User talk:Cs california/Archive 2

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Hi, this edit appears to suggest that your account is shared by more than one person. In case you are not aware, accounts must not be used by more than one person. Please could you explain what you meant by that edit. Thanks. GT5162 (我的对话页) 19:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see why I should explain but I will anyways
 * The page states User accounts must only represent individuals.

Sharing an account – Not being violated

or the password to an account - Not being violated

Furthermore nowhere said that there are multiple editors either. Also I have been on since 2006 so I don't see what the problem is. Also why would you want to know when you are not an admin?--Cs california (talk) 02:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to make sure because the message appeared to suggest that. Sorry for bothering you. GT5162 (我的对话页) 12:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Using wikimedia images on http://orchids.wikia.com/
Please, when you upload elsewhere images coming from Commons you have to specify the author of the image, inserting a link to the original file ! (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia)

I found some pictures of mine, licensed with CC-SA-BY license (see for example http://orchids.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ophrys_lutea_zingaro.jpg, http://orchids.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ophrys_tenthredinifera.jpg - http://orchids.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ophrys_lutea_minor.jpg ), without any indication about source and authorship !

Please, take more care ! --Esculapio (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops sorry about that -Cs california (talk) 10:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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Congratulations Cs california! Your image Image:Pacific Tree Frog.jpg was the Random Picture of the Day! It looked like this:. - Talk to you later, Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 22:29, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, sorry to revert you, but it makes sense to describe what something is before talking about where it is found. We've had this debate on a few wikiprojects and come to a consensus that this is a good way to lay things out....cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Calfornia towns: pushpin map redundant with existing map
Hello, Cs. I noticed that you reverted my edit at Mammoth Lakes, California. I think that adding a pushpin map to infoboxes for California towns does not help our readers. For example, at Mammoth Lakes, California, there is already a map that shows the location of the town in Mono County, and the location of Mono County within the State. Showing the location of the town in the United States simply takes up space and makes the main article more crowded. Hence, I removed the pushpin map.

I would not object to adding the pushpin map to infoboxes that do not already have county locator maps.

If you don't agree, can we open this issue up to wider discussion? Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 04:46, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree Based on the following:
 * 1. It takes up more space than most taxonboxes or the machine learning and data mining navbox.


 * 2. Cross wikipedia support: This is pretty standard as it is done on the Polish wikipedia, Tagalog wikipedia, spanish wikipedia and for the mammoth lake article see(French, Polish,, Serbian) If it does not help readers they would not have it in so many other languages


 * 3. Many articles on major cities that are separated into districts/provinces (eg. Manila, Paris,Guangzhou, Madrid, Barcelona).


 * 4.Location infoboxes are designed to take up to 3 maps.


 * 5. It gives context to where the place is in the US. You are not the only one looking this up on wikipedia, how would other people know where this is in context to the US?


 * --Cs california (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please do not add the pushpin maps. They don't add anything to the encylopedia, and it is a big pain to remove them. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I second what BeenAroundAWhile said.  Rcsprinter123    (chatter)  @ 10:50, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not see any rebuttals to my points. If it is redundant why is it on large cities and other wikipedia projects?--Cs california (talk) 10:55, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

May 2015
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 * I am sorry I used this template. I apologize, and I hope we can work together from now on. Sincerely, your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Lack of consensus for USA pushpin maps
Just a few weeks ago, as a result of this discussion, there was consensus among the participants at WikiProject New Jersey that state-level pushpin maps are unneeded, as articles statewide already have maps showing the location within the county and of the county within the state. These state-level pushpin maps are being removed. I appreciate your efforts to add pushpin maps of the United States, but there appears to be no consensus at any level that they should be added. These maps add space to already large infoboxes, and provide context that is readily available at articles about the county, state or country. Nor is there any need to show pushpin maps of the hemisphere, Earth, our solar system or the the location of places within the Milky Way, all of which is available elsewhere.Please stop and take stock. Before making further changes, reach out at any level and obtain consensus for your actions, huge numbers of which have been reverted by editors across the country. If there is no consensus, you can stop adding these maps once and for all and move on to other activities. If there is consensus, there are methods that will be far more effective to add these maps, such as using bots to do so. Until then, I'll be happy to do the reverts to restore the status quo. Alansohn (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the lack of consensus since many major cities already have these maps (eg. Manila, Paris,Guangzhou, Madrid, Barcelona, San Francisco). Also there is cross wiki support as shown here Polish wikipedia, Tagalog wikipedia, spanish wikipedia. Lets take one of your New Jersey article Asbury Park, New Jersey some of the articles such as italian,Dutch, Croatian, Azerbaijani, and French --Cs california (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Consensus would be in the English Wikipedia. It might well make sense to provide the greater context in the Polish, Tagalog, Italian, Dutch, Croatian, Azerbaijani and French Wikipedias, and they may have even reached consensus on those pushpin maps. Sure there are some cities with the maps, but that's mostly because there are no local maps that could fit the bill. The overwhelming majority of articles in the English Wikipedia *DON'T* have these pushpin maps for the United States. Before making further changes, reach out at any level and obtain consensus for your actions, huge numbers of which have been reverted by editors across the country. If there is no consensus, you can stop adding these maps once and for all and move on to other activities. If there is consensus, there are methods that will be far more effective to add these maps, such as using bots to do so and I'll be happy to join you in this effort. Alansohn (talk) 01:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus to remove it from the template either. So I guess I will just stay away from Your New Jersey pages. As for huge numbers of which have been reverted by editors across the country that is only by you. far more effective to add these maps, such as using bots to do so No bots will not work for this since you would have to write multiple if statements to accommodate the different conditions for CDPs and different countries. Just because you discuss on your project page does not mean there is consensus. All examples I gave are large cities that are heavily edited not some small CDP. If they keep the map that means that there is consensus among editors. I do not see you requesting to remove the extra pushpins from the infobox template or asking for them to be removed from other wikipedias for consistency.--Cs california (talk) 06:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That reversion is not only by him, it's by me too. I agree with Alansohn, you must have consensus before proceeding. I do not think these maps add anything of value and thus I've already removed several. Stay away from New York pages as well.-- ɱ    (talk  ·  vbm)  09:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of reverting the addition of US pushpin maps to Nebraska communities on my watchlist, for reasons stated by Alansohn et al. Unless and until consensus is reached in favor of adding the maps—and that's expressed consensus, not merely "consensus" in the qui-tacet-consentit sense—please don't add any more to articles on Nebraska municipalities. — Ammodramus (talk) 13:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not see how no consensus means removal and his argument was only for New Jersey Project and he made his case. You are moving the goal post and spamming my notifications so I am reverting your edits. --Cs california (talk) 22:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Furthermore I do not see any discussion linked from either of you guys showing there is the consensus is "No pushpin maps" only from Alansohn so I am respecting only his project since he actually keeps all his stuff consistent (eg. adding all census numbers and agreement to add those pink maps). Both of you make a very poor case. The New York Pages have various formats and none of you did any cleanup to make it consistent.--Cs california (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * In this discussion topic, Alansohn has objected to location-in-US pushpin maps for NJ articles. Ɱ has objected to them in NY.  I've objected to them in Nebraska.  In an earlier discussion on this page, Hike395, BeenAroundAWhile, and Rcsprinter123 objected to them.  This doesn't necessarily mean that consensus is solidly against them, since people who object to something are more likely to comment than people who approve of it; but it certainly indicates that there's nothing like uniform consensus in favor of them.
 * One of your edit summaries notes that not all Wikipedia readers are from the US, and presumably don't know where Nebraska is. However, I suspect that the great majority of people reading articles on Nebraska municipalities are American, and would know.  Those who aren't and don't can easily find out by clicking on the "Nebraska" Wikilink.  I've attempted to address the situation of non-US readers in some Nebraska articles by changing the lead to include a phrase like "...in the state of Nebraska in the Midwestern United States".  This serves the purpose, and is far less obtrusive and space-filling than the location-within-US map.
 * "Obtrusive and space-filling" is the problem with the inclusion of the maps. First, they create compositional problems by extending the infobox further down the page.  If there are graphics or tables, they get pushed down below the bottom of the infobox.  If there are graphics on the left side of the page, extending the infobox can lead to the sandwiching of text between the graphic and the infobox, which is contrary to MOS:IMAGELOCATION.
 * In MOS:INFOBOX, under the "Purpose of an infobox" heading, a general principle of parsimony is laid out:
 * "[K]eep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts that appear in the article. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance... [E]xclude any unnecessary content".
 * Adding a map that'd be unnecessary for the great majority of readers seems contrary to this principle. When I look at an article with the within-the-US map, I have to scroll down to see most of the data in the infobox.  This seems inconstent with the MOS's at-a-glance standard.
 * To reprise: the within-the-US map is unnecessary for most likely readers of articles on small cities in Nebraska. It extends infoboxes down the page, creating potential problems with placement of graphics and tables, compelling readers to scroll down to see the "key facts" in the infobox, and generally violating the MOS's parsimony principle for infoboxes.  The number of editors who've come to this page to ask you not to include such maps suggests that there might be a consensus against their inclusion.  I think that the onus is now on you to show consensus in favor of them before adding them to any further articles, or reverting their removal from articles to which you've already added them. — Ammodramus (talk) 01:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

OK I am happy to discuss this further but where? I do not want my page full of discussion stuff. But here it goes:

Pushpin maps are introduced in WikiProject Maps/Conventions/Pushpin maps and use only one svg file so they save more space by not having multiple files. Maps use CIA World Factbook maps 2008 style consistency as as shown WikiProject Maps/Conventions/Location maps. Pushpin maps are in this style The infobox for cities allows 3 maps. If people did not want this many maps they would have removed it from the infobox settings directy or not have it the settings implemented when it was created.

Note that you are not the only one using wikipedia, so not everyone will know where your State/province/region is in reference to the country. So claiming that we only need the city location inside Nebraska and assuming people know where Nebraska is within the US is a miss attribution since wikipedia is used worldwide. So given a country at random, you living in the United States, would likely not be able determine where a city is given the state/province/region without navigating to another page or using a map.

Large cities mostly have pushpin maps for examples: These examples show that the pushpin maps provides good context of where the city is within the county. As a bonus the map helps people who use wikipedia that have Dyslexia to easily gain context through the map. Those who say "why not have a map of the world and milky way" argument is moving the goal post. The scope of the Template:Infobox settlement is within the country, hence country is usually the default on the part which is filled in as subdivision_type, with 3 additional subdivision types. Having a map of country fits within this scope as country is a parameter in the text. Support
 * 1) Barcelona will show where Barcelona within Catalonia and Barcelona within Spain.
 * 2) Toronto shows where it is inside it's province Ontario and where it is with respect to Canada
 * 3) Guangzhou shows where it is inside it's province Guangdong and where it is with respect to China
 * 4) São Paulo show where it is within the state of São Paulo and where it is with respect to Brazil

Consensus is shown by a silent majority that have been editing for years and has not had problems with the maps. Wikipedia is a made of a community of users, pages with more edits shows more engagement and refinement to a standard. Most large city in the US has had this for several years


 * 1) New York City has had the pushpin map since February of 2010
 * 2) Los Angeles has had the pushpin map since February 2010#
 * 3) San Jose has had the push pin map since Feb 2010 and User:Alansohn did not have any problems with it back then eithersource
 * 4) Houston source
 * 5) Chicago source

We can look at this and think of it as testing for if there is agreement for these types of map since there are several thousands of edits since the maps are put in indicating that there is some consensus among users since they still have not remove the maps. There is also support cross wiki that I have shown in above arguments. As for your MOS's parsimony principle many template boxes are longer than these infoboxes (especially for plants with many synonyms) that is why there is a simple english wikipedia for that and also you can limit the size of the maps and pictures.

As for your MOS:INFOBOX the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance and  short form, and exclude any unnecessary contentthe map does both.

Secondly you apparently miss the fact on MOS:INFOBOX that Readers greatly outnumber editors . Your claim of Adding a map that'd be unnecessary for the great majority of readers seems contrary to this principle is false about 18% is from the US that is one out of every five visitors you cannot just not say I am designing wikipedia just for that one person and ignore the other four. Just because a couple editors got mad means nothing, you guys only apply the edits to the pages you like instead of making everything consistent. I do not see any actions keeping pushpin maps suppressed on every US city, cdp, and suburb or propagated to all pages so it is meaningless. Also I got more thanks on the notification for adding the maps than I got people telling me to not add them.

Hope this explains my point.

-Cs california (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You say "Consensus is shown by a silent majority". Consensus explains that it is not.
 * I think there is general agreement that pushpin maps showing the whole of the U.S. are not required in infoboxes apart from on the articles of major cities. This status quo should remain.  Rcsprinter123    (prattle)  @ 10:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I am copying this discussion to the City Wikiproject talk page to get community consensus. I'll also leave a pointer at Template talk:Infobox settlement. —hike395 (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you hike395 --Cs california (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have reverted these pushpin maps on the California pages where I keep watch. There is only one editor who is arguing in favor of them, and he (or she) makes the same remarks over and over again. Is there any way to simply halt the discussion, block the editor and move on to making the encyclopedia a better place to do research? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 00:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

US Pushpin Maps
I recently noticed you added US pushpin maps to several places in Mississippi. Thanks! These maps are really helpful, especially for my friends who are not long-time US residents. Your work is greatly appreciated! Jacona (talk) 11:44, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As a US resident I also sometimes get confused if I do not see a country map. For example if I show you Colorado and Wyoming without context how do you know which is which? --Cs california (talk) 11:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I too am a fan of pushpin maps, but like infobox flags, they are a matter of personal preference. In articles where the only map is a state pushpin map, such as Artonish, Mississippi, please leave the state map (which you seem to have done), as it seems more useful as a stand-alone pushpin map. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm changing my mind after looking at your enormous USA pushpin maps all afternoon. I love pushpin maps, as they are clean and easy to figure out by readers, but the USA map is too big.  State pushpin maps would be way better.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * For which ones? CDP's or Cities?--Cs california (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Please stop
May I suggest you stop adding the USA pushpin until a consensus has been reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities? I just noticed your edit to Bethel, Vermont, and you added a USA pushpin to an article that already had a USA map in the infobox. As I've stated, I'm a big fan of pushpin maps, but I'm not a fan of sloppy editing, and your Ninja edits are starting to look kinda pointy. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops thanks for catching that. Sure I will stick to large cities and not CDPs, Villages, and Towns. I think that is a good compromise. I am going to recheck the vermont edits now --Cs california (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I know you mean well, but I don't believe your continuing to add maps to articles which perhaps do not have anybody watching over them is a "compromise." It borders on WP:Ownership of pushpin maps, or maybe ownership of infoboxes of small geographic areas. In my opinion this is simply taking advantage of your interest in adding maps wherever you can, whether or not the articles call for them. Sincerely, 03:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not see how you can claim WP:Ownership when I immediately stopped when User:Magnolia677 suggested. Did you check the edits or timestamps??? No one mentioned that I should stop and you guys didn't even bother to tell me for several hours. I only stopped when I was notified and respect the discussion processes. If I were to take advantage I can simply call out Consensus and start editing again.--Cs california (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Permission to collapse sub-discussion?
Would it be all right if we collapsed Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities? I think we're feeling our way slowly toward consensus in the overall discussion of maps in US city infoboxes, and a discussion of who's being uncivil to whom doesn't advance that process. Moreover, we've got discussion going on both above and below the civility-and-ownership subsection; collapsing the ssn. would make it easier to follow that discussion. Thanks for considering this—Ammodramus (talk) 21:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Coordinates in infoboxes
When you added an infobox to Sichuan Science and Technology Museum, you used a deprecated format for the coordinates which is incompatible with location maps. This caused an error message to display in place of the map. In the future, can you use the new format for coordinates in infoboxes? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that I got the coordinates from google maps and did not know how to convert it -Cs california (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

No consensus for mass changes
Moved from my talk. Montanabw (talk) 04:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Reverting edits on montana towns
Why did you revert my edits on the Montana towns including the addition of template boxes on towns like Anaconda, Montana?-Cs california (talk) 04:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Because I saw at Wikiproject Cities that your pushpin maps of the USA are being added to massive numbers of articles without consensus. Further I did restore  the Anaconda infobox, and will look at others, but I am deleting your USA pushpin maps because there is no consensus for adding them, and frankly, they are vague and useless, the maps in articles such as Kalispell, Montana that have the county and cite within the state are better; anyone who doesn't understand where Montana is can  click on the Montana link (most non-Americans know USA maps better than Americans anyway, only we Americans are so totally geographically ignorant as to need such a map anyway!).   Montanabw (talk)  04:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not going to revert your edits but you are aware of this: Don't revert due solely to "no consensus".--Cs california (talk) 04:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been editing here for nine years. Yes, I am aware of that.  What I'm also aware of is this.  Which was why I reverted; you appear to be making mass edits of dozens and dozens of articles about smaller towns across the USA, absent consensus (which is mostly going against you) to add a USA pushpin map, which really adds little to the article other than to bloat the infobox (I like infoboxes but I know that bloat is one thing the anti-infobox crowd points to).  If you think it ought to be done, bring it to wikiproject Montana (and other state projects) and discuss there.   Montanabw (talk)  05:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree. Adding a pushpin map of the US to the infoboxes in these articles is not an improvement, which should be evident from wide-scale practice across Wikipedia. I noticed that Cs california has done this for Florida as well and I will be reverting these. I suggest that Cs california stop adding these maps and perhaps make a proposal at the appropriate Wikiprojects or the village pump.- MrX 11:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ETA: I am using rollback to revert all of these edits to Florida geo articles per WP:ROLLBACK: "To revert widespread edits (by a misguided editor or malfunctioning bot) which are judged to be unhelpful to the encyclopedia, provided that an explanation is supplied in an appropriate location, such as at the relevant talk page".- MrX 13:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I support the removal as well. These maps are vague and don't add any value to the articles. Where a city is located in relation to the state or county is valuable, a fat red dot on a US map is not. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with these guys. No fat red dots on USA maps. GroveGuy (talk) 14:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Concurrence with the above. If I'd realized that's what was being done to all the Florida cities articles, I'd have reverted them myself. Thanks MrX. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   Inspector General   ‖ 16:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Proposal was made here and I even gave concessions and there was no consensus. As no consensus and NO discussion the default is Don't revert due solely to "no consensus". Can we settle the case at the Dispute resolution noticeboard instead? If I am wrong I will remove them and change it all to whatever is agreed upon. But so far NONE of you do anything to achieve consensus hence there is no solid editing guide. --Cs california (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Essays are not policy, not do they necessarily represent best practices. Numerous editors, many experienced in writing and editing geography articles, have roundly objected to your mass additions of the US pushpin map to hundreds of articles. My reading of the Wikiprojects cities discussion is that there is no consensus for adding the US pushpin map to these articles, so WP:NOCONSENSUS applies. You need to STOP until you have established that there is broad consensus for adding such maps. I don't view DRN as being applicable, since you seem to be the sole editor adding this content on a massive, and (in my opinion) disruptive, scale. Also, please use edit summaries.- MrX 21:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not see any guidelines for these maps or the census maps. So can you add some CLEAR rules? So where is a good place to discuss it with a third party neutral moderator? can you open a Third opinion or WP:RFM case? There are no hard guidelines for any of these and we should probably include these issues as well issues as well:Flags on city boxes, census maps. Discussing on a wikiproject is a waste of time as there is a lack of participants and there are solid cases of WP:Ownership issues there(3 people dictating consensus.) I do not see why you are trying to avoid getting a consensus with the aid of a neutral party. --Cs california (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no single guideline. There are widely accepted practices, or standards, that editors typically follow when creating or editing geographic articles. For example, you can look at similar articles that have risen to good article status to get a sense of best practices. Generally, US city articles have a map graphic depicting the settlement as a filled in area or push pin on a county map, often with the county represented as a filled in area on a state county outline map. Readers who puzzle over the location of a state within the US, can click on the wikilink to the state article to learn more. They can also click on the settlement coordinates to be taken to the WMF labs goehack page where they can launch Google Earth, or any number of other geography resources. This is a logical approach. Showing a fat red dot on a map that encompasses 3.8 million square miles is fairly useless.


 * If you wish to propose a new guideline, then probably the best place to do so would be at the village pump.- MrX 03:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes I already know that. So if it is NOT useful why then is it in Featured Articles chosen for qualtiy has pushpin maps and reference guide and the example Minneapolis also has pushpin maps. --Cs california (talk) 05:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Minneapolis was a featured article on June 28, 2007, more than eight years ago. It did not have a US pushpin map at that time. It was added more than two and a half years later.- MrX 11:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying that MrX. You seem to be the only editor that is able to ground your arguments and address the points more direct. Can you attempt addressing the other points in the same manner as well? --Cs california (talk) 20:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you are asking why these US pushpin maps existing in other featured articles, it seems to be that Dr. Blofeld added them well after the articles became featured articles in at least a couple of cases. The edit summary he used was "for non anglo centric purposes needs indicator of where in the US it is". Were there other points that you wanted me to address?- MrX 20:49, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * This was my main concern: Inclusivity for Non-US individuals(almost 2/3 users), per MOS:INFOBOXReaders greatly outnumber editors, and to summarize key facts

and People with disabilities: dyslexia and some illiteracy. per MOS:INFOBOX supported by The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance and Make_technical_articles_understandable. Is there some other way to address this. Basically it is easier to look where the place is in reference to the US with the trade off of space. And for Large cities (where more there are more visits and edits) and Non US cities provide pushpin maps and have some have pushpin maps for about 5 years does this count as consensus? if not can it be removed without consequences or editwars? --Cs california (talk) 07:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm a huge fan of state-level pushpin maps, but the full US map looks terrible. I've edited hundreds of articles you've added them to over the past month, and they just look silly.  State-level pushpin maps tell a story; US pushpin maps tell nothing, especially when they hang right below a state pushpin map, as they often do.  I appreciate your effort, but I don't believe it has improved the project, and I'm going to start removing them when I find them.  I will also start a discussion someplace to have "infobox settlements" limited to one pushpin.  Just being honest. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I will help you remove all the Mississippi ones and change it to whatever is agreed upon when I get a clear answer of what to do. Sorry for the trouble. --Cs california (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Fauna of the San Francisco Bay Area
Hi Cs california: Just saw the many articles you've posted this new category to, and have to admit I'm a bit concerned. Wouldn't this work better as a list? If everybody in every county/state/country tags every article of every bird that's in their area (and more will, as soon as they see this), we'll have category lists that are larger than the articles! MeegsC (talk) 16:11, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I did not make the category if you want to make a list go ahead --Cs california (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge
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Notice of a discussion that you may be interested in
A discussion is taking place about templates that you may be interested in. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Location maps
Please stop including "USA" as a map option in New York City infoboxes. Instead, simply do "Manhattan#New York City". It is not necessary to show where NYC is in relation to New York State or in the United States, as New York City is a world-class city, and any sentient person should already know where it is. It's the map equivalent of overlinking. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW, please point to the centralized consensus in which you were authorized to make these changes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I just copied from one template what is wrong with adding a map?? the USA map just adds one extra line and the map is hidden by javascript. --Cs california (talk) 03:58, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you're making a very large number of changes to articles without first having gotten a consensus to do so, and I presume that you are using a semi-automated program to do so. It's generally held by the community that making changes to a large number of articles requires prior agreement by the community that the changes are acceptable.   Please stop until you have opened a centralized discussion and received a consensus to make these changes. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:08, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Where is your proof of this semi automated program?? --Cs california (talk) 05:43, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Please note tht I'll be rolling back your edits per the consensus at this earlier discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:00, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah include past resolved out of context issues that were two years old to attack me that will really help your case --Cs california (talk) 04:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Such a large number of changes ought to have been preceded by a discussion. However, in many cases I like the changes that my usually wise friend has reverted. The good ones are the changes that added a map to an infobox that didn't have one, or that replaced the NYC map with the Lower Manhattan one. I agree that, by default, these boxes ought not show the outline map of the USA, and it's not important even that it be offered as a click option since most of these buildings are of little interest to readers not already familiar with the relevant geography. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Then remove the #USA at the end and be done with it or ask not to put it on your project. If the building is not notable nominate it for deletion per Notability. There was no reason for putting anything this minor on WP:AN/I. --Cs california (talk) 02:23, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

AN/I
The following thread on WP:AN/I concerns your editing:. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:10, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hibernia Bank article
The changes that you made to the map on the Hibernia Bank (San Francisco) article make what information was provided there by the map much more accessible, and thus, makes the information in the article more meaningful to the people who read it. From what I understand, other editors have not appreciated changes such as this. I am not one of those editors. Unlike them, I believe that these little details which help to ensure accessibility are just as important as anything else we do here. I thank you for that change. —— Spin tendo Talk 01:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Not vandalism
This isn't an acceptable way to engage other editors.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:48, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * And this is? I will stop because you asked. Any Idea how to undo it??--Cs california (talk) 12:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Statue in front of legion of honor.jpg
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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Kelly hi! 14:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Kelly see section Licensing Photos were uploaded in 2006 before Wikicommons was used -Cs california (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - I'm afraid it has nothing to do with Commons. Wikipedia requires a license tag for the depicted artwork as well as for your photograph. Please read the message above. The same applies to File:Holocaust Memmorial Legion of Honor.JPG as well. Kelly  hi! 20:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Kelly still do not understand what it is about. The author is dead what is wrong with my photo when other works of the author do not get the same tags? (eg. File:The Holy Family Resting 2.jpg, File:Abe-Lincoln-on-Horseback.jpg). Also other photos on commons of the same work which also have been featured pictures are not tagged. What makes mine different? and what do you want done? --Cs california (talk) 20:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Cs california has a point. The statue was made in 1921, and therefore is no longer protected by U.S. copyright, like all works which predate 1923. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for researching that - it appears that this statue was cast in 1927 and put on public display at the museum in 1937. In that case the license tag for the statue would likely be either PD-US-no notice or PD-US-not renewed. Kelly  hi! 07:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, the statue is a copy. It was originally made in 1921, and the version in San Francisco was cast from the mold in 1927.  That's no different from a book copyrighted in 1921 being reprinted in 1927: the copyright coverage has now expired because of the 1921 copyright date, and the printing date is not relevant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Any idea when/where the statue was originally publicly displayed? That's considered the date a 3D is "published". Kelly  hi! 11:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll have to do a little research on that. Back to you later on today. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, it seems as if I was wrong about the date. Aside from the one source I pointed you to, which gave 1921 as the year of creation, all other sources agree on 1927 as the date for the statue's first installation in Seville, Spain. The book Energy and Individuality in the Art of Anna Huntington, Sculptor and Amy Beach, Composer says specifically that she made the first sketches for the piece in 1923. .  So 1927 would be the copyright date, so the license tags you specified -- PD-US-no notice or PD-US-not renewed -- would indeed appear to be the applicable ones. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Question - are you the photographer of the photos of the Legion of Honor that you uploaded? The image description pages don't say. Kelly  hi! 06:19, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes that was before wikipedia had usable templates for filling that stuff out -Cs california (talk) 09:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

UCSF project
Hi! I am currently revamping the UCSF project. I created lots of pages and added a lot of content, but there is so much still to do. I saw that you are part of the SFBA task force, so I thought you might be interested and I wanted to invite you to collaborate once more. In particular, we need to add content, do maintenance, and we really would benefit from pictures, so if you are in SF and could help that would be great. Thanks!Eccekevin (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Nikki Haley
Haley's birth name is already correctly listed in the infobox. Her "native name" is Nikki Haley; she is an American native.  General Ization Talk  04:19, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks I did not see that --Cs california (talk) 04:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Authority Control
The authority control is mainly used for books, as it provides links to library databases. It can be used for people who are authors, or sometimes for famous individuals who are likely to have a standard subject listing in library databases. For biological taxa, the equivalent template is Taxonbar. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Accidentally copied the wrong tag--Cs california (talk) 00:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Weight
They weigh 6 pounds or over when adults — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.155.30 (talk) 14:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?--Cs california (talk) 22:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Richard Ovenden
Hi, in this edit, you inserted the claim that Ovenden's citizenship is American. There is no mention of this claim in the article and it is not given a reference. in fact, the article mentions him growing up and spending his education and career in the UK. Why did you choose that citizenship? I've taken the precaution of removing the statement but do put it back if you have a reliable source. Thanks in advance for any clarification, MartinPoulter (talk) 10:16, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want to change it go ahead--Cs california (talk) 02:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Phimenes flavopictus
Hi, quick request–I understand that this species has the (ambiguous?) synonym Phimenes flavopictum, which is what it's called on the Wikimedia Commons category. I don't know much about wasp phylogeny-would it be possible to get some explanation on the page of this and why/if flavopictus is preferable? Blythwood (talk) 03:45, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * See the reference if you think the other name is correct just move the page and redirect it with an reference that is more up to date --Cs california (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Delta bicinctum
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differences
I am not sure when an article has been designated specifically in lead sentences and other parts of the article you are adding a link that is not as specific as the article? Is there some reason? JarrahTree 05:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What are you even talking about?--Cs california (talk) 06:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * your edits - Buddhism on Tibetan Buddhist items - is like adding 'christian' to catholic info boxes. JarrahTree 07:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * perhaps if that is problematic -


 * Tsurphu_Monastery in the article - the lead sentence and the information box very specifically refer to Tibetan Buddhism - to add extra info in the info box with 'buddhism' is possibly over-stating the case with a wrong entry? Tibetan Buddhism items in most wikipedia entries make a distinction because of the general cultural differences from 'Buddhism' per se. JarrahTree 07:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't add anything to the lead sentence at all. I am just basing my edits on the closest option in Template:Infobox religious building section Religious Affiliation. I did not see Tibetan Buddhism in the options. Adding something there is still better than nothing. If you want to change it go right ahead no one is stopping you. --Cs california (talk) 10:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have already, wow - trust your new year is ok for you - I still dont think you understand what I was trying to say - Editing inside tibetan buddhist articles with something just buddhist has nothing to do with options - simply a cultural misnomer. cheers JarrahTree 14:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I understood you were trying to make them all tibetan buddhist because they are more specific and more prominent than a sect. Edits were not based on opinions I am working off the template to fill out the information since tibetan buddhism was not really implemented into the template when they merged the separate Tibetan Buddhist Monestary infobox over a year ago. So the closest thing in the documentation of the Religious building infobox was Buddhism. But I put in a request to have it added and properly colored automatically to the template here which would prevent this error from reoccuring --Cs california (talk) 01:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, from my observasion Cs california is not wrong in this case. If you type Template:Infobox Tibetan Buddhist monastery, it will redirect to Template:Infobox religious building. How and why did it happen? Well, we need to trace back to the discussion regarding such merger of the infobox, so probably that is for JarrahTree to look after if he/she thinks this should be done the other way around. Of course probably CS california is not really the 100% expert in this Tibetan Buddhism topic, but at least he/she has followed the appropriate steps in determining the infobox for the article (expanding/improving the article). If I were him also, I would firstly look into the List of infoboxes page first and find the closest one to the article (basically the same). Since the Tibetan Buddhist monastery infobox is not there anymore, then I will chose the one step up (the 'parent' topic infobox of it), which is the Religious building infobox. Chongkian (talk) 08:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Because several of the infoboxes were merged in a while ago. I refrained from editing anything in that category for at least a year before it got completed. Someone also needs to take a bot and rename the deprecated fields such as `location_country` and `pushpin_map` --Cs california (talk) 09:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you both for explaining all this all so civilly - thanks JarrahTree 10:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I added a couple more comments on the issues with the templatebox merge here and did some proposed edits to the coloring to revert to what the previous colors were. Hopefully some of the points get fixed --Cs california (talk) 11:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Wish
Hello. Help improve, copy edit and expand for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. Tauthanhhuyen34 (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Why? I don't know anything about that --Cs california (talk) 04:18, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Cuban warbler edits
I removed the table you added to Cuban warblers, and wanted to explain why. I've noticed you adding these tables to lots of bird articles and I think they make sense where there are many species, but in this case there are only two and the specific details of where they live is actually covered in the text already. Also as there are only two species all the species are already illustrated in the article, so putting exactly the same images in the box makes little sense (and unfortunately there are other images of the species but they aren't very good). So, like, tables are good in most instances so keep up the good work, but in this case it doesn't really work. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  08:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Pterostilbene, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. ''That was a careless group of edits, paying little attention to style and punctuation. Also, if you're going to edit medical content, read WP:MEDRS first for choosing review sources with high quality. Thanks. '' Zefr (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So why didn't you just re-write the text? PMID 23691264 is a review of all the activities form Pterostilbene. Based on the history of your edits on the article you blanked the pages so many time there is no context why pterostilbene is taken by humans. Even edits that gave context to the DYK were removed Recent additions/2006/December. Where is the context that this is even a clinically being use in the article? and for what purpose?--Cs california (talk) 22:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * All the literature covered in PMID 23691264 is from primary research. We don't cite primary research to support medical content; see WP:MEDREV. Pterostilbene is not clinically used; if it were, it would be an FDA-approved drug, and it is not under development by any company as a unique drug candidate because it is from nature, so is non-patentable. See this. --Zefr (talk) 23:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no relevance if it is patent-able or not. PMID 23691264 is a secondary source as defined in WP:MEDREV "A secondary source in medicine summarizes one or more primary or secondary sources". The article still does not provide the readers any context on its use whether it is a dietary supplement or other uses for human consumption?--Cs california (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * First, you could invite the opinion of any editor on pterostilbene or resveratrol, or post a discussion on WT:MED, to get another interpretation about that article. It covers a lot of research, but it's all from lab animals, in vitro, or early-stage clinical research, which collectively are not usable for the encyclopedia, in my opinion. This isn't a Discussion section for a research report or a term paper: it's an encyclopedia that is supposed to represent the best-established facts, which are sparse for pterostilbene. The only fact that could be stated from that review is that "pterostilbene is being studied in laboratory and preliminary clinical research". If you're ok with that statement, perhaps we could use it. Caveat: You should know that the journal, Oxidative Medicine and Cellular Longevity, is on the WP:SOURCEWATCH list for journals the encyclopedia community would prefer not to use. --Zefr (talk) 01:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah I am ok with using that didn't know that journal was on WP:SOURCEWATCH. Normally I don't edit these articles but this one looked strangely empty. --Cs california (talk) 01:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You can try the edit in the Research section, but if other medical editors see it, it's likely to be reverted as too primary and from a predatory journal. --Zefr (talk) 02:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's a citation tool to help put refs in usable format. PMID can be selected from the pick list. Remember to use WP:REFPUNCT to put the ref after punctuation. --Zefr (talk) 03:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Cs california (talk) 05:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Correct italics for supersection
Hi, I see that you were trying to get the italics right in the taxobox at Banana passionfruit. It's been on my to-do list for a few days; I finally got round to it. The italicization of taxon names is embedded in various bits of code, so it needed edits at [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ATaxonItalics&type=revision&diff=900244202&oldid=873546397 Module:TaxonItalics] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AIs_italic_taxon&type=revision&diff=900244707&oldid=888921656 Template:Is italic taxon] (among others) to fix. It works now. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:27, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Cs california (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

References in section headings
Hi, MOS:HEADINGS is clear that references must not be placed in section headings. So when giving a list of species, at least for plants it's conventional to say something like "As of DATE, the following species are accepted:[REF]". Giving a date is important, because species are constantly being named or moved around genera, and we should not give the impression that the circumscription of a genus is fixed. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Genome template
Hi, I saw you added to Clostridium tetani here. Two things: (1) Something seems to be wrong with the values you added to the table. You indicated that the genome is 3.91 Mb and described in 2007, but the text says it's described in 2003 and 2.8Mb. The NCBI link you provided also says it's 2.8 Mb. (2) I'm not convinced adding that template to a bunch of bacteria articles is really useful. The average reader probably isn't going to be perusing NCBI's site to find interesting genome information, and the at the bottom of the page already has links to various databases for the more-familiar reader. Why add another infobox to the middle of the page with a link and a few tidbits? If you think all/most bacteria articles should have these templates, why don't we discuss it at WP:MICRO or WP:Molecular biology? If folks are in favor of adding the templates, we can probably do it in a bot run much more efficiently. Thanks and happy editing. Ajpolino (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The taxonbar does not link to the same thing. If you want to eliminate the genome template why don't you propose it? --Cs california (talk) 23:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Aloe harlana


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Shark
Hello, could you add an image map for shark? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure I will do it when I get some time --Cs california (talk) 23:50, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you add a Basking shark to the pic to even it out to 9 squares? it makes it easier to put in the map.--Cs california (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Line 3 of your user page
It should be "family Orchidaceae" not "Orchidaceae family" (the back story is here). WolfmanSF (talk) 08:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Dexamethasone
In this edit you removed content from the lead and added it to the section in the article that it summarised, thus creating considerable duplication. You didn't leave an edit summary, which is really impolite to other editors, especially on an article under general sanctions. Was there a good reason why you made that edit? --RexxS (talk) 21:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It was relevant to the section and out of place in the intro paragraph --Cs california (talk) 03:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:LEAD, the lead summarises the key content of the article, so if you considered it was "out of place" in the lead, that would be a matter for discussion – even more reason to leave an edit summary. Because the content you removed was a summary of the section you moved it to, you simply duplicated the information there. Did you even read the section after your move? --RexxS (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you thought it was needed you could have reverted the edit. But I am looking at the current version and it was removed anyways. No one is stopping you from fixing it --Cs california (talk) 23:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Anthony Chabot article
Hi CS california, It looks like you edited the Anthony Chabot article to include a caption on the photograph, but the caption indicates the photo is of someone else. I assume that's a mistake but didn't want to change it in case you know better than me. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anthony_Chabot&oldid=975941536 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zacacox (talk • contribs) 02:36, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You know you can just check the history for the picture and fix it --Cs california (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

famousbirthsdeaths.com as a source
Hi Cs california. I noticed that you recently used famousbirthsdeaths.com as a source for biographical information in IDubbbz. Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that it does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. I've gone ahead and removed it. If you disagree, let's discuss it. You may want to check WP:RSP and WP:RSN to help determine if a source is reliable. Thanks.--Hipal (talk) 21:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sindee Jennings


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Nomination of Sindee Jennings for deletion
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Cattleya mendelii
I had to do a lot of patching up of your stub Cattleya mendelii. I think that Plants of the World Online is a better source to base articles off of than Tropicos. Abductive (reasoning) 20:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Fossil iguanas
Howdy - looks like you added these four vague genera mentions to Iguanidae a while ago. Was there anything specific that these were supposed to link/be sourced to? Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just took them from what was already on wikipedia with their authority reference. If you think they are not correct remove them and change the linked page also --Cs california (talk) 22:18, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

False photo added to Pfeiffer BIg Sur State Park page
I believe you are the person responsible for adding the top photo on the current Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park wikipedia page, which is in a "protected" area. FYI photo is not of Big Sur State Park but of Pfeiffer Beach environs, which is USFS operated, not state parks. And photo is not of Big Sur River, which goes through Pfeiffer Big Sur SP but reaches ocean elsewhere, in a different state park, not at Pfeiffer Beach.
 * Is there a reason why you cannot change it to another picture from the Commons media page with the edit button? --Cs california (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

[1] no "edit" button on that section, internal text says "protected" [2] no idea how to find a specific location photo in that commons, not willing to spend hours trying to learn
 * I don't know what you are doing but you did edit the page as shown in the historyhere--Cs california (talk) 07:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

November 2021
Thank you for your contributions. It seems that you may have added public domain content to one or more Wikipedia articles, such as Monge v. Maya Magazines, Inc.. You are welcome to import appropriate public domain content to articles, but in order to meet the Wikipedia guideline on plagiarism, such content must be fully attributed. This requires not only acknowledging the source, but acknowledging that the source is copied. There are several methods to do this described at Plagiarism, including the usage of an attribution template. Please make sure that any public domain content you have already imported is fully attributed. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Diannaa It is not plagiarism when you paraphrase parts of a case. The opinion is 13k+ word while the article only consist of 1042 words. If you think it is too similar to the Court's opinion you can change the wording of the work. If you make a claim of plagiarism please quote the part which YOU claim to be plagiarized so it can be fixed. --Cs california (talk) 00:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't need to be paraphrased at all, as long as you make our readers aware that you copied some of the prose rather than wrote it all yourself, and that it's okay to copy. This is done by including the template at the end of the citation. If you wish to view the amount of the overlap, you can do so using Earwig's tool.— Diannaa (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Kianna Dior


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Saint Petersburg or San Francisco?
Quick note about your recent edit on Museum of the History of Religion: it seems that in the infobox you inserted San Francisco as in the map caption rather than Saint Petersburg. I'm guessing that was a mistake? Best, Eccekevin (talk) 21:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes just fix it --Cs california (talk) 06:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
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 * You know there is a button to compare history if you want to know what people did instead of spam their talk pages for small edits --Cs california (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * If you want to add that go ahead no one is stopping you.-Cs california (talk) 05:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Ranks in taxonomy templates
Hi, just to note that if the rank that will be displayed is shaded red, as it is [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Taxonomy/Bulbophyllum_sect._Napelli&oldid=1084906326 here], it means that it's not a rank that is accepted by the automated taxonomy system. It's meant to be a helpful clue, as I didn't want to generate a big red error message. Anyway, such errors will be picked up and corrected as they add the taxonomy template to an error-tracking category, so it's not something to be too concerned about. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

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Help with Giffords Law Center article
Hi Cs_california. I see you’re a member of WikiProject Politics. I’ve made a number of proposals to substantially improve the article about Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, posted on the Talk page here: Talk:Giffords_Law_Center_to_Prevent_Gun_Violence. Since I have a conflict of interest, I can’t implement the changes myself. Would you possibly have time to look at these and weigh in? Thank you very much.Brooklyn1576 (talk) 17:43, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

MOS:INFOBOXFLAG
Hiya. You may want to give the MOS:INFOBOXFLAG guideline a quick review. (In short, "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes [..because..] they could be unnecessarily distracting and might give undue prominence to one field among many".) Guliolopez (talk) 14:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No one really follows that and it depends on the Project too. There are lots of examples of these left on over 10 years old prior to that rule being made and they are not cleaned up. If you want to go and manually take them off be my guest. -Cs california (talk) 04:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Avoiding cut-and-paste moves
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Cintia a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Rebutia cintia. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases for registered users, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. DanCherek (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You know my account is older than your account and auto confirmed. Second the move is because the taxonomy is out of date if you don't believe it Please make a discussion on the talk page instead of spamming my talk page --Cs california (talk) 03:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, someone who has been around for as long as you have should be aware of the licensing requirements that are in place. I don't have an issue with your new article title, but you can't just cut and paste the text like that – it's a violation of our attribution requirements and it creates extra work for other editors to clean up after you. You can brush this off as "spam" if you want, but consider it a warning, given that you have received countless previous other warnings related to copyright and attribution. It's disruptive and in contravention of our policies and guidelines. DanCherek (talk) 03:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Cs california: I appreciate the good work you do on plant articles. The issue is not changing the article title and content to keep up with changes of taxonomy, which is necessary, but how it's done. There are two main cases:
 * Species transferred to a new genus. As says above, use the Move tab. There's a tool which makes swaps if the move can't be made; I'm always happy to help if asked (I've been making a large number of moves of Bromeliaceae species recently).
 * Genus sunk into another genus. Here you do have to copy and paste any useful information from the old page, before converting it to a redirect. Your edit summary should make this clear.
 * Peter coxhead (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Peter coxhead Yeah I am not up to date with the tools. Prior to this it was just a redirect to move the page.
 * Cs california (talk) 17:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Bulbophyllum sect. Furvescens
Hi, as you have made the article I'm contacting you. The correct spelling of the section is Furvescentia. The authors published it in the wrong way. Check these databases for more information: https://www.tropicos.org/name/100374098 https://www.ipni.org/n/77114299-1 Best wishes Badlydrawnboy22 (talk) 22:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am going to move it because you looked into it. But the phylogeny article list it as Furvescens --Cs california (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for moving it. At Tropicos you can find the explanation why the correct form is Furvescentia. Best wishes Badlydrawnboy22 (talk) 08:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)