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Forsyth's speedy deletion
Forsyth's is officially one of the most important buildings in Edinburgh, and from any number of perspectives - architectural, sculptural, social - it deserves its own wikipedia page. I was astounded it did not have. Perhaps you could explain your arguments for speedy deletion. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delfin Le Dauphin (talk • contribs) 18:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello I have removed the speedy deletion tag based on your comment after doing a search. It was added because there is no claim of notability in the article and no references.
 * You need to establish why is notable and provide references with in-depth coverage of the subject by multiple independent reliable sources. If you don't know how to add references, this guide might be helpful: Help:Referencing for beginners. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

How to thank in wikipedia ?
Since I don't know how to thank people in Wikipedia (as you did for me about the Coriolis force article), I thank you here for thanking me. If you could explain to me how to do I would be grateful Carlo Colussi (talk) 14:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello My pleasure. Just go to the view history tab and you will notice that at the end of each edition entry there is a "Thank" blue link. Just click it. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 20:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Una circunstancia inesperada
Hola Crystallizedcarbon:

Te escribo este mensaje para comentarte que últimamente he estado establecido la fórmula de consenso en los artículos de políticos catalanes. Y en todos los artículos a los que les apliqué el consenso, utilicé este resumen de edición: ''the country of citizenship of the subject should not be removed from the lead for ideological reasons. The consensus formula should be used: "Spanish politician from Catalonia''

Pero sucedió algo que me ha dejado un poco preocupando: un administrador llamado Czar me ha dejado el siguiente mensaje en mi página de discusión:

''Hello. What guideline are you referencing to make these mass changes across dozens of biographies? MOS:CONTEXTBIO states to use the region most commonly used in reliable sources and for individuals in the periof of the Civil War, this most often was "Catalan" not "Spanish".''

En ese momento lo que pensé hacer fue responderle con el último resumen de edición que tú usaste en el artículo de Antoni Gaudí:

''This is a consensus solution. MOS states that the country of origin should be used in the intro. The Spanish from Catalonia or Catalan from Spain was proposed in an RfC on the matter as a intermediate solution''

Eso fue lo que le puse por respuesta, pero no sé si con eso haya sido suficiente para convencerlo, porque como tú mismo me dijiste, eso no es un consenso escrito. Por eso pensé que esa sería la mejor respuesta que podía darle. Pero aún así quisiera preguntarte, si no es mucha molestia, si tú podrías por favor comunicarte con ese administrador (teniendo en cuenta que eres un usuario más experimentado que yo) para confirmarle eso. Además, también me preocupa realmente que puedan bloquearme en caso de que mi respuesta no haya logrado convencer a ese administrador... ¿Tú crees que puedan bloquearme por eso? Te agradecería sí pudieras responderme. De antemano, muchas gracias. Aziyade Gil (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest. Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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Lynbrook Highschool
Yo stop reverting the Lynbrook Highschool Wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1150:778F:A0F6:DC6:4573:F2A8 (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Please stop vandalizing the page. If you wish to edit constructively you may do so, however if you continue to vandalize you will be blocked. Taxin 609  ( Talk To Me ) 21:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Please remember that if you post in my talk page and you do not ping or cite another user or IP, even if indented, the message seems to be directed to me. I am assuming that the message above was directed to  and not to me. right? Regards --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes it was, sorry about that. Taxin 609  ( Talk To Me ) 21:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's what I thought, just clarifying. Cheers and keep up the good work. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
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he is a landlord
https://pfds.opensecrets.org/N00025284_2017.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.115.31 (talk) 18:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read our policy on original research. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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Correcting Age
Hi, for Melanie Chandra's profile, the AP article age contradicts age listed in several press articles, including most recent (June 8 2022) Harper's Bazaar: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a40207988/six-indian-american-women-who-are-charting-their-own-creative-path/ KRs21SK (talk) 22:33, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello can you please provide links to those other press articles. The source you cited only gives the age which would allow to determine the year, but it does not give the date. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:32, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * sure thing!
 * https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160104/entlife/160109705/ (has her listed as 29 in age on Jan 2016, which supports her being 36 currently, thus a birth year of 1986).
 * The following sites support this birth year and provide the birth date:
 * https://www.tvguidetime.com/actress/melanie-chandra-height-weight-net-worth-age-birthday-wikipedia-who-instagram-biography-337418.html
 * https://prabook.com/web/melanie.kannokada/2064279
 * https://thepersonage.com/melanie-chandra/
 * https://wikinbio.com/melanie-chandra/
 * https://www.celebsfacts.com/melanie-chandra/
 * https://www.listal.com/melanie-kannokada
 * https://deadorkicking.com/melanie-kannokada-dead-or-alive/
 * https://happyhappybirthday.net/en/age/melanie-kannokada-person_gqeeylu
 * https://starsunfolded.com/melanie-chandra/
 * https://www.celebrityhow.com/melanie-kannokada-age-height-weight-husband-net-worth-bio/ KRs21SK (talk) 21:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you The Daily Herald is a reliable source. Since we have two, we can justify the year, the rest of the links are not reliable sources, but I was able to find a local newspaper that lists both and could be valid: Today in History: Today is Monday, Feb. 28, the 59th day of 2022. Please feel free to change the date using that link along with the Harper's Bazaar as references to source it. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, will do. Thank you! KRs21SK (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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Chris Kempczinski
Hello. I hope you are well. I am an editor with a COI with McDonalds and other Wikipedia pages connected to McDonalds, including that of the company’s CEO, Chris Kempczinski. I recently posted an edit request to Talk:Chris_Kempczinski. Since you are on the list of participants in the WikiProject_Brands/Members, I thought you might be interested in taking a look at my edit request, and hopefully implementing it if you believe the edits enhance the article. Thanks for your consideration, MattMcDonalds (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please see Talk:Chris Kempczinski. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:52, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, Crystallizedcarbon!


Happy New Year! Crystallizedcarbon, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Happy New Year, Crystallizedcarbon!


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Gurbaksh Chahal Page
Is there a reason why the page that you helped control to status quo Gurbaksh Chahal has been massively edited negatively again by User:Chisme after you and others had warned him for not trying to add negative content and removing positive content back to the page?

It is clear with all of the warnings he has received, that he is clearly getting paid for this task. Please look into this and help revert his changes.

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61.238.106.82 (talk) 11:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Despite what the Hong Kong IP asserts (Hong Kong being where the subject lives), nobody pays me to edit Wikipedia articles. All my edits are voluntary, not mercenary. I've kept an eye on the article in question because so many attempts have been made over the years to white-wash it. Chisme (talk) 21:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * So Chisme attacks the very user who just informed Crystallizedcarbon of disruptive edits on this page that you have been told many times not to disrupt. However, when the page is not being monitored by that many other editors, you continue to re-add your negative context to the page, over and over. You are aware that Wikipedia does not conceal your edit history or previous editors' warnings about editing on this page? Perhaps other editors should get involved again to look into your disruptive practices on this subject over the years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 13:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * All contributions I make to Wikipedia are documented from reliable sources. I have written and edited articles on Wikipedia for many years. I do not engage in "disruptive practices" or "disruptive edits." Crystallizedcarbon alerted me to your comment on this page, which is why I responded to your initial comment. Case closed. Chisme (talk) 00:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * You have a history of disruptive editing to this page that dates back to 2014. And the user talk pages share only your account that has continuously advocated for either removing content and adding negative content to your liking.

Case Opened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gurbaksh_Chahal/Archive_1

https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Chisme&page=Gurbaksh+Chahal&max=500&server=enwiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * While we're on the subject of your "disruptive" editing practices, your major change began in (Banning by Twitter of BNN accounts), so much so that you dedicated an entire section to banning a "set of Twitter accounts" to as much importance as "Personal Life and "Career." While there is no mention of BNN on the Career or Intro pages to begin with to qualify for that "weight". That was the start of your disruptive practices, which began on July 2nd of this year and then you continued to delete content and add negative content in the months that followed. The previous link, which dates back to 2014, details the history of your disruptive practices.

https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Chisme&page=Gurbaksh+Chahal&max=500&server=enwiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 17:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Please remember to assume good faith. You can be critical with the contributions of other editors, but you should never resort to personal attacks. Hello  I removed the content you added based on the court ruling as it is a primary source and its direct use is discouraged. If it is covered by a reliable secondary source in the future it could be added back. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Crystallizedcarbon All of the new edits from are still there. You should revert back to your edit which was https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurbaksh_Chahal&oldid=1101575541, as it was only then the disruptive edits began from, you can see from yourself on the edit history and his prior history that I have already shared.

-https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurbaksh_Chahal&action=history

-https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Chisme&page=Gurbaksh+Chahal&max=500&server=enwiki

-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gurbaksh_Chahal/Archive_1


 * I am sorry If there are no serious issues I prefer to not get involved again in this article as in the past it has taken a lot of my time. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually there are serious issues now, Chisme, has added all of his negative comments to the already controversial Domestic Violence section that was in status quo for years. And further removed the status quo of Personal Life, Career.
 * I believe as an independent neutral editor that helped achieve the status quo, it's only fair to revert it back to it, rather than achieve the negative rhetoric. 61.238.106.82 (talk) 12:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear

As I've just seen the changes now, I believe you missed out the key changes that were "added" by, as part of his long-history of adding to this page in this topic. As already shown in disruptive edit history, his only mandate has been to magnify these changes over 10 years. https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Chisme&page=Gurbaksh+Chahal&max=500&server=enwiki

You can see for yourself the changes for the status quo of July 31, 2022 and the changes he altered shortly after that.

July 31, 2022 Edition by Crystallizedcarbon

Domestic violence and battery conviction

In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend.[74] Chahal proclaimed his innocence[75] but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery.[76] He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service.[76] Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne[77][78] (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne).[79][80]

In 2016, after he committed acts of domestic violence against a second woman, the San Francisco County Superior Court found Chahal guilty of violating the terms of his September 2014 probation.[81] The court sentenced him to one year in jail; he resigned from his position as CEO of Gravity4.[81] The California State Appeals Court upheld the verdict in April 2018[82] and Chahal served six months in San Francisco County Jail.[83]

After a lengthy debate on not changing to this disruptive editing, Chisme added edits after July 31.

Domestic violence and battery conviction

Chahal was arrested in 2013 and charged with 45 felonies following an attack on his then-girlfriend.[76] Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half hour period.[77][78]

In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend.[79] The video of the incident was ruled inadmissable in the case as there had been no warrant for its seizure.[78] Chahal proclaimed his innocence[80] but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery.[81] He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service.[81] Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne[82][83] (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne).[84][85]

In 2016, after he committed acts of domestic violence against a second woman, the San Francisco County Superior Court found Chahal guilty of violating the terms of his September 2014 probation.[86] The court sentenced him to one year in jail; he resigned from his position as CEO of Gravity4.[86] The California State Appeals Court upheld the verdict in April 2018[87] and Chahal served six months in San Francisco County Jail.[88]

Also, the @BNNBreaking Twitter accounts appear to be back; is it worth having Chisme edit this page so that an entire section, normally reserved for "Career" or "Personal Life," is dedicated to discussing Twitter accounts for a company that is not even mentioned in his entire bio...and are now back?


 * P.P.S., since it's quite obvious of 's pattern that we've seen and his hatred for the subject. It will be quite amusing for you to keep the BNN reference up, as I'm hoping you look at this a form of neutrality.

Here are just a few instances I found of "Wikipedia" Pages using subject's BNN Network as a "reference", when creating Wikipedia's page. I think maybe that might be enough to just state the intent behind every edit of 's 10 year edit history associated with this page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2023 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Fallecidos_en_febrero_de_2023

Also adding on this thread, as I believe after reading the archives, he has informed  of his disruptive practices on the page, and has told him to stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I have removed the Twitter ban on BNN news section. It may warrant inclusion if BNN news is a notable part (covered by multiple reliable sources) of the subject's career. If so a subsection should be added to the career section for BNN news with the content from the sources and then the ban could be appended back there. I removed it just because it does not merit a section and would need additional context within the career section if BNN News is indeed a notable part of his career. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Re-reading, I still stand by my comments from 2018 and wonder why this essentially reversed back to the state it was in mid conflict. As in 2018, the whole "117" thing doesn't deserve a spot in the article unless strong consensus is formed -- of which it appears none has been to my knowledge for any of the re-additions -- given that it is only "allegedly" and never used/proven in court. We aren't in the business of being sensational. I hate to see history repeating itself; this is a quagmire I thought was behind us, as I am sure you did as well Crystallizedcarbon. When it comes to BNN specifically, I have no real opinion here. The SandDoctor  Talk 06:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia edit
Why cant Jake be added to this??? He's from brisbane so shouldn't he be on here? Woni3verse (talk) 18:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello this edit has some problems. First, you inserted an empty ref at the top, second you added an external link in the body of the article which is also wrong. Even if you wanted to use it as a reference it does not meet the independent reliable source requirements. To add Jake, he should first have a page here so notability is established. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * oh I see, I find it kind of unfair. I understand though, Only one member of Enhypen has a page here. I will keep this stuff in mind for future edits I make, thank you very much!! Woni3verse (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding. I have left you a welcome message with some useful links. If you have any doubts, please feel free to ask. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits to Gurbaksh Chahal Page
, Creating a separate thread to let you know of this disruptive edits from.

July 31, 2022 Status Quo by Crystallizedcarbon

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurbaksh_Chahal&oldid=1101575541

Domestic violence and battery conviction

In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend.[74] Chahal proclaimed his innocence[75] but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery.[76] He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service.[76] Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne[77][78] (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne).[79][80]

In 2016, after he committed acts of domestic violence against a second woman, the San Francisco County Superior Court found Chahal guilty of violating the terms of his September 2014 probation.[81] The court sentenced him to one year in jail; he resigned from his position as CEO of Gravity4.[81] The California State Appeals Court upheld the verdict in April 2018[82] and Chahal served six months in San Francisco County Jail.[83]

Edits of Domestic violence and battery conviction Section by Chisme

Chahal was arrested in 2013 and charged with 45 felonies following an attack on his then-girlfriend.[76] Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half hour period.[77][78]

In August 2013, the San Francisco District Attorney's Office (SFDA) charged Chahal with committing acts of domestic violence against his girlfriend.[79] The video of the incident was ruled inadmissable in the case as there had been no warrant for its seizure.[78] Chahal proclaimed his innocence[80] but nevertheless entered into a no contest plea to one charge of domestic violence battery and one charge of battery.[81]

He was sentenced to three years' probation, ordered to pay a fine, and compelled to undergo a 52-week domestic violence training course along with 25 hours of community service.[81] Subsequently, he was fired from his position as CEO of RadiumOne[82][83] (Chahal alleged that his guilty plea was coerced by the board of RadiumOne).[84][85]

After 10 years, Chisme continues to add disruptive edits to this page, by adding material that has already been removed by previous administrators.


 * Here was Chisme additions between your "status quo" changes, by adding:

Chahal was arrested in 2013 and charged with 45 felonies following an attack on his then-girlfriend.[76] Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half hour period.[77][78]

The video of the incident was ruled inadmissable in the case as there had been no warrant for its seizure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.238.106.82 (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding,, to showcase how Chisme's disruptive edits have not changed. Please restore to status quote version of July 31, 2022. 61.238.106.82 (talk) 17:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * (duplicate answer to duplicate thread) I have removed the Twitter ban on BNN news section. It may warrant inclusion if BNN news is a notable part (covered by multiple reliable sources) of the subject's career. If so a subsection should be added to the career section for BNN news with the content from the sources and then the ban could be appended back there. I removed it just because it does not merit a section and would need additional context within the career section if BNN News is indeed a notable part of his career. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As far as the domestic violence section I prefer to leave it to other users to determine. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I need to remind you one more time to please asume good faith of other users. Chisme has a long history of contributions to this project. You may be critical with his edits using arguments, but please avoid doing personal attacks. Please notice that all your edits with this IP have had this article as their single purpose. Please review WP:SPA. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Your intervention today in Societat Civil Catalana - English version
You will see that another editor deletes systematically texts I introduce just because they do not please him. You restored it rightly today at 20:16 but "95.17.250.138" deleted it again and thus against your restoration. What can we do in these circumstances?

Mariano 211 Mariano211 (talk) 22:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello If the IP continues edit warring I will ask for semi-protection of the page. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I really appreciate your efforts because what IP is doing is simply intolerable and damages Wikipedia reputation. What does ‘semi protection’ mean exactly? 2A02:A03F:643B:D100:C813:15C1:53F5:33E9 (talk) 09:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have answered to both of you yet you don't reply anything and don't want to discuss anything. You keep removing reliable sources and don't want to provide political context for an organisation is prominently political. I have provided explanations in the talk page and you don't want to answer anything. Mariano keeps edit warring and instead of going to the talk page he removes content, multiple times. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please go the Talk Page and you will see my detailed answers Mariano211 (talk) 10:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition, my last edits yesterday evening contained already a quite detailed explanation of why I was introducing the changes Mariano211 (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Crystallizedcarbon, I'll take care of the references in the right form over the weekend. Thanks! Mariano211 (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You will see that I did as suggested, but IP immediately deleted my text and introduced another one disqualyfing my sources, today at 16:42. It seems like IP is in possession of the truth/Wikipedia and he/she behaves as a censor of the opinions and sources he simply dislikes. What can we do to avoid this situation? thanks for your help! Mariano211 (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello you can add content and then reference it from the reliable sources, making sure to provide due attribution and keeping balance. The points within activism are not the right place as it is just a list. You may want to neutralize the last paragraph of the section where it presents only the view of ERC by presenting alternative views with attribution.

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Regarding recent edits
Kindly explain the guidelines violated by me or any type of vandalism done. Don't make false allegations and accuse falsely. You don't own Wikipedia, I have not made any false edits or not added any false information nor violated any guidelines. I have just updated the page to look better with accurate information. Anonymous copy (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello : Union territory should not be capitalized and I have never seen the term megacity used in the info boxes.I appologize because it was hasty to assume you were vandalizing. I believe you edited in good faith, so I have removed the warning from your talk page. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * See the pages of Mumbai, Chennai, Bengaluru, Kolkata. Megacity is used in info boxes only. Anonymous copy (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Edit on (Delhi) page
I just edited Delhi's settlement from city to Megacity, Delhi's population is way more than 10 million. Isn't Delhi a megacity, and what type of vandalism did it cause to Wikipedia. I will make sure not to make any further contributions to Wikipedia and stop making donations to Wikipedia. Thanks for showing your true bossy nature Mr. Crystallizedcarbon. Even issued me a warning. Anonymous copy (talk) 17:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello : Union territory should not be capitalized and I have never seen the term megacity used in the info boxes.I apologize because it was hasty to assume you were vandalizing. I believe you edited in good faith, so I have removed the warning from your talk page. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See the pages of Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata. Megacity is used in info boxes. Anonymous copy (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Regaring recent edits
I have checked you have reverted all my edits without even verifying the facts. Now on wards I commit not to make any contributions to Wikipedia and not to donate money to Wikipedia. I have made all my edits after verifying all the facts. I do know that any false edits made by me may lead to consequences such as losing of editing rights. Thanks for your true face. Anonymous copy (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Right. As I said above, it was my mistake about Megacity. You also capitalized "union territory". That does not constitute vandalism and that is why I removed the warning. Sorry again. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How is capitalizing "Union Territory" an act of Vandalism. and if you realize that you were wrong about megacity then you must correct it by yourself, that is what is expected from your side. Please make the correction or publish my edit. Anonymous copy (talk) 18:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding recent edit
Have you ever seen Capital City of [Particular province] written on info box. Similar cities to Lucknow contain "Metropolis" in their infobox and you reverted that too. Even minor edits cannot be made by normal user ? Anonymous copy (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * and regarding Nestle India headquarters even with respect to the given source (moneycontrol) the edit done by me is absolutely correct and I am shareholder of Nestle India so after seeing the reports sent by the company (which contained address of headquarters) is exactly what I edited with complete address and you reverted that edit as well. Anonymous copy (talk) 18:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Please review our policy on verifiability. Even if you, personally, know that the information you added is correct, it needs to be referenced to a reliable source to avoid doing original research. Please feel free to add it back together if you can find that new address published in a reliable source. If you need help on how to reference you can let me know and I will give you a hand. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * you can check out the existing source (money control). Even I have cross checked everywhere from company's report to products, the headquarters of Nestle (India) are located at 100/101 World Trade Centre, Barakhamba Lane, Delhi 110001 in Delhi, India. Even in the existing reference it is clearly mentioned. Anonymous copy (talk) 20:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear User:Crystallizedcarbon and [Gurbaksh Chahal. These edits have altered the content significantly, adding undue negative emphasis and removing positive information that balanced the article. I kindly request your intervention to revert the page to the version as of July 31, 2022, which represented a balanced view reached through consensus. _Chahal&diff=1229991410&oldid=1101575541 cur] prev 19:21, 31 July 2022 Crystallizedcarbon ([User talk:Crystallizedcarbon/talk]] | contribs) 57,904 bytes ''-1,185'"' "Restored an old revision of this page, as edited by Vanisaac (talk | contribs) at 21:28, 27 July 2022. The status quo version was a hard to reach consensus that required very long discussions. Any change to this highly controversial point must also be reached by consensus first on the talk page." "[I:Special: Tags|Tag]l: [l: Help:Reverting#Manual reverting|Manual revert]]".
 * [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gurbaksh_

Summary of Negative Edits Added:
＝=＝=Infobox：==
 * ''2022 Version:"' Did not include "Criminal charges: Domestic violence battery."

Lead Section:

 * Legal issues involving violence against women were introduced prominently in the opening lines, giving undue weight to these aspects.

Domestic Violence Section:

 * Detailed and graphic descriptions of the alleged incidents of domestic violence were added after already being reversed by User:TheSandDoctor and others.

BNN Breaking Section:

 * A dedicated section to I[BNN Breaking]] was added, giving undue prominence to this event while creating its own Wikipedia page.

Subject: Request for Reversion of Disruptive Edits on Gurbaksh Chahal Wikipedia Page
Dear User:Crystallizedcarbon and User:TheSandDoctor,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to bring to your attention several disruptive edits made to the Wikipedia page of Gurbaksh Chahal. These edits have altered the content significantly, adding undue negative emphasis and removing positive information that balanced the article. I kindly request your intervention to revert the page to the version as of July 31, 2022, which represented a balanced view reached through consensus.


 * cur prev 19:21, 31 July 2022‎ Crystallizedcarbon (talk | contribs)‎ 57,904 bytes −1,185‎ Restored an old revision of this page, as edited by Vanisaac (talk | contribs) at 21:28, 27 July 2022. The status quo version was a hard to reach consensus that required very long discussions. Any change to this highly controversial point must also be reached by consensus first on the talk page. Tag: Manual revert.

Infobox:

 * 2022 Version: Did not include "Criminal charges: Domestic violence battery."

Lead Section:

 * Legal issues involving violence against women were introduced prominently in the opening lines, giving undue weight to these aspects.

Domestic Violence Section:

 * Detailed and graphic descriptions of the alleged incidents of domestic violence were added after already being reversed by User:TheSandDoctor and others.

BNN Breaking Section:

 * A dedicated section to BNN Breaking was added, giving undue prominence to this event while creating its own Wikipedia page.

Removed Positive Content:

 * Gravity4: Simplified details about the company's achievements and innovations.


 * Removed Content: "Gravity4's main area of business was gathering useful customer data regarding their user experience to allow marketers to improve their ad targets. This company also started working in the AI sector and launched a marketing cloud for blockchain."

Added Negative Content - Edits by User: Chisme

 * Domestic Violence Section:


 * Added specific details about the number of times Chahal allegedly hit his girlfriend and the inadmissible video footage.


 * Added Content: "Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half-hour period."

Added Negative Content:

 * BNN Breaking Section:


 * Dedicated a section to BNN Breaking, separate already from its negative Wikipedia page created.


 * Added Content: "In 2022, Chahal founded the now-defunct news website and aggregator BNN Breaking in Hong Kong. The website was subject to several controversies regarding the accuracy of its reporting, and all of its accounts were suspended from Twitter in June 2022 for violations of the site's policy on spam and platform manipulation. As of March 2024, Google appeared to no longer show search results for the website. The BNN website was deleted and moved to the website TrimFeed. Trimfeed was closed after The New York Times informed Chahal they were doing a report on BNN."

Added Negative Content:

 * Infobox


 * Added Criminal charges: Domestic violence battery to Infobox


 * Added Content: "In 2022, Chahal founded the now-defunct news website"

Added Negative Content:

 * Lead Section:


 * Introduced legal issues involving violence against women prominently in the opening sentences.


 * Added Content: "However, legal issues involving violence against women have resulted in his removal from two of his businesses.."

Added Negative Content:

 * BNN Breaking Section:


 * Updated the section with details about controversies and the suspension of Twitter accounts.


 * Added Content: "The website was subject to several controversies regarding the accuracy of its reporting, and all of its accounts were suspended from Twitter in June 2022 for violations of the site's policy on spam and platform manipulation."

Gravity4:

 * 2022 Version: "Gravity4's main area of business was gathering useful customer data regarding their user experience to allow marketers to improve their ad targets. This company also started working in the AI sector and launched a marketing cloud for blockchain."


 * 2022 Version: "The company further launched two main applications named MonaChain and MonaBrowse that aimed to target fraud and ad blockers."

Philanthropy and Honors: Edits by User: Chisme

 * 2022 Version: "In 2012, after the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting, he committed US$1 million to found BeProud (since renamed to Chahal Foundation), a charitable foundation that supports the families of hate crime victims and combats child trafficking in India."

Domestic Violence Section Edits by User: Chisme

 * Added detailed and graphic descriptions of the incidents.


 * Added Content: "Video footage of the assault, taken by a camera in Chahal's bedroom ceiling, showed Chahal smothering the woman with a pillow and hitting and kicking her 117 times over a half-hour period."

Given these changes, it is clear that there has been a pattern of disruptive editing aimed at highlighting negative aspects of Gurbaksh Chahal's life while removing or minimizing his career achievements and contributions. I kindly request that the page be reverted to the version as of July 31, 2022, which can be found here: July 31, 2022 version.

Thank you for your attention to this matter and for your efforts in maintaining the integrity and neutrality of this Wikipedia page. 103.139.133.12 (talk) 13:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I removed the mention of the criminal record from the infobox and the reference in the first paragraph as I think both are undue. The additional source information included in the criminal charges section I think is OK. For the positive content removed, the gravity4 content was sourced by a blog so removal was also warranted. For the philanthropy please provide the diff of the removals to check. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 08:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:Crystallizedcarbon for your prompt response and for taking action to address the recent disruptive edits on the Gurbaksh Chahal Wikipedia page.
 * I appreciate your removal of the mention of the criminal record from the infobox and the first paragraph, as I agree that these references were undue.
 * Regarding the removal of positive content, I acknowledge your point about the Gravity4 content being sourced from a blog, which warrants its removal. For the philanthropy section, I will provide the relevant diffs for your review.
 * I also reviewed your earlier intervention on the page, particularly your comments from March 14, 2023 (link):
 * "I have removed the Twitter ban on BNN news section. It may warrant inclusion if BNN news is a notable part (covered by multiple reliable sources) of the subject's career. If so a subsection should be added to the career section for BNN news with the content from the sources and then the ban could be appended back there. I removed it just because it does not merit a section and would need additional context within the career section if BNN News is indeed a notable part of his career. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)"
 * Now, it seems that a dedicated paragraph has been added, and the same contributors have also created a separate BNN Breaking page that is completely negative and does not even meet Wikipedia's standards, particularly the notability criteria for having its own page. I kindly ask you to review this section again at your convenience.
 * Additionally, in line with the same discussion, User:TheSandDoctor, whom I also reached out to regarding this issue, previously expressed concerns about the re-addition of certain content by Chisme. This content had been removed since 2018, yet it has been reinstated without proper consensus:
 * "Re-reading, I still stand by my comments from 2018 and wonder why this essentially reversed back to the state it was in mid conflict. As in 2018, the whole '117' thing doesn't deserve a spot in the article unless strong consensus is formed -- of which it appears none has been to my knowledge for any of the re-additions -- given that it is only 'allegedly' and never used/proven in court. We aren't in the business of being sensational. I hate to see history repeating itself; this is a quagmire I thought was behind us, as I am sure you did as well Crystallizedcarbon. When it comes to BNN specifically, I have no real opinion here. TheSandDoctor Talk 06:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)"
 * Given these observations, I believe it is essential to revert the page to a version that reflects a balanced and neutral view, achieved through consensus, rather than one dominated by sensational and potentially biased content.
 * Thank you once again for your attention and efforts in maintaining the integrity and neutrality of this Wikipedia page.
 * Best regards, 203.95.220.74 (talk) 06:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * P.S. Just did a quick Google Search. Here is more information on Gravity4 from well-known publications. As you can see, the current edit by Chisme was reduced to two sentences, with the third appearing to be related to a lawsuit that never materialized. This content seems to have been added for sensationalism by Chisme, while removing other content about the firm.
 * The Wall Street Journal
 * The Drum
 * South China Morning Post
 * AdExchanger
 * Reuters
 * Mumbrella
 * Fusões & Aquisições
 * 203.95.220.74 (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear User:Crystallizedcarbon and User:TheSandDoctor,
 * I urge you to monitor this page closely, as it appears to be subject to ongoing disruptive edits. Notably, your June 25th revision removing "undue" content from the infobox lead was subsequently reverted by User:Amigao, who has, as previously highlighted, been vandalizing this page since March 2nd, 2024.
 * cur prev 22:21, 30 June 2024‎ Amigao talk contribs‎ 65,858 bytes +375‎ Rescuing 2 sources and tagging 0 as dead.) #IABot (v2.0.9.5 Tag: IABotManagementConsole [1.3]
 * cur prev 22:15, 30 June 2024‎ Amigao talk contribs‎ 65,483 bytes +45‎ →‎Domestic violence and battery conviction: more reliable sourcing Tag: Visual edit
 * cur prev 22:09, 30 June 2024‎ Amigao talk contribs‎ 65,438 bytes +94‎ additional context and citation Tag: Visual edit
 * cur prev 21:44, 30 June 2024‎ Amigao talk contribs‎ 65,344 bytes +98‎ not clear why something so widely reported in WP:RSes would be undue; additional citation added
 * The latest updates seem to be about two things:
 * 1. Adding: "Criminal charges	Domestic violence battery[2]" back into the infobox
 * 2. Adding "BNN Breaking" into the lead of the sentence to highlight negative coverage. This appears to be part of a larger pattern:
 * A separate BNN Breaking page was created with a negative slant by the same group of editors.
 * They have been attempting to add a BNN Breaking section to this page since last year, which has now expanded into its own paragraph.
 * Now they are trying to bring that same connection to the front of the page by adding BNN Breaking to the lead intro: "Chahal has since founded other internet-based companies including RadiumOne,[5] Gravity4, and BNN Breaking.[6]"
 * This seems to be an attempt to drive traffic to their negative messaging by prominently featuring BNN Breaking throughout the article.
 * These actions mirror previous efforts to highlight the domestic violence section across the page. It appears to be a coordinated effort to emphasize negative aspects and alter the overall tone of the article. 203.95.220.74 (talk) 05:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. Do you have any WP:COI to declare? - Amigao (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * I can assure you that I have no WP:COI to declare. My edits and comments are solely motivated by a desire to maintain the neutrality and accuracy of the article, in line with Wikipedia's policies.
 * I am also not the one editing; I am just connecting with neutral editors like and admins  who constructively held the page to a neutral stance. You are the one that keeps editing this page to a negative stance and now monitoring even my communications with them.
 * I'm concerned about the pattern of edits you've been making to this page since March 2, 2024. Your consistent additions of negative content and reversions of neutral edits could be seen as problematic. The edits you've been making appear to violate several WP:BLP guidelines, particularly those regarding neutral point of view, undue weight, and recentism. The article seems to disproportionately focus on negative aspects, potentially violating the principle of due weight. This approach does not align with Wikipedia's standards for encyclopedic content about living individuals.
 * Given this pattern, it might be worth reflecting on whether you have any undeclared interests or biases that could be influencing your edits.
 * Do you have anything to declare? 203.95.220.74 (talk) 05:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have anything to declare? 203.95.220.74 (talk) 05:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please remember that you must asume good faith. 's edits are not vandalism and labeling them as such violates our guidelines on Etiquette. You have been involved only on this article. While you have not edited it since it is protected, you have defended only one side on all your arguments and requests. Can you please confirm if you have any relation to the subject. I have reverted the addition of the criminal charges to the infobox per the consensus reached in the talk page, but please understand that adding neutral and referenced information to the article is perfectly fine. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 09:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Crystallizedcarbon,
 * Thank you for your response and for reverting the addition of criminal charges to the infobox as per the consensus reached on the talk page. I appreciate your efforts to maintain neutrality.
 * I apologize if my comments came across as not assuming good faith. That was not my intention, and I will be more mindful of my language in future discussions.
 * To address your question directly: I can confirm that I have no relation to the subject of the article. My involvement stems solely from a concern for maintaining a balanced and neutral representation, in line with Wikipedia's policies.
 * I'd like to clarify that advocating for neutrality doesn't make my arguments one-sided. My concern is that the current edits are turning the article into an unbalanced, negative portrayal, which goes against Wikipedia's neutral point of view principle.
 * After thorough research of the page, edit history, and talk page history, I have several specific concerns:
 * 1. The prominence given to BNN Breaking in the lead, its separate section, and its full two-page negative article seems disproportionate. The BNN Breaking page itself raises questions about notability and adherence to Wikipedia's standards. It appears to be primarily negative in tone and includes information that may not meet Wikipedia's reliable source criteria.
 * 2. There appears to be a pattern of adding negative content while positive or neutral information is being removed or minimized. For example:
 * ProcureNet, where the subject has been CEO since 2019, is not mentioned in the lead paragraph and has only one sentence in the entire article: "In 2020, Chahal founded ProcureNet and is its CEO. It is a supplier of pharmaceutical materials and vaccines consumables and a subsidiary of VendorCloud." This brief mention fails to capture the company's significance, especially given coverage in reputable sources such as The New York Times (link) and Down To Earth (link), which highlight ProcureNet's crucial role during the COVID-19 syringe crisis. This omission appears to violate lead guidelines for summarizing key points, recentism, and due weight guidelines by neglecting significant recent activities.
 * Gravity4's coverage has been reduced to three sentences, one of which focuses on an unsubstantiated lawsuit. This brief treatment fails to reflect the company's activities and achievements as reported by reliable sources including The Wall Street Journal, The Drum, South China Morning Post, AdExchanger, Reuters, Mumbrella, and Fusões & Aquisições. The current representation seems to violate neutral point of view and balance guidelines.
 * The philanthropy section has been progressively reduced, minimizing coverage of the subject's charitable activities. This reduction appears to conflict with neutral point of view and balance guidelines, as it fails to provide a comprehensive view of the subject's contributions to society.
 * Any mention of the subject's over a dozen patents has been removed from the article. This omission of significant intellectual property contributions seems to violate due weight guidelines and fails to provide a complete picture of the subject's professional accomplishments.
 * 3. The article currently dedicates significant space to a misdemeanor charge, including mentions in the infobox, lead, and three paragraphs at the end, while minimizing other aspects of the subject's life and career. Specifically:
 * The mention of "47 felonies" and "117 times" seems to be included for shock value, despite these claims being unproven in court and denied by the subject (source).
 * More importantly, a 2021 article from Deccan Chronicle (source) reports that this conviction was "set aside" by a San Francisco court, effectively expunging it from the subject's record. The article states:
 * "The Court makes a finding and grant motion pursuant to PC 1203.4 in the interest of justice. Pursuant to the signed and filed order Guilty plea is set aside and a not guilty plea is entered. Order for Dismissal signed and filed in court."
 * A copy of the actual Court Order Dismissal is readily available online (link), which can be easily found through a quick Google search. This primary source confirms the expungement of the charge.
 * This significant legal development is not reflected in the current version of the article. Instead, outdated and unproven information continues to be prominently featured. This approach appears to violate several Wikipedia guidelines:
 * Neutral point of view: by presenting a one-sided narrative that ignores recent legal outcomes and includes unproven claims
 * Recentism: by failing to update the article with the most current information
 * Undue weight: by giving disproportionate attention to an expunged charge and unproven allegations
 * Biographies of living persons: by potentially damaging the reputation of a living individual based on outdated and unproven information
 * Verifiability: by not including easily verifiable information about the expungement
 * To put this into perspective, let's consider how other Wikipedia biographies of living persons handle similar situations:
 * 1. Robert Downey Jr.: Despite his well-documented history of substance abuse and legal troubles in the 1990s and early 2000s, his Wikipedia page dedicates only a small portion to these issues. The majority of the article focuses on his career achievements, including his comeback and success in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The legal issues are mentioned briefly in a "Personal life" section, without sensationalized details.
 * 2. Martha Stewart: Her insider trading conviction, which resulted in a five-month prison sentence, is covered in a single, concise paragraph within her biography. The majority of her page focuses on her business ventures and media career.
 * 3. Mark Wahlberg: His page mentions his troubled youth and criminal convictions in a brief "Early life" section, but the vast majority of the article is dedicated to his successful acting and producing career.
 * These examples demonstrate how Wikipedia typically handles negative aspects in biographies of living persons: they are mentioned for completeness but do not dominate the article. In contrast, the current state of Gurbaksh Chahal's page seems to give undue weight to negative aspects, particularly the domestic violence incident, at the expense of a balanced representation of his life and career.
 * It's worth noting that this page has a history of contentious edits. In March 2023, there was a significant discussion about the content and tone of the article. During this time, Wikipedia admin TheSandDoctor expressed concerns about the reintroduction of certain content, stating:
 * "Re-reading, I still stand by my comments from 2018 and wonder why this essentially reversed back to the state it was in mid conflict. As in 2018, the whole '117' thing doesn't deserve a spot in the article unless strong consensus is formed -- of which it appears none has been to my knowledge for any of the re-additions -- given that it is only 'allegedly' and never used/proven in court. We aren't in the business of being sensational. I hate to see history repeating itself; this is a quagmire I thought was behind us, as I am sure you did as well Crystallizedcarbon."
 * Given this previous discussion and consensus, it's concerning to see these sensationalized details being reintroduced without apparent justification. This seems to contravene consensus and bold, revert, discuss cycle guidelines.
 * Additionally, I have concerns about the BNN Breaking page:
 * 1. The page appears to lack notability as required by Wikipedia's guidelines. It's unclear whether this topic meets the criteria for having its own article.
 * 2. The content seems to be primarily negative and potentially violates neutral point of view guidelines.
 * 3. Some of the information presented may not meet Wikipedia's reliable source criteria.
 * 4. The page appears to give undue weight to controversies and negative aspects, which is not in line with balance guidelines for Wikipedia articles.
 * In light of these observations, I believe it's crucial to reassess the current state of the article to ensure it aligns with Wikipedia's policies on neutral point of view and biographies of living persons. This should involve:
 * 1. Adhering to the previous consensus regarding the domestic violence section, reducing it to key facts without sensationalism and including the recent expungement.
 * 2. Ensuring equal prominence is given to the subject's professional achievements and recent activities, including his role in addressing global challenges like the COVID-19 syringe shortage through ProcureNet.
 * 3. Reviewing the inclusion and placement of information about BNN Breaking to ensure it's not given undue weight.
 * 4. Reassessing the notability and content of the separate BNN Breaking page.
 * Thank you for your consideration of these points and your continued efforts in maintaining the integrity and neutrality of this Wikipedia page. 203.95.220.74 (talk) 11:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to say that currently I do not have enough free time to take a look at the BNN page or to get into long discussions. What you said about charges being dismissed would belong in the article, but the problem is that the source that you provided is not independent. It is a paid article and does not qualify as a reliable source. Primary sources also should not be used. If it would have been reported by a reliable source from mainstream media I would have had no problem in including it myself as it would be very relevant. Other than that I can not help much more at the time unless the issues are very serious due to lack of time. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 18:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * Thank you for your response. I deeply appreciate your commitment to neutrality and fairness on Wikipedia. Editors like you are crucial in maintaining the integrity of articles, especially in cases like this where balance is essential.
 * I understand your time constraints, but given your valuable insights and previous involvement with this page, I hope you might reconsider addressing these issues or perhaps involve other neutral editors who can help.
 * To address your points and summarize the concerns:
 * 1. The Scribd link is a primary source - the actual court document showing the expungement. While Wikipedia generally prefers secondary sources, WP:BLPPRIMARY states that primary sources may be used in BLPs for "uncontroversial facts."
 * 2. Even if we set aside the Deccan Chronicle article, the court document itself is a verifiable, official record that directly contradicts information currently in the article. Ignoring this violates verifiability and neutral point of view policies.
 * 3. Furthermore, a thorough review of the article reveals numerous violations of Wikipedia's core policies and guidelines, including:
 * Neutral Point of View and Balance:
 * One-sided narrative focusing excessively on a single controversy (the domestic violence case).
 * Overemphasis on negative aspects while minimizing or omitting recent achievements and significant contributions.
 * Inadequate coverage of positive contributions, including intellectual property, patents, and philanthropic activities.
 * Undue Weight and Due Weight:
 * Disproportionate focus on an 11-year-old legal issue, evident in four sentences in the lead, a separate section in Personal life, and an additional three-paragraph "Domestic violence and battery conviction" section.
 * Undue prominence given to BNN Breaking (which itself has accuracy and neutrality issues).
 * Minimization of significant aspects of the subject's career, recent activities, and achievements.
 * Biographies of Living Persons:
 * Potentially damaging claims based on outdated information, particularly regarding the expunged case.
 * Use of sensationalist details for shock value, violating the principle of treating living subjects with respect.
 * Recentism and Comprehensiveness:
 * Failure to update with recent developments (expungement, ProcureNet's role in COVID-19 response, Gravity4's achievements, recent philanthropic activities).
 * Inadequate coverage of significant career aspects, including Gravity4's achievements, ProcureNet's impact, and numerous awards and recognitions.
 * Coatrack:
 * The article uses Chahal's biography as a vehicle to extensively discuss controversial topics rather than providing a balanced overview of his life and career.
 * Specific issues:
 * Disproportionate focus on an 11-year-old legally expunged case.
 * Gravity4 section prominently features an unsubstantiated lawsuit claim, overshadowing actual business activities.
 * Dedicated BNN Breaking section focuses solely on controversies and links to a separate problematic Wikipedia page.
 * These elements shift focus from the subject's life and achievements to tangential controversies, violating the principle that "an article should not be about tangential or peripheral aspects of the subject."
 * Conflict of Interest and Battleground behavior:
 * Editors such as, , , , , , among others, have been consistently adding and emphasizing the 11-year-old controversy and BNN Breaking on the Gurbaksh Chahal page while also contributing significantly to the BNN Breaking page.
 * This pattern suggests a potential conflict of interest and possible battleground behavior, as these editors appear to be using multiple pages to push a particular narrative about the subject.
 * Such behavior violates Wikipedia's policies on neutral editing and assuming good faith, raising concerns about the motivations behind these edits.
 * This connection between the two pages further reinforces the Coatrack concerns, as it suggests a coordinated effort to emphasize certain aspects of the subject's life across multiple Wikipedia articles.
 * A more comprehensive review of the edit history may reveal additional editors engaged in this pattern of behavior.
 * To further illustrate how out of balance this article is compared to other BLPs, consider these additional examples:
 * 1. Hugh Grant: His article briefly mentions his 1995 arrest in a single sentence within the "Personal life" section, despite it being a highly publicized incident at the time. The vast majority of the article focuses on his acting career and professional achievements.
 * 2. Tim Allen: His article mentions his 1978 arrest and two-year imprisonment for drug trafficking in a single paragraph within the "Personal life" section. The bulk of the article is dedicated to his successful career in comedy, acting, and voice work.
 * These examples demonstrate how Wikipedia typically handles controversies in BLPs - mentioned for completeness but not dominating the narrative. The current state of Gurbaksh Chahal's page starkly contrasts these examples - and the other three previously mentioned, with a disproportionate focus on past legal issues and minimal coverage of recent professional achievements.
 * Additionally, the related BNN Breaking page, which is prominently featured in Chahal's main article, also raises several concerns that further contribute to the imbalance in Chahal's portrayal:
 * Notability: It's questionable whether BNN Breaking meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, given its short lifespan and primary notability stemming from controversies rather than significant contributions to journalism or technology.
 * Neutral Point of View: The page fails to present a balanced view, focusing almost exclusively on controversies and negative aspects without adequate coverage of any positive or neutral aspects of the website's operations.
 * Coatrack: The article appears to use BNN Breaking as a vehicle to discuss controversies related to Gurbaksh Chahal, rather than focusing on the website itself.
 * Accuracy: The page contains factual errors, such as claiming TrimFeed was shut down when it remains active, violating Wikipedia's core principle of accuracy.
 * Verifiability: Several claims are not properly verified, including the assertion about TrimFeed's shutdown. In fact, TrimFeed remains active, as evidenced by this recent article: link. This demonstrates a failure to fact-check even easily verifiable information.
 * Due Weight: Undue prominence is given to certain sources (e.g., The New York Times report) without presenting counterarguments or alternative viewpoints.
 * Reliable Sources: The article relies heavily on a limited number of sources for significant claims, without adequate corroboration or presentation of alternative perspectives.
 * In light of these issues with both the main article and the related BNN Breaking page, it's clear that there's a systemic problem in how Gurbaksh Chahal is being portrayed on Wikipedia. The combination of policy violations, undue emphasis on controversies, and potential conflict of interest among editors has resulted in a deeply unbalanced and potentially harmful representation of a living person. This situation urgently requires attention from neutral editors to bring these pages into compliance with Wikipedia's standards and ensure fair treatment of the subject.
 * Given these significant policy violations and the clear disparity with other BLPs, I urge you to reconsider addressing these issues or involving other editors who may have the time to help bring this article into compliance with Wikipedia's standards. Your expertise and neutral approach would be invaluable in this process.
 * I would also like to specifically urge to consider becoming involved again. Your instrumental role in addressing previous disruptive edits in prior years has been crucial in maintaining the article's integrity. Your insights and experience with this particular article would be extremely valuable in resolving the current issues and ensuring the page adheres to Wikipedia's standards.
 * I must stress that if neutral editors like yourself stop contributing to this page, it will only give ammunition to the same disruptive editors to continue manipulating the content. The ongoing behavior of focusing on the past, emphasizing sensationalism and shock value, particularly regarding an 11-year-old incident that has been legally expunged, while neglecting recent achievements, is deeply concerning. Your continued involvement is crucial to prevent this page from becoming solely a negative portrayal that violates Wikipedia's core principles of neutrality and balance.
 * Thank you both for your consideration and your continued efforts to maintain Wikipedia's integrity. Your involvement is critical in ensuring that this BLP receives the same fair and balanced treatment as other articles on the platform. 203.95.220.74 (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, based on the content of the BNN WP-article and past discussions there, I put
 * "I must stress that if neutral editors like yourself stop contributing to this page, it will only give ammunition to the same disruptive editors to continue manipulating the content. The ongoing behavior of focusing on the past, emphasizing sensationalism and shock value, particularly regarding an 11-year-old incident that has been legally expunged, while neglecting recent achievements, is deeply concerning. Your continued involvement is crucial to prevent this page from becoming solely a negative portrayal that violates Wikipedia's core principles of neutrality and balance."
 * into https://gptzero.me/. It said "We are highly confident this text was ai generated." Make of that what you will. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As I said before, I would only add it if it is covered by a mainstream, reliable and independent source. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 12:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * IP, you should take content comments to the article talk pages, e.g. Talk:BNN Breaking. You may also want to check out Wall of text if you'd like people to substantively engage with you, and Assume good faith around the supposed motives I and other have while editing. Ed [talk] [OMT] 14:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * IP, you should take content comments to the article talk pages, e.g. Talk:BNN Breaking. You may also want to check out Wall of text if you'd like people to substantively engage with you, and Assume good faith around the supposed motives I and other have while editing. Ed [talk] [OMT] 14:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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