User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 62

Paris bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics
I would like the subject page Paris bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics to be undeleted since the five candidates cities have now been announced. Since you deleted this page in the first place, can you do please do this or whom should I contact ? Hektor (talk) 11:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You are free to start anew. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I would like to retrieve the previous content. Hektor (talk) 21:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a grant total of four sentences. But fine, here you go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Hurricane Hazel TFA pull
Hey there Crisco. I wasn't exactly sure where to make this request so I figured your talk page would be the easiest place to do so. After a brief discussion with other members of WP:WPTC, we feel that Hurricane Hazel is not up to FA standards at the current time and would like it to be pulled from the TFA queue (currently scheduled for October 5). There's a major Canadian bias present (even with a sub-article to reduce its weight) and information relating to the United States is severely lacking. Thanks in advance! Regards, Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything preventing any necessary edits from being done by TFA date, which is still two weeks away, and the weight issues are not to the point that I consider the article disqualified from TFA. The current version of the article is substantially the same as the version promoted. There has been some extra material added, but not much. If you think that some of the Canadian content can be trimmed, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No one checked the article for comprehensiveness at the FAC. It skated through on the assumption that Maxim appropriately covered the topic after the considerable amount of time he spent working on it. But as I've stated, it's not FA-quality coverage. I didn't take part in the FAC at the time but I surely would have opposed it being promoted. It's just been something sitting in the back of the project's mind that no one has wanted to deal with since it got promoted. Five years later, we now have access to Newspapers.com which provides hundreds of news sources that were not readily available to us in 2010. Details for the United States, and to a lesser degree the Caribbean, are a bare minimum to cover the key points, but nowhere near comprehensive enough to meet FA standards. There's also a glaring lack of journal articles that are frequently produced for major tropical cyclone events and the recent reanalysis of the storm needs to be properly implemented (only the bare minimum updates were made to avoid misinformation). Whether or not we can do this is dependent upon interest, much the same as anything on Wikipedia. The article only got to where it is now because of Maxim's access to Canadian sources and personal interest in the topic. It's a lot of work to do simply to have the article stay on TFA and I don't believe it would be reflective of Wikipedia's best work, as TFA is meant to show. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not saying you should pull together a comprehensive review of the literature in two weeks. I'm saying that balance can be achieved in that period of time. This is far from, say, the glaring issues of articles listed at User:Dweller/Featured Articles that haven't been on Main Page. But I will ping Brianboulton and Dank to ask them to weigh in. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Most FAs of this age require some preparatory work before their TFA appearances, which is one reason why we give longer notice these days. We can't simply ignore these older articles when choosing TFAs, or we'd soon run out of usable material.  I concur with Chris; while this article has shortcomings, it does not fall into the "prohibited" category, and with a little application should be ready by 5 October. Brianboulton (talk) 10:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, fair enough. I'll do what I can to improve it and try to get the other members of WPTC to pitch in so it's more reflective of the higher quality content we wish to promote. Many thanks for your prompt replies. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks – your efforts will be much appreciated. Brianboulton (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

After closer review of the article by multiple editors, we've found that this article blatantly fails featured article criteria (namely 1b, 1c, and arguably 1a). Information does not match given sources and cannot be verified in multiple instances. We essentially have to rewrite the entire article and have it re-reviewed against FA standards... The met. history has already been entirely re-written, but that section is the easiest for us as most of the necessary information is easy to get to. Several of us simply don't have the time to dedicate to thoroughly researching this historic event. If the WP:FAR process wasn't so obnoxiously sluggish, I would force demote the article myself (multi-editor consensus that it is not FA status should override a multi-month process to demote something). But since that's not allowed, I can only reiterate how substandard the article quality is. I strongly urge you reconsider your stance in keeping this as a future TFA. (also ping ) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Link to the discussion, please? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We've mainly been discussing off-wiki since it's easier for us to collaborate in this fashion. Pinging, , , and to provide on-wiki comments. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I back CB with what he said. It appears very difficult, if not impossible, for us to improve it in time. This is beyond mere preparatory work, this is a bit daunting to achieve in time. There are plenty of other hurricane FA's to put in, if you're worried about finding a replacement (although I'm sure there are plenty of other non-weather related ones too!) - I agree though, I just didn't know how unprepared it was to be on the main page, and it doesn't represent Wikipedia's best work in its current form. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Concurring with the above. This is beyond the scope of restorative work on an older, decaying FA; the article is being completely redone at this point, which I feel is not reasonable course of action for a potential TFA candidate. The meteorological history in particular required a complete overhaul, as much of the information was outdated/inaccurate and not backed up by the sources given at the time. Given the vast amounts of revamping and new content being added, I even feel a FAR is in order.  Auree   ★ ★  02:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. And do you have a recommended article, perhaps? One of the same general age? We have a massive backlog of weather-related articles, and I want to get at least two through the pipeline in October. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have one of similar age and notability, but two of our best that have yet to be TFA are Hurricane Gert (1993) and Typhoon Omar (the latter of which was recently promoted). Since you're looking for two meteorology articles next month, I'd also suggest Hurricane Hattie for late-October (landfall was on October 31, but I'd assume something more Halloween-related would be preferable). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Omar's much too recently promoted. I can replace Hazel with Gert later. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rescheduled. If possible, could the Hurricane project have a look over the articles that passed in 2012 or earlier? I want to get through those before going to the newer ones. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

ITNC
Chris, perhaps you'd like to comment here? Sca (talk) 01:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election
Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 29 September. Yours, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:20, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK
Looks like it's behind again. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:46, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

File:NNC-US-1854-G$3-Indian Princess Head.jpg
Could you create File:NNC-US-1854-G$3-Indian Princess Head.jpg with. I couldn't do it because of a permission error. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly related to it being on the main page today?--Godot13 (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Kunto Bimo
Crisco, bisa nggak kamu terjemahin artikel ini ke en.wiki --Erik Fastman (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Saya sudah jarang sempat menulis. Apalagi rujukan dalam artikel itu masih kurang. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:21, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Panti Rapih pada jaman Sudirman
Crisco, bisa nggak Anda ganti gambar Panti Rapih di artikel Sudirman (yang ditampilkan keadaan pada zaman sekarang) dengan Panti Rapih zamannya Sudirman. Soalnya Panti Rapih-nya sendiri setahuku mengalami beberapa perubahan pada bagian bangunannya. Beda dengan bangunan macam museum, rumah tempat kelahiran, dlsb yang dipertahankan bentuk aslinya, sementara Panti Rapih sendiri merupakan rumah sakit. Saya yakin, pihak rumah sakitnya sendiri masih menyimpan foto Panti Rapih pada zaman dahulu. Tapi kalo enggak, apa nggak apa-apa tuh yang ditampilin dalam keadaan pada masa sekarang-nya --Erik Fastman (talk) 09:29, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Saudara sepertinya tidak lihat artikel Sudirman versi bahasa Inggris. Sekarang ada foto dari tahun 1950-an. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:32, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Sayers—Whose_Body,_UK_cover.jpg
There is VERY clearly a signature at the bottom of the man on the left's coat, which means that the claimed anonymous creator is nonsense, but a person who does not work with images keeps editing in a false license. Could you please delete this? Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:22, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh. It's at FFD already. Why not just make it fair use? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:34, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't find any collaboration this is actually the original cover. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * A (temporary) non-first edition cover is still better than no cover. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if this is my cock-up originally - I missed the signature entirely. It is, however, the first-edition cover (According to page 14 of Howard, David (April 2004). "The Lord Peter Wimsey Books". The Book and Magazine Collector (Diamond Publishing Group) (241). - SchroCat (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not just move it to a non-free image? While the copy on the list article would be have to go, it's still viable for the book article? - SchroCat (talk) 12:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Think A fair-use is fair enough. I partially got worried as (up until the last couple days) it was being used rather widely. Let's just switch it over to fair use.
 * Signatures are fairly hard to spot at thumbnail size. It's often best not to presume anonymous without checking, at a minimum, a decently-high res cover shot, the inside flaps, and back of the jacket. MAnd even then, it's sometimes known, e.g. a lot of the cover images on Kipling's works were done by his son. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

question, copyright
Hi Chris, is this image of Charles Crawford Davis from this page free? There is no copyright notices. I want to add it to his infobox. Publisher "fentonalumni.org" is associated with Fenton High School. The page says Davis was inducted into the school's hall of fame in 1996 – probably the year the image was published. Davis died in 1966 at the age of 73. The image looks like it is from 1950s. If the image is not free (or doubtful), may be I can upload it with a non-free use rational: historic image, subject no longer living, low resolution image, limited use in one infobox? Thanks in advance. Bammesk (talk) 00:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If it was probably published in 1996, it's definitely in-copyright in the US. I'd use it as fair use, if there's no free image of the subject available. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect transfer to Wikipedia from Commons
The image commons:File:Sobo 1909 260.png is correctly licensed, you may see the explanation I provided there. Neither is the copyright owned by the illustrators, nor would it matter if it was. The specific book was published in the United States and falls under the pre 1923-law. CFCF  💌 📧 00:01, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And the illustration itself was originally published in the German edition, hence meaning German copyright law applies on Commons. The minimal translation (from German to English) has no effect on the illustration. Furthermore, your closure was against Commons policy: commons:Commons:Deletion_policy — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Adam Cuerden or Nikkimaria, I've got a conference and can't follow up right now. Could you look at this? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Copyright does not work that way, no reliable source states anything such. CFCF   💌 📧 00:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Commons' licensing policies clearly state that an image must be free in both the US and its country of origin. The book (in German) and illustration were both first published in Germany; see the 1904 German edition. As such, Commons requires the German copyright to have expired before the illustration can be included. The English Wikipedia, meanwhile, accepts images that are only free in the US ("While Wikipedia prefers content that is free anywhere in the world, it accepts content that is free in the United States even if it may be under copyright in some other countries."). Hence the transfer of the file to the English Wikipedia. I'm not disputing that the file is free in the US. However, unless both illustrators died in 1944 or earlier (quite possible, but not yet confirmed) it is not free in Germany - and thus, not free enough for Commons. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Norse-American medal
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Hurricane articles, and a favor
Chris, Auree did a good job with the TFA summary I gave her on Hurricane Gert. At the moment, she's only interested in WP:TROP articles. Can you give me at least a guess which ones might be hitting TFA sooner rather than later, so I can see how she does with a few more? - Dank (push to talk) 15:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Unrelated: the months were all wrong on the TFA footers. I've fixed them through the 12th. - Dank (push to talk) 23:05, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't have any tropical storm articles in mind right now. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Wrong month
You're still adding at the bottom of TFAs, Chris. I'll fix them. - Dank (push to talk) 23:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, we got them all, thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 23:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! A big congratulations to you! I remember the rush of getting my own self-photographed FPs; it felt as euphoric as when I finished my first FA. As time passes and you get more practice, it'll get easier. My first few nominations had a lot of trouble (Sambisari went through three nominations, and the National Press Monument went through two nominations and needed an edit by Diliff to pass), but as I became more familiar with the workings of the camera and various techniques (and, admittedly, invested in a much nicer (if long) lens) things became simpler, and the quality became even better. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lexington-Concord Sesquicentennial half dollar
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

How Are You So Prolific?
I accidentally came across your profile, and you are very prolific. How so? NarSakSasLee (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Time and drive, I guess. A bit of free time, over a long period, and the will to write. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:14, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

How are you?
How's the haze where you are? Sca (talk) 13:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hasn't reached this far south. I wouldn't want to be in Sumatra or Borneo right now though. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Archive me, big boy!
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:24, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Armbrust The Homunculus 21:25, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

What do you think of these?
Do you think these are worth putting up at FPC: File:Mount Chiquita by RO.jpg; File:Trail Ridge Road and Longs Peak by RO.jpg? RO (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * They strike me as very soft. What f/ number are you using? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Those were at f/7.1; ISO 100. RO (talk)  23:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Odd. I have no idea why there is so little detail, especially after downsampling. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:56, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The area in these pic is epic though. I mean, you almost have to have been there to realize how much land is in each picture. Can you see the full-size bus on Trail Ridge Road (the highest through-road in the US) directly under Longs Peak? RO (talk)  23:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. Very epic. The technical quality would be an issue. I guess it could be diffraction from the heat of the noon-day sun... that would probably explain some of it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:34, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism and edit summaries
Hi Chris-

I rolled back some edits here and wondered if it would be appropriate for someone to remove the edit summaries as well. Thanks.--Godot13 (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks.--Godot13 (talk) 07:31, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Terjemah
Crisco, kalimat ini diterjemahinnya gimana sih: "The multiple winners, also found in the Best Film and Best Leading Actress categories, was controversial; film critics considered Lewat Djam Malam by far the better film and suggested that Djamaluddin Malik's funding of the festival had influenced Tarmina‍‍ '​‍s win" --Erik Fastman (talk) 04:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Kalau disuruh menerjemahkan secara persis sama, saya juga kesulitan. Mungkin "Adanya dua pemenang dalam kategori ini, serta Film Terbaik dan Pemeran Utama Wanita Terbaik, ternyata kontroversial; para kritikus film beranggapan bahwa film Lewat Djam Malam jauh lebih bermutu, dan berpendapat bahwa peran Djamaluddin Malik sebagai pendana festival film tersebut telah mempengaruhi juri." — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Maria of Bosnia
Chris, can I ask you to please take a look at this one? It's now the oldest DYK nomination, and it's been stalled for quite some time. The issue seems to be that it currently relies on a single source (and has been tagged); it was originally approved, and then halted for this reason. Unfortunately, the nominator hasn't been editing for nearly a month, but if this should be okay even given the sourcing, then that shouldn't matter. Thank you for any help you can give. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Chris, I wasn't sure whether you'd seen that your query there has been answered. Thanks again for taking a look at it. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you satisfied with the response? Is the single source okay? I was hoping you could settle this once and for all. If not, please let me know. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Football at the 2011 Military World Games
Hello, I gives you a request about the page Football at the 2011 Military World Games that was deleted in 2014 (here). This competition represented one of many events of the 2011 Military World Games. It is a part of the Military World Games and also of the World Military Cup, both organised by the International Military Sports Council. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 08:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless you are able to address the reasons for deletion, there is no point in recreating the article. Have you been able to find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a link about the official website of the CISM (International Military Sports Council), we can see that this fifth edition of the MW Games is the 43rd edition of the MW Cup for men and the 7th edition for women. And these are the links of the tournament results for men and for women according to the Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation official website. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Given that the first link is to the organising body, and the second pair to a strictly statistical website offering no context of the event, you have not satisfied the request for "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources". Harrias talk 20:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, these official websites are notable, the competition exist really, here the official website of the 2015 Military World Games and we can see in this site the football event. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read and understand our policies on sourcing (WP:RS) and notability (WP:N). Although individual iterations of the MW Cup may be notable, events in each individual iteration do not appear to be anywhere near passing the bar for notability, for lack of significant coverage "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources". Very few sporting events reach the level of coverage that individual events cross the bar. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * M. Chris Woodrich, yes I understand your meanining and notability (WP:N) meaning. However this competition is realy great and famouse around the world, U can found many sources only in Google. I know that it was deleted by a vote but human sometimes can make mistakes. Please I hope that u take time to learn about it. Regards --Fayçal.09 (talk) 00:50, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Read this link please. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 01:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You say you understand, but you don't. Nobody is questioning the notability of the competition, and that's not what was deleted. The deleted article was Football at the 2011 Military World Games, and none of your sources are both independent and go into detail about the event itself. Notability is not inherited. Just because the competition is notable doesn't mean that all people and events related to it are. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok maybe because my english is not very good but if I understand, you deleted the article because one of two reasons:
 * If you mean that the football event is not notable: This event is a part of two notable competitions, MW Cup since 1946 & MW Games (football events) since 1995. When I created the page Football at the 2011 Military World Games there was at this time an official website of the competition rio2011.mil.br with football and all events however it was closed now.
 * If you mean football event is notable but the article page no. This page gives global information of the football tournaments and serves as a link of the two football events (men and women) in the page of the 2011 MWG.--Fayçal.09 (talk) 13:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You have not understood what I've stated. You need multiple reliable, independent sources to show the notability of the event at the 2011 games in order to create an article on football at the 2011 games. That it is part of a notable subject does not, in and of itself, mean that it is notable. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:24, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanations and I respect your meaning. In my opinion, I gives many external links that are notable. I think anyone can have his personnel opinion, the important is the respect between personnes who debate. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not say "external links". I said "independent sources", meaning those sources which are independent of the event and/or organization. This you have not provided. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * These are some independent links, Xinhua News, Global Ecco. Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 07:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/October 27, 2015
Hey Chris, Nick-D wrote this one, and he's traveling, with intermittent internet access, until November. I probably need his input on this one; he and I sometimes have different opinions on these things. I've left a note on his talk page ... if he can work on it before the 27th, we should be fine, but if not, it would probably be better to pull it. - Dank (push to talk) 17:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Ian Rose would also be able to help summarize the lead in a pinch... perhaps. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * He's traveling too, but that works for me. - Dank (push to talk) 00:11, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops, now it doesn't work for me. Please see User talk:Nick-D. - Dank (push to talk) 19:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Digestive system diagram
Can you please have a look here...

Based on comments in a discussion on my talk page, I'm going to step back. FP rules are being reworded...--Godot13 (talk) 20:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I put the Featured picture criteria rules back to what they were before. Here is what they said before: Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality. I don't know how that can be any clearer to you,, if you are still confused about SVG, what are you confused about? How can we please help to explain this to you? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I need a vacation...--Godot13 (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tried to offer a path for us to both move forward amicably on this. :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:25, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And moving forward means the removal of my comments from the nomination to a talk page, and making edits to my talk page... Last comment here on this issue (sorry Chris)--Godot13 (talk) 21:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes unfortunately the page was getting bogged down and sidetracked. I've often observed this results in no one wanting to post there again. So unfortunately a mere "comment" can sometimes result in the entire page getting stagnated. As for your user talk page, feel free to edit it however you wish, of course,, but I was doing my best to make a gesture of good faith, by removing and striking my own comments that you felt were in appropriate. Once again, , I sincerely apologize if I gave you the mistaken impression of rudeness or condescension. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Update: I tried to make an attempt at good faith, by: (1) striking my own comments with strike-through that were seen by as rude or condescending, (2) reducing the size of an image on the page that I placed there as an example of SVG Vector Graphic sizing, and (3) offering a way to move forward with WP:Wikilove and a Cup of tea to . Unfortunately, all of these attempts at good faith on my part were summarily reverted, by, at DIFF. I'm really trying here, by attempting to make three (3) good faith gestures, but, unfortunately, they're not being received at this time by the user. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:50, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * K, a few points:
 * SVGs do not have a fixed minimum size.
 * Changes to rules need to be done after discussion, not in the heat of the moment. It helps avoid messes like this.
 * I must be missing something, as the discussion seems awfully short on the talk page. In any case, things should not have been moved until both sides had had their say; if discussion is ongoing, it suggests that there is an attempt to smother or hide the discussion. Yes, lengthy discussions can bog down a nomination, but it's better to resolve them first rather than just brush them aside.
 * Cirt, if Godot has expressed that he doesn't want you to edit his talk page right now (or implied, as the case here) adding Wikilove does not defuse the situation. He's clearly said here that he wants to take a step back; by editing the talk page you appear to be trying to draw him back in. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. Just note I wasn't the one that changed the rules, thanks. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I know you weren't, hence why that comment wasn't addressed specifically at you. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK request
Chris, you were my DYK mentor, and I've run into something that I think is over my head, or perhaps needs the wisdom of an experienced admin.

There have been tensions between LavaBaron and I ever since I wrote about issues with his first set of GA reviews—I was banned from his talk page for 30 days at one point—and they boiled over on the GAN talk page.

About 24 hours ago, I posted to his nomination of Template:Did you know nominations/Mercados Libres Campesinos, pointing out that the supplied QPQ review had not mentioned a number of important criteria, and it needed to do so. Instead of taking the one minute to do so, he objected strenuously to my intervention. Things escalated from there, and he withdrew the nomination rather than spend a minute to add the missing review criteria.

What I find concerning is that immediately thereafter, LavaBaron embarked on six more DYK reviews in under half an hour between 00:58 and 01:25, the latter five of which basically just said "Meets all criteria required for DYK." (The first was rightfully rejected because the nomination was submitted three weeks after it was moved to mainspace). One more such review was made at 04:43.

Can you please look these over? For all I know, all of these articles could have been read in full, size and history and hook sources (and other sources) checked, and a full check for close paraphrasing and copyvio done as well. I’m impressed that it might all have been done on a mobile phone. But it seems like an awful lot in a very short period, and I think someone should check. He even asked me to ask for assistance from a seasoned editor, though perhaps not for this purpose. Under the circumstances, however, I think the person checking should not be me if at all possible.

Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to have the time to go into that much detail, but I agree it is highly suspicious to review six articles in such a short period of time. Even if they are short, checking for possible copyright violations can take a while. Have you tried the DYK talk page? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:03, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Crisco, when there were issues I thought serious at GA, I tried just that on the GAN talk page, and the silence was deafening. Last night was a highly unpleasant and stressful reminder, and I'm not willing to go through that kind of firestorm again, even for DYK, which is where the bulk of my Wikipedia effort is given. It's not worth the abuse and inevitable cries of "vendetta". If you don't have the time today, might you tomorrow or the next day, or can you suggest a DYK denizen with similar gravitas who might? So many of the other people I might have asked have left DYK over the past couple of years. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I can't think of what to do. I'm doing my doctorate program now, and between that and the new baby my on-Wiki time is severely limited. I don't even know who's still active at DYK. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on both, which are both far more important in the scheme of things. Thanks for responding despite how busy you must be with both. I'm getting the impression that you don't feel anything like the sense of urgency I have, so maybe I ought to drop it and take a step back from DYK myself. Even if I stay, I'll stop asking you to look at individual DYK noms, since your time online is so short. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be best to step back, perhaps. My own drive to edit Wikipedia isn't what it used to be. Part of it is, of course, because I'm writing similar (though more detailed) things non-stop as course work. Part of it being the seemingly increased hostility in the community... — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * To my surprise, someone noticed, and more detail requested on all the reviews. It's a relief to know I don't need to worry about it, because some part of me was going to. It has felt more toxic around here in general, though there are plenty of interested, eager people still to be found. Thanks for being willing to listen. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Copyright query...
Hi Chris- WWII paper currency, 1943, printed in Tahiti (French territory), for use in French Oceania, bearing an official-looking over-stamped seal which reads "service du tresor" and/or "Tresor Colonial" and denominated in French francs. Does this qualify as PD under Money-FR? Thanks in advance.--Godot13 (talk) 02:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As Tahiti is still a French territory, I'd assume that's correct. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello there! I can understand your busy schedule here and it's so freaking weird that I have posted this request on many talk pages only to be rejected every time. Could you look at this article and give it a copy-edit (you have previously copy-edited a few lists of mine)? Again, I know that you're busy but it won't take more than perhaps 20 minutes as it is not a very long article. Thanks for your time. --  Frankie talk 14:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Sultanate of Singora
I see you supported this one at FAC. The sourcing looks good, but it tells me very little actually about the Sultanate itself and seems to be padded out a lot with big quotes and random facts. Now I appreciate that coverage for 1600s in that area might not be great, but it tells me zilch about the actual administrative functions and governance, life in the city, or the power it had, components which I think are vital in articles on a Sultanate. Not even a list of sultans for quick reference. I ask you as Singora is likely to revert my messages and it's nearer your neck of the woods, but can you clarify as to whether or not you think there is anything further available like that on it? You might also want to check it's history and Singora's revert for "vandalism" despite adding distance converters which are advised.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The region is not a strong point of mine. Agree that more information would be nice, but I accept that in certain cases that isn't always possible. Whether or not this is such a case is something I don't know. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Full Service (book)
Almost forgot, I recommend that you come over there. I started the RfC. --George Ho (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

File:Full Service book cover.jpg
I replaced this image with the first hardcover edition, found in Amazon. Shall I request deletion? --George Ho (talk) 04:42, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the file. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding file renaming
Hi Chris, I have uploaded a pic of without naming the file with scientific name. I have now got the name, can you rename it with the scientific name and date (18-10-2015), if you have renaming rights on commons. Thanks in advance! Nikhil (talk) 01:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Adolfo Müller-Ury
Chris, I was reading the article on Adolfo Müller-Ury. The first line of the article says he was known for his paintings of roses and his still lifes, so I was wondering why there were no images of those types of paintings in the article. Also, there's an interesting tag at the beginning of the article that's been there for a year. Corinne (talk) 02:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the journal article's author was apparently the major contributor to the article. I don't quite have time to go looking for paintings. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Peer review/Craig Kieswetter/archive1‎
Hi Chris, I know you're a bit too busy to complete a proper peer review at the moment, but I wondered if you would have a little time to provide an image review for me prior to an FA? I'm primarily concerned with the final image, which I've uploaded as fair-use. Thanks for anything you can do! Harrias talk 19:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Commented. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:39, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Deletion Request on Commons.
A file you supported as a Featured Picture on enwiki is being discussed for deletion on Commons, as a copyright violation. Please see c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Solar and Heliospheric Observatory images. Thanks. Revent talk 02:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

?

 * I have a new bunch of nice google files on some very good paintings. Are you in an uploading - mood? Hafspajen (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! RL has me really swamped right now, so I can't, but Yann showed me a tool on Commons that should be easy for you or someone else to use. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hafs- I'd be interested in learning how to upload google files and would be happy to help...--Godot13 (talk) 07:45, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This tool, Godot13. Looks to be simple to use. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Hafs, let me know...--Godot13 (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * - I am very poor at uploading... but I have many ideas. We used to upload many together with Chris, and then split, you like this, I take that and so on. I am no good at all with uploads, I need help. Where shall I put those, on your common page? Need some time to gather them all. Hafspajen (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * - I've never used this tool (or any tool other than Upload wizard). Why don't you give me 2-3 links to images so that I can get familiar with the upload process while you come up with more. I have no problem making a separate gallery page either in Commons or Wikipedia for any images you provide the link and you can use them as you see fit. Perhaps, at some point, if there is something with money depicted, or a portrait depicted on some obsolete currency, we can collaborate on something. Otherwise you work with any/all the files you want. I will leave the verification/judgement of the image's proper color and tone in your hands. Why don't you leave the first 2-3 links on my talk page and after I create a gallery we can set up a way to leave links there.--Godot13 (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am happy tho share anything WITHOUT money, too... :) Hafspajen (talk) 16:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha! Understood...--Godot13 (talk) 16:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey there!! :) Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, that context never even occurred to me until your edit note...-Godot13 (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fpptt. Gug. Then it is probably mea culpa. Louella Lander (talk) 15:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Who, what, how?
Can you tell me what this whole website is about: ? And why does it have an entire section on me and you? Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a website belonging to the troll Coat of Many Colors. Best to just ignore that — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Isn't that C1cada's sock? Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Among many, many, many others. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Question...
I am a novice in the PD tags of the art world. If a work of art was completed in Japan in 1915 (PD-Japan is 50 years), the artist died in 1949 (as such it is 3 years short of being covered by PD-1996), does PD-1923 supersede or get quashed? Many thanks in advance.--Godot13 (talk) 19:31, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * PD-1923 applies in the US for works published worldwide, so the URAA wouldn't have had an effect. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent, many thanks...--Godot13 (talk) 00:31, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's why a lot of those Javanese-language books in my library are uploaded locally, BTW. Same principle. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Curious
For this one Today's featured article/October 24, 2015 --

Was there a particular WP:TFAR discussion or nomination -- or was it chosen arbitrarily ?

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It was selected by me in my position as TFA coordinator for both the anniversary of the fire and as we had not had a crime article in a long time. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks for the clarification ! :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:53, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/The boot is on the other foot
An alt images was added to the nomination. Could you check it, and modify your !vote according your preference. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:07, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

TFA

 * Well done Crisco: congratulations, and thanks for making us all look better. Drmies (talk) 17:28, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:39, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I second that. Thanks for yet another one.  —  AjaxSmack   01:26, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Use of alt text in photo of Oerip Soemohardjo
A primary purpose of alt text is to benefit low-vision users who may be reading this encyclopedia with the help of screen readers. Because of this, text should be evaluated in terms of their listening qualities and not merely in terms of their spelling consistency or adherence to grammatical convention. In the provided alt text, I used the Perfected Spelling System of the article subject's name because "Oerip Soemohardjo" is pronounced very poorly by my screen reader, whereas it has no issues with pronouncing "Urip Sumoharjo."

I may be wrong as to which has the better pronunciation, of course, since I do not speak Indonesian. Since you are fluent in the language, perhaps you could compare the two pronunciations using a screen reader? ChromeVox is available as a free installation for Chrome. Thanks!
 * Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 09:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I know exactly what alt text is used for. That the software does not recognize the van Ophuijsen spelling system is a shortcoming in the software's Indonesian-language program, not in the article. We could tag the text with the Indonesian template, but if the software doesn't recognize the spelling system used it won't help. Furthermore, your reasoning would apply to the article's body as well; I think we can both agree it would be poor form to go against the common name.
 * What I'd like to see is a template that sends one form to screen readers and another to rollover text / regular text. If screenreaders saw "Urip Sumoharjo" and editors/readers saw "Oerip Soemohardjo", it would deal with both of our objections. Sadly, I'm not familiar enough with template coding to know if that's even feasible. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, sorry for the late reply Stigmatella aurantiaca; I'm currently in Surakarta for a conference and the hotel they put me in has terrible wi-fi. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand your point of view. Perhaps in a few years, advances in AI applied to text-to-speech software may make it possible for screen readers to automatically recognize different languages, making our differences in opinion a moot point. Alternatively, screen readers such as ChromeVox and FireVox seem to be Wikipedia-aware. I'll see about making a feature request that they recognize the IPA pronunciation guides that are found at the heads of many articles. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 01:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. I was thinking of something simpler, like, which would be rendered in text as Oerip Soemohardjo and by screen readers as Urip Sumoharjo (or even the IPA) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:44, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Following along your train of thought, it could be something that translates into an HTML directive that shows up in the page source, maybe as a span pseudo-class. Then it wouldn't be Wikipedia-specific, but could be something that could apply to all web pages. For example, &lt;span class="lorumipsem _Oerip _Urip _Soemohardjo _Sumoharjo _Soedirman _Sudirman"&gt; text in which these pronunciations are to be effective &lt;/span&gt; I need to do some research on to make sure whether something like that constitutes valid HTML/CSS before putting together a proposal, then will have to figure out how to coordinate the efforts of multiple browser developers. The best thing maybe would be to start with the American Foundation for the Blind. You've given me some work to do. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 09:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Underwater images
Hi, Crisco - I was wondering if there is a way we can possibly resolve the dilemma associated with the critiques of underwater photography? I believe there should be a slightly different method for judging them because of the circumstances involved in shooting under such extreme conditions vs the expectations we have when judging land-based photography. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Atsme 📞📧 12:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you opened a discussion anywhere? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, not sure where I should open one. I'm open to suggestions.  I did look for a project that focused on underwater photography or even scuba diving, but didn't find anything. Atsme 📞📧 06:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

TFA
I am away from Wikipedia until next Sunday (8 December). I have scheduled up to 20th, so we are up with the game. If any problems or queries meantime arise that you'd rather leave to me, could you leave a note on my talk, so that I can pick them up on my return? There is a new editor trying to add The Story of Miss Moppett to the requests page, and I have advised her to seek help with the procedure. Brianboulton (talk) 08:31, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Today's featured article/requests/The Story of Miss Moppet needs to be closed and filed. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 09:14, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Brianboulton, did you mean 8 November? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your varied and admirable contributions to Wikipedia
Crisco 1492,

I thought, instead of wikilove, I'd leave you with this comment here.

I just wanted to say thank you for your varied and admirable contributions to Wikipedia.

You are a role model for me.

Your professionalism is inspiring.

You've shown through your example how I can try to better myself, both in my Quality improvement efforts to Wikipedia, and in my interactions with other editors along the Quality improvement process, itself.

I hope I can model myself after your example, and over time, grow and improve both in my efforts to contribute to Quality improvement on the site, and in my professionalism collaborating with the community.

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 08:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Seconding ! &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 09:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, glad you agree with me on above. :) Most appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both. Apologies for the late reply. I've been swamped with work these past few months. Aside from translating the interviews from an enormous research project, I ended up translating two and a half books for the Frankfurt Book Fair last October and have been working on my Ph.D. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow. Yowza. Totally understood. Got a few friends over time who've worked on their Ph.D.'s. Great job, and good luck to you, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:03, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Indonesia
Hi Chris, Heading out to Indonesia on the 15th, any tips on learning Bahasa? Hope all is well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 18:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Depends on how long you're going there. Personally, I started with a guidebook and a dictionary and several manga (in Indonesian), and tried to use only Indonesian after the first month or so. If you're only here for a couple days, a guidebook would be fine. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd guess minimum 8 weeks. Maximum 8 months per year for a few years. I'll grab a guidebook before I leave. And check the shops for some magazines or books to read while I'm there. --kelapstick(on the run)
 * If you're gonna be here for that long, I'd recommend some popular media as well (films with subtitles, etc.). Helped me immensely. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

National Hero of Indonesia
Crisco, pada artikel National Hero of Indonesia, tokoh-tokoh yang diangkat pada tahun 2014 & 2015 belum dimasukkin tuh:
 * http://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2014/11/06/besok-presiden-jokowi-beri-gelar-pahlawan-kepada-empat-tokoh-ini
 * http://cnnindonesia.com/nasional/20151105124500-20-89659/jokowi-anugerahkan-gelar-pahlawan-nasional-ke-lima-tokoh/

--Erik Fastman (talk) 08:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Memang belum sempat. Orang yang lagi kuliah S3, mana mungkin sempat mengupdate semua itu — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:33, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Kalo udah lulus S3 apakah Crisco masih ingin bikin FA lagi ? Kalo bisa nanti bikin FA-nya dibanyakin tentang Pahlawan Nasional-nya ya, kalo bisa tolong kembangin tentang Hamengkubuwono IX ya --Erik Fastman (talk) 12:59, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Kalau sudah lulus S3, sudah barang tentu waktunya banyak disita untuk menjadi dosen, kan? Saya memang hendak menulis tentang HB IX (dan Ki Hadjar) tapi belum sempat dari dulu. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:32, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Apulia
Chris, if you have time, would you look at the image just added to Apulia with this edit: (caption changed to English in the subsequent edit). I think the addition of the image was done in good faith, but I wonder whether the image meets my admittedly vague understanding of Wikipedia standards for article images. I'll leave it to you to decide whether to leave it there or remove it. Corinne (talk) 19:56, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd remove it. That article already has too many images, and the quality of that new one is... — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Check

 * Discussion. Hafspajen (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion...
Without doing any kind of a detailed review or read-through, does this seem to be in good enough shape for me to take to FLC?--Godot13 (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You may be asked to give a longer lead, but otherwise it looks good. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, and thanks for the speedy look...-Godot13 (talk) 00:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you

 * It's five o'clock somewhere (somewhere over Spain, I should think). :) Thanks — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:24, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Request Edits
Do you have time to take a look at a few? Some of them are about two months old. David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 05:04, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, no time. Doctorate program is driving me nuts. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

File:Galina Vishnevskaya edit 2.jpg
Could you delete the locally uploaded file? Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 22:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Request revdelete or suppression
or whatever the term in favor is... here based on this thread. Drawing connection between numismatic work and photographic work (name) that I'd just assume not have connected in the thread... (help from any admin watching would also be appreciated)...--Godot13 (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Godot13, I don't see any part of Revision deletion policy which that falls under. WP:OUTING has an exception for information revealed on-wiki by the person in question. Sorry. I'd ask RO to avoid connecting your own photography to the numismatics work (I agree, it's not pertinent). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh... Based on your read of the thread, is this an AN/I issue? I have always tried to stay clear based on personal/professional vibes, but I have never had anyone on wiki question my ethics and assume this level of bad faith.--Godot13 (talk) 00:23, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Might be worth it, if you can bear the level of bad faith inherent to any ANI report. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:30, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

TFA
November is just about done and dusted; there is an issue with the selection of 25 November which is the subject of an AfD. I'm watching this, and will replace if/when necessary. Support pages are all up to date. I'm a bit concerned at the dearth of TFARs; two of the four present requests are mine, and another is unlikely to run. We need people to start nominating again. Best of luck for December. Brianboulton (talk) 13:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Ready to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Brian and Chris, I think probably nothing is going to happen with the 25th. No significant edits have been made to the article recently, and few people from CRICKET have shown up at the AfD, so what looked to me at first like a request that might represent the consensus of the wikiproject isn't really looking like that now. I'll wait a few more days, and if nothing changes, I'll change my vote to "keep" "neutral". - Dank (push to talk) 16:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music 39 (N.Z. series)
Ages ago you closed Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music 39 (N.Z. series). It has been recreated multiple times by IPs over a period of time. Might you consider salting it? Stuartyeates (talk) 00:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. Redirect protected. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Defining consensus
Hi, let's talk about different types of consensus. As I see it:
 * Consensus generally means at least a strong plurality of votes if 3 or more options are available.
 * In a case where there are 2 options and there are equal votes for each, that is a situation of "no consensus" rather than "consensus against" a proposal.
 * Consensus generally should not be rushed, particularly when there are preset standard time limits for discussion to happen, unless there is a SNOW close or a a withdrawal.
 * Comments? --Pine✉ 16:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, besides the fact that WP:CONSENSUS does not define a consensus on Wikipedia as "a strong plurality of votes" (and in fact excludes vote counting), the fact that there were not equal votes for each after I voted (or before, if we exclude the nominator like AFD does in determining a snow keep), and the fact that I did not say we should rush the close (did I say "Speedy close"? No.)? How about the fact that there were another four oppose votes added afterwards?
 * That an explicit consensus at a certain time does not appear to lean one way or another (not saying this was one, but there are cases where this happens) does not mean there is no consensus otherwise. This has been made explicit with the AFD project at Articles for deletion/Common outcomes; although it's not binding, it clearly states that consensus has generally been to keep or delete certain classes of articles. With FPC, although we haven't written anything down, you and I have both gone through enough nominations to know what tends to succeed and what tends to fail, for what a 1500px*1500px may still be considered too small, and for what it'll be accepted; we know what this "unwritten consensus" is. That consensus can change is undeniable, and nominations which test previous consensus are important. However, that does not mean one should be berated for pointing out what this unwritten consensus has been, nor should one automatically assume that just because one is ready to change this consensus others are too. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that we are talking past each other. I'll leave it at that, since I don't wish this to become a personal dispute. TTYL, --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 00:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Climate Zones of Argentina map image
Chris, I wonder if you can help at Graphics Lab/Map workshop. The reason I'm following this is because I've been copy-editing the article Climate of Argentina, and there are actually two maps at the Map workshop that have needed work; the other one, just above this one, is in good shape, but there seems to be a problem with this image. Corinne (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not that familiar with maps. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you help?
I have no idea if you even know what to do, but maybe you could at least point me in the right direction. I'm blocked at MediaWiki because I was accidentally uploading images there instead of at Commons using Communist. I assumed I'd be unblocked after I fixed my settings, but it's been since May now and I'm still completely blocked there—including access to my own talk page, so I have no idea how to request an unblock. At Commons I was talking to the user who blocked me, but they simply stopped communicating. I can't use OAuth (whatever it is) to use connected apps as long as I'm blocked at MediaWiki. Do you know what I can do? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Now that's a pickle! Sadly I have no idea what the standard procedure is. Perhaps you could contact another person who is an admin at MediaWiki? Contact them on Wikipedia or whatever...? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you tried contacting who applied the indef? From what I can see on Commons, you discussed it with, who gave you the short-term block. <b style="color:#00cc33">Harrias</b> talk 09:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed the block on mw, sorry we generally limit indefs there for spambots..thanks for the point regarding Oauth, will keep that in mind..just avoid adding images on mediawiki which isn't part of their scope...-- Stemoc 09:35, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Is it not possible to block users while leaving their talk-page access unblocked, like at wp? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Main page image DYK
Hi Chris- This is currently on the main page as a DYK illustration. Is there any chance you could add the full image link under alternate versions? Otherwise I’ll do it once it’s off the main page… Thanks.--Godot13 (talk) 00:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't say I understand the question. You mean, to link the crop so that it goes to the full image? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, no (I don't think that would be quite right)... Simply to add the whole image file to the commons crop file as an alternate version, so if anyone wants to see the whole image while looking at the crop (not a css crop) there is a link to it. Definitely not talking about switching what is linked to from the main page... Does that make sense?-- Godot13 (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, got it. I wouldn't be able to do that, as I'm not an admin on Commons. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Toledo War
Thoughts on saving that for April Fools? We've nominated it for that date before, and a humorous, but accurate, blurb has been written for just that occasion. The absurdity of a essentially bloodless war between two states, and it as the origins of a long-running collegiate athletic rivalry make it a good option for AFD. Barring that, its connections to the Michigan–Ohio State football rivalry would also suggest it would be a good option to run one year the day of The Game (aka when the University of Michigan and Ohio State play football on the Saturday after American Thanksgiving.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, just some thoughts, nothing more, nothing less.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the history of this one, having suggested it once or twice before for April Fools Day. The article is almost a decade old, and rather than risk a third "not scheduled", I figured it best to run the article on a date relevant to the subject. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:42, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Thoughts appreciated
Hi, I'm a bit wary of being accused of canvassing here but I really could use some other opinions regarding the citation issue currently being discussed by myself and on the FAC page for Walter Whitehead. I don't think you and I have had many dealings in the past but I know you to have a lot of experience of FAC, hence this note. You might even be able to provide some examples of existing FAs that illustrate best practice as currently defined. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 14:01, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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thumbnail|A naked men for you
 * Finally found this... it's 's article, now it can be FP too... Will you upload please? Hafspajen (talk) 17:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You complained about why only naked woman are in paintings, here one - a self-portrait, too... Hafspajen (talk) 17:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not in an article yet though. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * NOT YET. if ANYTHING, at least this https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/view-from-stalheim/IQHv7VP2qJpK8Q would be a great favour to upload.. We were planning this with Yngvadottir for quite a while. Now when they returned, it would be nice to cerebrate a bit... Hafspajen (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

POTD swap
What do you think about swapping POTD/2015-12-10 and POTD/2015-12-09? McKayla Maroney was born on December 9, 1995. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:51, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Done — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

TFAR drying up
We have had very few nominations in the last few weeks. Any thoughts as to how we can revive interest? Brianboulton (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps people are busy in the lead-up to the holidays? Bencherlite, how were things usually at TFAR in December when you were handling TFA? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * After we lost the bot that used to do it, I tried to leave a congratulations / thank you message after most successful FA nominations (I won't claim I caught every one, but I tried - you two may remember getting "oh no not you again, you know where TFAR is when you need it" messages from me). That kept TFAR and also WP:TFARP in the minds of nominators and their talk page stalkers.  Does this still happen?  This shows that there were seven open nominations on the page this time last year, incidentally. BencherliteTalk 23:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Any chance of an image review?
Featured article candidates/Bessie Braddock/archive1, if possible. Thanks anyway, Brianboulton (talk) 23:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2015-12-08
It looks like the protected version of this image needs image-maping... so I think I will better leave that to you. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 18:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean Template:POTD/2015-12-07? I'll get it later. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/December 20, 2015
I've no problem with The Wrestlers running, but if you haven't already it might be worth running it by Brianboulton while the date is still far enough in the future that it won't cause hassle if it needs to be rescheduled. In the recent past he's expressed (fairly strongly) the view that WP:FANMP is being burned-off too quickly proportionate to other FA categories, and IIRC has vetoed painting nominations at TFAR on these grounds. In the absence of any particularly compelling reason to run this one it may be worth holding it back if running it is going to cause ructions. (As regards early 19th-century English painting, there's no particular risk of them running out soon—The Dawn of Love, The World Before the Flood, Musidora and the splendidly-named Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed are all lined up waiting their turn at FAC from the Etty series, and if I get round to writing them there are five more Ettys and quite a few Watts and Moore articles to follow—but I'm a little reluctant to see Regency paintings become the new hurricanes and mushrooms.) &#8209; Iridescent 21:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify: the voluntary embargo on painting nominations in the final months of this year has had its effect, and has brought the number of TFAs in that category to a reasonable proportion for the year. So we'll be more than happy to see nominations from this point on, the more so if new promotions continue to replenish the stock, hopefully spread at reasonable intervals through the coming year. Brianboulton (talk) 22:54, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Precisely. I scheduled the painting because I saw that we had twelve art articles, including numerous Ettys. When we were down to five-six articles, the voluntary embargo made sense. Now that we're up to a reasonable number, we can start rescheduling one every couple of months (at most). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
On behalf of the Military history WikiProject's Coordinators, we would like to extend an invitation to nominate deserving editors for the 2015 Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards. The nomination period will run from 7 December to 23:59 13 December, with the election phase running from 14 December to 23:59 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

terjemahan
Crisco, terjemahan dari kalimat ini apa ?

The Lebanese film Ghadi was originally selected as their entry for the 86th Academy Awards in a two-way race over Lara Saba's Blind Intersections. When the film's release date was moved from 26 September 2013 to 31 October 2013, it no longer met the eligibility dates and Blind Intersections was submitted instead. What a joke (talk) 12:11, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Maaf, saya sedang banyak kegiatan. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Dec 31 POTD
What do you think about using File:1 epcot illuminations 2010.jpg for the last POTD of the year? Armbrust The Homunculus 21:17, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome!! Thanks Elisfkc (talk) 01:54, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Christmas Day Main Page conflict
Crisco, we may have a problem with the potential Main Page setup for the 25th. TFL has a list of churches in an English county scheduled for that date, while POTD has an image of a church in Macedonia. We at TFL recently had lists swapped hours before a TFL was set to run because of close proximity to the day's TFA, and I fear we could be in for a similar fate here. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about having multiple church items on a holiday steeped in religion, but there are many who want us to feature a range of topics on a given day and that is understandable. Do we need to do anything here? Giants2008 ( Talk ) 00:17, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I'll have to see what kind of Christmasy images there are. Maybe something red. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Giants, I've rescheduled that church image for January 1st. POTD on Christmas will be a dominostein. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That should resolve whatever conflict would have existed. Thanks for taking the time to change the POTD. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 18:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been eyeing a couple Christmas cards for a while; I should do them so we have something for next year that shouldn't conflict. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Kent, Ohio TFA
For the Kent, Ohio TFA, would I be able to change the image used in the summary? The one currently used would be better suited for Kent State University or Ohio State Normal College at Kent. I realize I can edit it myself, but since it has been archived, I wanted to check and make sure. The image I would prefer to use is File:Downtown Kent 2013.JPG, which has two better-known and locally iconic landmarks visible. The caption would be "Old Erie Depot, built in 1875, and the Star of the West mill in downtown Kent" or something along those lines. Thanks! --JonRidinger (talk) 05:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Just keep the caption short — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , the place that it needs to be changed is Today's featured article/December 27, 2015 - there's no point in changing the TFAR nomination page because, as you say, that's archived. BencherliteTalk 06:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you! I've never done anything with TFA, so this is all new. Much appreciated! --JonRidinger (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Henry Hoʻolulu Pitman
Hello, Chris -- If you have time, I wonder if you can help resolve this disagreement: Talk:Henry Hoʻolulu Pitman/Archive 1. Corinne (talk) 02:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Commented. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * How exactly do I source what it claims to be when none of the information is digital? The source of the knowledge (what, when, etc) is in the non-digitized records of the museum told to me by the Digital Asset Manager at the Museum. The image file was emailed to me by the institution as a file in their records. None of these resources are digital. I uploaded the two files with the understanding that they are PD because they are 2-D reproductions/records of 19th century paintings which per Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corporation are not protected under copyright laws. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You cite how you got the files. "Source: Email from XXX" works fine. Or, if you scanned it from a book, you cite the book. I've got a whole category for a images from the 1952 book Indonesia Tanah Airku, for instance. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It might be inappropriate to name the individual so can I just state Source="Peabody Essex Museum, image description and file located in PEM records from email correspondence with PEM staff member." --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:03, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. A simple "Source: PEM, via email" should be fine (though I prefer your wording). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Do I need an OTRS?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt it, but if you do it shouldn't be difficult assuming you've kept the email PEM sent you. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

1931 Book
Strictly speaking for the US, I have a book with an illustration in it dating from 1931. The author of the book died in 1939 (76 years ago). Does the image fall under PD-old-70?

Also in this same circumstance, how does the copyright renewal laws apply for this same case? There is no record of copyright renewal in the Library of Congress. So when does the work expire then? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If there was no renewal, then it would be PD-US-not renewed. If there was no copyright notice in the work itself (illustrations, unlike advertisements, aren't considered separately) then it would be PD-US-no notice. Since the book was first published in the US work, we don't have to worry about other countries' copyright laws, so PD-70 isn't applicable. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

FPC
, can we do something about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/AAAAAAAHHHHHH! this?] Sca (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I take it he was shocked to find the image. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:25, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Romanian freedom of panoroma (or not)
Chris, there's a DYK review where the issue of WT:DYK and freedom of panorama for a modern outdoor sculpture (in the side of a cliff) has been raised. Is this something you know about, and if so, could you please weigh in? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:43, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Kukang
Saya mau nanya, kalau artikel id:Kukang diinterwikikan ke Sunda slow loris, bukannya ke Kukang sunda, maka bagaimana dengan artikel Slow loris ? --Erik Fastman (talk) 13:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Changing names
Chris - I didn't realize the name of a FPC was a factor. Is it too late for me to change the name? I thought the image caption was all that was needed to fit the bill for a "descriptive, informative and complete file description in English". Thx in advance. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 03:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's not too late. Got any specific names in mind? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 09:43, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Gold-spotted flatworm is the common name that appears to be used most often. There is also yellow-spotted polyclad flatworm which would also work and has a more encyclopedic ring to it.  I'll let you decide, if that's ok. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 15:31, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * K, done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:23, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/January 3, 2016
This one was good to go right out of the box, thanks for that. - Dank (push to talk) 21:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Fortunate indeed! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Do you have time for a pic review?
Hi Chris, I hope all is well with you, given the various calls on your time. Do you have any free time available for an image review? If so Tim Riley and I have Albert Ketèlbey at PR at the moment. It's got three new freee images (uploaded by me), one non free and two older free images. Would you have time to look at these? Many thanks! - SchroCat (talk) 12:40, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, very quickly. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:37, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Terjemah
Crisco, bisa minta tolong terjemahan dari paragraf ini apa:

In 2009 the selection committee chose The White Ribbon as the official German submission. This has caused some controversy as well as confusion about the rules of the Academy, which would have accepted a submission from either Germany or Austria. Martin Schweighofer, head of the Austrian Film Commission, has expressed that he isn't happy with the decision: "The discomfort arises because of the vague rules of the Academy. In essential regards the film is Austrian." It has been reported that the American distributor, Sony Pictures Classics, pressured Germany to submit it rather than Austria for tactical reasons, since Austrian films have been nominated two years in a row with 2007's The Counterfeiters and 2008's Revanche.

--Erik Fastman (talk) 01:23, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Maaf, saya sedang sibuk menggarap disertasi. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Move
Can you move John Papa Īī to John Papa ʻĪʻī? Rationale: "In general, follow the orthography of use for the kahakō and ʻokina wherever possible when using Hawaiian words and phrases."--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!
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Easy question
Hi Chris, in FP noms everyone calls a painting a "scan". When the image is small for example here, may be they can be scanned say on an ordinary flat bed scanner. Question: Is "scan" code word for photograph, or is there some special apparatus used in museums (perhaps a moving head or something like that)? Bammesk (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more accurate to call them photographic reproductions, yes. I don't quite know why we've all started saying "scan". Some may use movable heads, others stitch after taking pictures using a panoramic head. There are some pretty big scanners out there that could handle a painting, but I doubt many institutions use them for such works. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Filippino Lippi 016.jpg
An alternative image was added to the nomination 3 days ago. Could you indicate which version(s) you support? Thanks, Armbrust The Homunculus 12:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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Persistent socker now on id-wp
Javad Ramezani is an Iranian sockpuppet with over 100 socks, see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/جواد رمضانی شوراب. Usually he makes himself out to be a great singer, sometimes a film star, sometimes even an ethologist. I see that he has now appeared on id-wiki at id:Javad Řamėẑani. That has already been marked for deletion, but he is persistent and it might be worth doing a scan for his name (or Javad Ramzani) every now and then.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:55, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll keep an eye open, but I'm rarely on-wiki nowadays. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful holidays


Merry Christmas and a happy New Year! --Tremonist (talk) 15:17, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's greetings!
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Hero Supermarket
Pak Chris, how are things? I hope you and your family are having an excellent Christmas season. Down to business, I recently created Hero Supermarket (it not existing had bothered me for a while), should you have anything to add. I plan on getting at least one picture while I am still in Indonesia (and making an appropriate Commons category), but you may have access to a...ahem... larger one than I do. Terima kasih, and all the best in the New Year, --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:41, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the only Hero around here is in Malioboro Mall. The location makes taking a decent picture rather difficult, as even in the off season it's always filled with tourists. Around here, Hypermart (three local branches) and Superindo (like eight local branches) have been dominating for the past few years. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh, well no worries, I will a picture of the small one here, at least it would be something. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:08, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

CoMC
Could you please look at this discussion on my Talk page? Johnbod misunderstood my last question at the end. He thought I meant using a sandbox, and I meant the painting itself. Do you have an opinion? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:26, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/The Thin Red Line
I've uploaded a restoration. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

 * Sounds good to me! (I've been insanely busy with RL: three books [two of them translations] due for publication in the coming year, started my doctorate program, and a new baby) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays...

 * By the way, this here is rather good. If it only had an article... Hafspajen (talk) 23:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Jenn Colella
In April 2014, you deleted the page on this actress by closing the deletion discussion WP:Articles for deletion/Jenn Colella. I reviewed Draft:Jenn Colella and saw that you had previously deleted it. I now also see that Jenn Colella has been created in mainspace. I can't see the original deleted article, so I don't know whether it has been substantially improved. If it hasn't, it should be G4'd. Can you please compare the original article, the mainspace article, and the draft, and see whether anything needs to be speedied? Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can copy the deleted article to my user space, I can do the comparison. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Robert McClenon, at a quick glance the draft is considerably better than the deleted version, which included such lines as "Today, Colella is one half of a lesbian couple in the hot new Broadway show 'If/Then', currently playing at the Richard Rodgers Theatre; the show stars Idina Menzel" and is barely referenced (and none of those to reliable sources). Needless to say, the draft is also a fair bit better than the current version of the article. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK?
Good to see you back at FAC. Could you do a DYK for William McKinley presidential campaign, 1896? Hope all is well with you and yours and Happy New Year.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll nominate. It's been a crazy year, that's for sure. But crazy in a good way. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Wehwalt, it's done and nominated at Template:Did you know nominations/William McKinley presidential campaign, 1896 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

2016 year of the reader and peace
Thank you for for all you do for TFA, - thanks with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

TFA
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Time for a pic review?
Hi Chris, I hope all is well with you and the family. I've been working for a spell on Isabella Beeton, who is now at PR. Would you have time to glance at the images to see if they are suspect so, given the age of everything we're dealing with, but it's best to check. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was just going to ask you if you had anything in the pipeline. Heading over. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent timing then! Many thanks for your comments. As usual I'm confused by the plethora of tags, and can find no page on Commons that lists all the licence tags in a user-friendly format. Can you take a look at File:Isabella_Mary_Beeton.jpg to see if I've done this right? if not, can you point me the direction of the tags which show company-generated images, such as this and one or two others? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * SchroCat, that looks good. BTW, Panggilan Darah is up at FAC if you wanna have another look. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent news! I've tweaked the others now too. I'll pop over to PD shortly. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Today's featured article/January 20, 2016
I'm pretty sure this one's yours :) - Dank (push to talk) 17:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I expanded to around 1150 characters. Let me know. - Dank (push to talk) 19:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:24, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2016-05-08
Hi Crisco, I tried to reserve a slot for an FP for May 8. This was the first time I tried to add a new FP to POTD. I also wanted to create a protected version (Template:POTD protected/2016-05-08), but it seems I did something wrong. Could you please take a look at it? Thanks! — Kpalion(talk) 11:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't create the protected page until May. I'll be deleting it later. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I've previously scheduled the image for 11 April — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: I have seemingly corrected the formatting issue with Template:POTD protected/2016-05-08. Whether the page was authorized per the process I will leave up to you. Separately, I noticed that in the editing box, there are instructions for editors regarding the guidelines. I'm not sure the origin of this information, whether it's automatically included when someone creates the page or if it's part of another template used to create the layout, but it's an outdated way of conveying this information. I have created a group notice at Template:Editnotices/Group/Template:POTD protected which will appear for all subpages under Template:POTD protected. The new notice now appears above the edit box and conveys the same information. Mkdw talk 19:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually these instructions are relevant the normal POTD templates, and not the protected version of them (it should have been removed from Template:POTD/2016-05-08 during creation. So the edit notice should be moved to Template:Editnotices/Group/Template:POTD. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:19, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I had created it in both spaces so I've gone ahead and deleted from it from Template:Editnotices/Group/Template:POTD protected rather than moving it. Mkdw talk 20:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware that it was too early for creating the protected version, so sorry about that. I picked May 8 as this is the saint's feast day in Poland, but both dates are OK for me. I hope there's no problem with the caption. — Kpalion(talk) 22:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Jules Massenet by Eugène Pirou.jpg
What do you think? Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Adam Cuerden, impressive. I might touch up the white border at the top, but that's all. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Tweaked and nominated. Thanks! Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:06, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, Eugène Pirou has some fantastic photography combined with a god-awful article. I intend to work on both. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. That's a mess, right there. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Porcupine (Cheyenne)
Chris, I was hoping you could take a look at this nomination, which has been stalled for quite some time, and also the comments on it from the nominator at User talk:SpinningSpark, and decide whether it's still possible for it to proceed—might you be willing to review it anew if so?—or if it should just be closed.

The article's GA review, which started at around the same time as this DYK review did, ran into similar issues and was not successful, but some were clearly outside the scope of GA and DYK (such as the insistence that the article be converted to American English). I can understand why the nominator is frustrated, but if there are neutrality issues, they do need to be dealt with.

Thank you very much for your help. I hope you've been having a very Happy New Year thus far, and that it stays happy well into the future. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:36, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Camille Saint-Saëns in 1900 by Pierre Petit.jpg
Thoughts? Also, feel free to play with the levels (use the PNG version, ideally) - not entirely happy. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks more or less fine to me. Maybe a 5 or 10 to the whites, but that's it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Better or worse now? Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Love it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

WP:Wikicup
Godot13 has joined the judges; I think that if you wanted to compete, this is the year to do it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Doubt I'll have the time to write enough to make it past Round 1. When classes start next month (usually after Chinese New Year's) I'll be swamped. Again. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Jacques Offenbach by Nadar - Original.jpg
By far the best image of Offenbach I've found - but it's probably going to be a few pixels short of 1500 in width once you crop the frame which seems useless. Would you buy it as an exception? The original image (I think including card mount) is 6cm wide, so that's not bad resolution, particularly if card mount is included in the size. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:37, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd probably buy it, yes. But since he's identified on the card mount, would that be worth keeping? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure. It looks very secondary. Like it was added unofficially. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Alright. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The date given is Nadar's death; I suspect it's part of post-mortem documentation - add a card so that fingerprints don't get on the vauable historical record, etc. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Vivian Malone
I'm stealing that from your FP list, if you don't mind. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. I haven't had time to give it the quick clean-up it needs. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

NYPL
"Update (January 6, 2016):

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Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Seem to have erratic copyright tagging, mind you. Expect this to become a better and better resource over time. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice. They've got some very beautiful pictures of Indonesian starlets too... I saw some of Ermina Zaenah when I was writing the article. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Albert Ketèlbey
Dear Chris, Many thanks for your recent comments on the Albert Ketèlbey peer review. The article is now at FAC for further comment, should you wish to make any. Would you also be able to have a confirming look at the image licences, which I've updated since the PR? Many thanks – SchroCat (talk) 17:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * They all look good. When I can steal some time, I'll try having a look at the prose. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

? (film)
Hi.. Regarding my edit on %3F_(film), it was taken from Controversy section which has a citation: "Banser, the youth wing of the NU, also protested the film, taking offence to a scene in which Banser members are paid to do their charitable duties; they insisted that they are not." Perhaps I did that incorrectly, hope that you mind correcting it. :) Cheers, Ign christian (talk) 07:06, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, I realized that later. Instead I removed the NU from the lead, so that the lead would remain balanced. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
Request to revisit the discussion; a user has responded to your recent comment there. North America1000 09:20, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Schmerber v. California
Surely we can't allocate a main page appearance five months in advance? We can note it as "potential", but that's all at this stage. Brianboulton (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's there as a reminder, nothing more. Everything that ends up on Today's featured article/requests/pending seems to be overlooked. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Gibbs's thermodynamic surface
Chris, have you run into the situation SpinningSpark describes here? Can you please answer his query about whether the nomination qualifies for DYK? I do know that DYK requires that the new article should not contradict pre-existing articles related to the subject, but I don't know what the practice is on this issue. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree with SS. I believe Nikkimaria has mentioned similar cases before. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have, though usually it's a bit clearer-cut than this - here only a few sentences have been directly copied, looks like the rest have been paraphrased. So the question is whether paraphrasing something is enough to make it new for the purposes of DYK. I would tend to say not... Nikkimaria (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed. BlueMoonset, I doubt we can accept it, even with the paraphrasing. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Meat stall painting
I noticed this post regarding on Haffy's talk.

I asked Hafs about the sign, and he sent the explanation at left:

(The unit of area probably should be translated as rood, not rod.)

I don't see how this could be interpreted as "a warning to society at that time." Sca (talk) 15:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Upon reconsideration, I do. Sca (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Black History Month
Do you have an image for the start of Black History Month, or shall I rush William Grant Still, say, to prep and voting? Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Eh, he was always in the queue. Just a matter of whether I did him or Ethel Smyth first. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:30, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I've got one or two images that will work for the beginning of the month. But if we could have something for the end of the month as well, that would be nice. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ...Oh, that won't be a problem. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Ethel Smyth
Found a high-res image of one of my heroes; presuming it passes, can I ask you to put it on International Women's Day (March 8)? Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Should be fine. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/William Grant Still‎
Could you possibly comment on Wolftick's argument here? Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I doubt he could be convinced. Those of us who are familiar with the LOC (Yann, myself) have already supported the image. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, but I'd rather not be the only person arguing against him. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:53, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I left a note anyways. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:17, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Vivian_Malone_registering.jpg
I wasn't sure whether the white bit in the lower left was original, so left it, but otherwise not a hard restoration. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it was more a matter of me forgetting to do it. Over and over and over. That white blur is definitely part of the photo; somebody's shirt, probably. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Newsweek
I was looking for an example of how to do magazine cover page images correctly copyright-wise and came across ; the cover page of Newsweek uploaded as "own work." I thought that couldn't be right - figured you might know what to do with it. David King, Ethical Wiki (CorporateM) (Talk) 19:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nominated for deletion. Almost certainly not correct. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Incredible DYK favor
Chris, can I ask you to please swap the contents of Queue 6 (lead hook Church of St George the Exiler) and Queue 2 (lead hook: porpoises)? The DYKUpdateBot stopped working for a bit and though it's back now, the aggregate delays were 12 hours in all. Right now, the hooks intended for the Wikipedia 15th birthday are in Queue 1 and Queue 2, but Queue 6 is next in line for promotion at midnight January 15 UTC, the birthday. If you swap the hooks in queue 6 and queue 2, then we'll be all set. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually, there's one more thing you can do, though it'll take a bit more time. You may have noticed that Queue 2 set I'm asking you to swap into Queue 6 has only seven hooks, and should have eight. In WT:DYK, there are two hooks listed as "ready to go"; could you please promote one of them directly into the seven-hook set? The Lt. Gov. one is quirkier—the idea is to have all-positive hooks for the day—while the suggested Erfurt hook would need to have its final clause removed. I've just added the lead hooks of the pre-swap queues 6 and 2 in case you don't see this until after someone else has moved them. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Done and done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Much appreciated. I'm sorry my explanation wasn't clearer—I had actually wanted to put Lt. Gov. in the set that has been swapped to Queue 6 per the suggestions on the talk page, rather than leaving the three-time smiler there. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:54, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I would propose swapping Lena Gurr, Officer's Choice, Pepe the frog, Max Deutsch and Air Ambulance Center with Magical Pet, Sehadete Mekuli, 1941 German football championship, Texas A&M–Commerce Lions women's volleyball and Daecheong Dam. Sorry that it is a lot of work.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  17:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Chris, I didn't explain well enough what I wanted, which was to swap the entire queues, not just the lead (and quirky) hooks. I thought you'd swapped all but the final hook, rather than just the first hook. So we now have the situation where the first and last hooks are in the right place, but the second through seventh hooks of queues 2 and 6 are in the wrong place, and should be swapped. That's what Jolly Janner was going after above: to put things right afterward. I tried pinging Materialscientist, haven't had any luck there; if you're around and can make this swap in the next ten minutes, I'll owe you a big one. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's fixed now. Sorry, been a very busy few days. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks great. Thank you so very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

TFA
All done for January, and all working sheets should be up to date (there's only been one FA promotion so far in January). I have overhauled the notepad page; there were quite a few errors and omissions, but all should be well now (we need a new colour to identify 2016 promotions). Best of luck with your scheduling for February. Brianboulton (talk) 17:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Another month of great selections, thanks Brian. - Dank (push to talk) 18:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, fantastic selections. For colour... how about green? Don't think we've used that so far. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've tried out green on Mayabazar, January's single promotion to date. It's a bit dark, and makes reading the article name a little difficult. I don't know what else is in the palette, but I'd prefer a paler shade if possible. Brianboulton (talk) 00:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't seem to have a list of colours that I can find. How's #0f0? (I've already applied it to Mayabazar) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I just tried "lightgreen" (but editconflicted) and it seemed okay to me. - Dank (push to talk) 00:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Struck me as a bit dark. Lime worked well. We've apparently got quite a few to choose from — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Lime looks very good to me, nicely distinguished from the rest, and I suggest we stick with it. Brianboulton (talk) 11:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "Make it so". — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with image request
Hi Crisco 1492, I'd like to know if you have a few minutes to help with contacting someone in Indonesian for an image request. I have been working on obtaining a freely-licensed image of Kim Jong-un to replace the awkward sketch of him that is currently used. I have been in touch with someone named Jaka Parker, who is of Indonesian background and currently resides in Pyongyang, North Korea. I've emailed him using the address listed on his Instagram account, and actually received a response in just four hours, saying he might know where an image of KJU is on a public building (thus meeting freely-licensed criteria) and would try to look for it. However, I haven't heard anything more in over a week, and he is very limited on his English. I think it was difficult for me to explain everything clearly, but his native tongue is Indonesian and it would make it a lot easier for him if he received a message in that language.

I'd like to know if you mind emailing him in Indonesian and asking if he was able to find an image of Kim Jong-un on a public building, and if so could he take a picture of it and upload it to Wikimedia Commons under a free license. That way the image of him will look much better. Thank you! Tonystewart14 (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. Email me (using the "Email user" function on the left side of my user page) what you'd like to say, and I'll translate it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Possibly sucking-eggs, but it doesn't hurt to state the obvious; has anyone tried just writing either to the DPRK government or an embassy press office and asking if they can release a photo into the public domain? Provided we make it clear that we're not intending to use the photo disrespectfully and that it's in their own interests as well as Wikipedia's to have their leader looking good, most governments, regardless of their type, are usually happy to oblige. Sure, releasing it into the public domain potentially means people will reuse the photo disrespectfully, but that already happens with copyrighted photos regardless. &#8209; Iridescent 00:36, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chris, I'll do that. For Iridescent, you might look at the talk page for the article and the archives, as there has been a lot of discussion around it. There have been others who have attempted to reach out to diplomats and HBO/Vice News (who went with Dennis Rodman) for an image, to no avail. It looks like in the case of diplomats, there was also a language barrier where they might not have understood exactly what we were asking, especially since it's not what they normally handle. It might be a possibility if someone contacts them in Korean, but if there is a public image of KJU in Pyongyang, this might be the best route as Jaka is also a photographer and could get a high-quality image for us. Tonystewart14 (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * We can try this, for sure. But if we have a Korean speaker willing to help, we can reach out to them in their own language as well. The worst thing the government's liable to do is say no. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed the talkpage discussion after I posted. FWIW, the DPRK's London embassy has become fairly chatty with the press lately (example), and the staff there presumably all speak fluent English and are more familiar than most North Koreans with western internet and media cultures. (A request from a European country might be received more favourably than one from the US, Japan or South Korea, which is presumably where most Korean speakers will be; even the more right-wing EU states like the UK and Germany have generally remained on speaking terms with the DPRK, so might not get the automatic "they're up to something" suspicion a request from the US or RoK would get.) &#8209; Iridescent 01:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. If you live near that embassy, you could go there and ask, or even try to take a picture there if they have a KJU picture on display (as freedom of panorama would apply here, and it would be equivalent to taking a picture in Pyongyang). If Jaka can't find the image in Pyongyang he mentioned, this might be a second option, or we could do both to have some choices. Tonystewart14 (talk) 03:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Email received and sent. No harm in going through the NK embassy in London at the same time, I think. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chris. Let me know once you get a response. I'll try the London embassy in the meantime. Tonystewart14 (talk) 09:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @Tonystewart14, Freedom of Panorama (in the UK at least) is one of the most widely misunderstood aspects of copyright law on Wikipedia, not helped by the fact that Wikipedia's own article on Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 is very misleading. (When it talks about photographs of images in public places being permitted, it's talking about fair use of incidentally included images not free use—e.g. this photograph of a building isn't violating the copyright of Swarovski even though there's a prominent Swarovski logo included, since it's used to illustrate the building and it wouldn't be possible to photograph the building without the logo. FoP wouldn't apply to a photograph on or in a building in the UK; every test case has confirmed that photographs are "graphic works", to which FoP doesn't apply, and don't fall under "works of artistic craftsmanship permanently situated in premises open to the public". (There's a detailed explanation of what FoP does and doesn't apply to here; anyone who was working OTRS back when Transport for London would routinely challenge every photo taken in London in which their logo was visible on a passing bus or a station in the background will know more than they ever wanted to know about Section 62 of CDPA88.) I can pop by the embassy at some point if I'm in the area and ask (I imagine they'd take a dim view of anyone taking photos without permission), but it occurs to me that this is exactly the kind of situation for which Jimmy Wales is useful. He loves doing the Global Statesman routine so would probably be glad to help if asked, and the DPRK authorities are far less likely to brush off an approach from a well-known international figure than from you or I; if he asked nicely, he could probably get them to release a whole bunch of images of NK buildings, non-sensitive infrastructure (trains, bridges etc), celebrities and so on, given that it's in the DPRK's interest to show off their assets. (For a country in need of hard currency, if even one reader sees a photo of the place looking nice and is inspired to visit, it's probably paid for itself.) &#8209; Iridescent 17:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

For Iridescent: I was mainly planning on having someone go inside, where they would then be under DPRK jurisdiction as it would be inside the embassy. I think the Jimmy Wales idea is good if we can't get it from Jaka or someone else, and having one from the founder of Wikipedia would be a great bonus. Tonystewart14 (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "Embassies are subject to the law of the country they represent, not the host country" is a long-standing urban myth. The DPRK embassy in London is subject to English law, and likewise the UK embassy in Pyongyang is subject to NK law. Although there are certain provisions under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations that mean some laws of the host country aren't enforced and local police can't enter without the permission of the ambassador, that wouldn't affect copyright law. &#8209; Iridescent 21:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Driveby thought—how about asking on TripAdvisor forums and the like as to whether anyone about to go on vacation there can take a photo and upload it when they get back? It occurs to me that asking Jaka Parker to do it may be a bad idea; if someone doctors the free-use image into something unflattering and (correctly) attributes the original photographer, it could cause potential issues if the photographer is still in NK and the authorities see the attribution and feel he's somehow responsible. &#8209; Iridescent 22:11, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I recall in the talk page for the Kim Jong-un article that someone mentioned Mexico as an example of a country that also has freedom of panorama. If someone could go somewhere like that and visit the DPRK embassy there, that might be one solution.
 * The concern about Jaka is certainly valid, although he would only be responsible for the original image. Of course, it's always possible that the DPRK could blame him for it, but as a foreigner it's likely the worst case scenario is he'll be deported back to Indonesia. If they tried to punish him when all he did was take the original photo, it would lead to bad diplomatic relations with Indonesia, something the DPRK would want to avoid. Tonystewart14 (talk) 03:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Isabella Beeton
It's the first time I've had an edit conflict while noming at FAC! I've dropped Isabella Beeton at FAC for comments and thoughts. If you have time for an image review and any another comments you may wish to make, I'd be delighted to deal with them. Regardless of your participation, or otherwise, I'll be along to your nom shortly. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 14:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I'll be right over. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Vivian Malone
Given this looks to pass, it might not be a bad Black History month image, either for the end, or for part of the old Black History Week. Could instead hold it for June 11, though, the 53rd anniversary. I have a LOT of black history planned. Here, here's my list. Forgive me for it being a very rough copy-paste of notes I was making:

JAZZ:


 * Billy Strayhorn
 * Cab Calloway: http://www.loc.gov/item/gottlieb.00951/ http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.01041.0 http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.06901.0 http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.00981.0
 * Charlie Parker: http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.06891.0/?sp=1 or http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.06901.0
 * Thelonious Monk http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.06191.0/?sp=1
 * Sylvia Syms (singer) http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.08271.0?st=gallery
 * Mary Lou Williams http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.music/gottlieb.09231
 * Dizzy Gillespie http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.03141.0
 * Tiny Grimes http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.03551.0
 * Charlie Shavers http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.07761.0/?sp=1
 * Benny Carter: http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.01131.0?st=gallery
 * Art Tatum http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.08321.0
 * Louis Jordan http://www.loc.gov/item/gottlieb.04721/
 * File:Ella Fitzgerald in September 1947.jpg
 * Ella Fitzgerald http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.02861.0/?sp=1
 * Hep:
 * File:Billie Holiday 0001 original.jpg
 * Al Grey http://www.loc.gov/resource/gottlieb.16221.0
 * File:Dave Lambert, John Simmons, Chubby Jackson, George Handy, and Dizzy Gillespie, William P. Gottlieb's office, New York, N.Y., ca. July 1947 (William P. Gottlieb 10248).jpg
 * Ben Webster http://www.loc.gov/item/gottlieb.08931/
 * Babs Gonzales http://www.loc.gov/item/gottlieb.03391/

Other:
 * Frederick Douglass http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cwpbh.05089/
 * Martin Luther King
 * Samuel Coleridge-Taylor http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/99401098/]]
 * File:369th 15th New York.jpg
 * File:A platoon of Negro troops surrounds a farm house in a town in France, as they prepare to eliminate a German sniper... - NARA - 531188.jpg
 * Althea Gibson File:Althea Gibson NYWTS.jpg
 * Jesse Jackson File:Jesse Jackson participating in a rally, January 15, 1975.jpg
 * Barbara Jordan File:Rep. Barbara Jordan.jpg
 * Booker Washington File:Booker T Washington retouched flattened-crop.jpg
 * File:Jackie_Robinson,_Brooklyn_Dodgers,_1954.jpg
 * Hiram Rhodes Revels File:Hiram Rhodes Revels - Brady-Handy-(restored).png
 * File:Robert Smalls - Brady-Handy.jpg
 * Robert Earl Jones
 * Sojourner Truth http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ppmsca.08978/
 * Maori Battalion File:E_003261_E_Maoris_in_North_Africa_July_1941.jpg

The Maori Battallion might be best saved for ANZAC Day - it is one of THE iconic New Zealand images of WWII. It's a bit heavy on America and music, but that's partially down to availability and me knowing it best - I don't know my black history of France, for example, so it's hard to use Gallica as a search, for example, and the UK doesn't have the same sort of easy copyright-free archives. (Though Samuel Coleridge-Taylor IS British). Probably going to look into France's colonial history and try checking likely phrases and people and see where it goes. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:21, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about saving Malone for next year. We have several other images that may be appropriate for Black History month, and we're still following a First In, First Out system (more or less) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Lost operas
Handel's lost Hamburg operas has found its way to FAC, where further wise observations will be welcomed (a reprise of your image review would be particularly welcome). Brianboulton (talk) 00:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * On my way. Hope to do a prose review as well, but will finish Gerda's nomination first. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Lisensi
Sore.

Saya ada dapati gambar Paraphlomis oblongifolia (gambar 19a-b, halaman setelahnya). Ini link-nya: Itu lisensinya apa? Kira-kira, bisa masuk Commons gak? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 10:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Kalau dari tahunnya, tidak mungkin bebas hak cipta. Itu terbitan tahun 1970-an. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Thelonious Monk, Minton's Playhouse, New York, N.Y., ca. Sept. 1947 (William P. Gottlieb 06191).jpg
Anything you'd change about this? This kind of somewhat dirty scene (the piano lid especially) is full of judgement calls. You might want to check the TIFF as well. =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good. No, I don't think I've got anything I'd change. If the piano lid was dirty in the original, we shouldn't just clean it spotless. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for William McKinley presidential campaign, 1896
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Twice
Thank you for understanding. One was right here, and was a shock. I remember a barnstar by you and him next to each other, - preserved under "blushing" on my talk. - Some of your FAC questions were asked and answered in the GA review. Should I just answer them again? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Worth mentioning on the FAC, if at least to avoid other people asking the same questions. At your own pace, however. I just lost someone dear to me a few weeks ago; these things take more priority over WP. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You are so right about priority. My contribution to Wikipedia15 was a man who man who inspired me and died in December, then Boulez whom I met, to make it four. Rehearsal now, music helps coping, also to create a prize for impact. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

With the beat of a different drum: thank you for the "fairly unproductive film corporation, even for the 1940s Dutch East Indies, but one which spent money as if it were going out of style", along with a great campaign on DYK! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda :) — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Could you (or someone watching) perhaps take care of this? The heartache was composed for last Sunday, I neglected it over the heartache above, it should appear ASAP (said so yesterday on DYK) ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Greetings!
Back in port today, back home in a week. Internet on the ship was so slow, anything beyond email (i.e., uploads) was impossible. Hope to start getting some images up in a few days...--Godot13 (talk) 05:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! Looking forward to it. Hopefully the reflections weren't too much. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 05:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Relied heavily on polarizers, still difficult at times. Shooting icebergs was tricky, not to mention they vary in size from a few feet to a few miles long (yes, miles). Apparently there is part of an ice shelf recently identified by scientists to possess a growing "crack" which will break off into an iceberg in the next 10-50 years. When it does, the resulting iceberg will be the size of Scotland. There is nothing on a small scale down there...--Godot13 (talk) 06:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe it. I very much believe it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ph/original/DT238395.jpg
Is this the highest resolution copy available? Page is http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/283083?=&imgno=0&tabname=label Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There's an extra 10-15% available. I can try and get it when I come back from work. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! One other question: On File:Johann Strauss II by Fritz Luckhardt.png is the little light spot sticking downwards at the bottom of the chin damage? I can't figure out how it'd "work" if it were part of the photo. Adam Cuerden (talk)
 * Based on the lighting, I'd expect it to be damage. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Right. Not sure if that one will pass at FPC, but it's worth doing anyway; we lack anything resembling a decent photo of him except the NYPL one that's very early in his career and not as iconic. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Adam Cuerden, photograph is uploaded — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:14, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Will get to it soon! =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

PR request
Hello Chris, a certain old thespian is currently waiting in the wings here for any comments or criticisms. I would be much appreciative for any thoughts offered, if you have the time. Many thanks.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   00:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I should have time this evening. I'll be glad to leave some comments. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Request Edit
If you have a minute, there is a Request Edit at the bottom of Talk:Emeco. It's been almost three months since I originally raised the issue of a dedicated Controversy section that relies heavily on blogs and primary sources. Was hoping you could take a look. David King, Ethical Wiki (CorporateM) (Talk) 16:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:16, 23 January 2016 (UTC)