User talk:Crzrussian/Archive 2

mall policy discussion
We could start working on a policy proposal on in my sandbox here. We can both hack at it, find a consensus between us (as editors on the oposite sides of the fence), and then propose it via a centralized discussion. Sound good?  young  american (talk) 15:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I posted 3 different proposals on my sandbox just now. Feel free to tweak them, change them, or make some new ones. We can then sort them out and propose the best ones (one that is inclusionist, one that is deltionist, and one in between) and let the community sort 'em out fromt here.  young  american  (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Stub type is created; the stub tempate is at Melbourne-rail-stub, which will automatically add articles to. Slambo (Speak) 16:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

malls
I was reading up on the topic, and it turns out we would be creating a notability criteria, not a policy.  young  american (talk) 19:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Moni Aizik
Todah rabah for your help on this article. I'm glad it was salvagable too. Ckessler

Yeah, well my speaking is better than my spelling. :) Ckessler 19:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: 128.146.94.230
I sent a message to Ohio State this morning concerning his edits to PvP, Fark.com, and Melissa Lafsky and asked them to look into the situation. There's no guarantee they'll respond or even be able to find out who he is, but I gave them all the data we have. I considered applying a block to the entire 128.146.94.x range, but that invariably results in collateral damage. What I will do is block on sight any address in that range that vandalizes, and the lengths of the blocks will increase. The .230 address is now serving out a 48 hour block. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 16:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Those edits appear to be coming from somewhere in the Ohio State University School of Medicine. The .230 address, for example, resolves to dhcp-128-146-94-230.med.ohio-state.edu.  It may be a computer lab or wireless network, which could make tracking down the person responsible difficult.  It depends on how well Ohio State's IT department tracks their network, and also how responsive they are to complaints from outside users.  As to the whys and wherefores, who knows.  Don't try to understand 'em, just rope, throw, and brand 'em. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 16:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that may be his home address. I gave him three days off this time. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 02:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've given the newest IP another week off. Incidentally, Ohio State did reply and say they'd look into it, but I've heard no further details. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 16:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

mall notability minimums...
Good question. I will check up on some malls that I feel meet the bare minimum of notability and see what attributes they possess.  young  american (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I don't usually participate in those types of discussions (for many reasons, not the least of which is I don't believe in the concept of "notability") but I'll take a look at what you are working on. -- JJay 20:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Urals Federal District geography stubs
Hello. I've noticed that you created Category:Urals Federal District geography stubs. Actually, this category intentionally wasn't created before, see Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board and WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. You should probably pay more attention to WP:WSS/P where we decided not to create it for now.

Actually, this is not to discourage you from being bold, but you should be a bit more careful with some things. Best wishes, Conscious 20:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi!
Thanks for the pointer, but I felt that my knowledge of rap/hip-hop wasn't good enough for me to make the call on my own. If you'd take a look at my contributions you'd see that I've placed more than my fair share of prods. I usally only place prods when i'm 99.9 % sure it deletable, and with Foglerapz I was only 99.8% sure :) Eivindt@c 14:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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 * sholem-aleykhem Crzrussian! Beside &lrm;"‎װיקיפּעדיע‎"&lrm; &lrm;"‎װיקיביבליאָטעק‎‎"&lrm; stared today. I would be happy if you could help building the projects in Yiddish. a gut wokh Gangleri · Th · T 18:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer! Our friends set up a test wiki for &lrm; װיקי‫נײַעס &lrm;. Please log in and get familiar with all details of the user interface. Best regards Gangleri · Th · T 08:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Rocco DeLuca
On his website, http://www.roccodeluca.com/, it says that his album went into stores the date I said at the wikipedia page. 72.226.194.46 03:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I didn't make the page, I just edited it to make it a little more informative. 72.226.194.46 03:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, I typed the date wrong 72.226.194.46 03:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

CatScan
To plagiarise my message to Valentinian shamelessly:

This little beaut here. It has some significant limitations, and I'm working on something a little more general (only off-line for the time being), but it's pretty handy nonetheless.

Alai 20:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

SIPs
I reverted your changes because the whole system of SIPs requires multiple texts. For example, if the only text was Macbeth, then every single word would be highlighted as being "fairly unique". If it was Macbeth and Harry Potter, then words such as witch and magic would no longer be SIPs, but words such as muggle and wizard would be. The system relies on more than one text. Thanks for your concern,--Keycard (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, maybe the above isn't actually clear enough. Although you listed the SIPs for the Dickens book, it doesn't explain how those words are arrived upon. Only when you take into account that they appear in very few other books does it make any sense. Thanks yet again--Keycard (talk) 07:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if I removed anything non-example-related. If you wish to substitute the sample texts, that's good. However, there need to be at least three in practice. Thanks--Keycard (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Susan L. Graham
In general, you are correct. But look at the University. UC Berkley is renowned for its computer science. Just by becoming professor at there should qualify you for it. I think dispute came up a little while before on some AfD (can't remember the specific one), and in that case, it was some professor of Princeton or some other Ivy League uni.

In any case, http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~graham/biography.html, linked to from her home page, suggests plenty of notability. The article requires expansion, not deletion. enochlau (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Regarding the article Hazel Fernandez, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is an article about a starlet that does not assert the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7)", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because going on tour with Jamiroquai is an assertion of notability. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the process. Thanks! Stifle 16:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. You are technically incorrect: participating in a notable activity doesn't mean that the participant is notable per se. She's a musician in a supporting band - if the article is saying the truth. I go to a notable law school and work in a notable business, both of which have articles. Should I be listed too? Regards, - the.crazy.russian   (T)   (C)   (E)  17:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I did consider this carefully, and I think it's borderline. Probably better to use prod instead. Stifle 17:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * My take on the CSD criterion is that an article qualifies as "non-notable biography" when it makes no claim of notability, not that the claim that is does make is, in your opinion, insignificant. enochlau (talk) 01:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

And here's my understanding: the A7 criterion says, "An article . . . that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to AFD instead." I am a law student, conditioned by my subject to think of A7 like a judgment as a matter of law and of AfD as a jury verdict. At least in the U.S. system of law, judgment as a matter of law may be appropriate before the case goes to a jury (AfD), if the judge (reviewing admin) agrees with the movant/nominator that construing the facts in a light most favorable to the non-moving party, no reasonable person could find in his/her favor. If the assertion of notability is disputed, a jury trial is appropriate, but if you believe, as I suspect you do, that no reasonable observer could find her notable, than her assertion is lacking. Here's an absurd case to illustrate my point: I write an article about myself, in which I explain that I am the first member of a new species of Homo, distinct from H. sapiens. That is certainly an assertion of notability - but not one that a reasonable ovserver could possibly believe. I believe CSD and AfD were designed with judgment as a matter of law vs. jury verdict in mind. Makes sense? - the.crazy.russian   (T)   (C)   (E)  02:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

what?

Peer review/Idit Harel Caperton/archive1
If you feel a need to settle the wikistress related to your tireless efforts to de-crappify the 'pedia, drop by the above peer review and relay any comments/concerns/criticisms of the article that you may have. Cheers.  young  american (talk) 18:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: mall guidelines
The comment has been made. -- WC  Quidditch  &#9742;   &#9998;  23:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ultra-Orthodox
I agree that the term "Ultra-Orthodox" leaves much to be desired, and could be interpreted to mean "too" or "excessively" Orthodox. I was copyediting the page for the mayor, which seemed to make his claim to notability as being the first / only UO mayor of a large, mostly non-Jewish municipality. A reasonably unique claim, that seemed to be the gist of what the original article contained. Just over the past few days, I have been dealing in "debates" with other users over their attemps at characterizing politician Tom Kean Jr. as a RINO (Republican in Name Only) and Long Island's Hebrew Academy of the Five Towns and Rockaway as "Left-wing" orthodox (I had changed to "centrist"). In both cases, the term was not how the person / organization self-identifies, but how critics wanted them to be perceived. I'll daven and eat anywhere, but there are obvious distinctions between different branches of Judaism in general and Orthodoxy in particular. We could have identified Mayor Meir as "Orthodox," (as you did), but it lost a certain ta'am (if not accuracy) in the change. Calling him "Jewish" (or "American" or "Caucasian" or "Male" or "Human") would be accurate, but would lose useful information. In all of these cases, I was aiming for how the person / group would self-identify, which I think should be the guiding mechanism. Unfortunately this information is not always available. Many candidates for office try to avoid labeling themselves, though maybe not in Lakewood. I think that we must be careful in how we identify people while trying to avoid being too pareve. Alansohn 15:23, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

More on Ultra-Orthodox
I thank you for the NJ recognition, but this issue is more generic. I think that by leaving the info at he bottom of the article, and identifying it as a quote from The Forward, that the term is a means of characterization, not the way he might identify himself. I still think that he would be far more likely to have a framed copy of this article in his office than to have been burning bundles of the paper when they came out. It may bot be ideal, but I hope that the way the article now stands reflects the proper spirit of p'shara. Alansohn 15:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Static grass
No, I just know that in some areas, wargaming is really popular, and as a result, this stuff might be pretty popular. I'd have to do some more research on it to know how frequently it's used, etc., but it may be that an AFD would be entirely appropriate. —Spangineer[es] (háblame)  19:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Secondhand obesity
Hey--No offense taken about the deletion attempt. I'm happy I was able to contribute something. I look forward to working with you.Stanley011 02:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Zeev Rosenstein
I responded on my talk page. --GorillazFanAdam 04:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Special:Shortpages
I made it up to 900. It goes pretty fast once you get past the 0 byte articles. The 6, 11, 15 bytes ones (which are a lot) can all be ignored as they are protected deleted pages. The others are usually copyvios, stubs, or easy fixes (broken redirect, obvious speedies). If you do it regularly, you can also skip pages whose link color indicates you visited them before. The 0 bytes are the ones which are a pain as you have to decide if you should revert, redirect, nominate for deletion, etc. and that takes time. I also try to leave a note on people’s talk pages so they’re aware that blanking is not the best solution. If you are familiar with all that, then ignore I said anything.

The page is updated every day or two - I think it's an automatic job, but sometimes it's longer than that. I actually find it convenient that it doesn't update sooner. There are other ways of doing real-time vandalism patrol. This catches stuff that falls through the cracks. If it updated in real-time, then it would probably be swamped by the stuff that is being caught real-time.

-- JLaTondre 17:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Not far at all. Only did about 10 before real-life intruded. -- JLaTondre 19:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

AFD
Thanks for the advice, I don't think I'm being any more contentious than you though - frankly, I don't see why anyone would get upset at people expressing a different view to them. Hope to see you around! For great justice. 23:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair Enough
I got rid of my speedy deletion tag--I think his should suffice. Stanley011 20:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summaries
Hey, if I altered/created an article but forgot to write an edit summary, is there any way I can go back and do so? Thanks. Stanley011 20:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Malcolm Shabazz
Actually, he did attend Goshen (however, I don't know where to find a source for that, so you were right to revert).

You are right about User:64.90.243.201's history of vandalism (a good bit of which has targeted my user page (long story)). But that information is true and to me counts as a good-faith legitimate edit (one of the rare ones from that server). So revert it or put next to it, but don't call it vandalism. Daniel Case 03:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, if you liked those (the Long Island Project is my personal favorite AfD vote, ever) try this one (I didn't nominate it, but I love the theatrics it unleashed in the article creator). Ditto this. Daniel Case 04:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Even HaEzel
Applogies. I used answer.com to look up its meaning. See. Its preferable to find a better word. ems 12:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Hofstadter's law
Hello Crzrussian. You wrote that Hofstadter's law is not worthy of a standalone article and redirected it to GEB. I respectfully disagree: this adage has grown to be a significant part of computer culture, independently of its original mention in Hofstadter's book, and is nowadays cited by people who have perhaps not read GEB (personally, this law is one of the few things I remember 20 years after reading this book). In addition to its similarity with Murphy's law with a self-reference twist, comparisons can be made with the mythical man-month and discussions of procrastination. Hofstadter's law is probably more well-known than many others cited in List of adages named after people (Imbesi's Law of the Conservation of Filth comes to mind). Besides, the GEB article does not even mention this law at all, so your redirect is confusing to people who turn to Wikipedia for a definition of Hofstadter's law. Therefore I took the liberty to revert this page and the other spelling Hofstadter's Law. I hope that more people will eventually expand this stub and turn it into a significant article. -- JFG 14:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I see your point but I believe that enough "culture" has developed around this "law" to foster significant encyclopedic input over time. As it stands, it provides enough information for a casual definition, and let's give it a chance at expanding. I've added a few pointers for starters. -- JFG 15:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, go for AfD if you like... I'm not passionately attached to this particular page, I just thought it deserved a chance! While you're at it, take a look at List of eponymous laws which should be merged with List of adages named after people (I've just added merge templates there). Incidentally, it looks like Hofstadter's law was removed and added several times from those lists independently, so there's definitely reason for debate. -- JFG 15:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Emanuel Wynn
Surely I do. Monicasdude 23:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A little bit of research would have enabled you to add to this article. Please, deletion should be the last resort, after research and article writing, not the first thing we try. Yours, For great justice. 03:38, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Satmar Rebbe
Please see the discussion page there, Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum. --Daniel575 02:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Korban Pesach
Re your question as to my not eating korban pesach: Firstly, I would like to thank you for your open mind; there are many Jews of all denominations who are not open to that kind of dialogue. It certainly means a lot to me that there are those who are willing to see what the "other side" thinks without judging or malicious intent, merely out of "intellectual curiosity and inter-communication between the denominations". Secondly, I apologize for the delay but I wanted to give you more than a hasty one line response. Now, as for korban pesach; yes, it is a mitzvat aseh for which the punishment for non-compliance is karet, but since the destruction of the Temple, korbanot were no longer relevant to the form of Judaism which arose, out of Yavneh. Prayer replaced the korbanot, the Shabbat table replaced the mizbeach, and the Seder, as formulated by the rabbis, arose (from the Greco-Roman symposium) to replace the korban pesach. At least, this is what I have always been taught; I apologize if it sounds as if I am stating dogma. This is my opinion and I understand that there are those who think differently. And so, our seder stands in place of the korban pesach, as the ram stood in place of Isaac. On our seder plate, we place a roasted beet (which according to the Talmud is an acceptable substitute for the z'roa), and we also put a little plastic ram, in remembrance. I say "we" because these are the traditions of my whole family, not just my personal thoughts. I hope this satisfies your curiousity; do not hesitate to ask me any other questions. By the way, how did you get to my user page? Idle browsing, or one of my edits? Anyway, I assume the theme of your question is because, with one week left, Pesach is on all our minds. With that, I wish you an early hag kasher v'sameach, and a fun and enjoyable seder (with an actual z'roa, I would assume ;-) ). Thanks again for the courtesy, СПУТНИК ССС  Р 02:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * An interesting thought. Now, I can't speak for my whole denomination, especially since I don't consider myself part of any particular one. I will, however, speak for myself. I don't think that the Third Temple will be rebuilt b'karov b'yameinu. I still hope, but realistically there are many things that stand in the way (like the Dome of the Rock, the modern State of Israel, the different denominations, etc...). I believe that there will be a Mashiach who will announce the coming of a Messianic era, a time in which things will be rather different, including the possibility of a Third Temple. Even so, I don't think the reinstatement of korbanot is going to happen. This is an idea I got from HaRav Kook (himself a vegetarian), who said that korbanot were just a temporary measure, until we reached a higher level of moral consciousness, one which did not rely on primitive fetishism (no offense to the Temple - I am speaking in general) and one which did not require the sacrificing of innocent lives, animal or human. This is actually supported by the Rambam, as I believe, but I can't remember the details. In the Messianic era, I have seen many traditional sources say that we will all be vegetarians, kashrut will be unneccessary, all hagim (except Purim) will be abolished, etc... I thus feel confident in saying that I will never have to decide between the laws of my faith (Korban Pesach) and my ethical beliefs (the preserving of innocent lives). Whew! My fingers are exhausted; I'm going to go rest for a while now. By the way, I am actually not Russian myself; my nickname has a funny story behind it. When I went to Jewish summer camp a long time ago, some kid thought I looked like a Russian scientist, and our cabin voted between Igor, Boris, and Sputnik, and Sputnik won. When I signed up for an email, not long after, the nickname was fresh in my mind, so that became part of my email. Then when I got my Wikipedia account, I thought to my email for my online alias and there it was. I am of distant Russian ancestry, being Ashkenazi, but am actually more Polish and Romanian than Russian, and I don't consider myself Russian or even Eastern European for thatmatter. (I can, however, speak very rudiemtnary Russian, as I just started taking it at school.) Anyway, I need to get off the computer now; if I don't speak to you before Wednesday, have a hag kasher v'sameach. СПУТНИК ССС  Р 02:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

no kosel
I don't go to the kosel. Davening at a place where the Satmar Rebbe (both of them, shlita and zatzal) hold that you may not go would be a joke. Anyway, please understand this is only *temporary*. I just checked another page - when Ariel Sharon had his stroke on the 4th of January, his page was edited hundreds of times within a few hours. Would you suggest that we remove it in his case as well? It's a plain fact that secular people and non-Jews don't have anything to do on such an article, why should you find them there? I mean, if you were an average goy just surfing around, how big is the chance you'll end up on the Rebbe's page? Anyone looking there right now is looking for news about his condition. But anyway, we should keep this discussion on the Talk page there! Edit- I am indeed going to שחרית now. א גוטע נאכט. --Daniel575 03:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right. In fact, *I* was not calling on people to daven for him, I merely meant to say that people *had been called upon* to daven for him. That's just a plain news fact, not my opinion. I changed the text to make this clearer. Hope you understand now. Sorry, this was a slight error. I'm going to sleep now... --Daniel575 05:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He ossured it because it is modeh lekefiroh, IIRC. Not sure - I don't know the whole sefer from the head (my knowledge of lh'k is not yet quite optimal, though I can read easy seforim like Vayoel Moshe without trouble). --Daniel575 21:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just the kosel. Aside from that ofcourse you shouldn't approach Zionist institutions - Rebbe Yoel zt'l wrote that it there is an issur of yaharog ve'al ya'avor to enter the Knesset, since it is a beis minnus. Even if you disagree, you should get the sefer. It's three parts (maamorim): shalosh shevuos, yishuv e"y, lh"k. There is a wonderful brand-new edition in ksav Rashi, which is VERY difficult. It also lacks an index. There is also a smaller edition which has only the biggest and most important of the three maamorim, maamar shalosh shevuos. Here in E"Y it costs just 10 shekels. It's in regular script and has great indexes, a summary of 25 pages in front, and a list of all sources etc. I certainly recommend it. --Daniel575 22:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * By approaching the Kosel, the Zionists are able to say "look, thanks to us these Jews can go to the kosel, they love us!" And Zionism is kefiroh (according to the Rov zt'l). Aside from that, I don't exactly know all the details involved either. --Daniel575 22:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Cuba
Hey - good work with the cuba-geo-stubs! I was about to spend the next hour or so changing them over, and there are only a tiny handful left to mop up! Nice work :) Grutness...wha?  06:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Exhibition (was:Re:Cuba geo-stubs)
The exhibition went well, thanks. Lots of good comments from people who saw it, and a good review in the local paper. Not many sales though, but enough to cover costs, and quite often this sort of exhibition generates a few more sales further down the track, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed about that! Grutness...wha?  10:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Blue Morwong
Sorry, but you'll have to explain what I did wrong. I certainly didn't mean to remove anything, I was trying to redirect common names to the correct pages. Have you checked the Morwong page? GrahamBould 18:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I cannot remember exactly what I did, but after looking at the Morwong page now it looks OK. Blue Morwong = Porae.  If this is as a result of you correcting my mistake then it looks fine. Thanks.  GrahamBould 18:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Stub Sorting
I understand what you mean about sorting all the way. I always try to put it in the most specific type I can. I'm a relatively new stub sorter, so I definetly appreciate the tips and advice. I'll try to look more carefully from now on to find the best stub. Thanks again! Amalas 18:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) About Little horn: I was looking for a film-character-stub or something like that, but since I didn't find one, I went with film.  However, I suppose you are correct because it's not technically about a film.  I don't think I was aware of the more general fict-char-stub, or even if I was, it's under the literature section, so I wouldn't have been looking there for a film character.  I hope that made a little bit of sense, but I'd have to agree with your stub sort on that one.
 * 2) About Moabite language: I'll have to chalk that one up to pure ignorance.  Not knowing much about Moab, Jordan, Arabic, etc., I figured that a general lang-stub would be better than an incorrectly placed specific xxxx-lang-stub

Runescape Scams
Please delete this article, I created it and I am unhappy with the way a certain famous vandal edited it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jarex (talk • contribs).

youth culture
Добрый вечер тебе тоже. The reasons for the "evisceration" of the article are duly explained by everyone else on the talk page. It reads as if it were written not by a qualified analyst or even an objective author, but by a terribly unprofessional author with a severe lack of comprehension of the concept of NPOV and good writing. As it is right now, it's an embarrassment to Wikipedia, and it could be retooled fairly easily with a few good writers. MOD 04:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't empty, it was stubbed and it had one sentence in it. As for naming no names, don't pique my interest without following through. And while evisceration might not be the best course of action for the article, certainly the state it is in right now is no good. I will, however, grudgingly take to rewriting it piece by piece as bitching about it won't change a thing. MOD 04:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)