User talk:Cs-wolves/Archive 5

2009 Australian Grand Prix
Thanks for the correction you made to the Hamilton reference. I noticed I had done something was wrong but couldn't work out what! Thanks again :) Schumi  555  15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for 2009 Australian Grand Prix

 * It's always good getting something on the main page, it'll be interesting to see how high the page view statistics jump after this. I'd probably consider archiving your talk page, by the way. :) Aptery  gial  06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (March)
– Cs-wolves  (talk)  12:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Mass deletion of race results
WTF? You are vandalizing dozens of circuit pages. You better rectify this, and tell your buddies, too. -- Matthead Discuß   00:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

BTC Racing in 2008 BTCC Driver Table
Help needed! I'm busy rearranging the 2008 BTCC Table here as I said that I would. However, I've hit a stumbling block at BTC Racing, trying to show that Stockton and Oliver used the Lexus and the SEAT, while Howell only used the SEAT. If you know how to sort this out, can you enter the BTC part of the table on my talk page. Thanks Petera93 (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

2009 Spanish motorcycle Grand Prix
Thanks for the effort. I'll check the grid on the motogp.com site (there's a pdf on it) and correct the grid. Asendoh (talk) 20:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Lola links
Hi Cs-wolves. Do you know about the AWB editing tool? I think it could possibly save you a lot of time in replacing the links to Lola Racing Cars. Although I have noticed that as you are replacing the Lola links, you are also making many other useful changes to the articles, so feel free to continue doing what you are doing. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 03:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * About 770. Have fun! DH85868993 (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

April Newsletter
Chubb enna  itor  19:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Small gift

 * You probably deserve another barnstar for doing the Lola links, haha.. there are rather a lot ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Multi-taskers will inherit the earth! :D Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Motorsport in 2009 template
reply to User talk:Falcadore I think to get some movement on this we'd have to bring it up on the Wikiproject page. --Falcadore (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

DTM Driver Infoboxes
I noticed you added an infobox to Gary Paffett, complete with all his DTM results. A lot of the other DTM drivers, like Timo Scheider still need infoboxes and I wanted to do them, but I was wondering where you got Paffett's DTM stats from, so that I can add stats to the other drivers' infoboxes. Thanks Petera93 (talk) 09:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB
Looking through the number of times you are currently on my watchlist, I can't help but think that you would find AWB quite useful... Aptery gial  09:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. A bit like KERS then: you're allowed to use it, but it's generally useless. ;) Aptery  gial  09:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So in China and Bahrain but not Monaco? (sorry, I love a good simile). Aptery  gial  10:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Milwaukee Mile and change
Maybe you're right, maybe I'm right, I don't know; I've just never heard of a 1.015 mile distance. (Not that a big freakin' deal should be made about .017 of a mile!) I've only heard of 1 mile (NA$CAR won't be specific about track lengths) and the longtime CART measurement of 1.032. Unfortunately www.milwaukeemile.com does not show an exact distance, and I don't know if that is a new IRL measurement or what, so I only posted that distance with my best knowledge and to stay consistent with previous season pages on Wikipedia. 97.125.92.220 (talk) 04:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It must be a new measurement, because I've noticed that all of this weekend's race reports have the 1.015 distance. I wonder if the other Wiki pages shouldn't be changed to reflect this? 97.125.92.220 (talk) 17:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

F2 Cars
Well done, you managed to beat me to the race 2 results for F2! I was wondering whether it would be worth putting in the car names you can see on the live timing (e.g. Wickens=Red Bull - Lukoil) on the driver chart. What do you think?Petera93 (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, fair point- I was just also unsure about putting Motorsport Vision as the team for all of the drivers on their pages. I'd rather leave it blank, since they don't have specific teams, but its just my opinion, its up to you. Petera93 (talk) 12:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

F2 driver template
I can see that you're very busy today, but you might be interested in this discussion when you've finished. ;) -- Midgrid  (talk)  15:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick check please
I've finally managed to add Andy Priaulx's complete WTCC record table to his page. If you get a spare minute it would be great if you could just check that I've done it correctly before I move on to all the other WTCC driver's. Thanks again, Petera93 (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that, I knew i'd probably made a silly mistake somewhere. ;) Petera93 (talk) 09:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (May)
– Cs-wolves  (talk)  02:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet
A while ago race results were shown for Formula One and CART at the Rio de Janeiro circuit. Why did those need to be deleted? The F1 results, yes, can be found in the Brazilian Grand Prix page, but there is no page for the Rio 400K. 97.125.92.220 (talk) 05:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion you will be interested in
I'm sure that you'll be interested in this discussion that I've started. Thanks - Petera93 (talk) 12:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Not too bad actually
Thanks for warning me, but it wasn't actually too bad. Euro F3 had already been done as I wasn't up til midday(!). I managed to rack up my 1000th contribution doing the WRC drivers standings. I haven't updated any of the drivers' articles for F2 though, so thats still left to be done. Also I was still asleep during the first SF race and I can't find the FL anywhere. Cheers ;) Petera93  (talk)  17:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Change of username
Just to say that I have requested a change of username, to MotorsportPete93. Thanks - Petera93   (talk)  18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Saavedra Penalty
FYI Sebastian Saavedra has been penalized 30 seconds (5th to 18th) for blocking at Watkins Glen. -Drdisque (talk) 00:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (June)
-- Midgrid  (talk)  16:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

WTCC Report infobox
Thanks for the infobox and for adding it to the report. I know nothing about those templates or how they work but there's a slight problem at the moment in that it just says 'Race' and 'Race 2' rather than 'Race 1' and 'Race 2'. Could this be sorted by any chance? Thanks MotorsportPete93   (talk)  16:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, but personally I think it looks a bit daft, and a bit confusing at the moment. Couldn't it just say 'Race 1' for the 1987 rounds? Thanks - MotorsportPete93   (talk)  16:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates
A few templates you created, Template: 2001TdF, Template: 2002TdF, Template: 2003TdF, Template: 2004TdF, Template: 2005TdF, Template: 2006TdF, Template: 2007TdF,&#32;and Template: 2008TdF, have been marked for deletion as deprecated and orphaned templates. If, after 14 days, there have been no objections, the templates will be deleted. If you wish to object to their deletion, please list your objections here and feel free to remove the tag from the templates. If you feel the deletions are appropriate, no further action is necessary. Thanks for your attention. R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

2009 GP2 Series season
No problem! I saw the edit and it just didn't seem likely at all, so I checked up with Autosport and got the facts. I've noticed that Cybervoron is a little bit prone to wacky stuff like that, so I always check his edits! Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the general way of things seems to be that the other teams agree to allow those outside the 107% rule to take part in the race, as they are usually fast enough but have experienced some unfortunate occurrence during qualifying. Formula One used to work in much the same way. Mr Teixeira, as you rightly point out, is a different matter, bless him. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a shame, because I really rate Rigon. Paydrivers are alive and well and living in GP2! It reminds me of when Minardi couldn't afford Fisichella any more and signed Giovanni Lavaggi... I suppose we should be thankful Teixeira isn't in Formula One! Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Rigon's adventures in the Superleague Formula even prompted me to start his article, one of the very few articles on modern drivers that I've started. I hope we see him in Formula One one day. Deletraz... oh how we laughed! And Nissany... even Minardi were embarrassed by him. I was a huge Minardi fan at the time, and I heard that he'd brought them so much money that they couldn't turn him away, but part of the deal was an appearance as a Friday test driver at a GP. It was Hungary 2005 and Minardi were dreading it - they just wanted him to do a few laps and come back in, hoping that no-one would notice. Lo and behold, he puts it in the gravel, as well as being nearly 7 seconds slower than team-mate Christijan Albers. Stuff of legend. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's such a shame that motorsport still requires talented drivers to find money from somewhere, even though the worst of the paydrivers are gone. I loved Minardi ever since poor Luca Badoer shed tears over his broken car at the 1999 European Grand Prix, but they have employed some ropey drivers. I think Zlobin was marginally quicker than Nissany, but that's not saying much. As you say, probably better than Ide! The last (so far) of the real duffers in F1. Even the new guy Alguersuari seems to be a bit more competent. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was a bit suprised at Alguersuari's "promotion" as well and I did think he might be a bit out of his depth. He's certainly one of the least-experienced drivers to join F1 in a long time. But you don't get to be British F3 champion by being rubbish, and as you say, he was quite impressive about it. He benefits from the fact that F1 cars are a lot more evenly-matched now than ever before, so he's not automatically tailed off because he drives a Minardi or a Forti or something. Thing is, there doesn't seem to be any alternative for young drivers now because there's no in-season testing. He has to start somewhere! I'm sure his performances against Mr Turvey can only be boosted by his F1 experience, no doubt about it. It'll be very interesting to see! Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, Raikkonen was so inexperienced that he had real trouble getting a superlicence. He proved to be something of an unusual case though! Alguersuari does seem to have the right attitude, as you say. I wonder if his youth is an advantage in that way. At 19 I think things faze you a lot less than they would at say, 25. You have a tendency just to jump in and get on with it. As you get older you find that you think more about what can go wrong! It's interesting to see Baguette doing well - a couple of years ago I really didn't rate him at all. Some guys do need that extra year or two to come good. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

You certainly know your lower formulae! I have to admit that my knowledge of anything below GP2 was pretty sketchy until I got involved with Wikipedia. I think the coverage you and a few of the other guys provide on here is awesome and I enjoy following what goes on. These are the drivers everyone will be watching in F1 in a few years time, so it's good to get a head-start! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Autosport is a great way for a young man to waste his spare hours!! And I too am fascinated by live timing - love it. Glad you got hooked into sharing your knowledge on Wikipedia - keep it up! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There are an awful lot of worse ways to spend a summer! And I'll be checking out those sites for live timing :D Also, I've been amazed at a fair few articles I've created, now having absolutely no memory whatsoever of doing so!! None that turned out to be as important as Alguersuari's though ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm probably never going to leave my house again on a weekend, with all this live timing! And my god, thanks for that list! There really are a few driver articles on there I'd forgotten, among the music stuff. Henry Taylor, Eric Thompson! And yes, those NC races!! There are quite a few, and they're nowhere near complete... ! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting point about Perera - was he formally excluded, or just not allowed into the race via the 107% rule, i.e. DNQ? I guess it doesn't help Grosjean much either way! And live timing is a cheap way to spend summer afternoons, and that's also important to me right now! Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks like they gave Perera special permission to race, then withdrew it, leaving him with his original DNQ. Can't imagine that happening in Formula One - I can't remember the last time someone was excluded from a Grand Prix before the race for an infringement. Maybe Heidfeld at the 2000 European Grand Prix for being underweight... they're very reluctant to make the grids any smaller these days! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * About time! Big grids mean fighting from front to back. The new F1 teams will be fighting each other even if they can't compete with the established teams. Plus big grids in the feeder formulae mean chances for more drivers to show what they can do. It's win-win. Can't wait! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're right - it promises to be an exciting season in a lot of ways :D Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

That would make sense - or 6-10-10, or maybe an extra session, if they could fit it in with the TV people... Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they will. Qualifying has been pretty good since they dropped that one lap shootout business. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * God, I'd forgotten that - that was awful. Let's hope they have the sense to stick to the current system! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the memories of that system's inadequacy are coming flooding back to me. Whoever thought that was a good idea? I'll be glad to get back to a decent qualifying session tomorrow! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, no matter where you are in the world, some of the races are at some awful time of the morning! Speaking of which, I'd better get some sleep or I'll end up sleeping through Qualifying! Enjoy the GP! :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Rigon
Of course he read our conversation! I'm sure all self-respecting racing drivers follow what we say! Haha.. he really did a great job today though, I really hope he keeps it up. Nasty business with Massa, it reminded me of the Ratzenberger / Senna weekend - just the whole "not sure what to say" atmosphere of the TV people and the general lack of information for those few minutes. I agree with you on the Indy Lights edit - I reverted the other guy, so let's see if he objects! Knowing him, he probably will... Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember that weekend like it was yesterday - I still remember everything I did for the rest of that Sunday fifteen years ago. Today was one of those days when it all comes back, how I felt. Massa is a very lucky boy - as you say, little Surtees' accident shows just how vital the timing is. The sheer bad luck of it. A fraction of a second's difference and Massa could have been killed, with the spring hitting in a slightly different part of his helmet - straight through the visor for example. It doesn't bear thinking about. Last Sunday when I heard about Surtees I was just gobsmacked, then I had to throw something. Just every now and then things happen in motorsport that remind you how dangerous it is, then you feel stupid for forgetting that it's dangerous. I just hope the race passes uneventfully. Like you say, I don't see Massa back in the car for a good while. He's not fighting for the championship, so what's the hurry? He may as well take all the time he needs and concentrate on 2010 already. I would love to see Badoer in the car at Monza - he would really deserve it. Payback for not getting the seat when Schumacher was injured in '99, and maybe he'd get the points he deserved when that Minardi broke at the Nurburgring. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Greg Moore accident I only learned about some time after the event, I can't remember where I was that day. But hell, what an awful thing. The Rodriguez accident I do remember... the brutality of those two was shocking. A couple of accidents had an effect on me long after they happened, ones that I didn't see at the time. The Gordon Smiley crash at Indy in '82 is about the most violent accident I've ever seen, and even though I don't care to see it again, I can see it in my head and it still takes my breath away. The other is the Eddie Sachs / Dave MacDonald Indy accident in '64. That kind of thing can put you off motorsport and make you go and watch golf or something. I sometimes wonder how I'd view the sport if I'd been around in the 60s and 70s when death was a much more common event. That's the other thing about Surtees. John Surtees survived many years in the most dangerous era of the sport, on two wheels and four - and his boy is killed when racing was never safer. Horrible irony. On a happier note, it would be great if Gené and Badoer get a good couple of races each at least. Both deserve points, and as you say, Badoer has none after nearly 50 races. A legacy of his time in some of the slowest cars of recent years! Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine what it would be like to actually be at the circuit when something like that happened. It's something I really hope I never experience. The only GP my mother has ever been to was at Silverstone in '99 when Schumacher broke his legs. She said the atmosphere while waiting for news was really strange and unpleasant. Yes, Badoer's cars were always rubbish - just makes you wonder what he could have achieved with a front-line car! Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly.. and exactly! De la Rosa also scored points that season for McLaren (I hated that "(racing)" suffix too) in a one-off drive. It also adds extra excitement to a race to see someone like that given a big chance. Part of me would like to see teams run a third car for that purpose... haha.. Badoer must have the best job in Italy, maybe the world. Ferrari test driver for 10 years or more? Yes please! But I bet a big part of him regrets not scoring those points, standing on the podium, or winning... Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything's better than McLaren (racing)! And yes, I agree - even if he were allowed to start from the back of the grid, it'd be good to see someone take Massa's place tomorrow. And exactly, yes - that's a great example of three-car-teams working well. It also shakes up the two main drivers, gives them something to worry about. How about Renault, if they had a third car with Grosjean on board? It might make Piquet go a bit faster. I'd forgotten the Top Gear appearance! Haha.. I wonder if Badoer is dreaming again tonight. Let's hope it works out for him. Let's also hope tomorrow's race runs smoothly. I'm off to bed - enjoy the race! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Idea
Sure, sounds like a good idea to make it GA at least, since it may prove to be quite an important race. I'll certainly go through it from time to time, copyediting etc as I go :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Too true! We've already had some dubious stuff appear and disappear on there, so hopefully that'll gradually die down and we can get on with refining it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha no matter. It's opened up a useful discussion at the WP anyway :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It was until I added a new "SUS" code! I figured it would start a discussion and it did. I'm happy to take it off though, if people will agree to leave the boxes blank, which as you say, is the correct way. Same for Renault, assuming the appeal fails. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are one or two codes that basically aren't used very much, and the discussion at the WP will hopefully sort out what people think of them. It's here if you want to join in :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just reading the qualifying section, thinking how good it is. I really can't see a whole lot that I'd change at the moment. One thing is that Alguersuari was squarely in 19th for some time before his mechanical failure, with only Sutil behind him with no time. It might be worth avoiding the idea that his mechanical problems caused him to be 20th - he'd have been 20th anyway. I don't think it's too long - there doesn't appear to be any fluff as far as I can see. If anyone thinks it's too long then a discussion can be had! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do! It's been something of a busy day, but I'll have a proper look at some point today :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Just went through the race and post-race sections. It looks good! I made a few cosmetic changes, but there really wasn't much that needed changing. Good job! ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That part may be slightly superfluous, but still mainly relevant - at least it saves people going to the Massa page to see how he's doing, and as you say, the Weber quote is priceless - it has to go in! I think that's not far from a GA, surely? No doubt someone will find something worth adjusting, but that's part of the process. No reason why it couldn't make FA at some point :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (July)
– Cs-wolves  (talk)  22:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

GP2 reports
Yes, it's the same guy as well :-/ I posted on the WP:Motorsport discussion page to let people know he'd started again - I can't say I have the heart to go about deleting his articles again, last time he took it quite badly - he suggested we were denying him his human rights... What can you say?!! As for the flag farce - that editor in question is just thoroughly disruptive in my view - a royal pain in the backside. I'll not give up though!! AOK with the Hungarian GP article - I think it stands a great chance of success :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I couldn't let a quote like that escape! And I agree, I just don't think the GP2 races warrant their own articles. Findind enough info to turn them into sensible articles, with a text section describing the race etc - that's practically impossible, especially for the older events. I think the hidden comments on the flags were a good idea, I'm sure it dissuaded some people, but other nuts are a little harder to crack! And I think a peer review is a good idea - we're bound to have missed something or included something which needs more careful explanation for the layman. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes! I think everyone is heartily sick of the flags debate, and only one person has the stomach to start another round... and she clearly has no idea what a consensus is! I agree on a redirect and if not then deletion for the GP2 race articles. Realistically they're never going to be more than a brief section on who won, and a table of results. I wouldn't know how to set up a peer review, it's not been something I've ever looked into, but I'm sure a quick note on the WPF1 page would attract Darth Newdar or someone equally capable who's willing to do it - someone who hasn't contributed too much to the article maybe. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Lola Racing Cars links
Hi Cs-wolves. I've noticed that as you're been replacing links to "Lola Racing Cars" with "Lola Cars", you've also been replacing links to other redirects, e.g. "BRM" --> "British Racing Motors", "McLaren (racing)" --> "McLaren", etc. I was just wondering: are you identifying and replacing those redirects manually, or is there some setting in AWB to automatically identify and replace them? Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:2009 Hungarian Grand Prix
Thanks for sending out the newsletter - I was planning to do it myself, but completely forgot about it on the day and was only reminded about it when you delivered my copy! I'll take a look at the article at some point, but it looks good at first glance.-- Midgrid  (talk)  20:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've made some minor changes to the article and left some comments on the talk page.-- Midgrid  (talk)  18:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Rigon
Thanks for changing the bit about Rigon in the GP2 article. I kind of just made a wild guess about it without doing any research (although I'm sure I remember hearing something or other about a clash - but obviously not!). Thanks for clearing up the mess I leave in my wake. - mspete93   [talk]  18:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Templates
Hi! Yes, the Hungary article looks really good now - I think a great job was done of the little clean-ups that were deemed necessary. I'm doing ok, although the Flag Queen is doing her best to wreck my mood - did you see she started yet another flag discussion at the WP Motorsport talk page? Mr Cybervoron is unequivocably wrong with the surnames, and I reverted him. When is van der Garde ever referred to as "Garde"? About as often as Andrea de Cesaris was referred to as "Cesaris" throughout his over-long career, I'll bet. If "van der" is not part of the guy's surname, what is it? A middle name? Lol... Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with every word you've said there - and I have also started to believe that ditching the flags altogether is the only way this is ever going to end. She's like a dog with a bone. I had a discussion with her on our talk pages and her reasoning is just so warped that I can't help getting irate. I'll wind up with a warning or something so I'm trying to ignore her.
 * That dutch name article hits the nail on the head, doesn't it? If Cybervoron objects any further, we can direct him there. I'm sure the van der Zande / "Zande" situation on TV is either to save space, or someone making a mistake. Hopefully he drops the whole thing! Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope that re-adding the flags might be too much effort for the average drive-by user, especially if we get rid of all of them. I totally agree that she'll never give up, she's just not capable of accepting the fact that people don't agree with her. I asked her about why she didn't front up with the supposed admin discussion she was bleating on about, and she replied that it was rude of me to ask for a link to a discussion and apparently she just couldn't be bothered to find it. She also described the idea of proper dispute resolution with an admin as "a threat". With responses like that, talking to her is a total waste of time.
 * I agree that it looks like the TV people were space-saving with Zande's name, and I don't suppose we'll find any other instances of it. As you say.. bloody well hope not...! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well found! Wow, that is very interesting. She closed a discussion on the admin board herself!!! A discussion in which she was involved. I can't believe the arrogance. It also appears that nobody there agreed with her, when she told me that everyone there had agreed with her. No wonder she didn't want to show me a link!! This will no doubt come in handy later... Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a great help :) I've already brought it up at the latest discussion, and I've made a bid to end this rubbish once and for all. An armageddon-grand slam discussion which will hopefully settle it one way or the other - something we can refer back to if anyone tries to drag it up again. Hopefully everyone will have their say, and we'll see where the land lies! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

FMS/Coloni
What happens to the Fisichella Motor Sport article now? Do we do what we did to BCN Competicion and change its name? I think that Enzo Coloni Racing Car Systems and Coloni Motorsport's activities since need to be seperate articles. The team has remained effectively the same apart from the name anyway since 2005 I believe. I changed the ref on 2009 GP2 Series season to a copy that we could read without needing access to the media section, although an official announcement is expected later today. Thanks - mspete93   [talk]  11:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Autosport have just posted this story. It doesn't mention anything about their Euroseries 3000 operation, although it is in association with Coloni anyway so I'm not sure. If FMS is dead then we should move Fisichella Motor Sport to either Coloni Motorsport or Scuderia Coloni and we need to add info back as far as we can about the team before the FMS control. Thanks for the password. And your talk page is causing my Internet Explorer to crash! Thanks - mspete93   [talk]  13:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've moved Fisichella Motor Sport to Coloni Motorsport. It needs some work now. - mspete93   [talk]  15:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I was going to talk about FMS as well, including a results table and the like. has quite a bit about their history-it looks as though that was the website they used until FMS came along. Autosport meanwhile have now made all news stories older than 30 days unavalible to non-subscribers. Joy. -  mspete93   [talk]  15:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I can get on that one as well, but try typing 'fisichella coloni' in the search box and select the story titled 'Fisichella joins forces with Coloni'. Maybe they just haven't got round to all of them yet. - mspete93   [talk]  16:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Nicolas Hülkenberg
Hi. Sorry about points mistake, I just copied data from gpupdate.net, which was wrong (it still is).

Also, I can see you reverted my change where I added the fact he's a GP2 driver in the intro. Is there a specific reason why you did this? There is no explanation in revision summary. I believe this is important fact and should be left there, as someone reading the article wouldn't need to scroll to find out where he's racing now.Satellite779 (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

You should save yourself some work...
I've noticed you're quite keen on fixing links to redirects. I've just found this which you might want to read. If you're happy as you are then don't let me stop you, but the less time you spend doing these boring tasks that you don't actually need to do the more time you have for other, more interesting, tasks. ;-) - mspete93   [talk]  17:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (August)
– Cs-wolves  (talk)  15:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Feeling rather stupid...
Ha, I read it as 4 points rather than 104! Thanks once again for clearing up my mess. I'm just in the process of creating his page. I don't know whether you've noticed what I've put on Talk:2009 GP2 Series season with regard to the championship table codes - mspete93   [talk]  17:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Newsletter
I don't see any problem with having another contributor, even if that suggestion at WT:F1 was taking boldness beyond its limits. They haven't made any newsletter-related edits yet, so I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt until they do.

And thanks for the birthday message. :) -- Midgrid  (talk)  14:29, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Fastest Lap
I think Pérez is the driver who had driven the fastest lap. In TV he had 28 points.--Gamma127 (talk) 13:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)