User talk:Croonerman

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Removing Speedy at Helen Bousquet
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January 2013
Hello, I'm Hell in a Bucket. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Comment. The personal attack was here. The copyright violation was uploading a copyrighted image of Evans to Commons and claiming it was your own work; the image has been speedily deleted. The single-promotional-purpose of your account speaks for itself. As for my "arrogant attitude", I was the admin who rejected the A7 tag for the Bousquet article.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Croonerman, I'm not going to rule on your unblock request since I deleted an article you were involved with, so I'll let someone else. However, the first version of the Brian Evans article did contain significant violations of our biographies of living persons article. I'm willing to chalk that up to a newbie's mistake, and give you another chance, but please be aware that is not a policy we take lightly. Obviously for privacy reasons, I can't post exactly what they were, but without going into too much detail, you made totally unsourced allegations of legal trouble. If you're to be unblocked, we need your assurance that you'll never do that again. (There was also a personal attack issue regarding calling me an "asshole", but, eh, well, I've been called worse and it doesn't particularly bother me, and the reviewing admin is welcome to take that into account.)


 * There's also the issue of advertising/promotion, whether or not you intended that. I would like to know if you still intend to edit articles related to Evans. If he's part of your family, it will be very difficult for you to maintain a neutral point of view and avoid editing from personal knowledge rather than only sourced information, but those are requirements, and for that reason, we strongly discourage editors in that position from directly editing articles on subjects they're close to. It sounds like you're interested in big band music in general, maybe there are some other articles you could edit, without reference to your cousin? Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Note to any reviewing admin. Please see this discussion before making a decision. If you wish to unblock Croonerman, consultation with me is unnecessary. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 06:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Croonerman (talk) 10:51, 7 January 2013 (UTC) I have no problems giving you a second chance but I need to be sure that you won't make the same mistakes again, especially regarding the BLP policy. Bjelleklang -  talk 11:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How do you plan on handle your conflict of interest regarding Evans?
 * Can you give us examples on sources that shows him to be notable?
 * If unblocked, can you agree to submitting your article through WP:AFC to have it reviewed instead of creating it directly yourself?
 * I am willing to help this user in regards to Evans, if he is indeed notable I can help him with the policies. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Previous unblock request has been de-templated; please only post one request at at time. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Brian Evans
So I've been doing some digging. The thing that bothers me about this is that the singer appears to be known more for hsi other exploits then his singing [] and []. Now if I can find an independent source other then PRWIRE or Businesswire that affirms the song was added to Baseballs Hall of Fame I think we have notability nailed so for that I'm relying on you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

His previous run-ins were mentioned on the page that was deleted. There was nothing hidden there.

Here are some links:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/music/2012/07/19/big-band-singer-feels-redemption-hit-red-sox-song/LFTObO5mz3Gr2VPNByukEI/story.html (This article mentions both the Hall of Fame addition, and the fact that the song was licensed by MLB "The first in the league").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rlp0a2qSo8

http://www.walb.com/story/20052012/capt-kirk-plays-umpire-in-brian-evans-video

http://www.bostonmusicspotlight.com/localspotlight-features-local-singer-brian-evans-records-new-anthem-for-fenway-park-april-2012/

http://fitperez.com/2012-10-19-william-shatner-fenway-music-video-baseball-red-sox

Brian also is the opening act for Jay Leno, when Leno performs at The Mirage in Las Vegas - http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jan-14-Fri-2005/weekly/25644723.html

Briefly dated Angelina Jolie: (excerpt from autobiography by Andrew Morton: http://books.google.com/books?id=jYy2laAs_Q8C&pg=PA309&lpg=PA309&dq=%22brian+evans%22+%22Angelina+jolie%22+%22andrew+morton%22&source=bl&ots=uPdwvGA9Fo&sig=IRSoxxUjeY5l9s2IQjZde5491h8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=H87qUJGLFYq70QH7r4GoBw&sqi=2&ved=0CHMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22brian%20evans%22%20%22Angelina%20jolie%22&f=false

Has released multiple recordings besides "At Fenway" - http://www.amazon.com/Brian-Evans/e/B000APFZOQ/digital/ref=ntt_mp3_rdr?_encoding=UTF8&sn=d

Is the son of Helen Bousquet, who has brought national attention to the condition known as "Sleep Apnea," which until her story rarely received any attention (there's also a page on this that I have been working on, which you might be able to additionally assist me in).

See www.valleypatriot.com newspaper website, I believe it's on their website. Also, sleepapnea.org "Unnecessary loss of life" (something to that effect on it's home page). They are working together, Brian and The American Sleep Apnea Association, to have a bill presented to Congress in her name, so that any patient with sleep apnea must be monitored prior to discharge from a hospital right up until they are indeed discharged.

As you can see, none of the above are "PR Newswire" or self-released news items.

Croonerman (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I created a stub on Brian Evans. it can be found here Brian Evans (Singer) I believe that as a stub form it meets notability guidelines but just barely. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I disagree that it barely meets the notability guidelines. You have failed to mention other career highlights, such as the music video that was then filmed at Fenway Park on September 25th, 2012. It is the only music video ever to be filmed at Fenway Park to then be licensed by Major League Baseball. Also, he never opened for William Shatner is Hawaii. Shatner appeared with Evans there, and also recorded an album with Brian Evans (see Brian Evans with special guest William Shatner at amazon.com). Here is also a link to the music video story: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/william-shatner-treks-fenway-red-sox-rays-video-192305998--mlb.html

There is twenty years worth of career achievements (IMDB lists more than you have) in terms of factual and confirmable non-PR newswire information. I say this with no disrespect, but as the above Yahoo link confirms (again, that link is http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/william-shatner-treks-fenway-red-sox-rays-video-192305998--mlb.html) you cannot pick and choose the facts of this man's life while leaving out significant factual information. You also fail to mention that the "conviction" was later pardoned. Also see: http://www.rollcall.com/issues/50_23/-6650-1.html Croonerman (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Some additional entries have been made to the Brian Evans (Singer) page to add links/references and accurate information. I would appreciate it if you would review it, and format it correctly in the event I did not. Croonerman (talk) 10:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually the version that exists now is not the one I created. Mine was a short article that didn[t actually talk about a conviction just an arrest. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I do appreciate your help Hell In A Bucket!!! Croonerman (talk) 10:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Please take a look at the section "Singing Career" to see if I did that correctly. Croonerman (talk) 10:44, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I will, and for my part I like to create stubs that I "know" that can survive and them let other editors go frmo there and frankly Hiroloveswords has a pretty impressive article editing ratio so I'd defintely ask him too. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also I would let you know we wouldn't accept youtube as a reliable source nor amazon. I only mention amazon because I remember it being mentioned as an accolade. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Not to push my luck, but could you please help me format the Helen Bousquet page, too, so that it survives? She is bringing national attention to the condition known as Sleep Apnea, which took her life. SleepApnea.org, the only association in America for the condition, has her listed on their home page, and her death has caused for numerous investigations by US Senator Kerry, etc. I think it's an important piece of information. Croonerman (talk) 11:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I can look into it, I did briefly and thought it didn't meet the requirements but I didn't do significant digging. A lot of times though in cases where they are "only" known for being sick unless there was a case study they don't stick around but I'll look into it further. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, she was not only sick. She is the co-producer of "At Fenway," and she is equally added to the National Baseball Hall of Fame library as a result of it.

I am trying to "clean up" some of the things on the Brian Evans (singer) page, and hope you will review the edits. For instance, the charges involving Kasem (which were reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor, as evident by his ability to later qualify to run for the US Senate), and small typo's. I'm almost afraid to add or correct anything, because it seems when I do I'm crossing some line. So please take a look to make sure what I'm referencing with "links" are where they belong so that they survive my edits.

I would appreciate any help on this addition made to the Brian Evans (singer) page by me:

His Mother, Helen Bousquet Brian Evans filed complaints that initiated multiple investigations involving his mother, Helen Bousquet, after she died following routine knee surgery at The Holy Family Hospital in Methuen, Massachusetts. She was left unmonitored in a recovery room, despite a known condition of sleep apnea. Formal complaints and a meeting with Massachusetts state senators William Brownsberger and Bruce Tarr have resulted in an investigation into the hospital, owned by Steward Health Care System of Boston, by the Department of Health and various other state and federal agencies. Croonerman (talk) 12:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * My opinion is that this is a section that shouldn't be in the article. I understand you are either Brian Evans or a member of his family and I do have sympathy for this sad loss but I think that ultimately the article on Helen won't be kept, mainly because as a coproducer this won't qualify her notability and her death while it has made media coverage it fails the guidelines WP:ONEEVENT. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, it has obviously become a "big cause" for Brian now. He is even having a resolution created by Sen. Kerry to begin the process of making it a law that all patients with pre-existing conditions be monitored following any surgery until discharge from the hospital. You would think that's already a law. Given that's a big new mission of his, what happened to his mother and the publicist surrounding him (and her), it may be relevant. Please review helenbousquet.com and the "press section" before deciding. Croonerman (talk) 12:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Remember that Wikipedia is not the news, it is an encyclopedia. If a law is passed, and the law is the subject of a significant amount of writing, then an article about the law would probably include some discussion of Ms. Bousquet.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't you believe that there should be some mention that Brian Evans just did a music video at Fenway park for the song "At Fenway" that features William Shatner as the home plate umpire? See: http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/11/william_shatner_plays_umpire_i.html at least as a reference? Croonerman (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I do appreciate everyone's help with the newbie. Croonerman (talk) 12:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it distracts from the song itself personally. It's cool but not a requirement for establishing his notability. Remember the article is about Brian Evans and not the actual song itself. Now if the song (and I don't believe it does) ends up being notbale enough to have it's own article then it would be appropriate but for the current incarnation should focus on Brian. We were all new at some point ;) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Well, final request! Can you all help me with maintaining the Helen Bousquet article, perhaps even as a stub form? Croonerman (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * For right now there is really nothing we can do to salvage that, as FQ pointed out if they end up passing a law on her behalf we would have something to work with but for right now per our guidelines we do not. Again i sympathize because reviewing the circumstances it is a pretty egregious and negligent thing that happened, especially when a hospital knows about a sleep condition or any condition and fails to care for their patient. Every patient deserves the very best level of care or why would there be hospitals at all... Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, well, see what you can do. I have made a final addition to the Brian Evans (singer) page, providing writer credits given this: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009988/ Croonerman (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Will editors kindly review the final updates I have made for the Brian Evans (singer) page to make sure it meets all guidelines and is correctly stated? There are references I've added as links, but I'm wondering if anyone (if you have the time) could also add them to the numbered reference list? Croonerman (talk) 16:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

This information was added, and likely important: He is the only artist ever to record a CD "Live at The Desert Inn" in the history of The Desert Inn (see: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/1999/mar/09/evans-goes-live-at-dion-cd/). Significant because of all the people who've played there, including Sinatra. Only Brian Evans has ever done a live album at this historic venue. Croonerman (talk) 16:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That looks tremendously better, and thank you for being willing to listen to the advice you've received, despite the rocky start. :) By the way, if this is a genre that interests you, there are a lot of articles in Category:Big bands that could very much use some attention. Think you'd be interested? Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment, and yes, I'd be most interested (and will start researching) the subject. I feel I have a better understanding of how this process works now. Croonerman (talk) 06:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Note to editors: Can someone please add this link to the "references" section of the Brian Evans (singer) section? An article in Roll Call is pretty signigicant, I'm sure you would all agree (it is known as the newspaper of Air Force One): http://www.rollcall.com/issues/50_23/-6650-1.html Croonerman (talk) 08:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Please check out the new additions that I have made to Brian Evans (singer) and make sure I'm doing it right! I think I've got the hang of it now, so let me know if I'm screwing up! Croonerman (talk) 11:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty, done working on this one for a while and am going to begin working on researching different "crooners." Please clean up any messes I left, though I believe I did it all right this time. Croonerman (talk) 12:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Hell in a bucket...you don't see what happened to his mother, and what he's doing about it, as something people should know? Croonerman (talk) 13:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Why are there all these red "error messages" in the reference section of Brian Evans (singer)? Croonerman (talk) 13:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have to fix the names on it which I will do shortly. As we have explained a little before this counts as news and WP:NOTNEWS applies, I know that's cold but it's the policies in effect here to avoid recentism. I'd wait on the mothers part, I really would. And try to use : before you post a reply and add one for each discussion line you add it provides spacing so it doesn't look like a completely long section.
 * Example if you see how it indents when I pressed two colons and so on Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

COI thoughts
I'd still be pretty leary of editing this article a whole bunch. One wikilink for Helen is enough, really it is. We call it excessive linking. This is one of the reasons why we discouraging editing in areas that you are connected to because it clouds your neutrality. I'd suggest leaving the article for a bit, if you notice I'm not really changing the content of the article just bringing it to a more neutral and encyclopaedic tones. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

ok. I will take your advice. Croonerman (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Croonerman for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Croonerman for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Croonerman for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What must I do to be unblocked so that I can edit pages again. I'll play by the rules! Croonerman (talk) 11:15, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * First you'd have to re-request unblock which is then reviewed by Administration. the relevant parts are above. I personally think unblock is highly unlikely due to the nature of repeated sock puppetry but that's for them to decide. You can request via the template above again copy and paste style. BTW Brian FWIW I do like the "At Fenway" song it was well done indeed. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You may want to consider taking the standard offer: leave entirely for six months, give assurances that you won't repeat the disruptive behaviour (in your case, this would probably involve a voluntary topic ban on articles relating to Brian Evans and Helen Bousquet) and then request that you be unblocked. If, during the intervening period, you can show productive activity on other WikiMedia projects (like Wikisource, Wiktionary or Wikivoyage) that will tend to count in your favour, though it's by no means required. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not Brian (Mark), you wouldn't want to hear me sing. However, I think we should get a photo up there. Can I contact him (Brian) and have him email a photo he owns so that you can put it up? Croonerman (talk) 11:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I would advise strongly against involving yourself any further in Brian Evan's Wikipedia entry. If Mr Evans owns a suitable photograph (as in, owns the copyright to it and can prove it), he is welcome to licence it under CC-BY-SA and upload it to Wikimedia Commons (he'll also need to email permissions-en@wikimedia.org to provide evidence that the photographer has relinquished the copyright to him). However, you yourself are probably best served by simply dropping the topic entirely. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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