apakah ada sumber di Internet? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ente sudah tanya k Shyamal belum? Sy pikir, artikel Sikatan cacing sulit dikembangkan. Sy tdk mau lagi ikut campur t'hadap artikel ini. Sy mau coba peruntungan sy d artikel burung Parbeng (paruh bengkok) Lorius lory dgn buku Catalogue of Birds of the Psittaci, or Parrots in the Collection of the British Museum (Katalog Paruh Bengkok dalam Koleksi British Museum). Apabila ada berita ttg ornitologi, klak beta sampaikan lagi.

-- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 05:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC) Belumlah, karena pengalaman dia itu riset asli dan tidak dapat dipertanggungjawabkan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * O, ya. Sy ada satu lagi permintaan. Sy masih kurang data perihal Lorius lory alias id:Kasturi kepala-hitam. Jadi, bisa tdk anda mintakan some note about breeding, terutama perilaku sewaktu perkawinan kpd Jim F. Bleak. Sebab, klo d buku sy dikatakan telurnya ada 2, dierami sekitar 27 hari dan mulai terbang pada usia 8 minggu (itu informasi yg dasar).

Yg jelas, sy kekurangan catatan perihal perilaku hewan ini. Jadi, yg jelas sy minta abang sampaikan keinginan sy t'hadap tuan Jim. Sebab, artikel itu mau sy calonkan sebagai Artikel Bagus. Pada akhirnya, beribu-ribu terima kasih beta hatur kpd Tuan.

Tabik. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Baik, saya akan bertanya (tapi saya juga akan minta rujukan) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Miriam Battista
Crisco, do you think the image is okay to use? I almost made it the lead hook, but then got stuck. (Rosiestep didn't directly address Tito's worries on the photo.) If it's a publicity photo, I'm assuming it was used as such the year it was taken—when Battista was eight—but was that when she was really eight (1920–21), or after she'd been made two years younger in other stories (1922–23) and was said to be eight although she was ten? If the latter, we're potentially over the dividing line into 1923 (her birthday was in the summer), though the picture of her with Coolidge from 1923 (the year he became president after the death of Harding) makes her look significantly older and a bit tall for lap-sitting. Anyway, let me know. We already have an actor in Prep 1, but she could head Prep 2 if the image is eligible. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 00:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This is dated 1922 if you want to play with it (or I can). The original portrait from which the headshot is cropped was taken by Ira L. Hill (died 1947), but I haven't found what year it was published. I don't doubt it's PD (highly unlikely that it had a copyright notice on it, even if it was published in 1924) but without a look at the back I can't be 100% sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Crisco, thanks for the offer. To be honest, I don't like the 1922 cultural institute photo as much: she looks older and more mature ... and happy, which doesn't fit the "cry on camera" hook at all. (I can see the connection between the 1922 photo and the Coolidge 1923.) What about the photo of her crying in the article, the 1920 publicity photo from Humoresque? It's not as good an image, to my mind, as the Hill photo, but it's an illustration of the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't find any other use of the image to confirm it's from a publicity shot (though if it is it's certainly PD). I found this still, but it's a different one. My connection doesn't allow me to stream video, so I'll be unable to check if its a screenshot. However, based on the costume (same in both images) I think this one would be safe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've just proposed using that image in the nomination template. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito is understandably objecting to the image because Commons says it was created in 2012 instead of 1920. (I suspect that it may have been scanned in 2012, and uploaded by someone—one of the article's authors—who didn't understand what that date meant.) Is this something you can change? I'm not sure we can use it if you can't... BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fixing it is fine (and done) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Video Game Newsletter
Hey Crisco. Just letting you know that the soundbite you gave me for my Feature on Featured Pictures can be seen here. The Features not much but your help was extremely appreciated. GamerPro64 00:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Unsticking old DYK noms
Crisco, I'm asking you and Orlady (who's getting the same list) to take a look at some of the oldest DYK nominations, if you have time: the ones that seem to be badly mired. If either of you can unstick any them, that would be great. They are:


 * May 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Business tourism: this one got stuck when there was disagreement as to whether this was really different from business travel, and now there's a new disagreement over whether it should be closed for inaction. I'm sure one of you would know what needs to be done.
 * May 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Kitty: There have been issues with the BBC site and close paraphrasing surrounding it. Is it finally okay?
 * May 27: Template:Did you know nominations/Hamburg Steak: should this be a separate article, or folded into "hamburger"? (It does seem to be different from Salisbury steak, and an earlier invention besides.)
 * June 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh: the article had been quite unstable, but it seems to have calmed down (no edits at all in the past 40 hours, the RfC closed on July 3). The big problem is the hook: Faizan and Zayeem have deadlocked over it, and we have mutually unacceptable original (Faizan) and ALT1 (Zayeem) versions. I suggested that a new ALT2 be proposed, but neither seems willing, wanting it to be from a neutral party. Can either of you step in and propose one? Please?
 * June 9: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Snowden: still getting dozens of edits a day (very unstable) nearly four weeks after creation. Should it be closed, or ought we to keep waiting?
 * June 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Mink industry in Denmark: after several go-rounds, Nikkimaria seems to think that this needs a thorough ref check, see User talk:Nikkimaria. Thoughts?
 * June 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Wennergren: the hook is about Wennergren's son rather than him. Mentoz86 thinks that's a problem. Care to chime in with a new hook or another thought now that over two weeks have passed?

Thank you both very much, and I apologize that there are so many. These need a more experienced touch than I have. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to have a go later today. I'm working on a translation of Riffaterre's Semiotics of Poetry right now (though the deadline is still a ways away) so I'm going to have to put that first. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be wonderful. They've waited this long; more hours or even a day or two is worth it. :-) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just realized I forgot one: Template:Did you know nominations/Diana Russell, Duchess of Bedford: this is just for an opinion—should it be allowed to be a special occasion hold even though it was nominated a couple of weeks too soon? (Creator would have held the article if six-week limit had been known.) You can be deciding vote. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

List
I'm working on a list and plan to nominate it for FLC. Any help or a prose correction will be helpful. this article is is very well position. Take a look.— Prashant 03:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

List to art cat move
Thanks for moving - I see the logic of what you have done... keep up the hard work... sats 08:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Trying, trying... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Djoemala
The DYK project (nominate) 08:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hill Blue Flycatcher
It's a bit outside my core area, but I'm sure I can at least come up with a description. The existing ref covers status, and I'll see what else I can dig up. Might be a couple of days, since it's actually hot and sunny here!  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:08, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

If you search for "Cyornis banyumas" on Google Books, one of the links is a full preview of the Birds of East Asia page 442. That gives a description and voice, should get you started (any problem viewing, let me know, I have the book)  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:14, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Jim, seumpama sy gunakan Thomas C. Jerdon's The Birds of India dan satu ref. from Indonesia sendiri, Mengenal Hewan & Tumbuhan Asli Indonesia'', bagaimana pendapat Tuan?

NB:Silakan terjemah pesan sy d atas menggunakan Google Translate. Tabik. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 10:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Akbar is asking "Jim, if I were to use Thomas C. Jerdon's The Birds of India and an Indonesian ref, what do you think?" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:58, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Jerdon's fine for description (that's usually the easy bit), but doesn't mention voice, so you need a ref for that as well really.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Jerdon boleh digunakan untuk deskripsi (biasanya itu yang paling mudah), tetapi ia tidak membahas suara burung itu, jadi Anda juga membutuhkan rujukan untuk hal tersebut".
 * Thanks a lot Jim. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, terima kasih, Jim. Sekarang, beta harus kembangkan Lorius lory (Black-capped Lory; Indonesianya kasturi kepala-hitam) dan itu tadi, Hill Blue Flycatcher. Pengembangan anda t'hadap artikel Hill Blue Flycatcher penting karena mau sy terjemah. Dan terakhir, sy ucapkan terima kasih atas jawabannya. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Lie Kim Hok
Lie Kim Hok is defying the filters for Category:Possible Wikipedia four award articles because no one included its GA promotion in T:AH.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:20, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In fact, the GA, PR and DYK should all be consolidated into T:AH.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. Time to fix it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Drowning Girl
Thanks for your editorial assistance at Drowning Girl in recent weeks. Please comment at Featured article candidates/Drowning Girl/archive1‎.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can do something tonight (my time) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have attempted to respond to your concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please cap your comments rather than move them to the talk page. No one will be able to figure out what concerns I was addressing if they are moved there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I have addressed all of your concerns.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that you feel your remaining comments at the FAC await responses. I believe that more than half of them would need further concern from you to merit a response.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Lie Kim Hok

 * That's almost unbelievable... well done, sir! -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I didn't quite expect that second one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
✉→ Arctic Kangaroo ←✎ 08:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Open Broadcaster Software
Re the above AFD, while there wasn't exactly much of it, it was the opinion of the two editors that it ought to be userfied - would you consider it acceptable for me to do so?-- Jac 16888 Talk 09:43, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, userfying would be good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note
Hi Crisco, I've started an RFC on proposed adjustments to the governance of the featured-article forums. This is relevant to the recent edit-war on the FAC instructions and your page protection this morning. Tony  (talk)  11:24, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

City for Publication
I have completed the city for publication sources for Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series/archive1, can you please check if I did them correctly? Thanks in advance. SoapFan12 19:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That looks about right. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

T-T review
Many thanks for all your comments so far. Just one question on your last point: "duplicate links (the tool picks up a couple)". Can you point me in the direction of the tool? It sounds just the sort of thing that would be of use, not just here but elsewhere. Many thanks! - SchroCat (talk) 19:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. User:Ucucha/duplinks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fantastic: many thanks for that. It works very nicely indeed and I can see myself using it a lot in the future. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Always glad to give pointers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Nature of America
I notice that you have closed the deletion request on Nature of America because of no consensus. However another very similar article Celebrate the Century was deleted. That one too was relisted twice to get better results and like this one did not attract any more results. The only reason that article got a little more feedback was due to my "keep" request and reasoning for keep. Whereas in Nature of America I didn't go to argue and that had only one delete request. In fact that article had little more content than Nature of America has. Was that article worth deleting while this one wasn't? The argument for both were the same.-- PremKudva    Talk   04:20, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I cannot speak for Metropolitan90, who closed the Celebrate the Century discussion. For NoA, I generally (and I think most admins agree) do not close as delete with only two !votes because that is not exactly a consensus; I generally expect at least three votes before closing either keep or delete. Note how Celebrate the Century had at least three !votes, which may have been a deciding factor. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for that info.-- PremKudva    Talk   11:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Pāpā
Could you merge the history of Pāpā and Papahānaumoku and delete Pāpā which is an inaccurate form of the goddess' name.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If some sources use Pāpā, wouldn't that be a valid redirect? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No sources use Pāpā that's the problem because Pāpā (to touch or forbid) means something entirely different in Hawaiian from Papa (broad) .--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And it's gone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Charles V
Yes=support? Just to make sure. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes = support, yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/C/O Sir
Crisco, could you please weigh in on whether the image here is copyrightable or not? Once you've done that, I think we can call for a reviewer once again, but I'd like to have the image issue settled first, since the average reviewer probably doesn't know enough to do so. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination for the second time - procedure?
Do you know the procedure to nominate an article at DYK for the second time? First time it was quick-failed. On 29 December reviewer told the article does not pass length criteria and within 2 days the discussion was closed. Someone else nominated it on my behalf and I did not watchlist the page. See Template:Did you know nominations/Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda

It was one of the most unfortunate failures. The article had 20,000+ bytes in list at that time, we could easily expand the prose section. Anyway, past is past. What we could do at that time, I am going to do it now. It'll not be a difficult task since I need to expand from 400 bytes to 2000 bytes (though I'll attempt to write a fine and engaging lead).

Nut, do you know the procedure to nominate an article for the second time? Should I start the nomination below the previous nomination or at Template:Did you know nominations/Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda 2? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 17:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd start something at Template:Did you know nominations/Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda 2 as the nomination name does not affect anything. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, book titles should be in italics. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)