User talk:Ctatkinson/Archive 2

Re: your edits to Mahdist War battles
I noticed you have been editing the Mahdist War articles, adding passages about Frank Rhodes' participation. I regretfully had to delete some of these edits as it would be impossible to mention all the people who participated in that campaign. Other famous soldiers did their bit in Sudan: Sir Archibald Hunter, Sir Hector MacDonald, Sir William Forbes Gatacre etc...Due credit should be given in the biographical articles not the ones about the campaign or they would quickly become cluttered with trivia.

Two of your edits still stand: Battle of Omdurman and Battle of Abu Klea where F. Rhodes' actions were notable.

Thank you for your understanding and happy editing!

Raoulduke47 22:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Mahdist War battle articles are a little too sparse, so I added Frank Rhodes where appropriate. Although there are of course others who deserve mention, I started with Rhodes because of his celebrity status.  Nevertheless, you are the main author of these pages, so I will defer to your judgement.  Ctatkinson 03:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

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Release Version Nominations/Set Nominations/Wars of Africa
Hi Ctatkinson. Could you please have a look at the link and see if you can help? Some articles are needing more references in order to get released. You can leave your comments at the page as well. Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF  - Wiki me up®  17:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Dunottar Castle
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Burnham family
I see you have much interest in the Burnham family, that you have personal knowledge of Russell being an Eagle Scout, and have uploaded many pictures from the family album. Can I ask: Are you a part of this family or actually know them? You've done much on the Major's article and with just a little work, we can collaborate to get it to GA, maybe even FA. Pls respond here.Rlevse 15:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Your offer is most welcome. On my mother's side of the family, the Major is my great-grandfather and Russell is my first cousin. I've been progressively adding to the article on the Major (cites, tidbits, etc) and now I think it needs pruning and editorial from other eyes.  I'm normally on WP quite frequently, but for the next 2wks I'll have limited access.  Let me know how you would like to proceed, and many thanks! -- Ctatkinson 22:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll pick at it over the near future. The big quote needs a total rework, can you turn it into a para or two of prose worked into the article and use the book as a footnote. THis quote could even be a copyright violation, but since it's so old, maybe not. I'll be working copyedit, layout, lead, etc.Rlevse 23:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've created a sandbox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ctatkinson/Sandbox - and done the following: 1) moved Roosevelt's quote to Roovelt's World War I volunteers section; 2) deleted the rest of the Richard Harding Davis excerpt (the whole book is available in project Gutenberg); 3) deleted the Quotes section (already in Wikiquotes); 4) deleted the See Also section and the link to the Africa Region (not particularly helpful to this article). Better?  -- Ctatkinson 03:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe so. Pls incorporate it in the article. Post note when done. I'll leave the article alone until you're done.Rlevse 09:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Article has been updated. -- Ctatkinson 17:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The para on Second Matabele War needs a ref. If Roderick was ever in Scouts as kid or adult, can you add that?Rlevse 22:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ref from Selous' book added. Roderick lived in Africa as a boy, but I have not records that he ever participated in Scouting.  However, Roderick's son, Frederick Russell Burnham II, was a boy scout and a scout leader -- if that is relevant.  -- Ctatkinson 19:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd already added Fred II, but wondered about Rod.Rlevse 21:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

This sentence in the lead "By all accounts Burnham was a humble man who refused to exploit his reputation and instead chose to live as Fred Burnham, scout, rancher, and oil man." is not a summary of anything and sounds like WP:CRUFT. See if you can work it into the body and make it more encyclopedic.Rlevse 23:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You haven't been on in a week, so I'm cutting this line. If you can work it into the main article later, have at it.Rlevse 01:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I just returned from camping. Your revisions are nice improvements -- thanks!  This weekend, I'm going to clean up the References section and remove those cites that are repeated in the footnotes. I have a Bruce Burnham cite I need to add.  I also have cites on two attempts to make Scouting on Two Continents into a film: Cecil B. DeMille and Ernest Hemmingway.  -- Ctatkinson 00:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the GA nomination and scouting bio of the month!!! Until the GA review is completed, I'm leaving the article as is and working only my Sandbox version. The Footnotes and References sections have grown significantly over time and needed extensive reworking. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the latest revision to these sections - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ctatkinson/Sandbox. Also, I removed the Gutenberg links to the Haggard books -- the Nada Burnham paragraph already references books adequately and they are otherwise not signficant to this article. -- Ctatkinson 01:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your sandbox is coming along fine. When you're done, just drop it back into the article (keeping an eye out for other changes people may have made), even if the GA candidacy is not done yet.Rlevse 12:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

WPZW September
Hi,

As the number of people taking part in WikiProject Zimbabwe grows, I have more and more people to notify of changes. If you havn't already done so, please could you add the notice board to your watch list so that I can add any changes there and only once not as many times as there are members. Many thanks, Mangwanani 13:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Burnham GA
Mang reverted himself so the article on Burnham is back up under the GA section on the Zim WikiProject page. Perspicacite 20:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Now nominated at WP:FAC. Let's react quickly to issues raised, it's the best way to get through a FAC successfully.Rlevse 15:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Burnham images
See the new images talk page re two images. Can you supply the info needed on the image pages (just click on the image and you'll see.)? Rlevse 21:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Burnham FAC
Can you help with the citation needed tag someone put on the article and the comments left on the FAC page? I'm pretty much at a disadvantage on this one.Rlevse 01:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There are many controversies and conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Lord Kitchner, but Fritz Duquesne comes up in several sources. I've now cited Clement Wood's 1932 book appropriately titled: The Man Who Killed Kitchner; the life of Fritz Joubert Duquesne. -- Ctatkinson 01:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Response to Septentrionalis FAC questions
Rleves - I'm copying the comments found in the FAC to this location. Please take a look. -- Ctatkinson 03:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please copy edit. I found three spots that could be improved; there are probably more. A good pair of eyes that haven't seen the article before would be very useful. Please be brief and use the active voice; and avoid any turn of phrase you are used to seeing in print. Pmanderson PMAnderson 00:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what he is really expecting from us...
 * Get a neutral and literate editor to look over the article; that's all. It will be very difficult for you to see clumsiness in your own prose. I will try myself, if I have time. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If the assassination of Kitchener is Burnham's account, say so in the text. It's not the standard version.
 * Duquesne's assassination of Kitchener is certainly not Burnham's account. In the book Taking Chances, Burnham indiciates that he does not believe it really happend the way Duquesne claimed.  Nevertheless, it is a claim made by Duquesne and it is documented in several sources, including Clement Wood's 1932 biography on Duquesne.  That said, I suppose we could change this part of the Burnham article as follows: ...and claimed to have killed...  I'll make this change.
 * Burnham's doubts should also be mentioned, I think. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you really check the New York Times for 1910? If not, please use the source actually consulted, perhaps with a note citing the New York Times of April 17, 1910: "May import African animals to solve meat problem".
 * Actually, yes. The newspaper cites were all found in ProQuest Historical Newspapers (note: ProQuest has the complete run of about a dozen newspapers, including the New York Times (1851-present), Los Angeles Times (1881-present), and the Atlanta Constitution (1868-1925).  The newspapers articles found in ProQuest were all in full-image format.)
 * Good. A note to this effect (perhaps above the notes) may reassure the next reader. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.Rlevse 13:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It would help to redo the footnotes to the standard method: one footnote per sentence, which may contain multiple sources. Since Richard Harding Davis, for example, is in the references, it is enough to say Davis, p. xx in each note. Please include page numbers for Davis, unless its all on p.192 (in which case the note should say so) or his index is better than we have any reason to expect; separate notes will permit this. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll remove the reference to p.192 in Davis' book. However, this book is found online in both Project Gutenberg and  Wikisource, so I'm not sure a page cite is appropriate -- online sources don't usually keep page numbers.

CONGRATS on your first FA! You were the key on this one. Outstanding job!Rlevse 03:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hoary
Hoary is a superb copyeditor I ask to help often. He ran through Burnham and left some inline notes and comments (go to edit mode and search for the comments <!....>. The notes are not a big deal, but could you address the few questions I don't know the answer to, such as . ? Thanks.Rlevse 22:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Scouting barnstar
-for superb work in getting Frederick Russell Burnham to featured article status.Rlevse 17:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Burnham questions
Can you at Hoary's talk on Burnham and his inline questions and answer them? I don't know the answers. Thanks. Rlevse 17:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * to find it, open the article in edit mode, Yaqui section, and in first sentence find "What was the nature of this association? (in commments)"Rlevse 10:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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Operation Barbarossa
Hi, This is just an invitation to get together at the Operation Barbarossa discussion page and see if the article can't be improved to the FA level. I am going to try and firstly restructure and later rewrite the article in my sandbox (firstly at home on my PC), but I have already discussed some ideas with one other contributor and would appreciate more input from members of the task force.--Mrg3105 (talk) 23:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)