User talk:CryptoDerk/1994USAD

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The nose of the camel. Seems like a sneaky form of vanity. RickK 22:59, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. I haven't even really gotten to start working on these pages. The competition in and of itself is notable, as a search for it (including it's nicknames) on Google turns up tens of thousands of pages for it.  It has involved several hundreds of thousands of high school students in the US since its creation.  I'm not sure why you think this page is vanity, as I wasn't there, nor was my school.  Yes, I did compete in later years, but I'm trying to make pages for all the years, listing curriculum.  I got the idea for this from http://www.b2g5.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1092791176&user=demidec (this URL may not work forever, as they clear their board fairly regularly).


 * People are interested in this history and who won the competitions. I could have created pages for state results, county results, etc. but I didn't because that would have obviously been too much.  Rather, what I'm trying to do is go around and gather what results I can find to compile a comprehensive history of the competition at the highest level.  I was planning on going to a local school later this week as well because I contacted them and found out they had curriculum listings for the past few years as well as national results.  Already I have compiled about 30 pages of information about the various years.


 * Furthermore, I really don't appreciate this being put on VfD so quickly; I would hope that if someone is unsure as to my intentions with this, they would have asked me, not everyone else. CryptoDerk 23:23, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention that teams from Australia and Canada also do decathlon (even though it's called USAD). Also, let me point out some precedence in that we have an article for National Academic Quiz Tournaments, which lists results.  That competition is not as old, nor does it include as many participants, as decathlon.  While my results are a lot larger, they are understandably so.  USAD used to publish entire lists of every medal winner on their website after each national competition -- for an example, see http://aad.gci.net/results.htm -- the 2001 results.  CryptoDerk 23:50, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * Also see William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition which is another competition page that lists results. CryptoDerk 00:21, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * I should expand a bit on what I said about the curriculum. I plan on having the detailed curriculum outline for each year as well.  The curriculum includes well known novels, poetry, artwork, music, etc.  CryptoDerk 00:58, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. Looks like a perfectly reasonable article.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 01:35, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. Looks like a work in progress. -- Allyunion 05:05, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep.. Some kind of "work in progress" tag mightbe appropriate though.--Ianb 06:39, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. This has potential and is not yet finished so if in a couple of months or so there's still no work done to this article, then return it to vfd. Saint will 12:02, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

So all you people who are voting keep will also vote keep when every single one of the kids that will wind up listed on every single one of these gets their own article? RickK 18:51, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * of course not - unless they're from Dartmouth College. ;-) --Ianb 19:10, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Agree with RickK. Now is the time to be hitting the camel with a stick. Not when we've got a whole series of these things. Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 05:30, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I never announced any intention to create a page about each of the people that are listed. With these articles I only intend to follow precedence of other well established articles, such as the ones I've listed above.  I thought if I did that there would be no reason to cry foul.  I guess not. CryptoDerk 12:12, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
 * Instead, we have redlinks for all of the non-notable high schools. RickK 19:32, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Fine. I agree, the redlinks shouldn't be there.  I have removed them.  I may add a link to a school in the main article when I get around to writing about cheating controversies.  There have been some interesting events, one of which HBO made a movie about.  CryptoDerk 19:50, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Abstain: I've been thinking about it and thinking about it, and all I can come up with is this: Of all these sorts of things, this is the best I've seen.  The author does not redlink the names.  The author isn't proposing a spiderweb.  That said, I'm always in favor of master articles, and not individual ones.  I'd rather see United States Academic Decathlon with sections on the various years than to see isolated articles.  I could not vote delete, when hundreds of similar list-like articles are dreadfully done, with every name a redlink, and written about much less notable subjects, but I cannot vote keep with my own dislike for break outs for recurring events. Geogre 14:59, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Putting this information in the main article is doable, but I worry about it getting too large. Once all the information is collected and wikified, then we can distribute it accordingly.  Seven of the 10 subjects change every year.  My main reason for doing it this way is because there are two types of people who would look up this information 1) people who want to just know about USAD as a whole (those who would look at the main article) and 2) people who want to know what school from their state has won historically or who the highest scorer from each year was (those who would look at the year-by-year pages.
 * That being said, I do intend to incorporate some of this information into the main article, including the overall theme for each year, and perhaps "trivia" such as the highest scores of all time, etc. Thanks for your comments.  CryptoDerk 20:02, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep, should be listed on Cleanup, not VfD. ··gracefool |&#9786; 10:04, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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