User talk:Crow/Archive 3

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Re: Copyright
Thank you for making me aware of this. I copy and pasted the plot summaries from The Blacklist (season 1) and wanted them to correspond with each article. Most of the copyright violation notices I got came from a website called megashare.info, which looked like a spam video streaming website. I figured since it came from a website like this, those messages could be disregarded. However, I now know that is not the case and will work to get plot summaries put together for each article that was affected by these copyright violations. Rp0211 ( talk2me ) 17:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! I will be sure to use the edit summary when I copy and paste plot information from the season pages of the show. Rp0211  ( talk2me ) 18:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Help : Copyright issues
Hi there,

I need your help to fix some copyright issues addressed by Moonriddengirl. I already change a couple of articles but I don’t know how to do it for articles such as the Pan ams ones. Can you help me? Thank you in advance. Best regards, TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 18:05, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi ! This is actually a very easy one to fix. Basically, anyone can copy and use text from articles here, as long as they say where they got it from. On those Pan Am ones, it looks like you used the intro text from another article (possibly another year of the same event), and that caused the CorenSearchBot to tag them, notify you, and then open a case for someone to investigate. So we just need to attribute that text: it doesn't even have to be in the article itself, so won't disrupt what you've written.
 * The fix is just to make an edit to the article (any edit will do), and have the edit summary say something like "Article created with content copied from Article name here , see that page for attribution." You can see some articles where I've done that, here, here, and here. It really is that simple!
 * Here is the article list where attribution is needed:
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 200 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 400 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 800 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 5000 metres
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 110 metres hurdles
 * Athletics at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 50 kilometres walk
 * Boxing at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's Flyweight
 * Shooting at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 10 metre air pistol
 * Shooting at the 2015 Pan American Games – Women's 10 metre air pistol
 * Shooting at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 10 metre air rifle
 * Shooting at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's 50 metre rifle prone
 * Shooting at the 2015 Pan American Games – Men's trap
 * If you want, I'll be more than happy to apply the needed attributions if you can just tell me what the source pages were for the above. Or if you like, you can do it following my examples above. And of course I'll be happy to answer any questions or help out in any way I can, just say the word! Crow  Caw  21:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks i'll do it. Regards, TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)¸
 * Done. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 21:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks very much! For future reference, just do that whenever copying content between articles, and there's no copyright concern. Thanks again and happy editing! Crow  Caw  21:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support, it was very appreciated. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Once again, thank you for help! Kind regards, TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Laatsman
Hi Crow - I received a mail from you asking me where I first published a biography of Herman Laatsman. This publication was made in Wikipedia France and under the attached licence.

Alessandro Esseno new page
Hi Crow,

thanks for your kind response. As I wrote I did not copy MTV, certainly I was inspired by the old page of the composer Alessandro Esseno. I repeat the news are those. Maybe you should write them in another way. How can you do? I count on your help. Thanks. --Arizzium55 (talk) 17:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Alessandro Esseno new page
Hi Crow and thank you! Agree with you on everything! But the page on my sandbox do you think? We can publish this? You as you write again?? I would not know what to take or what to add .. --Arizzium55 (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Alessandro Esseno new page
Right. Start working on it. When ready to submit for your attention. Thanks. --Arizzium55 (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Alessandro Esseno once again
Hello Crow, I just put the new page written over again in my sandbox. What do you think about it? Thank you very much. --Arizzium55 (talk) 13:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Missed the talk page note. --Neil N  talk to me 00:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk
Sir you say that all the accounts made by this IP are fake but they are not a person called Tom Tennyson used to live in my house i kicked him out after he didn't pay rent--Imsobreezy123 (talk) 17:33, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Question
Say Crow if the article Yung Trace became notable would it be aloud on Wikipedia-Mrcreator123 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, here's the thing, because of all of the deception, the fake accounts (including the one above this section, pretending to be someone else), you're pretty much Ban-on-sight. Now, that having been said, if the article can be sourced to many sources such as these that are unrelated to you (no blogs, no youtube, no personal web pages, no weebly/blogspot/wix/yola/about/itunes/etc), then the answer is: Maybe. The Maybe depends on you losing the ban-on-sight status first. To do that, log into your original Dao2K account, and request unblocking. The considering admin will want to see proof of reform though, such as 6 months or more of valid contributions and constructive editing on a site like Simple Wiki, and definitely no socking. (And you need to stop trying to re-create articles that have been repeatedly deleted!) If that fails, you can appeal via WP:UTRS, especially if your talk page access is shut off. After that, the last appeal possible is the Ban Appeals Committee at WP:BASC. Crow  Caw  19:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Now see, what you're doing now will not help your chances. Crow  Caw  19:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

New page

 * Hello sir my name is Jack Blackman and i admire your work. So I created a page on you called Crow (admin)--Jackblackman123 (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC).
 * Who are you really? Please be honest, the answer will be easy to get. Crow  Caw  22:22, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * My name is Jack Blackman honestly. What are you talking about?-Jackblackman123 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Andrew get off Wikipedia-162.219.24.202 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Shutup you yutes and get off Wikipedia--91.244.181.76 (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk 1
Before you go and get disappointed in me as you said you were why don't you go and see my article on Wikia "(Article)". I'm pretty sure you once said my article on Wikipedia was written badly go and have a look on my article because I want to see what you think-90.199.76.178 (talk).

Talk 2
I want to quickly tell you something quickly I don't want you to try and mock me for saying this because odbviously your a better editor than I am but one of your Wikipedia articles which you made about an American outlaw you should edit the first section about his life and crimes so like sort all the facts into sub sections. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say-90.199.76.178 (talk).

Draft:Yung Trace
Why can't I keep Draft:Yung Trace because it is only a draft-90.196.76.224 (talk)


 * I've told you, you are Delete-On-Sight because of all the stuff you've pulled. AND I've told you how to have that fixed but you didn't listen. Crow  Caw  21:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok I'm honestly gonna listen to you now I will never attempt to create a page linked to "Yung Trace" ever again.-90.196.76.224 (talk)


 * Please give me one more chance it won't happen again-90.196.76.224 (talk)

Sorry
I'm sorry for doing to the Alec Baldwin page but I promised that I will not do anything messy anymore Sorry.-- Henry Walken  talk   — Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Alessandro Esseno new page
Thank you very much! --Arizzium55 (talk) 13:30, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

New Comment
Hi Crow, in response to your labelling my userpage as spam, I have gone in and made some changes in an effort to be more compliant. My apologies, I am new to Wiki. Can you please let me know if this is appropriate now?

Thanks, TopcattNZ (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:CP
Hi there Crow. I think July 9, July 13, and July 14 can be removed from the WP:CP page. I would do it myself, but I have never clerked that page and don't want to mess up. Thanks, -- Diannaa (talk) 17:54, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I cleared July 13-14. July 9 still has some SCV reports open, so can't go yet. We're at -1 day from being able to transclude the whole page, so the 9th looks like a good one to focus on. Crow  Caw  18:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it looks like I meant to say July 8. July 9th is now complete as well, and ready for you to check over. -- Diannaa (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion on Fashion DASH 3
The article is a Botswana stub. I have been creating articles for Botswana as they are few so doing this you are only taking me back, can you please remove the Speedy Deletion I'm working on improving it right now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henry Newman (talk • contribs) 18:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you need to work on it, I suggest using Draft Space for that, i.e. Draft:Fashion DASH 3, where you can work on it with no deadline and no immediate requirements. If it goes in article space, it is expected to have a minimum level of completeness, which this one doesn't have. Also, as a co-founder, you should not be writing about your company at all, see WP:COI. Crow  Caw  18:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply and advice, moving it to draft now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henry Newman (talk • contribs) 18:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Timothy Dwight Hobart
The copyright tag on this article should be removed. The article has been ready for months to return to the board. A problem with following too closely from texasonline.com has been remedied. Thanks, Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, and sorry for the trouble. It looks like the person who tagged the page did not list it at the review page (or it got removed), so nobody's looked at it. Again, apologies for that. I'll see about fast tracking this one. At first glance there are 1 or 2 directly copied sentences, but that doesn't seem sufficient to blank the whole page. Crow  Caw  20:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I corrected any direct copying from the Texasonline.com source.Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:05, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've made a couple of minor tweaks as well. I'll flag at the WP:CP page, as an admin has to do the actual move back of the temp page. This normally happens quickly, but as I mentioned, someone for got to list it there (or the listing got deleted), so it lingered for a lot longer than it should have. Crow  Caw  19:57, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The Girl from Ipanema (Amy Winehouse) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The Girl from Ipanema (Amy Winehouse). Since you had some involvement with the The Girl from Ipanema (Amy Winehouse) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so.  General Ization  Talk   18:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Nick Brewer
Mind taking a look at Nick Brewer--TheCuhaswon23 (talk) 00:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC).
 * Borderline right now. Article needs to meet one of these criteria, and the closest I can match is having one release on a notable label (2 are "needed"). Also, do tread lightly "both" of you... Crow  Caw  21:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I accidentally edited your page today and tried to return everything as it was. Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw that, no worries! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  18:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Crow--TheCuhaswon23 (talk) 11:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion of Draft: Lama Geshe Tenzin Dhargye
Hi there, you deleted my draft page due to a copyright infringement, because I had copied the text from a website. I can understand why Wikipedia is strict about copyright issues - but actually I had the full right to copy the text because I created this website (www.tibetcenter.at) and I also work there! There was only a one-day deadline to object to the deletion, which I missed, because I was offline for a few days. So could you please restore this draft page? Is it possible? Thank you! Luzilla Luzilla Knapp (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. You are correct about Wikipedia being strict on Copyright issues, it is a legal concern that is taken very seriously. The message above the edit box states this quite clearly: Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted.
 * If you are the copyright holder, we do need to do some extra verification before we can let that content remain. Because of the license Wikipedia publishes under, we need some more things done before before we can accept this text. Since Wikipedia releases its content under This Free License (which allows anyone anywhere to use, re-use, modify, parody, sell for a profit, or basically any purpose whatsoever), we must ensure that source material is similarly licensed. While you may be fine this content appearing on Wikipedia, you may not intend it to be changed, sold, or any of the other possibilities that our free license allows.
 * So in order to use this text on Wikipedia, the content must be released under the same license (which allows all those same uses I mentioned). For instructions on how to do that, see This Link. That will entail some emailing to prove the owners of that text are in fact authorizing its release, and confirming they understand what that entails. Note that by so doing, the content you donate is subject to continuous editing by the Wikipedia community. It may be added to, subtracted from, rearranged, illustrated, split into multiple articles, translated into other languages, and otherwise changed beyond your expectations.
 * Thanks for your understanding, Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  17:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Dao2k business
I know i created stuff to do with "Yung Trace" but now i make good contributions and they get deleted. Whats the point.--5.68.229.174 (talk) 14:24, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As I've explained many many many times: Because of all you past behavior, which was all YT related of course, you've become "delete on sight" on enwiki. That means any edits you make can be deleted as they are seen, regardless of where they are or how helpful they may be. As this banner states very well, "the community has decided that the broader problems with a banned user's participation outweigh the benefits of their editing, and their edits may be reverted without any further reason." The only way to undo this is to be unbanned, which is not going to happen here any time soon. I suggest focusing your efforts on Simple Wiki, and develop articles there, and perhaps in a year or so you can apply to be unbanned here if you can show a long pattern of helpful edits there with no further sockpuppeting or even logged-out editing here. I will not tag your articles over there if you agree to this. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  20:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * OK5.68.229.174 (talk) 15:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Baz Persaud etc.
I notice you helped with sorting out Baz Persaud. FWIW I did a search and noticed that Baz Persaud Inc was mentioned in another article, although it wasn't linked from it:

William S. Lerner

that the history of that article shows the same editing pattern as with Baz Persaud, there was creation in sandbox (in this case the User:Spawedspanner account did it), and then the article was created in an unusual way, it was created with a page move using an existing article (John William Goff); I wondered if they were trying to avoid new page patrols or something, or maybe they just didn't know how to create new articles properly; but it's clearly the same person and either way it's certain that it was created via a single purpose sockpuppet, and quite possibly a paid writer, although superficially good, the references don't meet Wikipedia's standards in any way- they're invalid.GliderMaven (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I did notice that creation pattern on the Baz articles - both were created the same way. That it was used to create a previous one now has me keeping my eyes open. I often see weird patterns and wonder if there is a "here's how to sneak a WP article in" type of forums somewhere. A SPI may be useful if this pattern repeats. Keeping notes on this now, thanks for the heads up! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, for sure, SEO forums exist.


 * Actually, there's another article William Lerner, which has survived an AFD with no consensus. The pattern of creation was slightly different to the William S. Lerner article. I had a quick google and checked the references, and from what I can tell, it might be a valid article, it has a different, overlapping set of references and claims. I think it's probably all right to leave that one. One way or another, two articles were created by mistake. Anyway, deleting one seems to have been the correct thing to do anyway although a restore and a merge/redirect might be better.GliderMaven (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Timothy Dwight Hobart
This article has been declared a possible copyright violation for many months; the material in question has been revised many months ago. Can someone remove the copyright tag? Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It takes an admin to move the fixed page, unfortunately. I've mentioned this at the copyright page, and someone should get to it soon. I know this has been blanked since February, but it didn't get listed on the Copyright page until a few weeks ago, so it is in the queue for resolution, but we're heavily backlogged there. Thanks for your patience. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  00:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

NEMA connector
Don't revert him again. I'm opening a 3RR case and we don't want to be guilty too. Jeh (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, I didn't plan to get into an edit war over this. He's new, so I'm trying to explain how disagreements are settled, so perhaps some further discourse should happen before we run off to 3RR? He definitely seems a knowledgeable author in the Electrical field, so likely has much to contribute. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he's a little overeager to make big changes. We'll see what happens now that his block is lifted. Jeh (talk) 08:13, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

SCV Template Switch
This seems as good a place as any, so: Pinging the SCV regulars:

I've added a new switch for Template:SCV for those cases where the tagged version of the article was deleted, only to be recreated anew with no copyright problems. The switch is rec, so rec or Rec displays:


 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Article was deleted and subsequently recreated with no infringing material.  Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  22:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Use it in good health! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw 22:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thank you, ! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems good to me, although admittedly I usually work on the recently reported articles rather than later recreated ones.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice. I think there's a few other common cases which could do with options as well.  Hut 8.5  06:13, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations also needs to be updated. Unfortunately I have no idea how to format the to-be-added text in the edit request there.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Good catch, done! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  17:02, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Reply
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I know. I am being harassed on my talk page. To explain myself... My Envelope and Cookie Uploads were self-created and does not require a license in my mind. For the Tower Cam Of Cheyenne upload, I found that image from a live stream on http://www.cheyenne.org/webcams/ and their license is the default license: "The image may not be plagerized, or stripped of its license. It also may not be altered." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki Zachary (talk • contribs) 21:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Reply
Reply to Unknown Territory (Dick Dale album)|Crow|Thanks for the article!

Hi Crow. Thanks for the kind message. Am trying to do my best. Have been small time editing entries on wikipedia for some years, and have been contributing to several online indexes, but this was my first new wikipedia entry. Later found out that it was no mystery that I couldn't find a way to add a picture, as uploading copyrighted material is solely permitted to accepted contributors (which is a very reasonable decision). As to your question: my source for the information is the actual CD booklet. Should it be added to the source list? Best regards, Claus S., Denmark, Fairplain (talk) 05:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC).
 * Actually, uploading copyrighted materials is not generally permitted to anyone. Wikipedia basically gives itself away for free, so all of the content must be similarly free. Copyrighted stuff is only allowed under very specific circumstances, which you can read about at WP:NFCC. Copyright is a tricky area, so at first it is probably best not to upload anything unless you made it yourself. Feel free to ask me any questions, either here or wherever. If not here, you can "ping" me, like I did to you, which sets off that red Message flag so I see that you're talking to me somewhere. You do that by typing .  Crow   Caw  20:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Reply
Reply to "Pictures"

I would like to have this flag removed from my article. If you have the power, please do so?

Thank you very much!

Gdeydogon (talk) 00:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
It really isn't. If I were to type in Alexander Pavlovic, I don't get anything close to the Aleksandar Pavlović I'm looking for. - A window cleaner me (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone would have a problem with that kind. But can you honestly say that someone looking for Fa Fa will search for Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa (disambiguation)? Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  21:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

It's unlikely, but it is the line in several songs, yes, eight fas in a row. - A window cleaner me (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Even in that case, we usually only link/redirect song lyrics if the song is widely known by that string as its name (Teenage Wasteland) otherwise we would quickly fill up with everyone's pet lyric. But even granting this one, as others have said, making a RD for every conceivable spelling, mis-spelling, and mis-pronunciation of someone's name seems excessive. I'm not asking you to defend every one of them, just to think of the odds of that RD ever being hit. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  21:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, I will be reserved in my choice of redirects. - A window cleaner me (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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Alex Edelman
Thanks for your formatting work - I'm new here and still finding my way around, joined the site as a stand up comedy fan to help create listings and spread information on UK standups. What should I do about my two other articles which are up for deletion?
 * Hi, sorry for the delay in responding! The other 2 articles, as you by now know, are not in immediate danger of deletion now that they have at least one source. As it stands though, there's very little substance to them, so the best thing you can do now is to expand all 3 of them with as much source-able information as you can. The more you can show they are being discussed in other places (magazines, tv, radio, newspapers, and the like) and the more information you can add about them, the less likely someone will be to nominate them for deletion. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  23:17, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

CDEC Gaming
Hello, Crow. You removed the Copyvio tag from CDEC Gaming with the rather cryptic comment "CCBYSA source, and thanks for citing!". I have checked the reports and the claimed vio site, and I just don't understand what you were getting at. I have put the tag back until I can understand why you think this is not a copyvio - could you expand on your reasoning, please?--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind - I found what I presume is the reference (to Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License) hiding right at the bottom of the article. I have reverted my reversion, so the Copyvio tag is gone.  Sorry to bother you.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No bother at all! I welcome it anytime someone wants to double-check anything I've done. Not only is it a head-check for me, but it gives me a chance to learn something, which is never bad. Here, for instance, you are perfectly correct that my edit summary was cryptic, and I will adjust future tags accordingly. Thanks for your vigilance! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  23:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Battle of Corinth Canal
Excuse me sir but I don't think it is copyright if you try to write the story as close to what really happened as possible. I can't write a text that doesn't look anything like my sources, cause the sources need to come together on the page your making. That's why you use them. If that's the logic, every page is copyrighted. "Oh no! One sentence looks to much like one of your sources, better delete your page for trying to tell the truth on your page you created about an event that someone would like to know about, but now he/she will never find it.". If thats the logic then you better delete wikipedia itself because that is one rule you take to far, I mean come on, there's always a sentence people take from their sources and reform it a little bit. If one of your sources would say: "JFK was a Democratic Politician, who became the 35th president of the United States in 1960.". <-- How can you say that in a different way. Would you delete it then to? User:Indylover2010 01:48, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem with the article, and the difference between your JFK example, is that you are using the source's words and creative presentation. Yes there are few other ways to say "JFK was a Democratic politician..." but your text essentially copied the feldgrau.net text. Subsequent revising to change around a couple of words and delete others is a start, but it is still using the forum's "creative aspects of presentation", as well as being closely paraphrased which is another problem. I know it is frustrating and seemingly inconsistent, but it is a legal liability that we don't have much leeway with.
 * I would suggest re-writing (on the page I linked... the tag has to stay until fully evaluated) and just start with the raw facts on the battle. Once they're down, then flesh them out with the various supporting concepts in your own words. Taking that approach will convey the story without using someone else's creative presentation (far better than starting by pasting in their text and then tweaking it to be different). Thanks! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  15:39, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer, I apreciate your input. It's always nicer if someone shares their opinion about something and tells me if somethings wrong. I mostly don't have much time for making or editing pages ecxept on free days, so some of them might be copied to save time before I try to go back to them to change their content and sometimes I can forget them. And I'm sorry if my last message sounded rude, that was not how I meant it to come over. Thanks anyway and I hope I haven't bothered you for to long. User:Indylover2010 18:06, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, and thanks for understanding! I'll be glad to help any way I can, it is never a bother! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  22:46, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * Use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Season's Greetings!!
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Somebody removed this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=French_Bulldog&diff=680322045&oldid=680321893 here as copyvio. Can you check it, please? I am not sure if it's correct, the user got blocked so that makes me uncertain, but is it copivio it must be rewritten. (not removed of course...) Hafspajen (talk) 23:58, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like a close paraphrase of the breed standard, as seen at this. I'm not sure to what extent the matched text is considered creative as opposed to basic and factual. (I know works a lot in horse pages, with similar descriptions, so he may have a better opinion than mine on that). As far as remove vs. rewrite, it is always better to re-write infringing text, of course, so we keep the information. But removing it completely is also ok, as it is better to have copyright violations removed than allowed to linger in the hopes someone will rewrite it. From the IP's edit summary, it looks like a good-faith removal of what they considered a violation. Hope this helps!  Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  01:17, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi,, , and a Happy New Year to you both. For various reasons I'm not really able to be around much at the moment. I don't think there's any doubt that the Best-known-for IP was right to remove that content, added in a lump with on 9 December 2010. On removal/rewriting, my take is this: copyvio must be completely removed; if after that there's then the time and the will to rewrite some non-infringing text, then so much the better. What's not OK is copy-editing the bad text in the hope that it will magically turn good; it won't. Crow, what do you feel about revdeletion here? – my inclination is to go for it. Regards to both, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:28, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanking you sir
I am thankfull to you edit an article drsrihari(actor) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaqwsxs (talk • contribs) 03:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Respected sir, y.srihari is some unknown person, Dr sriehari is a doctor and also guinness book record holder ,pl compare the reference list of both articles,some blocked editors edited article y.srihari, please verify all references of dr sriehari, you cant fine the letter y at any where, it clearly states that both are different articles ,,,pl consider it sir ,we dont know the previous block editors, y.srihari references are different — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooddoctor100 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I never mentioned y.srihari, though the confirmed sock right above this post did, as did Nsmutte. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Sir i am very much interest on this article, please compare the two articles y.srihari and dr sreehari articles. y.srihari article was deleted immediatly, but sreehari article stayed from last 5 months, there is no letter y in sreehari reference list, sir in this list many references you can see, there is no letter y in this references,y.srihari is different from present article,y.srihari article deleted due to nsmutte fake accounts , please compare sir, the mistake is belongs to y.srihari but punishment to dr sreehari...sir please verify the references i am telling again againe there is no letter y in any of the references in current article,y.srihari is different pl understand and help me sir, these two are differennt persons, i can say definely , sir even in news paper reference links also the letter y not mentiond any where, pl help sir , i am requesting you very much because i am very much fan of wikipedia,my article in wikipidia wiht live i am so happy and feel very ..i cant express because wikipedia is worlds great website i am regulare reader of this website from its birth, thanking you sir , nsmutter is fake editor not releted to this current article ,(Gooddoctor100 (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC))


 * Are you Zaqwsxs, who created this same article a few days ago? Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Namcheen double-check
Hi Crow, would you be so kind as to double-check my revdel work at Naamcheen to make sure I got rid of all the copyvio stuff? I'm still a little wonky with the revdels. Thank you, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep looks good! Thanks for the quick response! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  17:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Danke Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Reliable source
Further to your message, I have added a link to a reliable source re the Tony Hall page.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/25/bbc-tony-blackburn-savile-inquiry-evidence-janet-smith

Thanks

TLAS15 (talk) 00:27, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Please refer to my previous message Thanks TLAS15 (talk) 00:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Source or not, that paragraph is pure non-neutral opinion, and cannot be included in that form. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  00:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Quite a spike in that, recently.
Users who try to get around the spam rule by using their own page. Must've seen ten yesterday. Half Shadow  19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess the NOINDEXING of user space hasn't sunk in yet (I didn't even know it was changed till recently!). Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:37, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just do the heavy liftin'. Half  Shadow  19:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Me too (minus one bit), so I don't try to decipher motives too much. I did consider proposing an edit notice for user pages, similar to the "don't put your CV here" that we have now, saying something like "user pages don't get read by google so don't put ads here", but I figure that would just give them ideas to circumvent that. Oh well, whack-a-mole it is, I guess! :) Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  19:57, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

*Facepalm*
Yeah, I had to double check that the Lowercase sigmabot template was the same as the old Misza one; and I did it by checking Brad's. And being and idiot. And doing copypasta wrong. :-) Thanks for the fix before the bot came in and screwed everything up!  :-)  &mdash; Coren (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nyc mop graffiti marker


The article Nyc mop graffiti marker has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * the article is non-notable, unsupported by reliable sources and is a possible promotion of a product

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Ciridae (talk) 08:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok... but why tell me? Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  16:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Temporary fix
Earwig's Copyvio Detector is available for search engine searches again, using a temporary API (Yandex.XML). Hopefully this helps in your new page patrol activities. Best, — Diannaa (talk) 19:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Bio
I wanna add a biography of the rapper phora known as Marco archer please help me! Biowritter07 (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well for starters you don't do that by changing the text on an existing article. That said, do you have sources to demonstrate the notability of Phora? Things like news, magazines, tv or radio appearances, etc? Other things like youtube, instagram, itunes, facebook, twitter, and the like are not the kind of sources needed. If so, the next step would be to click on WP:WIZ and follow the steps there to start a draft article. You can take your time there without danger of it being deleted, then when ready, there's a "Submit" button. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  20:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Removing Speedy Deletion
Crow can you answer this question real quick? This morning, I tagged a new article called 1823 in Singapore for speedy deletion, under the WP:A1 deletion category. However, a little over one hour since it was tagged as speedy deletion, you later removed the speedy deletion template (at 17:20, UTC). I was wondering why you removed it, and how I could possibly handle with a new, very short article, like that one in the future. Thanks! Red olta 22:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, glad to explain. A1 means "no context", which further means "I can't tell what this is supposed to be about at all". I saw it go by on NPP too and had a look. From just what was there, I could immediately tell that it was a very small article about events in Singapore in 1823. That right there means that A1 does not apply. That's the basic test for A1: do you know what the author is trying to write about, even if it is poorly written (or even totally made up or a complete hoax for that matter)? If you can tell what it is supposed to be about, then A1 is out. There could still be other deletion criteria that fit, of course. In this case, none did, and upon checking I found many similar articles about other years in Singapore, so I expanded this one to be similar to them.


 * As far as what to do in the future for very short articles like this, the best advice I can give is: don't look for reasons to delete it, but look for ways to keep it and expand it. If it unquestionably meets a CSD criteria, then it should be tagged of course, but if there's even the hint of doubt, then better to break out Google and see how you can help expand it. In this case, I know very little of Singapore's history, but I could help out by adding headers and categories to make it similar to the other articles covered by List of years in Singapore. I hope this helps! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  23:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message!
Truly appreciate your feedback regarding Limbitless Solutions's potential copyright issues. Have updated the page with your comments in mind, and would welcome further assistance with future articles. I am an avid user, but relatively new to editing and creating pages here! I apologize in advance if this is not the correct area to reply to your message. I have one question for you, how does the "adopting" process work? Would enjoy learning more about how to create and edit content successfully. Thank you, and have a great day. Goodreads5398 (talk) 20:05, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Undo
I had to revert your changes on List_of_router_and_firewall_distributions because of previous vandalism. Please redo you changes or ask me to do it on my talk page. Sorry for the inconveniance.

Joswp (talk) 18:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems your changes are preserved when I undid the vandalism, still probably better to check for yourself.

Joswp (talk) 19:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi and thanks for the note. The edits I made were to remove entries from the list that do not have a WP article. As Wikipedia is not a directory, lists of this particular type tend to only contain entries that have articles. This is to keep the list from becoming a vehicle for promotion of any product that might fit the list. I must point out that your addition is one of the type that I removed, as no article exists for it. It seems that other editors on that page agree that your entry is not appropriate for that list.
 * Also, please do not call those editors' actions "vandalism" - any edit made in good faith is not vandalism. You may disagree with them, but neither your addition nor their removal is "vandalism". The best thing for both sides is to discuss this on the talk page of the article. Continuously reverting each other is only going to get the page locked (at best) or one/both of you blocked (at worst).
 * Lastly, if you have a connection to the subject (and I'm not asking you to confirm this), then our Conflict of Interest guidelines suggest very strongly that you should not be editing pages related to your product. Conversely, our policy on paid editing states that if you receive money as a result of editing here, be it a paycheck from the company or a contractor/consultant fee, you are required to disclose your affiliation (see that link for the specifics).
 * Thanks, I hope this helps. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  00:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, the issue is that this user and a couple of his friends are actually removing content from all over wikipedia. He holds a grudge against OPNsense. The OPNsense page got removed, and perhaps at the time the project was just not mature enough, however now there is no way to get a page online as a small group of people (mainly that one user) is actively battling anyone interrested... for lack of a better word.

As you can see on my talk page I am a contributor to OPNsense but I can't imagine that my love for the project does not allow me to create pages or undo his vandalism.. if so how would wikipedia work? I mean aren't we all interrested in one or another subject, worth writing about?

I have formally warned the user on his talk page several times, and as you can see he did remove the project again. I am sure OPNsense is a FreeBSD based opens source firewall project, it should be on the list...and there should be apage about the subject. Perhaps you would be so kind to investigate his actions and help out to solve this... otherwise users of wikipedia won't be able to see the full list.

I am willing to write a new acrticle for review if that would help. The original author of the latest OPNsense page backed out because of the negative attitude.

Anyway, I know I am asking a lot... but would you be so kind to help out so we can get a ligitimate page back up? Cause if anyone involved with OPNsense can't do it, nobody can as its a community project just as wikipedia so everyone is involved.

Joswp (talk) 05:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Long reply by Crow so sectioned off
I will be glad to assist, but I need you to agree to do a couple of things first:
 * 1) You have to stop labeling Mr Hmmm's edits "vandalism". Like many things on Wikipedia, terms like that have very specific uses, and here "Vandalism" means intentionally trying to damage or disrupt the integrity of the encyclopedia. While you disagree with his removals, you must assume that (right or wrong) he believes he is improving the encyclopedia by removing what he sees (rightly or wrongly) as promotional material. I've looked over his edits, and while he is very fastidious about removing OPNsense references, I've not seen him promoting other products.
 * 2) You also need to stop re-inserting and/or undoing edits to keep OPNsense mentions (for now). I will explain why below, but for now your actions could be seen as disruptive which will only hurt your case for inclusion.

That all said, as I mentioned yesterday, the reason your additions are being removed is mainly due to your article on OPNsense having been deleted as non-notable. (More on "notable" in a moment). Because of that, your additions are seen as re-inserting "non notable" material, which is against our policy on notability, so would always be removed, if not by him, then by potentially any other random patroller. The reason we do this is because, hypothetically, any amateur coder could whip up a product that does X, which would not merit an article of course, so we have to draw the line somewhere.

That somewhere is "Notability", another term that has a very specific definition here. On Wikipedia, "notable" has nothing to do with quality, usefulness, importance, fanbase, or userbase. Here, it simply means "are multiple, reliable, third-party sources that are unrelated to the subject, talking in detail about the topic?" If yes, then we consider it "notable" and an article in one form or another may be appropriate. Now about those qualifiers:
 * Multiple: Notability usually needs coverage by multiple sources. Things like a syndicated news story, which appears in many newspapers, would still only be one source in this context.
 * Reliable: The sources used need to be reliable, meaning they have a reputation for fact checking, peer review, editorial oversight, and the like. This exludes many/most blogs, things with user-generated content like IMDB or forums (and even Wikipedia itself!), and most all social media.
 * Third-party: The sources need to be unrelated and independent from the topic. This excludes press-releases, company web sites, product manuals, and the like. Now, these sources can be used to support claims in the article, but by themselves do not contribute to determining notability.
 * Talking in detail: The coverage has to be of some depth. Passing mentions, a statement like "Company X uses this product", directory-style listings, event sponsorship mentions, and the like would not qualify. Ideally we want news/magazines/journals devoting significant page space to the subject, but it doesn't have to necessarily be that deep. The less deep the coverage, though, the more independent sources will be needed.

So, the above is what is required to keep an article about OPNsense. If an article can be written that satisfies the notability criteria and is published, then it becomes more reasonable to mention it on those other pages. My question to you then is: without starting a new article just yet, can you show me 2-3 sources that fit those above criteria? If so, please link them here and then we can go into the next phase: how to re-create the article so it is not immediately deleted again. I look forward to your response, and thanks! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw 22:29, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

First of all thank you for taking me serious, i was really starting to give up. I accept the terms, please give me a change to prove that the user, we are talking about, did edit the pfSense page, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PfSense&diff=prev&oldid=672354590

Also, he was involved in advocating against pfSense deletion process, bringing M0n0wall, Smoothwall and OPNsense as additional candidates into the process, later helping to make the case to remove OPNsense." https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/PfSense&diff=prev&oldid=673658439

For a FreeBSD-advocating editor, this behaviour can hardly be seen as unbiased and free of further intent.

I will refrain from further mentioning it as suggested, as I beleive it's not relevant in the process of bringing the OPNsense page back.

Here is a list of articles that are IMHO notable (in no particular order):

Joswp (talk) 10:12, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately most of those references do little to establish Notability as Wikipedia requires. I'll break them down:


 * 1) Trivial mention, no analysis or discussion, merely one of hundreds on the list. Would support a claim of "it exists", nothing more.
 * 2) Slightly less trivial mention but still no depth. Would support a claim of "flexible and customizable", but little more.
 * 3) Coverage here is nice and deep, but is not written by an "unrelated" source, so wouldn't count towards notability. It could be used to support some claims, but is essentially a primary source.
 * 4) This is behind a paywall, so I can't evaluate it. What does it say about OPNsense? Any critical analysis of its features, or similar?
 * 5) Weak mention, but may count towards notability if there were numerous others. Insufficient by itself.
 * 6) Trivial mention. "OPNsense uses FreeBSD" is essentially all it says.
 * 7) Weak source. Supports that a FLOSS session focused on it, but given that the guest is a Primary Source, it weakens the independence of the reference.
 * 8) Podcast, generally not a reliable source, though if an entire episode were to feature OPNsense that might count for more.
 * 9) Trivial mention, just a listing.


 * Compare this with the sources given at pfSense. Most of the first dozen sources are quite deep in their coverage, with the product name being called out in the title of the articles. That level of sourcing is what would be needed here. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  21:30, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thats thats very helpfull. However can you explain why 3. is not an unrelated source as the author has no relation with the project at all.Here is a list of other articles he wrote: http://datanews.knack.be/ict/auteurs/jozef-schildermans-895.html

As for 4. that is an extensive article covering multiple distributions and covering 6 pages in total. The article covers Security, Features, Easy of deployement, Paid Services, Support & Documentation, Extenibility & Maintenance, Management Interface and a final conclusion. Each item is scored for the 5 products reviewed (Sophos, IPfire, OPNsense, pfSense & Untange in order of their choice/score).

If I understand it correctly then 3 and 4 should qualify.. I guess you think the author of 3. is the same as the contributor to OPNsense (me).. but you can see that is not the case.. totally different person and no relation to OPNsense whatsoever.

Or is there another reason why its not "unrelated" ? ( My appology if there is and kudo's for explaining it anyway :-) )

I think there should be more qualifying sources, but before I put more time into that I'd like to be sure if 3 and/or 4 qualifies.

Again thank you very much for your help! Joswp (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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Edit: I think I see what happened with 3... it probably got mixed up with 2 as that is a primary source.. If that's the case then would this article help: http://www.diskidee.be/2015/01/05/krachtige-gebruiksvriendelijke-open-source-firewall/37195/

So for the orginal list its down to if 4. qualifies (based on what I told you).

Joswp (talk) 18:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello and yes, I got my numbers mixed a bit. 3 Looks good as one source. 4 may be as well, depending on what claims it is supporting. Certainly being picked 3rd of 5 in that publication's "bake-off" would help. Those 2 are probably enough to start a small draft. Draft articles let you work on them without fear of summary deletion, as long as you keep working on them. (After 6 months without edits, they get deleted). Draft Space is not crawled by search engines, and generally nothing links in to there, so it truly is an incubator for articles.


 * So, I'd say start a small article at Draft:OPNsense. No more than 3 or 4 sentences. Just say what it is, what it does, and maybe a sentence or 2 about statements made in sources 3-4. Important: Since the original article was deleted, if the draft is "substantially identical" it can be re-deleted, even from draft space, so be sure to genuinely start from scratch. The more sources of the depth that 3 and 4 have would be helpful too. I don't know what it takes in the industry to get eyes on a product, but if you are affiliated with the product, making outreaches in that area can only help. Lastly, one concern: you don't have to disclose your identity, but if you are "paid by Deciso", you do need to declare that fact on the talk page of the draft. Thanks! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  18:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

I have created a Draft:OPNsense page and added the note to the talk page. Can you take a look and let me know if it is a good starting point or what needs to be changed? Thank you for your help. Joswp (talk) 10:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * That looks like a good start. I've "wikified" (formatted) some of the text and references. Note, I'm going to be away for a couple of weeks shortly, so will be sporadically online. If you keep collecting reliable references, that would be the next step. If you want to add more to the article, just make sure to keep it very factual and non-promotional. (No superlatives like "best", "world class", or the like. Keep the prose very "dry" for now). I would also not recommend adding a Features section yet. There will be a time for that but we're working on establishing notability at this point, and can go into all the features and how-to's once that is done. And lastly, let's now move the discussion to that draft's talk page now that it exists. That way other users who might have input can see all discussion in a central location. Thanks for the work! Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  17:04, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll keep looking for more reliable references to add. I don't think I will be adding much else to the article just yet. Joswp (talk) 12:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Why is your archive bot messing with my talk page and talk archives? U'S'A 13:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, user error (mine). It puts an "archive" link right next to the link where one would click to see the actual talk page archives. Click the right one and you get the archive page, click the wrong one and, well, you get what happened here. I've since disabled it. Hopefully I left everything where it was supposed to be. Crow <sup style="color:black;"> Caw  22:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive IPs
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