User talk:Cryptoline

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White Marc Bouwer dress of Angelina Jolie
Can you please start reading sources before you go blindly removing things from the article claiming they are incorrect? You twice removed the Cosmo quote saying it was actually a Vogue quote - it wasn't; the two sources happened to say similar things about the gown. Now you're removing the Girl Interrupted dress claiming it was Versace when there are no sources saying it was Versace, and a source already in the article saying it was Bouwer. Here are a few other sources which say it was Bouwer:,. If you have sources which dispute this, please post them here so they can be evaluated. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We cannot simply contact Bouwer's showroom and ask them, that would be original research and is not how Wikipedia operates. It also begs the question of how you know this - are you an employee of Bouwer's company? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I know the brand well, I was coming in to clean up the page as it was being sourced for info.  In terms of the Cosmopolitan, the wording is very similar to Vogue and the citation link does not work on my end or at least the visual content was removed, but the source does exist, so sorry for removing it. I updated with the Vogue and added the André Leon Talley citation as well which you removed. Not sure why you did that?
 * The 2000 Oscar dress has been cited prior as Versace, Marc Bouwer has never publicized the dress. Cryptoline (talk) 19:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The Talley removal is my error; I thought it was the same thing you had been trying to add in the earlier edit. It was also added in the middle of a sentence about Harper's Bazaar, so I assumed it was a mistake on your part. I've placed it back in now.
 * As for the 2000 dress - please find a source which says Versace, because I can find multiple ones that say it was Bouwer, and in my search I did not find any that say her 2000 Oscars dress was Versace. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, tried a different search and found contemporary reports on Newspapers.com that say Versace. I'm going to remove it wholesale then, there's no point mentioning it if it isn't a Bouwer dress at all. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks Cryptoline (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I added 2 sources, you can delete all of the content relating to that dress if you agree.
 * https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/angelina-jolie-red-carpet-style-201436/ Cryptoline (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah I don't see much point in mentioning it here if it's not the same designer, there's no other connection. I've added the 2012 Oscars Versace dress to the see also as it has its own article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)