User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 44

Novel Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang
Saya ada saran, bagaimana kalau artikel Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang (novel) ditayangkan di halaman utama Wikipedia Bahasa Inggris tanggal 28 Oktober? Soalnya, bulan Oktober diperingati sebagai Bulan Bahasa di Indonesia, yang memperingati Sumpah Pemuda. Maaf, saya sendiri tidak bisa bahasa Inggris, jadinya saya bicara dengan anda menggunakan bahasa Indonesia. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 13:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya merasa itu terlalu berdekatan dengan hari lahirnya Lie Kim Hok; saya hendak mengajukan artikelnya untuk "Today's Featured Article" pada tanggal 1 November. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, bukannya novel Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang dibuat oleh Kwee Tek Hoay? Sedangkan Lie Kim Hok sendiri membuat novel Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari yang tayang bulan Juli yang lalu... Namun, begitu 'ya maksud anda, padahal kalau tayang pada hari Sumpah Pemuda itu adalah satu kebanggan bagi saya 'lho... Kalaupun berdekatan, itu adalah bagus bagi saya... Hanamanteo (talk) 01:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)'
 * Memang buku itu bukan dikarang Lie Kim Hok, tetapi subjeknya terlalu berdekatan. Kita harus mempertimbangkan segala topik yang sudah dipilih di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris, dan memastikan bahwa tidak ada yang terlalu mirip. Kalau Indonesia / Hindia Belanda muncul setiap hari selama satu minggu, pasti pembaca akan mengeluh. Tahun depan masih ada, dan BRdTj dapat dipaparkan pada tanggal 28 Oktober 2014. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nani Widjaja
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

99 Cahaya di Langit Eropa
Saya pernah dengar, katanya novel 99 Cahaya di Langit Eropa sedang dibuatkan filmnya, malahan saya baca di surat kabar penyanyi Indonesia Fatin Shidqia Lubis menjadi salah satu dari calon pemeran film itu, lihat di sini. Film ini bercerita tentang kehidupan Islam di Eropa yang tentunya menarik karena belum ada satupun jua film Indonesia yang mengisahkan hal itu. Kalau dibuat dan dikembangkan dengan baik, mungkin bisa menjadi AP di WBI maupun Wikipedia Bahasa Inggris. Namun, kalau saya ada waktu buat menulisnya, apakah artikel yang Insyaallah saya buat (kalau tiada halangan) harus terdiri dari Pengantar, Alu Cerita, Produksi, Tema dan Gaya, Penerimaan, dan Penghargaan (jika dinominasikan di Festival Film Indonesia) sama seperti ? yang selalu ditolak di rumahnya sendiri (maksudnya di WBI)? Kalau ada waktu, mungkin anda ingin mencari rujukan yang cukup, biar atikel ini tidak dianggap artikel tanpa rujukan. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 01:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya sudah pernah membaca novel tersebut, tetapi baru sekarang tahu kalau ia sedang difilmkan. Saya belum tertarik untuk menulis lagi tentang film-film tahun 2000-an, jadi untuk sementara saya belum bisa. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Kalau anda belum tertarik, mengapa anda menulis artikel ? (film)? Hanamanteo (talk) 09:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Untuk menulis lagi", alias pernah dan sekarang sudah kurang tertarik. Film ? ditulis pada tahun 2011/2012. Ini sekarang 2013, Dik. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Adam Kadmon
Hello, I have seen that you have closed the discussion Articles_for_deletion/Adam_Kadmon_(character). Can I kindly ask you to reconsider this decision? Please take a look at the AfD discussion. As you can see there is no explanation about what's wrong (if anything) with the article and which points of WP:GNG and WP:BIO are not met. Furthermore I can say that this discussion does not meet the AfD criteria for mainly 2 reasons:
 * 1) Few people say it's not notable without giving any arguments. According to the AfD rules, arguments must be provided. In WP:ATA there is written to avoid this kind of "argumentations";
 * 2) 1 person wrote that this article must be deleted immediately. - In this case also there is no argumentation at all. Nor any linkage with the Wikipedia policies.

In addition I would like to add that no consensus at all has been reached. And I would like to enphasize az well the difference between consensus and voting. With this I kindly ask you to reconsider and reopen the discussion because no consensus was met. Thank you for understanding. Thanks -- ★ Pikks ★  MsG  10:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Or, perhaps, you could actually read what people have written in their comments. The Kadmon article was written as if it were a Wikia entry and, per WP:TNT, could be deleted and rewritten from scratch. I can userfy the content for you if you want to expand it, but I should note that 1) "promotional" is certainly a valid criteria for deletion, as is non-notable and 2) your own !vote was based on an "it's notable" argument; I don't see you putting forth a single reference, nor an other evidence that the topic is notable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your reply. Let me please assess the points you mentioned.

Promotional: you wrote to "read what people have written in their comments". Right. People wrote it at the very beginning. Please read the dates of those comments and check the edit history of the article. After those comments I have spent hours in editing the article according to WP:NPOV. So that all the non neutral tone was removed. As you can see from my comment on August 25 the article had been edited. To be sincere the article had a lot of edits since it was sent to AfD. As I can see from your note above, you just read the comments, but not the article itself.

If you still believe that there is some promotional tone somewhere, please say where, and it can be edited. According to the policies 'Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases.' and 'Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic.' can be deleted, for minor non neutral points there are other kind of resolutions, such as templates. In my opinion there is no more biased text, and if you think that there is still something it is for sure some very little piece or bad-chosen word, for sure it's not a exclusively promotional article, thus a deletion would be a bad choice.

non-notable: there are reliable sources that are verifiable, and there are as well primary sources, which are confirmed by secondary and tertiary sources which are completely independent from the subject. This literatures includes not only websites, but also national and international newspapers, as well as books. Since according to the rules a person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, the person is notable. This article not only meets the basic criteria for notability of living people WP:BASIC, but it also meets WP:CREATIVE and WP:ENT. To summarize, the article just needs some copy editing for English language and it may need to be shortened. For sure not WP:TNT. It was already listed in the Guild of Copy Editors and its turn was very near. Please suggest how we can go further. I would appreciate if you could do something for it. Thank you -- ★ Pikks ★  MsG  13:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Both would have been very good arguments to include in the deletion discussion, where they could have been seen by everyone. Note that most of the time admins closing a discussion will only read the discussion, and thus arguments not written in the discussion (or changes not noted there) will not be taken into consideration. A simple mention like "Article edited" is not nearly non-ambiguous enough to make a decision based on. You have convinced me to undelete and nominate again at AFD; please ensure that your arguments are included there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You may participate at the new AFD here. I note that the issues of self-published sources and the article being written in an in-universe perspective (blurring fact and fiction) are still present. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will

FLC
Hi, Pakistan national cricket team record by opponent is at FLC. Please have a look. Regards, Zia Khan 21:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Your concerns have been resolved there! Zia Khan 18:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Patrick Michael Castielle
Hi, I had a few concerns about this AFD discussion, and I think I would have preferred to see them addressed in more detail before a decision was made regarding the page's deletion. Before I take it to deletion review, I'd like to know whether you considered my concerns and looked into them before making the decision to close it as delete. Mabalu (talk) 13:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Mabalu. Re: your deletion/redirect/merge argument, I read that and considered that a redirect could be created after the discussion. If you want to have content to merge I can provide it to you, no issues there. Re: your concerns about possible socking, I read that and noticed it. The reason I closed as delete afterwards was because I saw the !vote from BabbaQ, whom I've seen active in other areas of the project (and is fairly active) and thus I assumed is an unrelated account. I do not have check-user, and would not have used it in this instance, so I would have been unable to confirm your suspicions nor prove them false. The possibility of socking is concerning, but I believe the consensus was acceptably clear. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate having some content to merge, if possible. I do feel the nomination was bizarrely random (with no connection whatsoever to any of the nominator's other activity or edits that I could see) regardless of whether or not it deserved nomination. To be honest, I think it DID deserve discussion and probably deletion, although I would have liked to see a bit more discussion beforehand. My feeling is that it should have been made into a redirect in order to preserve the history of the page (which had been around quite a while) as I didn't think it was QUITE that offensively promotional. But yeah, I'm not really that bothered about the article, I just kinda feel the AFD was just slightly under-discussed. So do let me have the material to merge and I'll pop some into his missus's article. Thanks. Mabalu (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I mean, if you want to I would be open to re-evaluate the articles notability if the article was improved some. Talkback me if the article is recreated. Thanks--BabbaQ (talk) 17:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, article is now at User:Mabalu/Patrick Michael Castielle if you want to polish it some more or use it for merger. BabbaQ, if you watchlist the redlink you'll learn if the article is recreated (in case Mabalu forgets). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

General question
Crisco, I have a general question - how to lookup text of the old article that was deleted from Wiki? I am an experienced editor, but I do not know that trick. I noticed that you were able to restore Valeria Lukyanova old deleted article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crisco_1492/Valeria_Lukyanova How did you find that old text? Just Curious. Btw, thanks for restoring Valeria Lukyanova page, I tried to do it myself before, but User:Hammersoft was keep doing speedy deletions :( Innab (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may, I can answer for Crisco; he can do that because he is an administrator and see deleted versions of the article. As to my speedy deletions, since I am not an administrator I made no speedy deletions; i can't make any as I don't have the rights to do so. I can tag an article for speedy deletion, which carries every bit as much weight as the next editor's opinion. I'm sorry you disagree, but our disagreeing doesn't make me right or wrong or you wrong or right. It just is. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much per Hammer. Only admins can see and recreate deleted content, unless it has been suppressed, in which case not even admins can see it. Also agree with the important note on wording: Hammer's tagged it, but the actual deletion must be done by an admin. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Niniek L. Karim
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Alfred Zappala
A user, seems to disagree with your closure of this discussion to the extent that he has sought to edit the closed discussion several times now, to the extent that he is on his level 4 final warning for doing so. I perceive that he is acting in good faith but that his passion for the article is causing him to miss working within the rules. I was wondering if you might engage him in conversation about the deletion discussion and closure, please? Fiddle  Faddle  15:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Crisco, I apologize for my newbie behavior. I believe you deleted the aforementioned page too quickly. Given the current state of the supporting cites offered, however, I understand your decision. However, I have additional cites that provide much more authority and credence to the claims of Alfred's regional importance as a law professor and humanitarian within the Sicilan-American community. I welcome the opportunity to provide this new information.Johnjgillis (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi John. The issue with the article is that the references are all self-published or by the subject, which we cannot use to determine notability. Articles require reliable, independent sources which give in-depth coverage of the subject to show that they are notable enough for inclusion, and (as a rule) the subject's own website and Facebook are not up to snuff. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand and concur. I will be providing new secondary sources that should address any notability concerns. Tell me, is it better to try to revive the deleted page, or create a new one with the improved sources? For the former, where do I post the updates?Johnjgillis (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Poeke Castle
Hi Crisco, Thank you for your message about my picture File:Poeke Kasteel R03.jpg. I am honored by the selection of it as Picture of the Day on the English Wikipedia. Kind regards, Marc Ryckaert (MJJR (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)).

DYK for Moestika dari Djemar
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Abbotsbury POTD
The village is known for its swannery, subtropical gardens and historic buildings. That's what sources reinforce. I fail to see how that "sounds like a tourist ad". How is it justifiable to summarise the village without mentioning those features? I don't live there you know - I haven't even been there for 19 years - so I'm not trying to flog the place. But have it your way. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The MP audience is considerably finicky. Did you ever read about Gibraltarpedia? A lot of those DYK hooks were even less like advertisements, but that never stopped the arguments over them. Having information about locations that may be visited by tourists on the main may cause similar arguments, though the content is fine in the article proper. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems daft to me, rather like having an image of Heidelberg and describing it just as "a city in south-west Germany" and not mentioning the castle or university. There's something ironic in seeking out the most striking, beautiful images for POTD, but then using accompanying text which deliberately downplays the location, just in case some of our readers are inspired to further their education by going and visiting the place. (This isn't a rant aimed at you personally - I appreciate you're just anticipating trouble. Rather it's a general rant.) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood. Generally I focus on the town itself (history, for instance) rather than things which may be considered tourist attractions. Admittedly history is its own draw, but that's generally not as controversial. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Palm oil production in Indonesia
Hi Crisco, I thought Palm oil production in Indonesia might interest you. If you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Will see. I want to try and get the Disraeli FAC review a bit further along too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Recent deletion of the D-Cubed page - request for a review of notability of the sources
Hi Crisco 1492,

I have a connection to a page that was deleted recently, the relevant discussion being here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/D-Cubed

Having read some of the guidelines, I have some queries about why some of the supplied sources were not acceptable. With your broad Wikipedia experience, would you mind helping me out with my questions?

One of the contributors, Stuartyeates regarded this source as acceptable, so perhaps that’s a starting point for notability:

http://computingengineering.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1399189

The author, Professor Hoffman, is a respected academic at a respected institution writing in a respected journal:

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/faculty/cmh/

http://computingengineering.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/journal.aspx

The next source is this one:

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=112573&dl=GUIDE

The author is connected with the subject, but as I understand the guidelines if the source is reliable and is quoted without original research, it is a valid source.

The article is seminal in this field. It has been cited 55 times. It has a fee associated with it, not uncommon for academic journals, yet it has been downloaded 654 times, including in recent weeks, indicative of current widespread credibility in the academic community of an article published in 1991. The journal is peer reviewed, and highly reputable. To quote Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Computing_Machinery

“The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) is a U.S.-based international learned society for computing. It was founded in 1947 and is the world's largest and most prestigious[1] scientific and educational computing society.”

The final of the more substantive sources is this one:

http://www.ams.org/journals/tran/2007-359-05/S0002-9947-06-04049-9/S0002-9947-06-04049-9.pdf

One of the authors is the same as in the previous article, hence he is connected with the subject. However, the second author, Professor Power, is a respected academic at a respected institution that has no direct connection to the subject yet has contributed a large amount of time to a highly significant deeply academic paper related to the subject. Does this second author give this source some of the characteristics of a secondary source, which in itself is arguably very notable?

http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fas/maths/people/stephen-power

The journal, the Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, is peer reviewed and highly reputable. It is given an A* ranking by the Australian Mathematical Society:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematics_journals

It’s sister journal, the Journal of the American Mathematical Society, is reported to have the eighth highest impact ranking of mathematical journals on the above page.

Together with the numerous less significant D-Cubed sources, I feel the subject is more notable than many other comparable pages on Wikipedia. If after reviewing the above you thought there was potential merit, I would be delighted to draft a new version of the D-Cubed page making careful use of the above and other sources for your review.

Best regards, MingleLane — Preceding unsigned comment added by MingleLane (talk • contribs) 16:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Mingle, I trust you've read WP:GNG (and WP:NSOFT, though it is not policy)? None of the sources you list here seem to discuss the software in detail, but either the coder/creator or organisation backing it. Per WP:GNG, this cannot be considered enough evidence of notability. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Crisco 1492,

Firstly, I apologise if I have messed anything up on your talk page. I tried to add some formatting to my original version of the message below and got into a bit of a tangle (my posts to your page are my first on Wikipedia). I cannot yet work out how to use the indented bullets that are the convention for responses on your page.

Thanks for your feedback. I had read WP:GNG, and now I have read WP:NSOFT.

The following source is only concerned with the D-Cubed software:

http://computingengineering.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1399189

May I ask, in what way is it lacking in detail?

This source:

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=112573&dl=GUIDE

... is solely concerned with key aspects of the algorithms of the D-Cubed software. I realise that it is not accessible without payment (I could perhaps email a copy to you if you would like), but I understand that this is not a bar to being an acceptable source. I realise that it is largely primary, but it is in a respected peer reviewed publication, and has been validated by numerous citations and downloads. I would only use consistently with Wikipedia policy on primary sources.

This source:

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=112573&dl=GUIDE

... is solely concerned with a proof (an extraordinary piece of mathematical work as is evident from the prestigious journal) of key aspects of key algorithms of the D-Cubed software, as indicated by numerous cross references to the previous source.

If feel the following source may also be notable when taken in conjunction with the other sources:

By way of background, the D-Cubed software is part of the history of computer science in the field of geometry and user interfaces, stemming from the amazing work of Ivan Sutherland below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad

It is used in most computer-aided design (CAD) systems, hence has a role in the design of many modern manufactured items (cars, planes, consumer goods...).

I believe the notable place of the D-Cubed software in the history of computer science and modern CAD systems can be established via the above sources when supplemented with the numerous less substantial sources that are available.

Thanks again for your consideration.

Best regards, MingleLane

MingleLane (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Crisco 1492,
 * Just wondering if you had seen my comments above and had some feedback.
 * Best regards,
 * MingleLane

MingleLane (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi MingleLane. That article was deleted by a consensus at Articles for deletion/D-Cubed. The first step in the Deletion review process is to contact the deleting administrator. You have done this a number of times, and you already know what the outcome of that has been. Please don't continue to send Crisco 1492 any more messages about it. You are only wasting your time doing this. Please follow the next steps in the deletion review process. I would be happy to help you out with them. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 15:47, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Peter, Crisco 1492, thanks for your help.

Peter, I have asked for your assistance with the deletion review process on your talk page.

Best regards, MingleLane

MingleLane (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Another general question
Crisco, thank you for answer to my question above. I have another general question, may be you can help me to answer it: If I think that an admin interpreted Wiki rule wrong, it there any way I can take his interpretation of the rule for discussion with other admins on some discussion board? I.e. is there any discussion board where I can ask admins for an interpretation of the Wiki rule?

In this one case, I have an admin that says that WP:GNG is not enough to keen an article, and WP:BIO is always required for a person. I think he is wrong and want to discuss it with other admins. Innab (talk) 16:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If the article has been deleted through AFD, you can go to WP:DRV and open it up for further discussion. Or you can try talking to the admin in question and arguing your point (I note, however, that the GNG provides only the presumption of notability, and does not guarantee it). Other processes have their own pages too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This helps. :) Innab (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

YL Ventures
Hey Crisco 1492, I have seen that you closed the discussion Articles for deletion/YL Ventures and I would like to add more info that might change the outcome of that discussion, which was deletion of the article. The global notability of YL Ventures is arguable, although in my humble opinion appearances in such publications as TechCrunch, The Next Web and VentureBeat might indicate that. After all, these are the leading news resources for the global high-tech and venture capital industry. However, I believe that there is no doubt that YL Ventures is a very notable VC firm in the Israeli high-tech industry (also known as Silicon Wadi). There are significant mentions of the fund's activity and interviews with the fund's partners in TheMarker, Globes and Calcalist, which are Israel's biggest financial news resources. In addition, there is a lengthy interview in Geektime.co.il, a leading Israeli high-tech news website. I can add these references if that helps. All of this material is in Hebrew, but it clearly shows that YL Ventures, a US-based fund, has a strong status in the Israeli high-tech industry. ThomasEq (talk) 10:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Links? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there anything you can do about this?
Template:Did you know nominations/Footpaths of Gibraltar is still being held up, nearly 2 months after I submitted it. It's gone through 3 reviews, it's been approved for DYK, and it's survived an AfD and a merge discussion by a large majority. At the moment a single editor is still refusing to accept that consensus is against him. How much longer is it going to be held up? Can you do anything to resolve this? If we can just get it in a queue and out of the way, that will bring this idiotic saga to an end. Prioryman (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Have reinserted the tick. Bloody ABF filibustering... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, hopefully we can finally get this out of the way. Prioryman (talk) 07:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Fingers crossed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for D-Cubed
An editor has asked for a deletion review of D-Cubed. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Eep is right. Have a safe moving day! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK promotion
While I hope that a prep set will be promoted shortly, the fact remains that all four preps are full, and all six queues are empty. If the queues are still empty the next time you're editing, please think about doing a prep to queue move. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Did two. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Crisco. It's good to have a bit of a cushion. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:46, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Back down to zero. If you haven't stopped for the day, do you think you can promote one of the two preps? I'll try to populate a prep or two later in the day, when I'm less busy. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you got me just before going to be. On my way. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hamzah
Rather surprised that you took this to FAC so suddenly. I was going to see if I could try to improve it further. I've long thought it FA material of course but I had a feeling that something might have been overlooked and it might be possible to find some further material. The problem of course is that finding scraps in google books is only likely to amount to sporadic bits of info anyway so maybe it's fine. Sorry that I only managed to provide some minor additions, I had rather hoped to be more of a co-contributor on it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:51, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to help with responding to comments, that's always possible. I did post on your talk page, but I guess you missed it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:22, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help you out, although by the looks of it, like Disraeli, I don't think it'll be too long before it's promoted!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. It's possible. Still need a source review and image review, and last time the SR took like a week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Carlos Lopes (Guinea Bissau)
Hi! You reverted and revdeleted a huge copyvio here a while ago, for which thank you! He stuck it all back, so I've reverted again. I'd appreciate if you could check that what I did is OK, and perhaps revdelete again? Between us we forgot to leave anything on his talkpage last time around, so he may not be fully aware that re-adding it was a bad idea. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree and done. Do you want to leave the notice or should I? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for dealing with that so promptly. I left the notice, and will also add some COI tags as I think there is little doubt about that aspect also. If you have absolutely nothing better to do, could you perhaps look at some of the members of Category:Requested_RD1_redactions, and maybe comment on whether those requests are correctly made? Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to do some. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Puck of Pook's Hill
Hey, Chris. Is there any chance you could review the set I've linked above, and tell me if you see any problems before I nominate it? It's been a big project, and I could use someone with a bit more distance. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Overall they look quite solid. I saw some dust one one (#19), but it was just a very small speck. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up #19, did some final tweaks, and nominated. Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

FAC
Four supports on day one! I'm seriously impressed  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my. Yes, that is quite impressive. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And I thought three supports within 24 hours was good going. Bah, hmph, you win... BencherliteTalk 22:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This isn't as crazy as Hiram Wesley Evans. Promoted in give or take 3 days. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Triple Crown

 * Especially since Kublai Khan never managed to take Java. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Two hardcore Triple Crowns so close! Must be a new record :] — ΛΧΣ  21  00:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you!00:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I said it before: you should be on payroll. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Sept 26 and Sept 27's DYK requests
Could you please check Sept 26 and Sept 27's DYK requestss Template_talk:Did_you_know? Either we have already missed or have only 1 slot in hand Tito ☸ Dutta 00:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Tito ☸ Dutta 01:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Crisco, it looks like we badly collided over these, including you editing P1, which I had in use. Can we discuss the best way forward? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Proposal (risking collision here): that "Arise, Awake" be made the lead hook in P2 (moving from P1, where I placed it and would run from 3:45am to noon local time) so it runs noon to 8:15pm local time; in P4, it runs a day late on the 28th. Sounds good? I'll find another hook for P1. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Goodness, this is embarrassing: in the Josephine MacLeod hook, could you please add a comma after "Swami Vivekananda"? It's clearly missing one. (The embarrassing part is that I missed it when restoring approval to the hook.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell me the GMT and IST of P2. If p2=Queue 6, then timing is 27 September 11:15. I am facing difficulties to understand this new time table, that's why I asked Allen two days ago User_talk:Allen3 to promote as an uninvolved editor. He has not come online. Tito ☸ Dutta 01:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito, I gave the times correctly: P2 will be promoted to Q6, but the queues are running every 8 hours and 15 minutes to get back to running one queue a day at midnight GMT. (Right now, we're an hour and 15 minutes off.) So Q6 will be promoted at 12:00 on 27 September, assuming that nothing goes wrong with the bot and preps are promoted on time. Crisco, since it's been half an hour since I first posted here, and it's not a good idea to have "Arise, Awake" in two separate prep areas, I'm going to clean up as I proposed above. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Q6 is fine if it is 27 Sept (GMT and IST). Tito ☸ Dutta 01:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito, as long as we have you here, what are you planning on doing with the rest of the hooks. There are three more in the "Late September (Swami Vivekananda 150th anniversary)" section, but they aren't scheduled for any particular date. At this point, they either need to be scheduled to a specific date (there are only three days left), or moved back into the main section. Any other hooks should probably be left in the main section for normal promotion once they are approved. Sound good? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No planning, I was thinking to wait for 27 Sept and then change the header to "Any day after 6 Oct". But, the 3 hooks which were kept reserved for the DYK month, I don't want to run those in September and that's why requested a 10 days gap (27 Sept+10 days= 6 Oct). Tito ☸ Dutta 02:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito, it's a bit odd to have what amounts to an anti-special occasion: hold until enough time has lapsed. I'll let Crisco weigh in on this, but my opinion is that it's not a proper use of the special occasion hold if there isn't a special day or event in a six week period to hold them for. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, then, do as you wish Tito ☸ Dutta 03:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

An editor added a Fanpov template in Joesphine MacLeod. I have reverted their edit. Most probably they will revert my edit or post at talk. If you think the hook needs to be removed from queue, please replace it with immediate next best hook. We have multiple hooks ready at this moment. Tito ☸ Dutta 04:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Important
 * Nikkimaria is a respected DYK admin, so if she ends up removing the article from Q4, there won't be any choice in the matter. (Also, if the argument is that the article is not neutral, then it wouldn't qualify for DYK until edited accordingly, as neutrality is one of the requirements.) We'll need another admin, hopefully Crisco here, to do a direct promotion into Q4 of one of the three articles still in the special holding area. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You're still not an admin? Drmies (talk) 04:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, pinging too. Yes, promote the next best hook from the reserved DYKs. Thankfully we have few. Yes, BlueMoonset, be an admin, We often debate and fight, but, no doubt you'll be a great admin. I'll post a detailed RFA proposal at your talk page when I'll get some time. Tito ☸ Dutta 04:39, 26 September 2013 (UTC) added missing word "proposal" Tito ☸ Dutta 04:53, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * No desire for the mop. But thanks for the confidence that I'd wield it well. The queues remain beyond my reach. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, back from work. Let me summarise: Queue 4 has MacLeod, still, and has been neutralised a bit more. Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached is in prep 2, scheduled for Q6. I edit conflicted Blue accidentally (didn't see the notice,  BTW) and prep 1 has an empty hole in it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 4 hours to go. NikkiMaria is offline. Can you check the article now? Tito ☸ Dutta 08:36, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, when I haven't gotten out of the lede and I find "her life's mission" I still question neutrality. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed that too Tito ☸ Dutta 08:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Only few hours in hand. Anyone? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 10:26, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like I got home too late. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you find any other issue? If not, the template may be removed now and discussion may be continued at the talk page. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 12:42, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have been waiting for last 10 hours to fix this issue and need to go out at this moment. I am removing the template. If a) you see more issues, i) ignore if it is a minor one or post at talk, I'll fix ASAP, b) if the issue is critical and the hook needs to be pulled down, please replace it with the immediate next best hook Tito ☸ Dutta 12:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm quaking from the Relationship to Swami Vivekananda section. That seems like a bit too much detail. You'll need to trim that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Gonesse memorial
Thank you for the message!

I found a French source that may be about the memorial specifically.

WhisperToMe (talk) 06:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. Even a full paragraph or two about the memorial (or a whole section if there are enough references) would be enough for me to change my mind; that would be enough context IMHO. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:16, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please check the page. I think I found enough info this time. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mega Mendoeng
The DYK project (nominate) 23:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you'd know?
Crisco, Sasata came to my talk page (User talk:BlueMoonset) and asked about the hook, which has no specific sourcing for the plot elements of the hook. It just barely skirts the requirement that the hook have a real-world connection by giving the name of the director, being about a work of fiction, so I'm a bit dubious about it anyway, but it's also not a great hook, effectively saying "did you know that the plot of X is Y"? Anyway, I realized that I didn't know whether plot elements were free from sourcing requirements even if they are used in the hook—such facts have extraordinary inline sourcing requirements—so I thought I'd ask you, with your greater experience here at DYK. If you could post your understanding on the nomination template, I'm sure we'd both appreciate it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:34, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Weighing in at article review page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Crisco. Good to know. I was surprised regarding the Pokeritis hook, but it's good to know that my standards are stricter than they ought regarding fictional hooks, and I need to loosen up. It seems too easy, somehow, to tack on the year of publication or the name of a film's director. Ah well. A good reminder to get on my 30-month anniversary here. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow, 30 months eh? The time sure flies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/The Great Plane Robbery
Crisco, could you please take a look at this and give it a tick if you think it appropriate? Even though my ALT1 is basically a cut-down version of the original hook, I'd like to have someone independent make the decision to approve or not. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Texpatriate
You came to the conclusion that Texpatriate had reached a delete consensus. However, it is my understand that when a deletion review is relisted, one should disregard the comments made beforehand. There were ZERO comments since the second relist. Accordingly, I believe that a no-consensus is the only appropriate conclusion. Houstonbuildings (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "it is my understand that when a deletion review is relisted, one should disregard the comments made beforehand." Your understanding is wrong; a relisting is to gather more discussion, but it does not invalidate previous discussion. Where did you get such an idea? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hibriten High School Band
Hi, I had previously merged some content from Hibriten High School Band to Hibriten High School so closing this AFD as delete presents GFDL issues. A couple of solutions present themselves. One would be to re-close as a redirect, protecting it if thought appropriate. The other method would be to restore the content and move it to Talk:Hibriten High School/Hibriten High School Band and add a link to it from Talk:Hibriten High School. Best, The Whispering Wind (talk) 00:41, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A close as redirect doesn't present itself to us as the consensus didn't point to a redirect. However, you are correct about the history being required for copyright, and I had intended to make a redirect outside of the venue of AFD, but RL got in the way and it slipped my mind. Will fix. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Also a good solution; thank you for your prompt attention. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

SG for "Der Busant"
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK needs a queue within three hours
Crisco, the queues are empty. I've just loaded another prep (this makes six in a row), so there are two available to be promoted. We need one in three hours, and a second in eleven. With luck, some other folks will show up during the weekend to load preps, though I'll keep an eye on things in case they don't. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I queued two. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. I was very relieved to see that Miyagawa did a couple of preps; it takes off the pressure. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Am trying to do one, but these old noms are essentially abandoned. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:41, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for assembling the prep set. It used to be that the "old nominations" lists in WT:DYK would actually get worked on, but people don't seem to bother any more. Some of them are easy, too: Template:Did you know nominations/Information technology in Bangladesh just needs a hook check (which I can't do because I proposed it, and Orlady has done some work on the article which lets her out). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think people just don't want to read piles and piles of discussion. Mind you, there are some completely untouched noms from August... probably fairly easy reviews too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And, of course, no sooner do I type the above but DoctorKubla takes on two of the oldest reviews, and approves the oldest one from July 5! There are probably twenty from August that are untouched or just had some hook jiggering. Even Template:Did you know nominations/Telepharmacy from July just needs someone to see whether the "US-centric" issue has been dealt with: Orlady dove in, but it means she can't review it now, and I've always been bad about judging such centricity. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Squeaky wheels and whatnot... will check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. The outcome may not be what we were hoping for, as you saw. Depending on what Bryan decides, I may ask Orlady if she wants to take it on. And as long as I have you here...we have three preps waiting. The second is yours, so I imagine you want someone else to promote it, but the first certainly could be promoted, and it would be nice to have one queue filled, at least. And while I'm pushing my luck, I'll squeak my wheel again about Information Technology in Bangladesh again... I appreciate your patience! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You've got that queue. We'll see about the nom. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:45, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Good to see a queue set up. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Review
Hey, I would really appreciate if you could review my FLC? — SoapFan12 (talk,  contribs ) 20:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that you are online, a response would be very appreciated now. Thanks! — SoapFan12 (talk,   contribs ) 22:51, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you read WP:CANVASS? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you explain, how I am canvassing? If I am, I apologize and I did not mean to. I saw that you were online and I was offended that you did not respond to my message. If that was cavassing to ask you to replied, I apologize. I am very sorry, Again, sorry. 23:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC) — SoapFan12 (talk,  contribs )
 * I had been online for all of fifteen minutes, if that. I was going to reply, but my number one pet peeve on Wikipedia is badgering, so I will not touch that FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there anything I could do to change you're mind? I would do anything, just say it. I apologize and I did not mean to badger. Please, I am desperat. I am sorry, again sorry. Please forgive me. I would do any thing for you to touch that FLC. Btw, I don't even know what badger or canvassing means, I am bascally infering the meaning. Please, just give me one more chance. — SoapFan12 (talk,   contribs ) 23:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For this nomination, nothing will change my mind. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. I respect you're descision and I apologize this had to happen. However, would you mind doing a pre-FLC review for 40th Daytime Emmy Awards or 39th Daytime Emmy Awards? This would mean the world to me. Regards, — SoapFan12 (talk,   contribs ) 02:27, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps as they approach nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by ″Perhaps as they approach nomination″? — SoapFan12 (talk,   contribs ) 11:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * When this current FLC nomination is finished. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am in tears right now, I am pass being desperate. I am begging you to please review my FLC. :( However, I respect you're descison and thank you for willing to s pre-FLC review for me in the future.  — SoapFan12 (talk,   contribs ) 11:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Pin tumbler with key.svg
Maybe File:Pin tumbler with key.svg could still go to the Main Page as the Picture of the day, despite the PNG version appearing there twice, as part of a set with File:Pin tumbler no key.svg, File:Pin tumbler bad key.svg and File:Pin tumbler unlocked.svg. What do you think? Armbrust The Homunculus 03:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a brilliant idea! Let me get something ready. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:00, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Like this, Armbrust? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. Looks good to me. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:30, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. Scheduled here. Will deal with the redlink as the 23rd comes closer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool. Armbrust The Homunculus 05:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Buah Rindu
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that
I saw you closed my DYK nom, because I forgot to come back and withdraw it ("Murder Kroger"). Sorry about that. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. ) while signing a reply, thx 10:56, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Durango High School
Hi Crisco, I noticed you seem to be around at the moment (although no doubt very busy!). I've been playing at DYK reviews and don't know if the 'ping' will work; would you mind having a quick look at Durango High School, please? I feel it may need more refs but maybe I'm being picky? I think you have the patience of a saint! OK, my grovelling is now done! SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  11:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Keri Rosebraugh
I'm in the absolute wrong mood to rule on whether a day plus 20 minute delay in nominating this should be allowed or not. The article's author appears to be a single-day editor who hasn't returned in over a month, and I can't decide whether Penwatchdog's nomination—as the author's mentor, and as the person who did do article cleanup a couple of weeks later—should be given an exception. One way or another, I think the decision should be made soon, for Penwatchdog's sake if for nothing else. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:32, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For 3k, not all that tempted. Particularly as there may be some other cleanup necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ouw Peh Tjoa
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Pencabutan Status AP
Anda dimohon oleh saya untuk memberikan suara pada id:Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan pencabutan secepatnya karena itu akan menentukan kualitsa AP di WBI. Selain itu juga anda dimohon oleh saya untuk memberikan suara pada pengusulan artikel Soedjatmoko untuk kedua kalinya. Usulan pertama Soedjatmoko ditolak, namun untuk usulan kedua, nampaknya sudah ada tanda-tanda artikel itu menjadi AP. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Little Nemo FAC
Hey, Crisco, I was wondering if you had the time to take a look at my responses to your feedback at the Little Nemo (1911 film) FAC. Thanks, Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK queuing
Crisco, if you're around sometime in the next six hours, there are three preps ready, but no queues. If you could change the ratio, assuming no one beats you to it, that'd be great. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC) [Typo fixed: 02:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)]
 * Doing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Any chance of another one? Under two and a half hours before the next promotions, and it's two to zero in favor of the preps. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Darn, missed this last night (only checked Wikipedia really briefly after [too much] time playing Spore). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's okay; Allen3 has returned, and got that one. We're still skirting the narrow edge (one queue and one prep just now); I'm going to try to do at least one prep in the next couple of hours. Besides, you need some time to play... BlueMoonset (talk) 02:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about AFC entries
Hi. I'm having a problem with the two Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival articles at AFC. I added more sources to the articles a few weeks ago but another editor just rejected both articles and was kind of rude about it. 72.74.216.193 (talk) 02:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have replied. I note, however, that I would still not be comfortable with the article going live just yet. Coverage from a newspaper outside of Rhode Island would go a long way to making other editors see the notability of the topic. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:33, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. The selections page has six articles from The Providence Journal. I'll try to find some more for the award winners page. 72.74.216.193 (talk) 02:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, although the AFC closes were not proper, I wouldn't say they were "rude". Overly vague, perhaps, and certainly not based on policy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I was talking about the comment he made in the history ("An IP knows better than a Editor... NO"). 72.74.216.193 (talk) 02:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. You may want to weigh in at WP:ANI if you want to bring this up. I will mention that you felt it was rude there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The editor keeps rejecting the article (claiming I'm being "willfully disruptive" ) even though I've been adding sources. I guess I can leave a message at ANI. Does it matter if I don't have a Wikipedia account? 72.74.216.193 (talk) 05:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You could get some hate, yes. There's an (unreasonable) anti-IP atmosphere at ANI, sadly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean to start any trouble. I saw most film festival articles (e.g. Sundance Film Festival) were using similar lists and thought it'd make sense to have some for the Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival. Should I just forget about AFC and include both lists into the main article? 72.74.216.193 (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want the DYK to get going a bit faster, a shortened version in the main article would be okay. These kinds of lists (at least the winners) generally are acceptable. I've done four or five featured lists on recipients of the Citra Awards (Indonesian Film Festival). Not sure if there is a precedent for films submitted / films shown. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I used List of Sundance Film Festival selections to write the Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival version. I looked at the Cannes Film Festival awards and a few others but the Sundance lists seemed a lot less complicated. What would be the best way to add a shortened list? Should I add just the 2012 selections/winners or just the ones with articles? 72.74.216.193 (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The most recent winners would be a good start, I think. You're right, tables are an absolute nightmare, so I just find a format that works on Wikipedia and use that mark-up when I make a new list (however, tables are absolutely not required, and the Sundance list is perfectly valid as is). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Telepharmacy
Orlady has done more work on this, hoping to address the issues you raised. Is it ready now, do you think? Thanks for taking a look, Crisco. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have replied there, and watchlisted (had forgotten to do so). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

CPJ Awards
They're up. Will try to update this and start creating articles where needed in the next week or two. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:48, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Will try to look tonight. Hope Webcite is working. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Sega-Genesis-Mod1-Bare.jpg
Per your comment at TFAR, how would I go about changing this into a PNG with a transparent background? Or who would I ask? BencherliteTalk 17:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Doing... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You, sir, are a gentleman, a scholar and an acrobat (in the words of the theme tune to The Pink Panther Show). Thank you. BencherliteTalk 23:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Always glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Your FAC
I saw it. I will get to it when I have time. I am snowed right now and also am traveling and my time is limited.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I completely understand. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It was promoted before I got to it so I'll get the next one.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Congrats on yours, too! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I just converted the dates to word format that's all. Not busy editing at all, just finished watching a film actually. Don't let me get in your way of continuing!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I had seen the "do not edit to avoid ECs" banner, so I put it off. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Gatoclass
Hello dear Crisco. I'm sorry to bother you, but this is getting ridiculous. Since mid-July Gatoclass had been "promising" to review the Template:Did you know nominations/Chechen-Russian conflict and he still hasn't. Instead, he started reviewing new DYKs. If he is so busy (as he claims) to review this one article why did he start reviewing new ones? If he doesn't want to review that article he should just let other review it instead. -- Ե րևանցի talk  22:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Am watchlisting. If nothing happens in the next few days I'll ping for another reviewer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. -- Ե րևանցի talk  22:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I read through all the article references last night and now have a good idea of what I want to add to the article, so I just have to find an evening to add it - hopefully over the weekend. Apologies once again for the long delay, but I've made this nom a priority now. Gatoclass (talk) 05:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm very worried this will spill onto the Clarence Ussher nomination. Proudbolsahye (talk) 05:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Akibat
Hi, can you find anything on this? If not I'll delete. I had rather hoped to find some book sources on it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Nawi Ismail probably has more to go on.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This and this are a very bare start. The title is so damn general (imagine just googling "Consequences" that the internet isn't such a hot source). Will check it out in a bit more depth later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly notable. Sorry, have not had time to look any further. Wife (perhaps soon to include an "ex" there) issues — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Indonesia
What do you think of this? The editor looks like they could be another righteous cause/mission editor. Pokoknya, it's POV-laden comment, but removing it will probably start an edit war. --Merbabu (talk) 01:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. A link to the movement is worthy. A whole paragraph... no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Der Busant
I wish these cats were done yet; if only I could get a PDF of their bibliography. I spent the last hour on ILL ordering stuff. I've gone through all the footnotes in Linden's footnotes but I don't expect too much coming out of it. I'll need to go through the bibliographies of all our articles again. Fun! But, and that's the good news, this bibliography will be finite. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Doesn't seem to be such a major work that it would draw mounds and mounds of commentary (the Germans translated from us, after all!). I wish I could help you go through the bibliography, but ILL in Indonesia is just a no-no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Question re. Fascist headquarters image
You've obviously seen this pic before. I was looking for a way to incorporate it into an article I'm developing w.r.t. Mussolini's regime in Italy, but I notice that neither Wikipedia nor Commons have any available copies. A quick Google search reveals that it formerly existed as (or so it seems); since it's likely been deleted, I can only assume that its copyright status is dubious. You're active in image licensing issues, so I figured you might be aware of this and could offer some assistance. When, if ever, did the discussion regarding that image's copyright status take place, and where can I find it? Kurtis (talk) 03:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found it. Kurtis (talk) 03:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Better yet, I believe I've found a free equivalent in use on the Italian Wikipedia. I actually don't think any such images of the Fascist headquarters are copyrighted at this point; you can't just stick a copyright tag on something and say "that's mine", you have to be its creator, or the original publisher. Kurtis (talk) 04:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I look into it, I'm not so sure. I'm having a hard time finding the author, and from what I've read, if the person who took this picture hasn't been dead for 70 years, it's still copyrighted. Kurtis (talk) 04:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the Lex Luthor-esque headquarters. I think, per Template:PD-Italy, if you can show original publication in Italy from 1975 or before (20 years before the URAA) this would certainly be PD. If the original publication was elsewhere it's a bit dicier. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:13, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe it was originally published in Italy. In either case, I feel very confident that this work is in the public domain. Kurtis (talk) 12:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As am I, but the issue is we have to show it. Hence why finding an initial publication is important. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, so the real question in my mind is, does this image constitute a "simple photograph"? It was featured prominently on the streets of Rome back in 1934, so many passers-by with knowledge of how to work a camera could have been compelled to take a picture. Kurtis (talk) 01:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything artsy about it. Seems to be ambient lighting, very little (if any) post-processing, and the people at the bottom suggests that the photographer didn't have the power to say, clear the street, and did not care if any passers-by were below. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

A.A. Hamidhan
Kak, ini sy ada ketemu ref buat A.A. Hamidhan. Kira2, apa terjemahan yg baik, 'ya kak? Tlg diterjemahkan, kmudian Templat:Cite apakah yg hrus dipergunakan utk ini ref.? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 12:48, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Mohon maaf, kak sy banyak bertanya prihal sjarah Kalimantan, karna bgini, sjarah Kalimantan (terlebih provinsi sy, Kalbar) itu masih glap sjarahnya. Termasuk, pada thn 1954, sy baru tahu terjadi sakit yg menyerang ternak d Pontianak, pada awal 1910, telah terjadi banjir besar d Pontianak (semua data berasal dari Kranten). Skali lg, mohon maaf seumpama sy banyak tanya. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:13, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Images
Hey, Crisco, want to collaborate on an image? I've done all the cleanup, but it has really dodgy border and colouring, so I'd like to hand off to someone with Photoshop, if possible. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. Send it over. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Kipling
So, now that there's about to be 22 featured pictures of Kipling, when's Kipling month? ;) Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A special request, Adam? Will have to ask Howard or Bencherlite regarding a random sorting algorithm for that though. 22 images jammed into one big one isn't going to be very visible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW: I think December 30 would be a good date. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * How about December 9 through 30? ;) Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:48, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the images are quite nice, but I don't think 22 days of Kipling is going to work (hence the randomizing algorithm), — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically, it'd be 20 from one set, 2 from another =) But I'm joking, of course. If it matters, I could probably tell you my three or four favourites. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. I'd say for the big set go with his birthday (maybe five randomized images?). For the other one, side-by-side would also work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That works. That or his death date. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I just used subpages for each image and randomised their selection on the main template i.e. with the rest of the blurb as normal. It sounds as though you'd need 20 subpages for each image, using the main template only for whatever common code/text the POTDs would share. NB if you do this - subpages would only be protected automatically while actually displayed on the main page, which would make the other 19 vulnerable to attack. So what I think you'd have to do is to give each of the subpages full protection and protect all of the images too. I also got a friendly bot operator (Joe Decker) to purge the main page every 15 minutes using, after a suggestion at the Village Pump. BencherliteTalk 06:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Tjhit Liap Seng
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know that I found Lie Kim Hok quite an interesting read. After noticing that there were not a lot of interwikis available, I started a stub at zh:李金福 to get the ball rolling. I hope to see more interesting articles from you in the future. Keep up the good work! -- benlisquare T•C•E 10:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'm always happy when one of the articles I write is well received. I'm planning to have a go at Kwee Tek Hoay sometime by the end of this year (another quite prominent Chinese Malay author; his The Rose of Cikembang is the only Chinese Malay novel I know of that has been translated to English). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, I was wondering if you are still on board on doing a pre-FLc review for 39th Daytime Emmy Awards, something like Giants2008 did for me at Talk:40th Daytime Emmy Awards? — SoapFan12 (talk,  contribs ) 00:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thought I already said that I usually only review at FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dasima
Hello! Your submission of Dasima at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Soman (talk) 01:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The Bug Genie (2nd nomination) closed as no-consensus?
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bug Genie (2nd nomination) The delete arguments were all policy based while the keep arguments were not and used "sources" that do not meet WP:RS. I'm quite surprised at your conclusion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:46, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you tell me how, exactly, the Hungarian source and the Linux source do not meet WP:RS? You make blanket claims, but there is no argumentation for either in the debate which could have been considered. I agree that a couple of the so-called sources presented were dodgy, but those weren't considered. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Need a queue filled
Crisco, the DYKUpdateBot has just given the two-hour warning. Any chance you can promote the one available prep? Many thanks if so. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Doing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:31, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking care of it. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

April Fool's Day article idea
You know that I don't do DYK or April Fool's Day items anymore. I have a good idea for an article on Alfred Stanley Johnson, Jr. who was a trick photographer from my general area (Waupun, Wisconsin) circa 1900. He's already mentioned in the tall tale article. He photographed his family and pasted in images of humungous pieces of food! I heard about him yesterday during a television program on the Wisconsin Channel (a digital subchannel of the Public Broadcasting Service). Here's a solid source from the Wisconsin Historical Society: https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/feature/talltales/. There are MANY great postcard images to be used on the main page that he did which are pre-1923 (so in the public domain in the United States). Looks like a fun article to create! No need to reply, but do it here if inspired to do so.  Royal broil  03:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Vatican City map
Sorry for the late reply. I had read your comment on my German user page, but forgotten to answer. Additionally I hadn't noticed that you promoted my map as featured picture. I will read comments more carefully next time... ;-) As to answer your question: like user NNW said in the discussion, it is cartography standard (at least in Germany) that on maps without indication of direction north is the upper side. Perhaps this is handled differently in English speaking countries. If I have to update the map some day, I will consider adding some kind of compass. Thank you for promoting my map - it seems to have been quite successful. -- Thoroe (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it is standard in many English-speaking countries (I'm Canadian, and that is what I was lead to believe in high school), so I didn't mind either way. It is a fantastic map, and it most certainly deserves featured status on the English Wikipedia as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * When I was in Rome in May I probably walked about half of the Vatican walls (that is, on the Rome side). I enjoy all the buildings and monuments in Rome that proclaim that they were constructed by various Pontifexes Maximus of former times and it was somewhat startling to see the gate (I guess it must be St. Anna's gate, judging by the location) testifying to the construction of same by Benedictus XVI, Pontifex Maximus.  Though there is a new guy in town, didn't see anything by him yet (though I did go to see him celebrate Mass).  I guess there will be one or two by him in course of time.  After all, Rome wasn't built in a day.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:53, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good for you, visiting in the spring. This past summer I was in the Vatican, and I damn near collapsed from exhaustion! Kurtis (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. I think Indonesia's got me prepped up if I ever wanted to visit, but my wallet is screaming "no!". I have to say though, I hear the public accommodations are fairly nice in Rome... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you can handle Indonesia (also a pretty hot and humid place), chances are very good you'll have no trouble in Italy. I live in a more northerly area of Canada, so that's quite an adjustment for me. Rome is amazing. My favourite places in the country were the Colosseum, Assisi, Milan, and San Gimignano.
 * San Gimignano does look quite nice (and I'd never heard of it before, to be honest). The furthest north I've been is Ottawa, and in July it was nowhere near "cold" (well, my wife would beg to differ, but she's Indonesian). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Kristen Masuk ke Nusantara di abad ke-7 ?
Saya menemukan deskripsi tentang ini di berbagai artikel baik di WBI maupun wiki.en:
 * id:Agama di indonesia
 * id:Gereja di Indonesia
 * id:Penerjemahan Alkitab
 * id:Gereja Timur Asiria
 * id:Kekristenan di Indonesia
 * Christianity in Indonesia
 * List of church buildings in Indonesia

Sebetulnya deskripsi tentang hal itu telah ada yang membantahnya: http://susiyanto.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/258/

Silahkan jika kiranya mau merangkai bantahannya di artikel-artikel tersebut. --Erik Fastman (talk) 13:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Waduh, ini apa ya? Yang di Agama di Indonesia jelas-jelas coppas dari buku (saya tidak tahu kebenarannya). Yang di Christianity in Indonesia memiliki sumber yang cukup kuat, jadi mungkin memang benar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ya sih tau, tapi setidaknya ditambahkan juga bantahannya. Kan bantahannya juga bersumber dari buku (walaupun linknya dr wordpress). Lagipula argumen bahwa Borobudur peninggalan Nabi Sulaiman juga ada sumber bukunya. Tapi entah kenapa sampai sekarang argumen tersebut tidak pernah diletakkan di artikel Borobudur maupun id:Borobudur. --Erik Fastman (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Kalau soal Borobudur dan Nabi Sulaiman, itu termasuk "fringe theory".... tidak bakalan dimasukkan. Pembantahannya boleh dari buku, tapi kalau linknya Wordpress tidak bisa digunakan, karena itu juga pelanggaran hak cipta oleh pemilik akun Wordpress. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

AP bertema Indonesia
Bisa tidak anda mengembangkan artikel id:Nyanyi Sunyi dan id:Buah Rindu hingga menjadi AP di WBI, soalnya telah cukup rujukan, namun sayang, banyak pranala merah? Sebagai informasi, 2 artikel tersebut dikembangkan oleh id:Pengguna:Farras yang merupakan pengurus di WBI.

Bisakah anda juga membuat dan mengembangkan artikel id:Ulama Minangkabau dan id:Nama orang Minangkabau? Soalnya, artikel ini bukan merupakan terjemahan dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris, melainkan murni karya pengguna WBI, salah satunya adalah Naval Scene yang telah membuat dan mengembangkan artikel Ulama Minangkabau hingga menjadi AP... Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya merasa artikel mengenai kedua kumpulan puisi itu belum cukup lengkap untuk diajukan di AP (makanya di sini saya tidak mengajukan untuk AB). Soal pranala merah itu harus dinomorduakan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

One prep, no queues, one hour
Crisco, I have no idea whether you'll be around in time to see this, but I've filled a prep, and it needs to be promoted to a queue in the next hour or everything will be late. That's the crucial thing. After that, well, there won't be any filled preps, so that kind of needs to be done, too. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Was trying to get online but Wikipedia was screwy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah well, it happens. Nothing you can do in a situation like that. Looks like it was promoted about 80 minutes late, so it could have been much worse... BlueMoonset (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Tich
Hi Cris, I'm going to admit defeat on the seemingly easy task of stripping the sound from the Leno clip... my skills are obviously worse than I first thought! BTW, nice answers! I wish I'd waited a bit longer and nicked your ideas for mine! ;) Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I must say TRM's questions were a bit unexpected. Had to think a bit. Will upload ASAP. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Another DYK, and not on a coin
History of Chincoteague, Virginia. I would certainly mention Misty in the hook. Play Misty for me. :) Still working on the article and need to scan in some old postcards and the like.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oooh, interesting. Okay, will do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Available here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I put in an alt, I think hunting was only a small part of it compared to the fishing. Today, no one bothers the ducks, which roam the island.  Traffic usually stops to accommodate them.  I've been there three times, and when I was there in August for five days, I had this article planned.  I have images to upload and sources from the library, but I really should go back to do research at the county library in Accomac.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a very nice place to write a book. (Have fixed my proposed hook, hunting --> fishing). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Either is fine, thanks. I gather Ms. Henry found it so. How do you webarchive?  I am planning to download some postcards from ebay, as being simpler than scanning from books and uploading.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:22, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I tend to use Webcite, though I'm not sure what I'd do if it goes down. For postcards, uploading both sides onto Commons, then just the one, is also an alternative. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but you know how picky people are at FAC about those things (points at someone in the room).--Wehwalt (talk) 14:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Har har. Terry-Thomas got by alright with the backs of the photographs stored on Commons. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dasima
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Promotion
Crisco, no idea whether you'll have better luck with Wikipedia today, but the queues are empty and two preps are waiting. Several hours remain until the next main page load; I'm hoping someone (perhaps you!) will do the promotion to queue in plenty of time. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I see one promoted already. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Signpost
I dare you to put a gallery of all 20 Puck images into the next Featured content report. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Shame that's not me anymore! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Congrats on yet another FA with Amir Hamzah. You're a beast! -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LoL, thanks. I figured I might as well have something featured on a writer who's actually part of Indonesian canon. (I got two book sources for Atheis, so that might be my next novel...). Thanks for getting CPJ... I totally dropped the ball there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem at all! Good luck on Atheis, -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Monster (company)
Hi Crisco. I posted a draft History section that was shared on the Talk page here a week ago and haven't heard back from North. I was hoping you might have a minute to take a look. Cheers CorporateM (Talk) 15:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Corporate. I've taken a look. The history looks fairly neutral, and is almost ready to go live. However, current footnote 20 is an error (reference not defined?). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah, it calls upon a reference already used in the current article (#19). It'll fill-in properly in the article CorporateM (Talk) 13:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll move it into the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Candlestick Park Sponsorship should be expanded a bit (controversy in particular) once you have the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, let me do the Lead and re-write the products section. There is overlap now with the Trademarks controversy and the Candlestick controversy, because I had integrated them with History, since they both take place during distinct time-periods. CorporateM (Talk) 14:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Right. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

A couple questions:
 * Is it ok for us to remove the Trademarks and Candlestick sections? These are now integrated with History. Since they are controversial topics, I didn't want to do it myself.
 * I didn't know if you noticed that I expanded on the Candlestick controversy a little in the History section already. Does it need even more expansion or just more than what was originally there? CorporateM (Talk) 14:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd post the first question on the talk page. As I moved the content to main space, it's best to have a third opinion.
 * Second question: A little bit more, if there is coverage of it. Were there demonstrations, etc? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

FA congrats
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Amir Hamzah to FA status recently. If you would like to see (or any other FA you may have helped to write) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate  at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,327 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any questions TFA-related or problems, please let me know. I think you know where the TFAR page is by now, don't you? No harm in spreading the word, I hope... BencherliteTalk 17:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Too right: it's an excellent piece and it's always nice to see something that goes against the cultural dominance of Western articles on the main page - and I say that as a middle age, young(ish) middle class(ish) Englishman! - SchroCat (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bencher and Schro. Poor TFAR... has to be plugged. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats! I've been meaning to try to take a shot at my first FA, but I need a small, simple article to get started with. CorporateM (Talk) 14:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What about Monster? That seems doable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, of course you couldn't have got it to FA without my help ;-]♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitively! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Njai Dasima (1932 film)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Melati van Agam (1940 film)
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Der Busant
Ha, "shortest hook ever"? That's what she said. Note how I am piping to avoid a redirect, cutting down on server load; that's just the kind of girl I am. Man, wikilinking, or trying to wikilink, the MS fragments took forever (and what's funny is that Rosenfeld writes his article when the USSR still exists, and the Priebsch-Closs collection is still private), though not as long as leaving a crappy message on 's German Benutzer Diskussion page. Doing umlauts is a drag but I'll fix them when I get to a desktop, unless you beat me to it. I got one more source in from ILL and printed it out, but it was on that day when I teach until 9PM, and then Liam started throwing up all night, so god knows what happened to it. There's two more items in the pipeline. But when we get done with that Scheisse, we'll have (and I know you know the feeling from all the Indo articles you wrote) the best article in the fucking world on the topic. Ja, der fickende Welt, Mutterficker. Clearly, it's bedtime. Get me a Bintang wife beater, will ya? (De, that wikilink is for you--a lesson in stupid American culture.) Drmies (talk) 05:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Bintant, my good madame? I'll try to take a look at the umlauts, though (again) I don't speak German, so I won't be the best choice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. I hate the term (though was well aware of it). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I corrected, shithead. (And the term wasn't for you--Canadians are supposed to inhale US culture since y'all don't have one, eh? Also, DYK that was in Papua New Guinea last week--I grew up with "Irian Jaya".) Umlaut is usually indicated by an -e, and always following a vowel. I'd have to go and click on the character menu, then select it, and if it's supposed to be in a template, copy it from the main editing screen to the template screen, and etc. I'll get to it when I can if you can't--whether I'll be around this weekend at all depends on how many puking kids Mrs. Drmies is willing to put in the Hondissey and drive to Mississippi, to my mother in law. For some reason I hope the puking picks up, about 5 minutes from now. :) Take it easy Crisco, Drmies (talk) 05:19, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Still trying to find good things. I got the "oe"s, and I didn't see any "ae"s. Anyways, glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note Drmies, I was not in Papua New Guinea, I was in Papua, Indonesia. Different country, same island.  I will be heading back there in a week or so, had to get a new passport.  Got the new ten year 36 page ePassport, I will probably run out of pages before I run out of time. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And with me, same country, different island. West Papua or Papua (province)? I've wanted to go to both, but the cost is prohibitive, and I doubt I could get funding as my thesis is not related in any way, shape, nor form to Papua. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * K-stick, if you weren't such a Lego-loving family man you'd be totally rock and roll. We'll get a souvenir from you from some airport, no doubt, but somehow I don't think there's a novel coming. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * In Papua, flying into Timika specifically, then up the mountain via chopper weather permitting, bus if it is not permitting (as it didn't last time). Papua is a restricted area as well which requires a specific permit to enter, and the government of Canada has a regional warning to avoid all non-essential travel.  I am never one to listen to the government.  I got to spend a little time in Bali on my way over, and expect I will again, it's our access point from Hong Kong or Singapore.  Maybe I will get Drmies one of those hula girls for her dashboard, they scream class. --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hula girls, in Bali? You must know much more interesting souvenir shops than I've been able to find. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Snouck Hurgronje
Hai Crisco, saya lihat Anda gemar melengkapi tentang profil tokoh-tokoh yang berhubungan dengan Indonesia seperti Uskup Albertus Soegijapranata di Wikipedia. Apakah Anda juga berniat melengkapi profil Snouck Hurgronje juga ? Padahal di internet banyak lho informasinya. Ini saya kasih contohnya: Saya sih sebenernya mau juga ngelengkapin. Cuman sayang, saya kurang tau gimana cara merangkainya. --Erik Fastman (talk) 09:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * http://salam-online.com/2013/05/snouck-hurgronje-seorang-agnostik-dan-munafik-tulen-bag-1.html
 * http://salam-online.com/2013/05/snouck-hurgronje-seorang-munafik-tulen-bag-2.html
 * http://salam-online.com/2013/05/snouck-hurgronje-si-munafik-tulen-bag-3.html
 * http://id.berita.yahoo.com/makkah-di-mata-snouck-hurgronje-032251622.html
 * http://news.detik.com/read/2013/09/17/091700/2360667/471/cara-pandang-snouck-hurgronje-dan-clifford-geertz-dalam-melihat-islam-indonesia
 * Tidak begitu tertarik. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ya udah, kalo gitu apa yang kurang dari keadaan artikel Hurgronje saat ini (baik disini maupun di WBI) jika dicalonkan jadi AP. --Erik Fastman (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Mat ty. 007 11:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Would nominating it for DYK have any limitations on anything else? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  11:19, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried to fix the issues you raised. Mat  ty  .  007  13:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm watchlisting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you saw my reply there, sorry if you did (is there any time limit on FL candidates?). Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  19:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have, and I still believe a fundamental rewrite is in order. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello Crisco 1942
It is nice to see a young person eager, enthusiastic and willing to take on a useful volunteering job such as choosing the images for the main page of Wikipedia. I am also aware of the fact, as you must be, that the position carries a certain amount of kudos.

I also want to point out that, as a cleaner-upper of images, you have a particular set of values, and a good deal of vested interest.

Let it be a learning experience. You will fulfil this role ever so much better, if it is.

Here are a few precepts. I don't expect you to agree with them all, or take all or any of them on board at once.


 * Art is a valued subject of this encyclopedia. Art is the topic of many encyclopedic articles.  Many individual artworks have their own pages.  A number of people specialise in writing encyclopedic material about art and artists.
 * This means that when you put up a painting by an artist, then the artwork itself possibly has a current significance far beyond that of the the life details of the original subject. The outstanding composition, colouration, narrative quality or symbolism in the work of art may all be the subject of encyclopedic writing. The classic case is the Mona Lisa.  Likewise, Michelangelo's Creation of Adam is not simply significant because it illustrates a Biblical moment.


 * Every majorly significant artist and many minor ones have a biography on Wikipedia. When their work is featured, then the artist is featured, not just their subject.
 * Every artwork represents a technique which may be the subject of an article. Some artworks are superb representatives of of technique, or demonstrate a rare achievement.
 * NOTE: I am urging you not to be narrow in your concept of what constitutes "encyclopedic content" in an image, in the terms of the criteria.
 * My reading of that criteria was that a black and white photo of a Rainbow lorikeet conveys little that is encyclopedically useful. A photo may be attractive or interesting of itself, but have hardly any encyclopedic value. . Artworks, provided the work itself is of reasonable quality, and the reproduction good, rarely fall into the category of being un-encyclopedic, because they always represent an artist, a style, a period in time, and a technique, regardless of subject.


 * The word "restoration", in the context of an artwork means that the artwork itself has been dealt with.
 * If what has been done, has been done to a digital reproduction of an artwork, then the words "digitally restored" ought to be employed, not simply "restored". You can argue it as much as you like, but people who deal with the original, tactile real-world images will not regard their picture as having been "restored".

NOTE I am not indicating that I am in entire disagreement with digitally restoring images. There are many instances where it is greatly beneficial, particularly of printed material, where the old image has seriously lost quality, and/or where the image itself has significant value for its subject matter (such as the South Side image).
 * "Restored", digitally or otherwise, is not necessarily better. From the point of view of a museum, this image the unrestored, archived picture of the Armenian woman and her children, is of far greater value than the restored image.  The reason is that the photo is almost certainly a unique record of that individual, and the scars on its surface mark its history. No amount of fiddling with the scratches is going to turn it into a top quality photo. But as a remarkable record of an historic event, it is beyond doubt of "feature photo" quality.  This is one of those cases where "improving" the images does nothing to increase its encyclopedic value.  The only way that its value can be increased is by having the highest possible resolution image available.
 * Digital restoration often has negative effect. Here is a recent example of digital restoration that has caused considerable loss, and even changed the colour of the text at the bottom of the image from a sepia tone to grey. The background does not appear improved by the effort.
 * However, I believe that the original state should be retained as well.
 * Amandajm (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Amanda, and thank you for the feedback. As you point out, everything must be taken in context, and that includes my comment about "unencyclopedic". Dürer's Rhinoceros, for instance, would have no encyclopedic value in depicting the actual physical form of the animal. In discussing the actual work itself, or rhinoceroses in human culture, it would have some value (somewhat higher for an article on the work itself). For an MP feature, we'd stick with the one with the highest EV: the work as a work. In other cases, say the Minatare Chief, there would not be enough information present on the work to create an encyclopedia article on it, and thus on the English Wikipedia we could not have a blurb on the work as a work. If we had an article on the individual depicted, I'd go with that, but if not then (as is likely going to happen next year) it would be a blurb based on the tribe. This is not to say that the image does not have any EV in the article on the artist, but it is not as simple to demonstrate it in a rather short blurb.
 * I do admit that I am in a predominantly language-oriented field, and as such have had little experience with the visual arts. However, I must note that I have not said that any image is not "art". My primary concerns for limiting blurbs to concrete topics is (as explained above and at the POTD talk page) to ensure that the topic is readily accessible to the widest possible audience, and as such the blurb will be useful to the greatest number of people. Does this mean that subjects such as cubism rarely reach the main page? Certainly, though that is more incidental then by design.
 * Regarding credit: I completely recognise the right of the artist / creator of a work, be it of a work which is now public domain or a work that is copyrighted (including CC licenses) to be credited for their work. The issue with having a lengthy byline for the creator, rather than "Lithograph" or "Photograph" is simply that the number of possible tasks that may have had to be completed before a work could be materialised is too vast to list everything. Ultimately, in the name of saving space, the work as an entirety is credited to one or more artists. It's much simpler for the limited (and valuable) main page space.
 * Regarding digital restoration: it has been presumed, almost from the getgo, that readers will understand that the physical work has not been restored before being scanned by the person credited, but that the scan has been digitally restored to a state approaching that of the work as it first appeared. We are, after all, featuring digital images, not physical objects. Digital restoration being referred to as simply "restoration" is purely a space-saving convention, similar to the colon replacing "by": the meaning is implicitly agreed by convention, and thus read contextually.
 * Re: Original state: both files have all edits which have been uploaded retained. In this case, File:A Minatarre chief 0057v.jpg has the sepia-overlaid edits (starting from the very vignetted one all the way to what I decided was good enough), whereas all versions of the one on a white background are at File:A Minatarre chief 0057v edit.jpg. I did not upload separately as they were all incremental edits on the same image, and said image had not received any special status at the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding the South Side image, I strongly object to my change of direction in the article caption as being "persistent vandalism''. It plainly wasn't vandalism.
 * The caption initially contained a statement that was meaningless waffle: That the history of South Side was "a long one". Two hundred years is a short history, in terms of civilisation.  I notice that you accepted that change.
 * I also made clear that this work was unusual in itself, for having been drawn and processed by the same artist. The lithography is rarely by the artist, and the artist needs creditting. In this case the artist and lithographer are the same individual and he needs crediting as such.
 * My other change of caption was to a statement that had universal significance, rather than focussing on the tiny local frame of the place depicted. Bird's-eye views were of great general significance and interest.  They were used in the depiction of locations to which Governments, such as those in the US, Canada and Australia, wanted people to settle; they were often used to depict battles and battlefields (so there are depictions of South Africa, the Crimea etc).
 * My editted version took up exactly the same number of lines as yours.
 * You made some curious Edit Summary about the part of speech, (using the noun form) which appeared to be irrelevant to the change that you made.


 * Minatare chief: You comments don't address the considerable loss of quality to the outer edges of the coloured fields in this print. Look at it larger. Look at the feather and the problem shouldbecome immediately apparent. Compare the lettering of the older (high res) version with the latest and you will see the change to the colour.  Little has been achieved and much lost by fiddling around with it.
 * Please note my comments on the Armenian woman image, (currently up for assessment) where the editor reduced a really valuable pic to a poor, unacceptable image, simply by following the lead of other "restorers" who try to make the old look like the new.


 * One of the ways in which digital restoration can be used most valuably is as a tool for the art Historian.
 * Seeing the Mona Lisa in its original colouration is possible by skilful digital manipulation, and evidence provided by paintings of that date which have fewer layers of varnish.
 * The image that I have placed here is relatively well preserved, as far as frescoes from around 1300 go. However, like the other frescoes of the Scrovegni Chapel, it has suffered serious loss to the lapis lazuli blue. There remains just a small patch to evidence the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary's robe was once intensely blue.  It is the sort of thing that the casual viewer may miss entirely, and certainly not realise the implication.
 * The extensive use of that blue was written into the contract and with the semi-precious stone provided.
 * To me, as an artist and art historian, Giotto's manner of using that totally uncompromising flat blue colour is of singular importance in understanding his compositions. However, the overall picture of how he composed his pictures has been lost, along with the flaking colour. If the blue in the Scrovegni Chapel frescoes was restored and the work published online,  it would give a different view of the individual images, and the artist's overall mastery of composition.
 * I did a "digital restoration" of a couple of Giotto images, about twenty-five years ago, using Paintbrush, which was the only thing I had available at the time. It's about time that it was done again, using the much better techniques, now available.
 * Amandajm (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Re: Minatere chief: I did not reply to that directly because I read and understood it and was taking it under consideration for future use. No reply in this case was not to be read "don't care", but rather "you have a point" or "you are correct". I should note, however, that the colours in the LOC's original scan were likely affected by the yellowing of the paper as well, and thus a digital restoration would (by necessity) affect those somewhat.
 * I did not touch your changes to the South Side caption proper, as I mostly agreed with them (though I find the caption now a bit long, and again we should focus on the most specific possible usage). That is perfectly clear from the template's edit history. I only took issue with you unilaterally changing the way in which credit was given. As I have said multiple times, precedent is to simply present Lithograph. I have also given a reasoning behind it. Length is not only the number of lines, but also a number of words: why spend five words on something that can be summed up in one? The noun form comment was regarding "printed", etc, which are definitely not noun forms.
 * If you disagree with the precedent which has been established regarding credit, you can (again I link this) try discussing at WT:POTD or WT:FP. We seem to have a fundamental regarding how credits should be treated, and thus it seems unlikely that we will find middle ground.
 * Re: Armenian image. Could you provide a link? I'm looking but I can't find it.
 * Regarding the label of vandalism: perhaps it was mistaken, in retrospect, but at the time I was thinking: how do you suppose one should define edit warring against consensus and precedent on a page which is due for the main page in 24 hours, where all attempts to communicate have been patently ignored?02:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I find it curious that you say that you did not "touch the changes to the South Side caption proper''. You reverted my changes to the South Side caption proper. The change read:
 * This historic lithograph shows a bird's-eye view of the South Side of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Panoramic images such as this one, drawn from life and printed by Otto Krebs in 1871, were a popular form of topographic mapping from as early as the 17th century. The history of Pittsburgh's South Side begins with a grant of land in 1763. Krebs has depicted the area located at the confluence of the Monongahela (foreground) and Allegheny (background) Rivers, with what was then known as Birmingham in the right foreground and Allegheny in the distance on the left.
 * It nows says exactly what it said previously, with the omission of the "long history" bit.
 * I was completely unaware that your plan was to feature this as soon as 24 hours, or I would have let it pass, except for the "long history" bit.
 * Regardless of all this, those of you who frequently clean up old printed images need to be aware that you often have three individuals to credit: the artist, (pinct); the engraver (scupt) and the printer (print).   Bringing this all down to the single word "Lithograph" and then putting your own name (or Adam's) in print as "Restorer"  seems just a tad arrogant, if you have omitted the name of the person who drew the image.
 * Re the Minatare chief: having gone to the trouble of editing the two images to make the point, I did expect you to acknowledge the point that was made.
 * Thank you for your response. It is a pity that the wonderful bird's-eye view has gone to the main page which no mention of the nature of such images, and the focus still entirely on Pittsburgh.
 * Amandajm (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This? Sorry, I missed it when double checking. The issue with this is that the bold link is not to an article which has the image, which is a requirement for POTD. To be honest I'd have preferred going straight to the South Side article, but the image is not there. Perhaps the information could have been reworked so that the bit about panoramas could have been pushed further back, giving context but not overwhelming the blurb.
 * The template's name indicates the date, in YYYY-MM-DD format. So Template:POTD/2013-08-17 was 17 August 2013, and Template:POTD/2013-11-22 will be 22 November.
 * Credits: That may be, where such a difference is indicated on the image credit page. I will consider it in the future.
 * Minatare: My apologies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

 * Thanks! But I do think Drmies deserves most of the credit. Some quarter German I am, can't even speak the language... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Sea
(re Cwmhiraeth...) I think it's probably 13 points, calculation and text -- is this about right or does it need tweaking? My first one so feeling a bit shy ... Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Widely-covered", "Vital", and "core" are incremental, so that's "only" six points and not twelve. I'd probably agree with the main page representation points. So, by my counting, nine points. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. One other thing (if the text is ok) is, is it best to pick a date or to use the non-specific? Not being too clear how it works in practice! Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd go with non-specific as the specific dates are usually held for anniversaries. Unless there is a World Sea Day or something similar... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I say... World Oceans Day, 8 June. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Never heard of it! Which probably says it all. I'm inclined to go for a non-specific unless that's excluded now? Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Non-specific would be fine, and you're bound to have an easy TFAR (well, here's hoping, after all the two of you went through). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, let's go for it then. Thank you! Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Always glad to help! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Minangkabau
Bisakah anda juga membuat dan mengembangkan artikel id:Ulama Minangkabau dan id:Nama orang Minangkabau? Soalnya, artikel ini bukan merupakan terjemahan dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris, melainkan murni karya pengguna WBI, salah satunya adalah Naval Scene yang telah membuat dan mengembangkan artikel Ulama Minangkabau hingga menjadi AP... Hanamanteo (talk) 15:08, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Rasanya saya sudah pernah menjawab ini. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sebenarnya anda baru menjawab poin mengenai Nyanyi Sunyi dan Buah Rindu. Poin ini malahan belum dijawab oleh anda. Crisco, dimohon untuk memberikan suara di id:Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Si Tjonat. Di WBI, artikel itu sudah banyak yang biru... Hanamanteo (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

tr:Vikipedi:Seçkin resim adayları
By the way, may I recommend Turkish Featured pictures? They're very friendly and enthusiastic there. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do they accept you if you don't speak the language? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Sarai (Caryota mitis)
Om, aku bru ktemu foto yg pas bwt sarai (Ptk.; Pinang cekung, Lat.; Caryota mitis) dan dr sini fotonya, The Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society Disitu fotograf.x tadak jelas, ndak sperti foto Rotan irit yg jls2, Odoardo Beccari ngaku klo dialah yg memoto rotan itu. Nah, klo gambar yg aku temukan itu, masih boleh tak klo Templat:PD 1923 & PD-India? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 02:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sepertinya boleh (yang di halaman 84 kan?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ya... ya... bisa jadi benar sekali. Ap kah sy boleh tulis fotografernya itu E. Blatter (he3X, sedikit bangsat d Commons itu boleh kan?), karna penulis artikel itu namanya memang E. Blatter (yg bisa jadi fotografernya itu bukan dia), atw anonim saja? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 02:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Menurut keterangan di sana, pencipta fotonya M. Meier. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Lha, darimana anda tahu? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 02:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Kan, ada tulisan "Photograph by Rev[erend] M. Maier, S.J. [Serikat Yesus, maksudnya itu seorang Yesuit]. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sori3x. Sy rupanya kurang crmat mencari tulisannya. Sy mendapatinya d bwh tulisan, Caryota mitis Lour. dst... dst...'' Dan trakhir, trima kasi tlh bantu sy.-- Akbar ini dari Kalbar  02:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sama2. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lilis Suryani
The DYK project (nominate) 08:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice work, Crisco. Thanks for crediting me--for one sentence, one source, one category. Drmies (talk) 04:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah. That's what, 15% of the article? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Tokoh Indonesia
Hai, Crisco, bisakah anda menjadikan artikel biografi Indonesia seperti Soedjatmoko atau Fakih Usman hingga menjadi AP di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris? Soalnya, artikel ini isinya bagus sekali, patut rasanya dijadikan AP. Karena sebentar lagi hari Idul Adha, maka saya ucapkan "Selamat Hrai Raya Idul Adha" untuk anda! Hanamanteo (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Selamat hari raya Idhul Adha juga, saudara. Saya merasa Fakih Usman sudah hampir siap. Hanya ada satu buku yang hendak saya rujuk dulu sebelum artikelnya dibawa ke proses AP. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

User:189.102.111.66
Hello and selamat malam!

Sorry to bother you. I just need an admin to generally deal with this vandal. The user on is a long-term vandal who keeps changing years on airdates. This user has been at least blocked twice, but it seems her never learned his lesson. Can you block this guy as a favor for me and the other user who last reprimanded this vandal? Thanks! - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:21, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * And s/he is gone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Terima kasih! (Excuse my Bahasa. Our cable company used to carry various Indonesian channels until early last decade.) - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:48, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sama-sama! That's quite interesting, actually. I started studying Indonesian about eight years ago; before then, I knew not even enough to say thank you. Hard to get Indonesian TV in Canada ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Marshall Mathers LP 2
Crisco, would you please take a look at this one? It doesn't seem to me that this qualifies as new, since the material was pre-existing (created on August 15, with expansion starting August 28), but it is quite true that Koala15 would turn said material into a redirect regularly until Tony stepped in, reinstated the material, and then began expanding. How would this situation work? The bulk of the current article is still that original material. I imagine you've faced this situation before; can you please post to the nomination page? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but out of principle and for the sake of no more drama I would rather not get involved in a topic where Tony is the main editor. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't know if anyone cares for my opinion, but I left it at the nomination template. Drmies (talk) 17:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Drmies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Transclusion
Hey,

Just a heads up - generally, protection icons aren't necessary for content that's going to be featured on the main page, since protection is assumed (with the exception of TFA). However, if you do choose to use protection icons, try to wrap them in tags, or else we get people worrying about weird locks floating around the Main Page. :P

Cheers, m.o.p  01:41, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Self-trouted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/H. Hugh Fudenberg
Crisco, this one's just weird, and I'm not sure how to sort it out. It needs the attention of someone other than me, so I thought of you. Hope you can figure out what needs to be done, when you get the chance. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The ALT2 looks okay, though WP:MED people may want to have a look too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Javanese script
Hi Crisco,

Saya selama beberapa bulan terakhir banyak mengedit artikel Javanese script, tapi tidak mengundang banyak komentar. Saya pikir mungkin anda dapat berkomentar dan re-assess artikel tsb? (Moga-moga quality scale WikiProject bisa naik).

Saya juga kesulitan menerjemahkan artikel tersebut ke Bahasa Indonesia, karena struktur artikel di kedua Wiki tersebut berbeda. Bisakah anda bantu? Sekalian, selamat hari raya Idul Adha untuk anda~ Alteaven (talk) 14:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sama-sama (meskipun saya tidak merayakan Idul Adha). Kalau artikelnya, saya merasa ada masalah dengan rujukan. Itu belum cukup untuk diberi assessment lebih dari C. Masih banyak bagian yang tidak memiliki satu pun rujukan (misalnya, #Relation with other languages). Selain itu, sudah lumayan siap (meski sebenarnya saya merasa gambarnya terlalu banyak dan besar). Kalau soal terjemahan, saya sudah jarang sekali menerjemahkan artikel dari bahasa Inggris ke dalam bahasa Indonesia, dan sepertinya sebagian besar teksnya sudah sama. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Maaf, dikira rayain soalnya di talk sebelumnya ada yang ngucapin :) #Relation with other languages sudah ada sebelum saya edit, dan memang tidak ada rujukan dari awal. Apa mending di delete? Gambarnya kebanyakan ya? Gambar per-huruf atau gambar manuskrip2nya? Alteaven (talk) 14:47, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Kalau bisa mencari sumber, jauh lebih baik. Informasi mengenai aksara Jawa dalam bahasa Sunda dan Bali (setidaknya) mesti ada dalam artikel itu. Manuscript-nya yang kebanyakan (dan terlalu besar). Kalau soal huruf itu sudah cukup. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Begitu... Tidak seperti aksara Devanagari atau Thailand, sulit mencari contoh aksara Jawa yang bagus dan ukurannya besar. Contoh paling bagus terdapat dalam naskah, tapi ukurannya keciiiil, makanya saya bikin gede ._." Saya juga agak terdorong untuk menempatkan banyak gambar karena kurangnya gambar naskah Jawa di internet (nanti mungkin saya akan buat artikel terpisah mengenai itu). Untuk sementara, gambarnya sudah saya kurangi dan rujukan nanti akan dicari, bagaimana? Alteaven (talk) 15:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Gambar masih dapat diakses, asal di Commons. Sebenarnya di perpus Tamansiswa (museumnya) ada buku-buku beraksara Jawa juga yang dapat discan. Cuma saya harus bisa mencari tahu kapan penulisnya meninggal sebelum tahu apakah itu sudah masuk wilayah umum atau bukan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Baik, terima kasih atas sarannya! Alteaven (talk) 06:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

One prep, no queues, not quite three hours for an admin to show
Yes, it's me with the usual silly subject line, and the need for a prep promotion since the queues are empty. (Only one prep, too; not so great.) If you're around between now and then and no one has gotten there before you, help would be most welcome. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 05:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have gotten it. Will try and build a prep too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. 24 hours later, and this time there are four preps full, but again no queues. An improvement, but not enough of one, at least from the passing admin's point of view, I imagine... BlueMoonset (talk) 05:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Got that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference added
Hi Crisco,

Saya sudah menambahkan rujukan2nya. Bagaimana, apakah sudah dapat meningkatkan kualitas artikel? Alteaven (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Masih kurang sedikit. Cobalah agar setiap paragraf memiliki setidaknya satu rujukan. Yang tadi hanya sebagai contoh. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tidak cuma Relations with other language kok. Saya tambah-tambahkan sehingga tiap bagian setidaknya punya satu atau dua rujukan.Alteaven (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Memang, tapi saya tadi menyatakan setiap paragraf. Misalnya, semua tentang Kongres Bahasa Jawa tidak ada rujukannya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Haiya... kalau gitu masih lama dari selesai. KBJ sudah ditambahkan rujukannya, sisanya nanti dulu Alteaven (talk) 13:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Memang cukup susah, tapi untuk kelas B kita mau menjamin faktualitas dari apa yang disajikan untuk pembaca. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

FLC
Hi, could you please have a look a Bob Willis' FLC. Zia Khan 03:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Your comments have been resolved there. Regards, Zia Khan 20:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

PD check
Hi Cris, Can I check out a file I want to upload to Commons? I'm pretty sure it's all OK, but just wanted to run it by someone trustworthy first. The original is at the NPG and shows Ralph Vaughan Williams photographed "in the early 1920s" by Herbert Lambert, who died in 1936. This should be OK for an upload, n'est pas? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC) I thought it was 70 years pma? Or is it both 70 years pma and def before 1923? - SchroCat (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Problem is, "early 1920s" goes up to 1923/24, which would not be PD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, would not be PD in the US. We have to consider US copyright laws, as the servers are located in Florida. An image like this can only be PD in the US if it was either a) published before 1923 or b) public domain in the UK before 1996 (the URAA) and not protected in accordance with US law (rather difficult for the UK, with 70 pma) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks: I'll chalk it up for a January 2015 entry onto Commons, which should be OK. Cheers, as always - SchroCat (talk) 13:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Pardon? I thought the URAA extended US copyright to 95 years pma. Nasty little agreement that was. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Bugger - 2019 (ish) it is then! - SchroCat (talk) 13:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm getting 2032 (1936 + 95, round up) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's damned annoying - especially when it's already PD in the UK! Is there a way to have this as free media somewhere - possibly along the same lines as File:Edward Elgar, posing for the camera (1931).jpg, which was also taken by Herbert Lambert, but a few years later? - SchroCat (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Stuff like that isn't accepted anymore, sadly. Check out commons:Commons:WikiProject Public Domain/URAA review. Again, nasty stuff. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Double bugger!! I knew there was an gap, but I didn't realise what an awful one it really is: nasty is something of an understated description! Cheers for the lesson - always useful, even if a disappointing outcome! - SchroCat (talk) 14:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's why I really, really, really wish the US would hurry up and apply the rule of the shorter term. A full version of Darah dan Doa, on Commons, with English subtitles (by yours truly)... imagine... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a comment: You could probably upload to Wikilivres. You wouldn't be able to use it on Wikipedia, but at least you'd have a backup copy if the source goes down. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Infobox photo consensus discussion
Hi. Can you offer your opinion on which photo would be better for the Rebecca Housel Infobox in this discussion? If you are unable to, I understand; you don't have to reply to this message. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Machine translation
Is the politest I could think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Van_Java your opinion is optional, your actions even more so, if neceassery just a FYI or .. whatever satusuro 13:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Assaulted with a deadly typewriter. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ahah my visiting card from Hong Kong :) - I mean it could be an interesting article - if written in comprehensible english :) satusuro 14:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. OVJ is pretty big here, at least on my campus. If the tour comes to Jogja my classmates end up finding a whole bunch of free time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival
Crisco, what's going on with this nomination? (I figure that you, as nominator, would know where it stands.)

If it needs a new reviewer, I'm happy to put out the call for one; I've just removed the redlinked Mains, and each of those sections now has recently added 2012 material in them, presumably from those redlinked articles (which failed at AfC). Please let me know. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito seems to have been insisting on having the "Main" links blue before this could be passed (!), which is nowhere near the DYK requirements. So long as the 2012 winners are in the article I think that's already fine. A new reviewer would be needed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've called for a new review that is complete, and added it to my periodic "old nominations" list; I didn't actually call for a new reviewer, but I can if it becomes necessary. (It seems odd to me that three different IPs are being given "make" credit, even though I feel pretty confident that it's the same creator, who has an ISP that frequently reassigns IP numbers. (It makes communication with said creator a bit difficult at times.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the same IP, yes. Dynamic ones bite. I don't know if this is the same individual who did so many wrestler biographies a few years back, though as the fields are quite different it would surprise me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Lie Kim Hok
This is a note to let the main editors of Lie Kim Hok know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on November 1, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/November 1, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Lie Kim Hok (1853–1912) was a peranakan Chinese teacher, writer, and social worker active in the Dutch East Indies. Born in Buitenzorg, Lie studied in missionary schools. In the 1870s he began working as the editor of two periodicals published by his teacher, leaving the position in 1880. Lie's first books, including the critically acclaimed poem Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari and grammar book Malajoe Batawi, were published in 1884; Lie published a further 23 books before his death, including Tjhit Liap Seng (1886), considered the first Chinese Malay novel. Lie also acquired printing rights for the newspaper Pembrita Betawi, helped establish the Chinese organisation Tiong Hoa Hwe Koan, and wrote numerous articles in newspapers. Styled the "father of Chinese Malay literature", Lie is also considered influential to the colony's journalism and linguistics. However, he has also drawn criticism for adapting other writers' works without giving credit, a tendency first discovered after his death of typhus. As a result of the language politics in the Indies and independent Indonesia, his work has become marginalised. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for List of works by Kwee Tek Hoay
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Image copyright question
Is an image with a Cuba PD tag like this - File:U of Havana 1930.jpg - okay for GA? Or does it need a US tag as well? (The GA in question is Early life of Fidel Castro.) Thanks and enjoy the day! -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Need to know when the author died (sorry, was at Borobudur all weekend). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:49, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Volubilis
It's now nearly a month since I nominated this article for FA and I'd like to get any remaining issues resolved. Could you please take a look again at Featured article candidates/Volubilis/archive1 and let me know if you are happy with the current state of play? Prioryman (talk) 18:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Will try when I have time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 October 2013

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DYK for Lenong
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 13:38, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Buah Rindu
Finally got around to expanding the lead. Looks good for GA now if you want to nom.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:17, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look and try a GA nom later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, very nice lead. Giving it a shot. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ouw Peh Tjoa
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ouw Peh Tjoa you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- 01:22, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Hogere Burgerschool
Hey Crisco, I found something that has an interesting Indonesian angle--and the education of Sukarno (combined with Thorbecke's liberal goals) makes for a DYK hook. I'm willing to bet that some material from the Indonesian article could be brought in. Speaking of which, can you have a look at this diff? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:46, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, the Burgerschools. I'll try to have a look sometime this week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As for the revert: sadly par for the course on the Indonesian Wikipedia. Fair-use image is much freer there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:54, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, give 'em a warning for the "vandalism" calling. Are you an admin there? Surely you can find a reason. Drmies (talk) 13:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sadly, no. Just autopatrolled. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks Khazar! Yeah, I'm surprised sometimes too (with current FAs, that's almost 25 I think). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ouw Peh Tjoa
The article Ouw Peh Tjoa you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ouw Peh Tjoa for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- 11:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Apologies
In the review for Featured list candidates/List of currencies in Europe/archive1 I misinterpreted what someone else said, leading me to misinterpret what you had said. This was certainly not intentional. Best-Godot13 (talk) 18:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I was a bit short with you, but I've had a nasty (frightening?) month of October. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Frightening? I hope everything is okay...-Godot13 (talk) 00:28, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As they say, hang in there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference and pictures
Hi Crisco,

Saya ada beberapa pertanyaan, selagi saya liat2 referensi di artikel aksara Jawa yang Indonesia, banyak diantaranya yang merujuk pada comment di suatu forum, memang itu boleh dipakai sebagai rujukan? Lalu, banyak media seperti tabel dan gambar di wiki Indonesia tidak diupload ke commons. Ketika saya mau pindahkan, gambar tersebut dicap tidak memiliki license yang benar. Bagaimana cara menambahkannya?

Terimakasih. Alteaven (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Diskusi di forum tidak boleh, karena tidak ada pihak yang memverifikasinya. Soal tabel, apakah yang diupload itu tabel sendiri atau aksaranya? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Tabel aksara. Seperti perbandingan antar gaya penulisan aksara atau perkembangan bentuk. Alteaven (talk) 10:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Coba diupload ke flickr atau apa, biar aku lihat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Misal file berikut id:Berkas:Aj-ngtmbr.png Alteaven (talk) 15:08, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... bukannya gambar seperti itu tidak perlu? Bisa membuat tabel dengan wikicode lalu menggunakan gambar-gambar aksara itu, kan? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Untuk gaya ini memang, tapi ada juga id:Berkas:Aj-solo.png, id:Berkas:Aj-jogja.png, id:Berkas:Aj-bs.png dan tabel besar (namun gambarnya pecah-pecah) seperti id:Berkas:Aksara jawa-hindu.jpg. Selain itu, font unicode Jawa tidak ada secara default di windows. Setelah dipindah ke commons, niat saya adalah upload new version file tersebut. Apa mending saya upload langsung aja new file di commons? Alteaven (talk) 01:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Saya masih kurang mengerti apa yang tidak bisa dibuat dengan wikimarkup biasa. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah maaf. Maksud saya pembuatnya pun tidak memberi sumber atau license. Jadi kalaupun saya tambahkan license, saya tidak tahu license apa. Apakah ada license yang seusai untuk kondisi seperti ini? Alteaven (talk) 07:44, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Barangkali PD-text untuk aksara-aksaranya. Untuk tabel sendiri, bikin baru terus menggunakan PD-Self atau sejenis. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Pere Marquette
Hi Crisco, I'm fairly certain the image used in the Pere Marquette DYK is okay but would you mind having a very quick look - it's marked as PD but states: "The card has no copyright marks as can be seen in the links". It's not one I've come across before. Thanks. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  14:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's PD. Until the 1970s US copyright law required a copyright notice to be included. There is no such notice with this postcard. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Crisco, sorry I hadn't noticed your reply until this morning. Enjoy your new camera - I still use my Canon A710, so I hope I get another couple of years out of it.  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  08:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When I was shopping for my first real digital camera (I had had a Logitech ClickSmart 820 before, but it was mainly intended as a webcam) I didn't see the A710; looks like a pretty reliable camera though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:40, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've still got my Olympus OM101 sitting in a drawer - gone are the days of buying film, waiting to get it developed and then throwing most of the pics out, while still retaining a drawer full of negatives!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  08:50, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit too young to remember that, sadly. I do remember using those Kodak disposable cameras when I was like 8 or 9, but didn't buy my own until my last year of senior high school. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Oscars
Hi there.

I was wondering if you will be could proofread Featured list candidates/68th Academy Awards/archive1 and Featured list candidates/61st Academy Awards/archive1 since you have done several film awards lists. I understand you may be busy, but I just want some feedback on grammatical errors or contents and I would be grateful for the extra help. Thanks.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 01:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do, though I can't guarantee anything. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Impossibly precise coordinates
How is it possible that you know the location of an event that happened in 1740 to 30 cm of precision? Abductive (reasoning) 03:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you not see the "ID_dim:5km" parameter? That means "within a 5km radius of this spot" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * How did you get the number? Abductive  (reasoning) 14:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Geolocator. For example, for the grave of Oerip Soemohardjo (another article which I noticed that you visited) I went to the website, found Kusumanegara Heroes' Cemetery on the map, and located where I remembered the grave to be when I took the picture (between that of Sudirman and Supeno). For the Batavia massacre, I located the rough area where it and chose a diameter which would cover more area (as you said, several locations, and nothing too precise is recorded). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Promotion to queue?
Crisco, I noticed you were around, and also noticed the DYKUpdateBot giving the warning about no queues being ready. If you have time, do you think you might promote one? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually just on my way out (picking up my "early Christmas present", a Canon EOS 60D; my old Canon PowerShot A560 has seen better days), but I've gotten one up really quickly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:43, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Enjoy your new camera! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's turned out to work like a dream. That picture of a koteka was really easy to manage. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks great! (Glad you didn't have to wait for the holiday.) Don't know if you're around just now, but the next DYKUpdateBot warning is due in about 50 minutes, unless someone promotes a prep to a queue before then. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I was in class, so I missed this. Have done two. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:10, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Brilliant photo, so much so it enticed me to go to the article to find out exactly what it was - now blushing profusely while still envious of your new camera!   SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  21:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Re: Koteka: One of my classmates at my old university was from Papua, and as I was interested in koteka (as something very dissimilar to anything now common in the West) I asked him to bring an unused one back. It is... a conversation starter, to be sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Ada yang ingin saya sampaikan
Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 03:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimohon untuk menjadwalkan film ''Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI di tanggal 30 September 2014 kaena bertepatan dengan G30S/PKI yang terjadi pada 30 September 1965
 * Memang itu sudah rencana saya (lagian 2014 itu ulang tahun ke-20 tahun film tersebut) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimohon untuk menjadwalkan National Hero of Indonesia pada 11 November, berdekatan dengan Hari Pahlawan yang jatuh tanggal 10 November.
 * Di WB Inggris kemungkinan besar tanggal tersebut akan digunakan untuk Veterans' Day, karena mayoritas penutur bahasa Inggris. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimohon untuk memberikan suara pada id:Wikipedia:Artikel bagus/Usulan/Ouw Peh Tjoa
 * Boleh nanti, akan saya lihat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimohon untuk memajukan artikel bertema Indonesia menjadi AP di WBI karena akhir-akhir ini anda jarang di WBI.

Film festival lists on AFC
Hi Crisco. Is it alright if I start working on the Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival lists again? Titodutta said all I had to do was add "at least 1–2 secondary RS" and I've added multiple sources since then. The awards list has 11 and the selections list has 6 (all from the Providence Journal). I'm not sure what else I can do. 72.74.206.140 (talk) 01:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be up to AFC. They've gone and made it quite difficult for previously uninvolved editors to edit. I'd suggest making sure you've included a bit of context as a lead (compare Citra Award for Best Director, for instance). Using some of the references from the main article would work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this better? 72.74.206.140 (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Much better. I'd cite the bit about the Lovecraft Award though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I've also expanded the intro for the selections list. 72.74.206.140 (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. Looks fairly good. However, how is "Southeast Asia" a country? Re: "nearly every country in the world except for Vietnam and Southeast Asia (As of 2009).". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm just going by what the source says. I can reword it. 72.74.206.140 (talk) 08:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd do that. Though "grammar" isn't a legitimate reason on its own, you want to be extra safe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added a few more sources to both articles. Do you think they're ready to be submitted again? 72.74.206.140 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Only possible issue I can see now is the lack of information for 2000. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but we've seen how "friendly" these AFC reviewers can be. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't find any information on awards prior to 2001 so I removed the 2000 section from the awards list. Almost all the sources in both the main article and the selections list support that the festival has been around since at least 2000. 72.74.206.140 (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, best of luck. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate all the help. 72.74.206.140 (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Monster (company)
Hi Crisco. North addressed the redundancy and provided some feedback on a proposed Lead, which I incorporated into the draft. I was wondering if you would take a quick look at the proposed lead and see if you also find it acceptable. CorporateM (Talk) 16:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone already got it. Or am I mistaken? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah, North got it. I also culled through it for copyedits (missing commas, etc.) and boldly made some tweaks to the Products section. I've been looking into the Candlestick sponsorship. Even paid a $4 fee for a very thorough LA Times archives article, but haven't found anything worth including. It's possible I'm just not seeing it. But if you like I can send you the LA Times article to take a look, or we can wait for feedback from a GA review.


 * North also mentioned it needed an image or two, which I'm going to look for and there are some External links that probably do not belong, but are regarding the trademarks controversy, so I won't remove them. Should be GAN-ready fairly soon! CorporateM (Talk) 22:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Will take a look at the ELs. Agree about the images (as I've said before, the cables!) As for the LA Times... don't worry about it yet. Let the GA review have a look first. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol, North said cables too. You wanna know what's painful - they have an image of Noel Lee standing in front of the garage where Monster was founded. The image looks old and it would be terrific for the History section, but oh those precious copyrights. CorporateM (Talk) 22:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. If they are willing to donate the image (I don't see much "commercial opportunity" in a perhaps 35-year-old picture) that would be doable. Have you read Donating copyrighted materials yet? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I just got back from Best Buy, where I took a bunch of pictures of Monster products for commons. Mostly the products are still in their packaging and I presume the packaging itself is copyrighted? I was wondering if you knew what how to best navigate copyrights for it? CorporateM (Talk) 20:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have a flickr account, try uploading there. I can usually digitally remove the cables from their packaging (though, of course, having the cables photographed without the packaging would be much better). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:31, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Pertanyaan
Ada beberapa pertanyaan yg ingin sy tanyakan, dan janganlah kakak menjadi kesal dan risau kerana kebodohan sy ini. Begini:
 * Kakak, suda banyak buat artikel film sbelum 1950-an. Kok bisa, banyak film pra-1950an itu pada jadi film hilang (lost film)? Apa sebabnya, dan kok bisa? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 12:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Itu pertanyaan yang harus saya jawab untuk tesis saya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Lalu, ada tetangga sy mantan veteran ngaku2 klo dia punya gulungan film Terang Boelan thn 1937. Sy bilang, klo ada arsip lama, tlg 'ya diserahkan k PNRI. Tapi, dia bilang ndak mau. Lalu, tindakan ap yg hrus sy lakukan, dan klo memang benar, bagaimana sy membujukkan dia? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 12:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Itulah keputusan orang itu sendiri. Kalau dia memang mempunyai film tersebut (aku agak sulit percaya, apalagi aku belum menemukan bukti bahwa film ini sempat dipertontonkan di Kalimantan) memang lebih baik dia serahkan kepada pihak-pihak yang berkepentingan. Namun, tidak ada yang namanya "pengadaan film", beda dari halnya "pengadaan tanah"... alias, tidak bisa dipaksakan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Lalu, sbenarnya ap sih penyebab utama dari suatu fenomena yg dinamakan film hilang/lost film itu? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Banyak. Kebakar, rusak karena air, dirusakkan, tidak teliti dalam menyimpannya... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Lha... tdk teliti dlm penyimpanan-pun dapat menyebabkan film hilang? Apakah misalnya, begini, sy bikin film, lalu satu karyawan sy tdk teliti menyimpan itu gulungan film. Lantas, apakah film itu bisa langsung kemakan tikus apa? Dan, ada tdk cara/teknologi lain agar film itu tdk hilang? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimakan tikus kek, kejamuran kek, kena sinar matahari kek (kan, negative bisa rusak kalau kena sinar matahari). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Begitu 'tho? Pasti karena kesalahan Albert Balink, gulungan film Terang Boelan itu -kata tetangga sy- sampe k tangannya. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 07:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Belum tentu. Kan, biasanya mereka cetak lebih dari satu. Kalau sudah bukan di tangan Balink sendiri, bukan tanggung jawab dia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tunggu.... gulungan film bisa (ke)jamuran? Rasanya, sgala sesuatu yg terbuat dri bahan kimia (terkecuali kimia makanan) bisa jamuran alias bulukan, 'deh? Emang bisa, gulungan film jamuran? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 12:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Iya ("mold" itu bahasa Indonsianya berjamuran / kejamuran, kan?) Ketika orang-orang membersihkan Lewat Djam Malam, "mold" itu salah satu hal yang harus dihilangkan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:33, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Iya, walaupun berjamuran itu lebih nyaman didengar ketimbang kejamuran. Ini sy ada 2 pertanyaan terakhir, sebenarnya makna dari film hilang itu ap sih? Dan apakah tuan berminat k Afrika, setelah dengar lagu ini:
 * ''Pergi ke Afrika
 * Bersana Big Cola
 * Terbang ke Afrika
 * Dan bertemu jerapah?

Salam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 04:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "Makna dari film hilang"? Maksud pertanyaan ini apa? Kalau film hilang ya, film yang hilang, yang tidak bisa ditonton lagi. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tak pikir, film hilang itu film yg bener2 hilang hingga payah mau mencarinya, dan klo ditemukan kembali, itu menjadi film yg rediscovered. Trima kasih, kak atas informasinya, sbab, tanya jawab sy ini, sebenarnya buat bahan tugas wawancara sy d plajaran Bahasa Indonesia. Trima kasih. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adi.akbartauhidin (talk • contribs) 05:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wekekek kalau buat tugas tinggal bilang tadi. Lost film itu memang tidak dapat diketahui apakah memang sudah benar-benar hilang; lebih tepat menyatakan "film yang disangka sudah hilang" atau "film yang tidak diketahui keberadaannya oleh siapa pun jua". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Mohon maap kak, seumpama tugas sy ini membuat kakak risau dan kesal. Dari bhs. saja, kakak kelihatan kesal. Sy bisa merasakannya, sbg. contoh:""Makna dari film hilang"? Maksud pertanyaan ini apa? Kalau film hilang ya, film yang hilang, yang tidak bisa ditonton lagi." Jgn karna soalan yg dibrikan guru sy ini, lantas kakak tak mau beri tlg beta, suatu saat nanti jikalau sy punya masalah d Wikipedia. Salam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 09:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Missing DYKmake in Q4
Just in case you're around in the next half hour, I've just posted at the bottom of WT:DYK about a missing DYKmake in Queue 4. If you can add it, that would be great. (It's for the lead hook.) Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Buletin Utama
You protected this article after only one vandal edited it. Seeing as how there had been no IP edits since August, I think this was a bit preemptive. Consider unprotecting?  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 21:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Pay a bit more attention to the page history (and try looking at similar TV station articles, such as RCTI). There are some very persistent, IP-hopping editors (likely paid) who insist on making Indonesia- and Malaysia-related TV stations a hotbed of cruft, overlinking, etc. In this case, the same or similar individual made the same edits which had led to the page being protected for an escalating amount of time (including one year most recently). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Better late than never...
A little later than planned, after something of a break, but here I am begging for cricket reviews. Slightly shorter than usual, and hopefully not drifting into lists of stats. Any comments on Maurice Leyland welcome at the PR here. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Will try and have a go tonight. BTW, I've got one up too... Fakih Usman is here — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dhalia
Gatoclass (talk) 00:05, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

FLC
Hi, could you have your comments at Featured list candidates/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Curtly Ambrose/archive1? Regards, Zia Khan 01:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe Remy Sylado's middle name is "Fa"
Hi. Regarding Remy Sylado, I can verify that the song is "And I Love Her" (not "All My Loving"). But strangely, it's missing a note. The source lists the notes as "re-mi-ti-la-do", but the song is actually "re-mi- fa -ti-la-do". (The musically-inclined Drmies can probably substantiate this.)

I've got a plausible explanation for the incorrect title named by one source. The first line of the correct song, "And I Love Her", sung to the specified notes, is "I give her all my love", which sounds a lot like the incorrect song title, "All My Loving". M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  09:42, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, fair enough. I'll self-revert. Hmm... odd about the "fa". Perhaps because a lot of Indonesians have trouble pronouncing F? Or because the addition of another number would get rid of the "kiss" symbolism? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Or, if you remove the word corresponding to that note from the song, it leaves "I give all my love". Speaking of musical notes, this is all about a series of individual notes, whereas chords are combinations of notes, so I've changed "chords" to "notes" in both the article and the DYK. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  10:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks for vetting this! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Not again...
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Si Tjonat to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. BencherliteTalk 19:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Ditto! Cass managed to beat me to it, but a whole bother barn star from me too. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:57, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Jarang Berkarya di WBI
Halo, Crisco, mengapa kini anda jarang berkarya di WBI? Apakah ada kesibukan di sini atau apa? Dimohon untuk memberikan suara di id:Wikipedia:Artikel pilihan/Usulan/Panggilan Darah. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 05:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Soalnya menulis di Wikipedia berbahasa Inggris lebih menguntungkan bagi saya. 1) bahasanya lebih mudah untuk saya dan 2) lebih banyak orang bisa membacanya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Bukankah anda paham bahasa Indonesia?
 * Justru banyak orang membaca artikel bertema Indonesia di WBI karena asas cinta negara. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Paham =/= harus menggunakannya dan senang menggunakannya untuk kepentingan ilmiah.
 * Lalu? Pembacanya masih terbatas di Indonesia. Di dunia internasional... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Justru itulah, rasa nasionalisme anak bangsa Indonesia semakin memudar karena arus globalisasi, saya khawatir anak bangsa Indonesia malah tak paham apa itu Indonesia... Hanamanteo (talk) 10:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Translation copyright question
Quick copyright question for you, this one about Die Forelle. The lyrics of the song are in German, but the article also provides an English translation. The translation of the first three verses appears to be taken verbatim from a 1988 book, and the translation of the fourth verse verbatim from a 2003 book. Does this raise any copyright concerns? -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * At four paragraphs I'd consider fair use questionable. One, okay. Two, arguable... four is a bit much. We wouldn't have four verses of a modern pop song, would we? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify slightly: the first three verses are not verbatim copies, but amalgams from two sources. The forth verse is from one of those sources. - SchroCat (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Still a bit questionable. I tried to give a translation of the text at The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife (NSFW) based on another translation on the web, and there were issues because it was too close to the source. Would Gerda Arendt be willing to provide an original translation, perhaps? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean: I should translate it as if none of the others existed? (I would hesitate, - this is period German and should be translated with a feeling for the time, Moonraker is exquisite at that.) - For Bach, we got rid of all (complete) texts and translations in the articles, there are links to text and several translations, text is quoted and translation cited only where it is needed to make a point about the music, for example BWV 103, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

'tis the season''
 * Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent TFA, teaching, languages, poetry ... like my little one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a good alternative, I think. An EL to a published translation. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Cris, can I ask about File:Schubert - Schumann-Heink - Die Forelle (1929).ogg too? It's not the best summary I see - not even showing the source properly (which I think may by this page), and I'm a bit worried that it may fall into that awkward area of dates (that would mean we can't use it until 2299!) thanks. - SchroCat (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Schumann-Heink's death date alone would put it copyrighted in the US, as it was still copyrighted in Germany/the EU at the time of the URAA. So in the US this performance (and who made the recording? that has its own copyright) would be copyright until 95 years after her death (1936 + 95 = 2031). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for chiming in on both of these points, Crisco-- Khazar2 (talk) 01:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I've tagged the file for deletion on Commons, and sorted the text, leaving only one verse, which should be OK. - SchroCat (talk) 10:28, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

The tag was removed as apparently this isn't a copyvio. See the talk page for the details. Could you have a look as I can drop this back into the article if it's clear? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Which has absolutely nothing to do with the copyright, as she could easily have performed this in France, or Germany, etc. Nominated for deletion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought that was probably the case, but I find (c) such a minefield I'm always happier asking someone who knows what they're talking about! Cheers (once again!) - SchroCat (talk) 12:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, you're not the only one. Even MRG doesn't like to mess with image copyright (and to be honest I really hate audio copyright as there are three copyrightable things in each recording). Even a simple photograph like File:Dharma Wiratama Museum 04.jpg needs three tags (!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:28, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Remy Sylado
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

re mi si la do
My last lesson in solfège was a long (LONG!) time ago, but I think enough stuck for me to be able to confirm that that is indeed the opening of And She Loves Me, not All My Loving.

And if you're interested, solfège, also known as tonic solfa, is a system for sight-reading music that originated in Italy and is in use world-wide, by no means particular to Indonesia. (It's kind of the phonics of reading music, as an analogy).

Awien (talk) 12:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Only reason I specified "Indonesia" is because for my (admittedly Anglophonic and tone-deaf ears), it is often rendered "Do re mi fa so la ti do" in English (or is that a different system all together?). I do, however, owe you a big thanks for polishing that phrase up. Thank you! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome - and isn't it a cute way of creating a pen name? As for "Do re mi fa so la ti do", that's the same system, the whole scale from bottom note to top, rather than a tune. You're maybe too young for The sound of Music []? Best, Awien (talk) 12:35, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, not too young to know which song you're talking about without opening the link. My question: how does "tea, I drink with jam and bread" get translated into the romance languages? I mean, those lyrics aren't going to make sense in countries with sol la si do, right? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the mnemonic for the names only works in English, but if you listen to the whole thing, it's also a lesson in how the names relate to the notes of the scale. Never know, might cure your tone-deafness ^_- Awien (talk) 12:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, certainly worth a try. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

With nothing better to do this morning (hah!), just for fun I transcribed the first phrase of O Canada into tonic solfa. It's in the key of F, so F is do. The first note of the tune is A, so that's mi, and so on. That makes O Canada, our home and native land mi so so do, re mi fa so la re. (And whether you call the fifth note of the scale so or sol, and the seventh ti or si doesn't affect the principle). Feel free to ignore this lecture if you really don't care ^_-

As for a week of Georges, a certain person close to me has no problem with that, and thinks in fact that a month of Georges would be fine too. Now back to making the yard winter ready before the snow comes. Ciao! Awien (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That... makes really good sense, actually. I've been more... pulling my hair out because of pictures. Went to Monumen Jogja Kembali, got a decent panorama... then realised that the stitching errors were pretty bad. Oh well, time to invest in a tripod.
 * As for snow... one thing about Canada I don't miss at all :D. Now, if we were talking poutine... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Aaargh! For heaven's sake don't talk poutine! A person could gain a kilo or two just thinking about it! Awien (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I wouldn't mind, if it meant having the p-word... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Allah jang Palsoe
Dimohon untuk memberikan suara di sini. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dimohon juga untuk memberikan suara di sini dan di sini. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Minta nama
Kak, mohon maaf y kak, kalo misalnya sy minta sesuatu yg agak penting buat kakak. Siapa nama kakak sekalian marga kakak (stiap org Barat pastilah punya nama keluarga atw yg umum oleh org Indonesia sbagai marga). -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Soalnya bgini, kak. Karna, stiap wawancara kata guru Bahasa Indonesia sy, hrus disebutkan sapa nama narasumbernya, kak. Atas pengertiannya, sy ucapkan trima kasih. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Chris Woodrich, boleh disebut Mr. Woodrich kalau mau. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Trima kasih, Tuan Woodrich. Salam dari Pontianaksch volk. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Heartiest congratulations! - SchroCat (talk) 15:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you too! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats, this is well deserved. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me too. You're going to be fantastic at this; it's great to see two Wikipedians I admire as much as you and Schro getting this position. -- Khazar2 (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, well done. Sounds like a position that needs common sense and experience. You have both in spades, so what could go wrong? Well deserved. Begoon &thinsp; talk  19:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations from me too, I have seen lots of your good work in FL and FP, and DYK. Thanks, and good luck, Mat  ty  .  007  22:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ditto. We have the best man for the job here!  Congrats! --   Cassianto Talk   00:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Crisco. It's the sort of work you excel at. Hope it doesn't diminish your DYK time too much! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * A belated congratuations on becoming a delegate! I see you've already begun closing lists, which is great. Just follow the helpful directions on Matthewedwards' FLC page and I'm sure you won't have any problems. And please keep contributing to articles if you still have the time. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 02:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I'm too late, but congratulations! Zia Khan 11:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rhode Island International Horror Film Festival
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikicup
Getting REALLY tired of Milburn's insistence that FPs are inherently less valuable in every way than article work. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:19, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a discussion to link to, Adam? Not sure of the context here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama in Ukraine?
Trying to figure out the copyright status of File:Uzhhorod_Castle_2.jpg. It's in a castle in Ukraine. Any thoughts? -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * None. What year was the statue made? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No idea. Should I pull this one from the article on better-safe-than-sorry grounds? It's in Álmos and is of minimal importance. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd pull it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Selamat!
Crisco, selamat, anda berhasil menjadi pengasuh WP:FLC! Namun, dimohon untuk memberikan suara pada pengusulan artikel pilihan di sini dan sini. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 01:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Never seen this at DYK before
Crisco, I recently pointed out some significant problems with the nominated article at Template:Did you know nominations/Güstrow Castle; this was a Rosiestep and Nvvchar nomination of their Güstrow Castle article. I have to admit that I was shocked when my Watchlist showed that the article had been moved out of article space into their wikiproject space; although a redirect was left behind, the article currently lives at WikiProject Rosblofnari/Güstrow Castle. I have no doubt that this is temporary—the edit summary says "mv article into sandbox for audit"—but is this appropriate? Legal for DYK noms? Something we want to encourage? They're adding editing checklists at the top of the article itself. I realize they recently got hammered at WT:DYK for the Chad articles, but is this method of quality control compatible with DYK?

I thought if you wanted to fix an article, you put an Under construction template on the article and hashed things out on the talk page. This is apparently their new way of handling articles with issues; they recently moved Jiddat al-Harasis over to their wikiproject for review, and then moved it back when they'd finished it immediately before starting the move on the castle article. That took a bit over 26 hours; it's 34 hours and counting for Güstrow. I've just this minute dropped a note on Rosiestep's page, since she nominated the article, asking for a response from her, but how should this work going forward? Should I take this to WT:DYK to get discussion on the compatibility issue? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:53, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Da puck? This is... a headache and a half. Yeah, this is not kosher... I'm against a unilateral revert, but they should certainly not be doing this. I'd say a gentle reminder for now, then more if need be. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

"Happy Diwali!"

 * A very happy diwali to you too! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy Diwali too! (Though I know it as Deepavali) ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 08:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes; in Malayalam and in other South Indian languages, it is Deepavali. In Hindi and other North Indian languages, it is Diwali. Happy Diwali/Deepavali! J Kadavoor J e e 09:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think in Singapore the Indians there (mostly Tamil, if I'm not mistaken) would use Deepavali. Not sure what Indonesia would use, but the Indonesian Wikipedia has it at Deepavali. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, Tamil. Now I'm admiring the vibrant displays at Little India. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 09:54, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia... we all share similar culture and climates. :) J Kadavoor J e e 10:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Kurs pada awal zaman kemerdekaan
Tuan Woodrich yang sangat sy hormati, kalau dahulu 'kan 1 dolar pada tahun '48 itu harganya mencapai 2,6 gulden. Sy tahu kalo Djaoeh Dimata dibuat dgn dana sebanyak 130.000 gulden yg pada zaman itu harganya 50.000 USD. Klo dikurs pada tahun 2013, 130.000 gulden itu berapa harganya dalam Rupiah maupun Dolar Amerika Serikat? Ini penting kak, karna keterangan ini mau sy tambahkan ke artikel Djaoeh Dimata.

Sy baru menemukan website utk meng-kurs uang baik pada zaman dahulu maupun zaman sekarang, tapi sy tak tahu kak cara menggunakannya sbab salah satu website berbahasa Belanda, ini:
 * http://www.iisg.nl/hpw/calculate-nl.php
 * http://coinmill.com/NLG_calculator.html

Nah, atas bantuan kakak, sy berucap terima kasih. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Wah, itu sulit dihitung. Menurut link yang saudara kirim di sini, mungkin 10 kali lipat... tapi itu tidak mencerminkan kenyataan, sebab kemampuan uang untuk membeli barang itu tentu sudah lain. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Tapi, kedua website itu dipakai pada id:Technische Hoogeschool te Bandoeng. Sy punya alternatip lain, begini, bisakah kita memakai kurs thn '80-an sebagai patokan. Pada jaman pak Harto dulu, 1 dolar harganya itu 26 rupiah (sudah cukup utk membeli tempe 2 batang dan kangkung 1/2 ikat -kata ibu sy-) dan baru2 ini, sy melihat Bloomberg TV Indonesia harga dolar itu mencapai 11.300 -kalo dibulatkan. Bisa saja, kedua website itu benar dlm kurs. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 11:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sepertinya itu tidak bisa. Memang soal inflasi sulit dihitung kalau di Indonesia, dan saya (sebagai orang sastra dan bukan ekonomi) merasa kurang mampu menghitung, apalagi menentukan jumlah yang pasti. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Jadi, kedua situs itu gak bisa dijadikan patokan? Sebab, utk cerita pak Harto itu, sy mengambil ref. nya dari buku otobiografi beliau. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 11:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Itu masuk riset asli, menurut saya, jadi seharusnya tidak digunakan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Lha, kok bisa sy dituduh melakukan riset asli. Sy kan cuma mengambil perbandingan kurs jamannya pak Harto sama waktu jaman skrg, reformasi. Oh ya, sy juga mau berucap terima kasih, om Woodrich. Sebab, di pelajaran Bahasa Indonesia, nilai sy tuntas di KKM (Kriteria Ketuntasan Minimal) yakni 70. Dan nilai sy sendiri, 85 (yg dinilai dlm 5 aspek). Balik lagi ke pembicaraan semula, menurut sy org baru bisa dianggap melakukan riset asli kalo sy sendiri buat argumentasi, tapi nggak ada ref. yg ngedukung. Sy kan cuma buat perbandingan saja. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 12:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Untuk keperluan Wikipedia, saya kurang nyaman dengan perbandingan berdasarkan harga sembako dsb, karena terlalu mudah untuk mendapatkan kesalahan. Namun, kalau saudara tidak setuju, akan saya memberi petunjuk: untuk tahun 1948, keterangan pada buku Misbach yang berjudul Oh, Film... barangkali lebih berguna... tapi itu pun tahun 1950an. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Terima kasih atas keterangannya, kak. Tapi, sialnya sy tak punya buku Almarhum Misbach Yusa Biran. Klo tuan masih mau berbaik hati kpd sy, tlg-lah beta. Tlg kirimkan hasil scan hal. ttg. Djaoeh Dimata di buku Sejarah Film 1900-50. Jikalau ada kata2 yg kurang berkenan d hati, tlg dimanfaatkan. Sy, hanyalah murid kls. 3 SMP yg bodoh, yg punya 2 cita2 d dlm hati, apakah dia akan menjadi ahli botani atw sejarawan. Tlg dikirimkan kpd email sy. Tempo hari ada sy kirimkan kpd J.F. Bleak, ornitolog d Wikipedia. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Saudara mohon kirim email ke saya lewat "email this user" biar saya bisa kirim scan/foto halaman2 terkait. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

-- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:15, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Om, terima kasih atas kebenaran yg om berikan. Mudah2an, kuliah om tdk akan mendapatkan kesulitan yg berarti dan, mudah2an hasil tesis kakak dibukukan agar sy bisa baca dan lebih tahu seluk-beluk perfilman Indonesia. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 13:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Lie Kim Hok
Hey, congratulations on the Lie Kim Hok TFA! It was good to see the familiar face on the main page. And thanks for the pointer on film descriptions. I'm a newbie in that field. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was nice to have him on the MP (10k views too, which isn't bad... Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari was only 6k). No worries about the film articles; they are much needed, and those actresses are a pleasure to review. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me, too! Always nice to see your work up there. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks K. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Reopen or not?
Crisco, at User talk:BlueMoonset, the creator/nominator of a nomination that was closed a few days prior for lack of action has posted extensively. A fair amount is extraneous, but the gist of the second post is the request that the nomination be reopened. (There's also an assertion that the level of close paraphrasing we found is fine in academic publishing as long as the inline cites are present.) I think we've reopened on request in certain situations in the past, but I'm not remembered what the reasons were. If this is an appropriate thing to do, I'll reverse the rejection, but I wanted to check with someone who's been around longer first. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Re: close paraphrasing. Wikipedia is, in some cases, even stricter than academia. That's a fact of life, and we should accept it if we want to keep it free. Re: reopening: I'm of the school "too late, it's your own fault". Article isn't particularly lengthy or in-depth, so I don't see that as a reason to give a special remittance. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your take. I've decided to let the rejection stand for a number of reasons, including your points. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Seth MacFarlane
The photo has been changed, so if you would like to vote on that one, please do. Sincerly,  Blurred   Lines   15:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Indo people
What needs to be done about Indo People, if anything? Firstly, I'd like to fix that stupid info box arrangement with 100 photos. Or at least make it arrange better so that the info box doesn't span 1/2 the width of the article. Personally, i think a large number of info box photos are stupid, but I won't win that battle - as a minimum though they need to be better arranged. Did you get a change to review Kwauf's changes? cheers --Merbabu (talk) 20:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Have knocked back on number of images. The editor... well, let's just say he remains adamant that Indos don't exist. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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68th Academy Awards
Hi, I fixed everything you mentioned for Featured list candidates/68th Academy Awards/archive1.--Birdienest81 (talk) 02:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Fractional currency set FPC
I have re-nominated the set of United States Fractional currency as FPC. It was unopposed last time, but fell one vote short of promotion. Since you voted last time I wanted to ask if you would consider reviewing it one more time. Thanks-Godot13 (talk) 06:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)