User talk:Cs-wolves/Archive 12

Some P:CE/S issues...
Hi Craig..

You probably noticed that I was absent the last 2 days... but it seems the portal is being cared for quite well...

I may be out of here for another few days, so I just want to point your attention to some things...


 * 1) It's the last day of September... in fact, in the entire eastern hemishere it'a allredy October... that means it's time to archive the ols month... it seems Sep is another monstrous one... I guess over 300K... all these b'ball and v'ball championships must have contributed to that, but luckily they're all over after this weekend...
 * 2) Speeking of which... v'ball continental champ'ships also act as qualifyers for the World Cup, which in turn are Olympic qualifyers... so I noticed that the qualifyers were not mentioned for the 2 champ'ships just concluded... IIRC, there should be 3 qualifyers from these champ'ships - both champions plus the better ranked of thr rumnners-up... the same should be done for the last championships due to concude on Sunday (IIRC)... and then we have just a week's rest before the clubs world cup begin...
 * 3) In b'ball, the championships are Olympic qualifiers - either directly or via the World Qualifying Tournament.... IIRC, the last champ'ships also conclude this weekend... and then national teams take a long break in favour of club competitions...
 * 4)  last note I think... there's another junior WC in figure skating this weekend, I think it's either #4 or 5 of the series... note that there's also the series standing after each comp...

Take care...

Nitsan

Re:Some P:CE/S issues...
Definitely think I've spent most of the last few days moaning at somebody on the portal! Haha! That said, I have been updating it at some inopportune hours, so not so great on my part! I'll definitely have a look at the qualifying methods, and probably update it at a better hour...3am edits are usually a bit rare for me! Cs-wolves (talk)  01:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 3AM for me is not unusual... the deal is quite simple... check out for previous championships earlier this month... you would find a line like this: team X qualify for tournament Y, in which X is the name of the nation, and Y is the name of tournament, with link to the article of that tournament... on that article you should find the qualifying rules and the list of qualifyers, which by now is nearly complete... IIRC there are only 2 champ'ships in B'ball and the same in V'ball that are still going on and due to be completed this weekend... I trust your wisdom that you would understand how to fill the blanks then... I loooked briefly at the last two days while I was "missing" and found that 2 V'ball tourneys have concluded on these days (both Thursday IIRC) and currently these are the only events in question...

As for figure skating, also look at the events earlier this month and see the format... on each week there are 3 or 4 competitions divided between 2 days, Friday and Saturday (this was rhe format so far). There will be a total of 7 events in this series, and the current one is #5 IIRC. The top 8 in each discipline qualify to the final that will take place in early December. Please note that in the pairs discipline there are only 4 events, that's why some events have 3 competitions and some 4. Also note that skaters are only allowed to participate in 2 events during this series, so the standings line should read like this: Standings after 5 of 7 events: A (name) X points from 2 events or B Y (1). It's a bit confusing but that's the rules in this sport... as usual, look for examples in previous weeks. You should find links to both weekly results and standings on the article of the junior grand prix series 2011 (please note that this is the JUNIOR GP and it will be followed by the Grand Prix series for senior skaters). The Finals of both series take place on the same site and there's one article for both.--Nitsansh (talk) 09:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You are a good student... :)


 * Do you want to learn how to update the right column as well?--Nitsansh (talk) 03:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I seem to remember a chat about that right column; I've just neglected it sadly. Cs-wolves  (talk)  05:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I did only the "ongoing events" section sometimes during the night after a break of 3 days.. but the "upcoming" section is updated only until Oct 1st, so the dates of Oct 2-4 should be deleted... also the dates of Oct 30 (I think) till Nov 2nd should be unvieled by moving the Talk Contributions  20:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I think it is appropriate because it is the second largest multi sporting event after the Olympics. Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions   20:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, I left a message on the talk page can you please respond there as well. Thanks. Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions   21:01, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think so. Although we lack consistency regarding multi-event Games. Last year we did the 2010 Commonwealth Games, but I think we ignored the 2010 Asian Games (I might be wrong though)... this year we did the 2011 Summer Universiade, which also claims to be the second largest multi-sport events, but not the 2011 All-Africa Games. I think there should be a similar policy towards all these, I won't correct the past... As far as Pan American is concerned, I think in terms of size it's behind the Asian Games, but anyway, with strong nations like United States, Canada, Cuba, Brazil etc. it seems more notable, in particular for English speakers (the Commonwealth are also notable for the same reason). It should be noted also that Pan-Ams double up as Olympic qualifyers in many sports, so nations send their best athletes. For all these reasons, I vote in favour, but we should make some constant guiding rules to deal with such events. In fact, we should have guiding rules for all other events, so we can refer to them in cases of doubt.--Nitsansh (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

202...
Are these three massive edits OK to you - not my field... and they have not been reverted. Keep up the warnings... ;-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_Intercontinental_Rally_Challenge_season&action=historysubmit&diff=453515280&oldid=436641376
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2008_Intercontinental_Rally_Challenge_season&action=historysubmit&diff=453353154&oldid=436642807
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2009_Intercontinental_Rally_Challenge_season&action=historysubmit&diff=453035251&oldid=449524544
 * OK, just making sure it wasn't a load of tripe.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Baseball world cup
Craig, could you do the standings please? (W-L format)--Nitsansh (talk) 03:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

More about P:CS/E...

 * 1) Just in case you didn't notice... a discussion about notability criteria has restarted on the talk page... (it belongs there and not users talk pages)
 * 2) I asked several days ago if you like to learn my tricks and tips about editing the right column... what's your say?--Nitsansh (talk) 03:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Current events/Sports/Sidebar
I am a bit confused... are you willing to help with this or not? --Nitsansh (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S tutorial continues...
I just added a new feature that (hopefully) should be helpfull for editors. and. The former should be placed after the last event of a season or a series, and indicates that no further events should be searched for in the current season. The latter indicates the beginning date of the next season, and means that the next events should be searched for in the next season. Usually, there is an off-season of at least a month between seasons (there are exceptions, though). Similar remarks are also usefull in the "current seasons" section, which should be edited at the beginning and end of seasons (did anyone do that recently for rugby league and OZ football?)--Nitsansh (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: Dale has a habit that when a season ends, he puts a remark that reads: "(year(s)) season ended (date)", and changes the year(s) in the article's name to the next one. That helps editors who make the end-of-month archiving, as seasons that ended during the last month should be included in the "month in sports" article, and otherwise they might be forgotten.--Nitsansh (talk) 14:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ETA: But make sure to change back to the right year(s) in the "month in sports" article.--Nitsansh (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, a helpfull practice is to add the dates till the end of the month (invisible of course) and put events in advance, if you have spare time...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: I just realized that helpful and hopeful etc. are spelled with one L... hope to remember that next time...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

202 again
I given him a short tap. If you can check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=100&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=202.216.85.160&namespace=&topOnly=1&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 - these are his only unreverted edits left.  Ron h jones (Talk) 18:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S notes

 * Athletics: Standings of WMM is missing (there's one event remaining this year and the titles may have already been decided).
 * Baseball: There's no indication of qualifyers to the next stage.
 * Gymnastics/fencing: Look out for final events from tommorrow onwards (in gymnastics for sure, in fencing possibly only on Wednesday)
 * Speaking of gymnastics: Our ace Alex Shatilov has qualified to the men's all-around final and (as usual) to the men's floor, where he has high hopes for a medal (he has won bronze in 2009 and was 4th last year), which will make him the first Israeli to win a world championships medal in Olympic event this year and the 6th Israeli to qualify for London 2012 (though for about a dozen more qualification is considered a mere formality).--Nitsansh (talk) 00:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
For fixing Bruno Senna's infobox. DH85868993 (talk) 00:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Userbox
I'm sure you could do with another one (the 157 is correct for yourself) :-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. You just want the 100K edits then! My edit count is different depending on which tool to measure - might have something to do with almost 8000 pages deleted... :-)  Ron h jones (Talk) 18:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha. One edit makes a difference! - you've gained a few from this chat. Korea and Philip Island double weekend coming up, that will help keep you busy.  Ron h jones (Talk) 19:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

DISAGREE
I disagree with your edit, can you explain in more detail in why you took this action?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1967_German_Grand_Prix&diff=455458877&oldid=455444174 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond88824 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: Actually disregard this post, my error Ray-Rays 00:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond88824 (talk • contribs)

Assistance with a truck team
Hi I've probably been one of the few people on here to update the teams/drivers per the entry lists. But there's a weird issue. You see, originally I had Jennifer Jo Cobb and Chase Mattioli listed as separate teams, but then i put them all under the #10 team since Chase's team was using Jen's owners points. Now, it looks as though T3R (formerly Fast Track Racing) has taken over Chase's operation, with the #99 team, and Jen's switched to Dodge. I know this is extremely confusing but I was wondering how I should handle this. Should I just lump all 3 together in 1, or do I just split them up by teams.Gaeaman787 (talk) 10:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Sheltra's entered in the 99 Ford with Cal Boprey as crew chief, and Charlie Vest is in the 09 with Aj Genali. And I think the Silas family is running their own truck under the T3R name. They might be running the 09 only and the 99. I put JJCR and CMR together because Mattioli's team used Cobb's truck number and owners points to lock themselves in, then they teamed up for Nashville, and then Chase probably handed his team over to the Silases. There's also the wackiness surrounding KBM, Vision, and Billy Ballew. Vision started out the season running like 6 races I remember. Then somewhere down the line Busch took over the 51 and Ballew got the 15 back to run Colin Braun. I wasn't really sure who else to contact about this matter. I'm thinking of just splitting it up...somehow. Have JJCR up top as having run the 0 (the s&p with Wayne Edwards) and 10. Doing JJCR/CMR with them running the 0, 10, and 99. I'll probably do 2 rows with T3R with them running the 09 and 99. This is so complicatedGaeaman787 (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

 * Yes, one of my pet peeves! I do try and help out as much as I can :) Hopefully the summaries deter other users from being so lazy! Schumi  555  22:51, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject NASCAR Newsletter (October 2011)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject NASCAR at 02:42, 25 October 2011 (UTC).

You interested in GA nom'ing the season articles?
I asked User:Buttons to Push Buttons as well. I don't trust that I'll be around reliably enough to respond to eventual GA reviews, but I imagine they should easily pass the criteria. 2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season is done, and I'll be going through them alphabetically until they're all completed. Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 00:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Question
Do you think Marco's page needs a semi protection - his sad demise (not nice - I had recorded it, and did not know the outcome before I viewed it...) has attracted much editing - some not so desirable, I note.  Ron h jones (Talk) 13:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okey Dokey - just let me know if the vandals persist. I agree - when I saw the crash, it did not look good. I think someone in race control was telling porkies - I doubt if he was ever conscious.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (September)

 * Apologies for the rather long delay in posting this issue; it appears that the bot just missed the request... Bad bot. Craig  (talk)  21:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for delivering last month's newsletter manually! I must admit that I completely forgot about it once I submitted the bot request...perhaps a permanent switch to ChzzBot is in order?-- Midgrid  (talk)  22:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Gah, I was away at the weekend and completely forgot about the newsletter! I've asked Nascar1996 if he can process the request if I submit it tomorrow.--  Midgrid  (talk)  20:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Wondering...
Just out of curiosity, which bot do you use to deliver the Formula One Newsletter? --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk • Contribs ) 22:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the inconvenience. Currently, the bot doesn't have many reviewers of the messages. If you decide with MessageDeliveryBot (you would have to talk to Midgrid), you can leave a message at my talk page in advance to the wanted date so I can review it, submit it, and run the bot. I am however looking at the requests almost daily around 19:00 UTC. --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk • Contribs ) 23:22, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Article requests in F1 newsletter
It's a little rough - Erich Zakowski - but it's a start - just a translation from German WP. Added a photo and infobox. My German is worse than my French, and that's not great... Thank heavens for Google Translate!  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Every one knows November is the 10th month... :-( Boinnngggg - Time for bed.  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi there,
I notice you appearing in my watchlist a lot - thanks for your help :) Failedwizard (talk) 19:54, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Jake Pummer
Kinda messed up the 2011 NASCAR season charts. Can you rollback his edits to yours asap?Gaeaman787 (talk) 15:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

GT1
The GT1world.com website is still down so I cannot get an accurate order for the finish of the championship race, and I've run out of time before work, so I am unable to complete my work on the championship standings. I only added the retirements, so none of the points were changed for you if you can complete the standings.

And thank you for noticing the SRO correction on Marc VDS, good to see that is rectified easily. The359 ( Talk ) 18:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (October)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Formula One at 20:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC).

World Rally Championship season
Hi! You have reverted my changes to World Rally Championship season articles relating to the Rally of Turkey. Isn't better to have wikilinks to the appropriate season's articles instead of links to more general articles as they were before? Think about it once more. I guess the reader would have more information if it is directly linked to that season's race. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC) CeeGee (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Your Welcome
Thanks for that. The two minutes thing may have just been a coincidence. I noticed when looking to see if anyone else had received the October F1 newsletter yet. It appears as if I haven't got mine yet... Bigdon128 (talk) 01:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

P:CE/S stuff...
--Nitsansh (talk) 00:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Could you indicate the qualifyers for the final in figure skating GP? There's one event remaining so several skaters in each discipline should be secured... usually the cut is 26 or 24 points. Take note of the tie break rules and skaters with one event remaining...
 * 2) Do you have a clue how it was possible that Chinese gymnasts were in the top four places in trampoline men's qualifying but Japan won the team title? Isn't that a mistake?
 * 3) Are there no results yet from day 1 of the Asia-Pacific Curling champ'ships? they must have finished many hours ago..

Incomplete archiving
Hi Craig

I copied the first half of the month to the archive (Nov 2011 in sports) but had no time to do it properly... what left to do is add the top and bottom, which are nearly identical to previous months. Could you do it? I won't be available for this until late this evening (circa 8PM your time) and may have other things higher in my priority... it won't be a busy day so I hope you'll find the time... hope you have overcome the fatigue...--Nitsansh (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Canadian football playoff
It went under our radar this year... only the Grey Cup final remains on Nov 25... IIRC, the entire playoffs were covered in previous years... if you're in the mood to add the previous stages, you're welcome...--Nitsansh (talk) 21:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (November 2011)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject NASCAR at 05:03, 25 November 2011 (UTC).

What's "journalese"?
Why are you taking away information which explains things better? And what does "journalese" mean? Formion (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Journalese - "A hackneyed style of writing supposedly characteristic of newspapers and magazines." Which your previous addition was a common case of. Unsuitable for use on Wikipedia. More suitable for a magazine article. "The fact that both used Renault engines didn't help when trying to come up with easy, short names to distinguish them." That's personal opinion, verging on journalistic. Simple as that. Craig  (talk)  02:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, why don't you rephrase it then? Instead of just doing away with it. Or is this information irrelevant? I think it is a fact, people have had a hard time knowing what to call these two teams this season. Formion (talk) 02:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Because it is unnecessary; it may be a fact, but nobody needs to know which colour each car is, or how hard it is to differentiate a name. The FIA did that...one is a Lotus, and one is a Renault...that's what the constructor names are there for. Also, I don't respond on my own page, so don't move it there. Craig  (talk)  02:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't respond on my page when the discussion started here, so don't try to make things so difficult. If you respond on my page again, I won't take any notice of what you're saying. I don't think it is unnecessary to point out that both teams acctually was called Lotus-Renault. Both are Lotuses and both have Renault engines. Then many people call the black team Renault just because it used to be the Renault factory team, but that's not really right, is it? Formion (talk) 02:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No, both aren't Lotuses. The Renault team are sponsored by Lotus Cars, which gives the Lotus Renault GP moniker. But, it is still a Renault car with a Renault engine. Team Lotus have the rights to the name from Group Lotus and thus are Lotus cars with Renault engines. Hence why the constructor names make a difference. Craig  (talk)  02:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Gotta tell you
I'm starting to feel a bit like Mike Portnoy writing the Twelve-step Suite, with regards to the cycling season articles. Paraphrasing our article: I've "dug [myself] into a hole with it. ... After a while it became like an obligation hanging over my head, like a homework assignment"

I've got six done. And there's still fourteen to go (and that's not counting the three I've done nothing with). I'm a) not sure I really have it in me to complete them all, and b) not sure I have the time. I have been grossly neglecting my other commitments to focus on this, feeling like I'd go back to them when it was done. But I'm not even a third of the way finished.

Do you think you could write the prose for any of them? Even if it's just to write something to which I might eventually add, like the BMC Giro section. You seem to be the only other person who gives a damn about these articles, so I'd love to know. Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 21:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

US football
Hi Craig -- Now that Falcadore apparently doesn't care about the sports events page, should we go back to posting NFL scores? Thanks -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think if we limit it to simple scores with occasional short notes, it will be fine... I agree the page is way too long, but I think given the brevity of the football season, the resulting importance of each individual game and the dominance of football in the American sports world nowadays, I think the football games count as among the events most readers will be interested in. It's a matter of selfishness on my part, I guess -- I'd like to have a page with both NFL scores and the big news in "world sports" such as the UEFA Champions League and Rugby World Cup on the same place with links to the seasons. I think we can live without some of the obscure stuff, like the African Women's Champions League or whatever. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

2012_Grand_Prix_motorcycle_racing_season
Day of first race OK with you.... expires 12:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC). Let me know if F1 goes same way...  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

GA nomination of 2011 Astana season
The article 2011 Astana season, nominated by User:Green-eyed girl as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:2011 Astana season for things which need to be addressed. User:Green-eyed girl asked that you be notified of any issues. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Irritating
I wonder if it has occurred to you that if you use a particularly editor's contribution history as a basis for making cosmetic changes to a series of articles on it has the very annoying effect of cluttering up that editor's watch list. Motmit (talk) 18:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I just realized
I wrote a message on my talk page that was directed solely at you. I need some sleep in the worst way.... But do check it out. Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 08:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Rather than start a new section..... a word about the abbr parameter in convert. The idea behind it is to support version neutral English. Where British English would use 'kilometres' and American English would use 'kilometers,' using neither is generally preferable. But when an article does have strong national ties to a type of English, it's okay to use it. So, for the Team Sky article, you don't need the abbr parameter. It's not necessary, for the same reasons, for BMC, Garmin, HTC, and RadioShack's articles, either, though the sp=us parameter (telling the template to use US spelling) is. So, in the articles for Lampre, Quick Step, Ag2r, whoever...we should use the abbr parameter, since those articles don't call for any particular flavor of English (arguably, they could also therefore use a wholesale copyedit). Make sense? Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 05:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

And I loaded the pictorial thing of your edits that you have linked on your userpage...how in the hell did you make over 1400 edits in one day in September? Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 06:14, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (November)
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Formula One at 20:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC).

100,000 edits!
Congratulations... feel free to put this on your userpage, obviously...
 * Bigdon128 (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well Done :) Bjmullan (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

2012 Formula One season
Semi-protection ends in 5 minutes...  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Questions on columns drivers and stuff/More silly season theories
I know that the 2011 truck series page got quite clustered due to the mixing of full time and part time trucks running. However, for 2012, RCR will be running the #2, #3, and #22. The 2 I assume will be running for the owners championship, and so far Tim George, Jr. (12) Brendan Gaughan (8) and I theorize that someone else will run 2 races. In light of the fact that I don't want the truck series page to look super clustered and confusing, but in the situation where multiple drivers split the same truck, would it be good to place a small tooltip next to either the drivers name or sponsor to denote which races they'll be running instead of making a all new column for which rounds they'll run?

Speaking of Brendan, I read on NASCAR.com that Todd Bodine is looking for a ride in 2012 since Germain shut down. Casey tweeted last week that he'd be back in the #13 Geico (insert manufacturer here) with Bootie. Have you heard anything else on that? Gaeaman787 (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks! I'll try that out. I think Germain could announce soon that they'll be doing a full Cup season only with Casey Mears and drop their Truck team. Somehow in my head I have Bodine going to Red Horse's #7 with Mike Hillman, Jr (since RHR has some sponsorship from TBC Retail Group, and Bodine was sponsored by them in 2011.) There's also Ricky Carmichael and Jason White, both of whom have sponsors. I can see Carmichael grabbing the 3rd Eddie Sharp truck (since Turner already has 3 trucks) since he has the Monster sponsorship and probably won't do a full Nationwide schedule. I don't know about White, but since he's not going back to JDM, perhaps Jennifer Jo Cobb's team, or start up a second Truck at Penske?

Yes I know I'm talking silly season stuff here, but there are still rumors that Vickers is going to Nationwide with Turner. My guess is that he'll drive the 32, perhaps with Red Bull on board (he's the adventurous type). Somehow I'm thinking Landon Cassill would be a good fit to fill in the #10 for Stewart Haas since he was quite solid with Phoenix.

Turner said that Kasey would be back in 2012, so I'm guessing the #38 with Great Clips, but with a reduced schedule to like 7 or 8 races. I'm thinking that Blake Koch will land at Means Hamilton since he does have Daystar sponsorship (I think) and the new team has Crusader Staffing as a sponsor.

But that's just what I'm thinkingGaeaman787 (talk) 00:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm done
I'll give you this, if you want it. If you don't, just get rid of it.

I know I said I wanted to do another five or six articles, but I can't. I am too burned out. It's time for me to walk away.

I have complete confidence in your ability to write the articles I would like to see written. Your work on the three done so far is downright exemplary, so even if it takes a while, I know the others will be up to that same snuff. I would have liked to see this through to the end, and I do offer my apologies in advance if you have any trouble with the articles as I have them prepped, but I just can't do it anymore. It's too mentally, maybe even emotionally, taxing, and I have other things that I need to do that don't feel like I need to do them, if that makes any sense at all. We are all volunteers here, and this is my time to bow out.

I'm going to leave my status as semi-retired because it's not impossible that the Giro and/or the Tour may draw me back, particularly as that's five and seven months from now, but for all intents and purposes, I'm done.

Thank you so much for your help these last couple of months. I'm truly grateful, and even if I had stuck around, this little project never would have been possible without it. So again, thanks.

All right, one last nag: don't be gunshy taking these articles to GAC or even FAC (Garmin, at least, seems a possible FA candidate)! Get WP:CYC the credit it deserves! And you or someone will have to take on my New Year paroxysm of activity in updating team, rider, and (maybe?) season pages to show updated rosters – that is, after all, the whole point behind the transfers page.

Take care and all the best,

Alexandra ( Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 01:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC) so SineBot doesn't come get me)

And beware of link rot! Green-eyed girl ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 02:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

ndash, Wikisource and DNB
I am doing further cleanup on a number of articles that were created as a "bot lot". I see that you have got to some of them first eg this edit to William Dunlop (1692–1720). You need to be more careful when editing these type of articles because the DNB articles on Wikisource use hyphen not ndash between years in dab of article titles. So in that particular edit all but the first change broke links to the sister project. I suggest that you do not change hyphens to dashes inside templates that contain URLs to pages external to en.wikipedia (just as I presume you would not do so to strings that started http://...) -- PBS (talk) 01:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Bare links
Hey, I've gotten better with bare links of late. I noticed you adjusted a few on the article about the race where Dan Wheldon died, about twnety minutes after I edited them in. I actually spent those twenty minutes looking for some kind of template for the last link, because I've never done one that was a PDF file before. When I finally found it, I got an edit conflict because you'd beaten me to it.

Just so you know, my usual way of doing things is to edit information in with bare links to get it onto the page. Then I go back and expand the links out to proper references. I like to think that my writing style is well-suited to an encyclopaedia, but I've seen plenty of instances in the past where false or poorly-written information is added. I know Wikipedia is not a race or a news site and that I have no personal claim to anything I edit in, but the point is that I like to get the information up and added as best I can before doubling back to do references. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

2011 Japanese Grand Prix
Could you help me get the 2011 Japanese Grand Prix to Good Article status? The week following the initial review for improvements ends tommorrow, and I was wondering if you could help meet the targets on the article's talk page. Thanks, Bigdon128 (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, don't worry about it. Thanks anyway. Bigdon128 (talk) 16:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Darts in P:CE/S
Hi Craig and happy christmas!

Do you think we should have all World Championship scores in the portal, starting from preliminary round?? Was that the practice in such previous events?--Nitsansh (talk) 03:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with darts championships vocabulary... is preliminary round an equivalent to qualifying in tennis, for example, or considered part of the tournament proper? Anyway, I doubt that even the first round, which is the round of 64 (similar to second round in grand-slams), should be reported in full... and I'm not even discussing the importance of a sport which is hardly spread outside the UK...--Nitsansh (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * corrected--Nitsansh (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

References in P:CE/S?
I would like to have your say in this discussion.--Nitsansh (talk) 00:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (December 2011)
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