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The Prilep Image
What you need to do is tell everybody that the image is free. See Image:KozaniFlag.jpg, which was taken by a user, and how he gives a description. You need to do something very similar. If you still have trouble, ask an admin to help you  Balkan Fever  12:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems OK now. Great camera work by the way, it looks really good :).

One more thing, remember to sign your posts on talk pages, by typing ~.

If you want to know more about editing, feel free to ask.  Balkan Fever  12:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

re:Alexander
I think a Greek nationalist got rid of it. Bring it up on the talk page.  Balkan Fever  01:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Pazi se bidejkji ako ušte ednaš ja staviš slikata vo statijata ke kršiš WP:3RR. Pišuvaj prvin na stranata za razgovor. Pozdrav  Balkan Fever  07:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Alexander was, is and always will be Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DefendEurope (talk • contribs) 06:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Makedonija Berlin
Imaš napravena mnogu dobra statija tuka, no treba da ima "infobox". Ako imaš vreme, gledaj gi statiite za klubovi vo Bundesliga i stavi takov šablon. P.S. vo koja liga e ovoj klub? Pozdrav  Balkan Fever  08:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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Makpetrol
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Macedonian knowledges needed
Hi,Cukiger! I created mk:Ајнтрахт Франкфурт at the Macedonian wiki. Could you have a look on it? Please feel free to add something. Thanks and regards -Lemmy- (talk) 13:35, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hilfe
Können Sie bitte hier Ihre stimme nutzen. Danke--Raso mk (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Laveol
Well, he hasn't broken the three revert rule, but maybe you should bring it up on the talk page, so you can both discuss the matter.  Balkan Fever  00:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Macedonian Cross.png
Can you please clarify the source and copyright status of this image a bit further? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Found, copyvio: . Warning. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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subst:adw|List of Macedonian Patriotic Songs}} SWik78 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

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Suggestion
I followed your discussion over the article about Vergina sun.Here,on this website,you can see a lot of info about the recent findings.I think you know what im talking about. http://my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/macedonian-sun-makedonsko-sonce —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChRis (talk • contribs) 06:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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According to Wikipedia:
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The same source! Another joke?
Image located by Dov Gutterman at http://www.bulgariaonline.bg/macedonia/

Flag with initials used on it. The Bulgarian/Macedonian name that sounds something like "Vnutrashnya Makedonska Revolucionarna Organizacija." BMRO fought primarily against Turks for the independence of Bulgaria and Macedonia, and as might be seen from the flag, the ideology was anarchic-revolutionary (as were the methods). The group was soon (at the beginning of the 20th Century) split between those wanting Macedonia as a part of Bulgaria and those struggling for the independence of Macedonia. Therefore, to cut the story short, today we have VMRO both in modern Bulgaria and Macedonia (where it is called VMRO-DPMNE), both being modern democratic parties that have long forsaken their anarcho-revolutionary methods. Željko Heimer, 24 February 2002

The same source! Again joke?
Official flag of VMRO-DPMNE

Article 5 of the party statutes says:

The Party has a coat of arms, a flag and an anthem.

The Party coat of arms is a stylized-shaped lion with a crown in gold colour pictured on a red shield. Above the shield is a red ribbon with yellow letters inscribed 1893-1990, and below the shield on a red ribbon is isnscribed with yellow letters the name of the party VMRO-DPMNE.

The Party flag has a ratio of 1:2, divided along the length in red-black halves, in ratio one to each other as one to one, and in the upper left corner on the red field is set the Party coat of arms.

The flag and the coat of arms of the party are shown on the party website. However, the statutes mentioned above clearly state that the emblem should be placed in upper left corner, not in the middle as shown on that image.

Željko Heimer, 20 November 2001

1893 is the year when the Macedonian national-liberation organization called VMRO was formed and the year 1990 symbolizes the year when VMRO-DPMNE was formed, claiming to be the successor of the historical VMRO.

Zdravko Saveski, 20 October 2002 Jingby (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

No more jokes
The statute of Bulgarian Party VMRO-BND, 2008 (in Bulgarian) Art. 3. Par 1. Знаме с правоъгълна форма, разделено на две равни части, като горната част е в червен цвят, а долната - в черен и със златен надпис в средата ВМРО-БНД. Rough translation: Banner with rectangle form and divided in two equal parts. The upper part is in red and the lower part is in black colour. 

The statute of Macedonian Party VMRO-DPMNE, 2008 (In Macedonian) Article 5, Par. 3: Партиското знаме е со димензии со однос 2:1 по должина, поделено на црвено-црни полиња, чиј сооднос е еден спрема еден, а во горниот лев агол на црвена основа е поставен партискиот грб. Rough translation: The Party flag has a ratio of 1:2, divided along the length in red-black halves, in ratio one to each other as one to one, and in the upper left corner on the red field is set the Party coat of arms.

Stop using political symbols for nationalistic PROPAGANDA! Jingby (talk) 14:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

According to an article from the Macedonian journalist Spase Shuplinovski in the Macedonian mainstream daily newspaper Utrinski vesnik - issue 1166, October 16, 2006 the flag of the Macedonian party VMRO - DPMNE was adopted from Ivan Mihaylov's IMRO, which was banned in 1934. Jingby (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I can see, this is a open letter by a reader . Spase Shuplonovski is not a journalist, is not a journalist article, but an independent oppinion by a reader of the "Utrinski Vesnik" newspaper. I do not think that this reference is acceptable. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 12:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Revert parole
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Stop reverting articles without explanation, please. Read the revert parole. Regards. Jingby (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Cukiger, I would ask you to visit the history page of National Liberation War of Macedonia. I spend so much time making this article, and this user Köbra comes and vandalizes the whole text of the article and excludes valuable photos. i would like your opinion on the subject. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

What about this? A Bulgarian who declares himself Macedonian does not make him Macedonian, but macedonophile. It should not be hard to understand.Jingby (talk) 06:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's true. A Bulgarian who declares himself Macedonian cannot be Macedonian. Cukiger (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Blocked
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What is the feedback...
...from your compatriots on this? I can assume that the Greeks will be a little grumpy over RoM in Makedonski on the passports and internally, but I'd also like to know what the other side feels. Who thought of this proposal? Was it Nimetz? Do you see light at the end of the tunnel? :-) NikoSilver 22:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I have red that there was no claer point in the proposal about the nationality.. it is not sure whether the nationality will be 'Macedonian' and statehood 'Northern Macedonian' or both being 'Northern Macedonian'. I don't think that the word "Makedonska" as nationality is part of the proposal.Cukiger (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Jesus... When are we going to get rid of all this unnecessary crap? NikoSilver 23:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I am sure the dispute will be finished until summer 2010, but of course it's possible before that, too. Cukiger (talk) 23:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Why especially then? NikoSilver 19:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, if the actual proposal won't be the solution, then I think 1 year will be enough to find a solution. And you probably know that talks will not continue before the elections in Macedonia and the USA (if this proposal will not be accepted), so the name talks will be probably continue in summer 2009. Cukiger (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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It's not ok to revert for no reason. Just tell me what wa the reason nehind this revert. Have you forgotten that according to the Macedonia ar\bitration case you should provide an explanation for every revert. Not doing so like in this case might as well lead to a further block.-- L a v e o l  T 11:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Red star was a symbol of Yugoslavism
As I wrote to Neutralista on his talk page the red star is a symbol of Yugoslavia. In addition to what I have wrote to him I have checked that in every constitution of the SFRY and its republics and autonomous provinces the red star is not defined as the symbol of Communism. On what do you base your statements. You acknowledge that Yugoslavia had no Communism but Socialism and yet you insist on defining the symbols of today's Macedonia as being Communist. It is simply not, nor had ever been. The fact that a main political party was called the Union of Communists of Yugoslavia has nothing to do with the symbolism of the red star. -- Imbris (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

If the red star was a symbol of Yugoslavism, it would have been used in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, too and the Republic of Macedonia would definitely not use it today as its coat of arms. the red star never appeared before the creation of the Communist party of Yugoslavia as a Yugoslavist symbol, although there were several political movements in the 18th and 19. century which worked towards the creation of a common South-Slavic country. Cukiger (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

The entire reference you give is historical revisionism. Kingdom of Yugoslavia was a greater Serbian construct rather than a federal state of 6 nations and many nationalities. You and your opinion cannot be referenced as a source. The question of whether the Republic of Macedonia would or wouldn't, should or shouldn't use the current Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia is beyond out debate. The question is why do you insist on claims that cannot be supstantiated by sources (relevant sources from that time period). Why are you defamating the current CoA of Macedonia? If you do not agree with that CoA it is OK, but you simply cannot demand that this communitiy of encyclopeadists on Wikipedia trust you and your emotional discomfort with the current CoA of Macedonia. What would the New Zealanders say about your insistance that the red star is always a symbol of Communism. Everyoune would agree that the hammer and sickle is the No. 1 symbol of Communism and Socialism as well (the "West" doesn't differentiate the two). -- Imbris (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I did not refer only to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, but also to pro-Yugoslav figures and organizations from the 18th and 19th century. I have no problem with the actual coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia. I accept that it is a symbol of the socialist past of the country. You cannot compare the red stars in the flag of New Zealand with the communist red star. Of course, those in the flag of NZ do not represent communism, becuase NZ never was a socialist country. It is pretty obvious (and therefore does not have to be proved) that the red star in SR Macedonia's, SR Croatia's and SFR Yugoslavia's OCA was used because of Yugoslavia being a socialist country. If you want the article to state that the red star in the Macedonian COA does not represent the communist red star, then you have to prove it.. Cukiger (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I have proven that according to the Constitution of that time period the red star was not identified as a solemnly Communist symbol. The hammer and sickle played that role. Also you can look at any official document of the former Yugoslavia and you cannot find any that would identify the red star as being a Communist symbol. It was the symbol of National Liberation and Struggle of Yugoslavia.

When the No. 1 legal document of the land says differently then you are the one who should find a source (of that magnitude) that is contrary towards the Constitution of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia.

Why do you insist on writing that the current CoA of the Republic of Macedonia symbolise Communism, when in Yugoslavia there were no Communism but Self-Management Socialist rule of Nations and Nationalities represented by the working people and citizens throughout Delegation System in which the Union of Communists of Yugoslavia (and each of the unions of each of the republics and autonomous provinces) and non-party delegats participated.

The Republic of Macedonia is the solemn owner and representant of its current symbols so there is no place for Communism label in the Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia or in the Coat of arms of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia.

What is your source for such claim that the five-pointed red star (with yellow edging) is a symbol of Communism in Yugoslavia.

Imbris (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It is too simple. Yugoslavia was a Socialist country with a one-party system (the party was the Union of Communists of Yugoslavia). Yugoslavia was a pro-Stalinist (that means hardcore-communist) country until 1948, before Tito broke with Stalin. The fact that workers' self-management was invented in Yugoslavia at the beginning of 1950ies does not mean that Yugoslavia was no more a Socialist country. Tito himself always referred to the political system in Yugoslavia as socialism. There is no doubt that the red star also became a Yugoslav patriotic symbol. But primarely it was the symbol of Communism, invented by communists. I'm not insisting on the coat of arms of Macedonia to be described as Communist, but it simply is a true fact. If it was different I would accept that, too. Cukiger (talk) 01:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

If what was different you would accept... Yugoslavia in 1945 had numerous political parties. Sadly enough the elections held on 1945-11-11 were won by the National Front of Yugoslavia with candidates on:
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Croatia
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Macedonia
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Montenegro
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Serbia (Jaša Prodanović)
 * The candidation list of the Land for the National Front of Serbia (dr. Siniša Stanković)
 * The candidation list of the Region for the National Front of Kosovo & Metohia
 * The candidation list of the Region for the National Front of Vojvodina

The country imployed certain politics like the land nationalisation. This policies were active for a brief time between 1946 and 1948.

The symbols were created in the time of the National Liberation War (1941-1945) before the application of those policies simmilar to Soviet Union policies.

Why do you keep on insisting that current symbol of the Republic of Macedonia is Communist is beyond my comprehension.

Please stop.

Imbris (talk) 01:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I have provided sources which claim that the symbols in the Coat of arms of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia do not represent the Communist it has been described in the Constitution.

Also I have provided a source where all of the flags of national minorities have to had a red star as a symbol of being minorities of the SFRY.

What more do you need?

Imbris (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The continuation of our discussion
The red five-pointed star of Yugoslavia is not the symbol of Communism. The red five-pointed star of Yugoslavia is a symbol of Yugoslav patriots during the National Liberation War (1941-1945) and the symbol of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was not a Communist state but a federal republic with a system of self-government and could be considered socialist (Socialism with a Human Face). Look at this sentence from this source "All nationalities in Yugoslavia have equal right to hoist their national flags, but with the red five-pointed star in the middle, as common symbol of belonging to SFR Yugoslavia.".

Look at the the excerpt from the Constitution of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia (Article 8th) which goes like this: "The coat of arms is framed by a garland of ears of wheat, tobacco and poppy, tied by a ribbon with the pattern of a traditional costume. In the centre of such a circular space there are mountains, rivers, lakes and the sun; where the ears join there is a red five-pointed star. All this represents "the richness of our country, the struggle and the freedom".

The source is http://flagspot.net/flags/yu_fy-mk.html#coa

You can also find excerpt from the Constitution of the Socialist Republic of Croatia (of the time) which describes the Coat of arms of the Socialist Republic of Croatia. Janko Ehrlich-Zdvorak home page and his page dedicated to Croatian flags.

You are very well aware that the Republic of Serbia continued using as the official Coat of arms of the Republic of Serbia the CoA of its predeceesor the Socialist Republic of Serbia but the Constitution of the Republic of Serbia (1990-2006) did not describe the CoA (as had been in the past) this has not stopped to affect the description of the Coat of arms of the Republic of Serbia as regulated by the Law on the usage of the Coat of arms of the Socialist Republic of Serbia.

Thus even if the Republic of Macedonia has not described the CoA of the Republic of Macedonia the description is used from the Constitution of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia (the predeceesor of the Republic of Macedonia).

In light of these facts I hope that you would reconsider and not insert "symbols of Communism" in the article Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia.

Please stop reverting and this defamation of the symbols of the Republic of Macedonia.

Imbris (talk) 02:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I meant, if the symbolism of the red star in the COA of Macedonia was different than Communist, I would accept that, too. I must say, I even love your idea that the red star was a Yugoslav patriotic symbol and has no political character (communist ideology), but it is not. Your 'facts' are not facts. You need a source that clearly says that it is a non-communist symbol, what meaning/symbolism the red star has, why it was used by the Partisans (which were overwhelmingly Communists) since 1941, ... I tell you what a 'Yugoslav patriotic symbol ' is, it's the blue-white-red tricolor. That's a Yugoslav patriotic symbol (with no political background)! The red star was used by the Partisans because they where overwhelmingly Communists and aimed to build Socialism in Yugoslavia. Cukiger (talk) 02:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Your request that I must prove that something is not a symbol of something is void. You are the one who must prove that the red star on the Coat of arms of the Republic of Macedonia is Communist. It is not until you provide sources that it is. As simple as that. By the way this is a common Wikipedia standard of doing editing.
 * The entire thing about the red star being Communist is proposterous with regards to the Republic of Macedonia (of today). Please stop your revert edit-war with me if you do not appreciate my sources find the appropriate rebute (counter) source. Do not dismiss my sources all together because this is hurting the quality of the article and our mutual understanding. -- Imbris (talk) 23:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The dark blue/white/red flag
Plain dark blue-white-red tricolour is not a symbol without political background. It could not be considered as a symbol of Yugoslavia because it symbolized the Karageorgievitch Regime and the national and social oppressions and inequalities of that Regime. It symbolizes the Serbian and Montenegrin attempt to rule Yugoslavia by forced installing puppet governments in Novi Sad, Pristina and Titograd. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia symbolises unsolved national questions of many nations, unconstitutional laws, exploitation of many regions (especially Vojvodina), military rule in Kosovo, negation of ethnic Macedonians and ethnic Montenegrins, rigged elections, murders of political opposition leaders and academics involved in Albanian language and culture (Milan Schufflay). The blue-white-red tricolour could not ever be considered a Yugoslav patriotic symbol (even current Serbian greater-nationalists call it a symbol of delusions). -- Imbris (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Revert warring
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 * And now please see WP:AE. -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Burusho
I'm restoring the info you deleted from Burusho. Intentionally deleting sourced info because you disagree with it is considered vandalism. In this case, the main source we are using to ref the visit and reception by the PM also states that the opposition ridiculed it as populism. We can have both or neither, but not just the side you like. kwami (talk) 05:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Of, Boze, ovoj cuden covek najverojatno od Azija, koj nema vrska so Hunzite, Makedonija ili Grcija ne prestanuva da izigruva Vrhoven sud cija odluka sto da se napisi na stranata Burusho e konecna i nepromenliva. Kako sto vide, se trudi da prikaze na nekoj nacin deka iako dosle Hunzite vo Makedonija, sme gi ismejale i izbrkale, pod izgovor deka taka ke bil balansiran izvestajot za nivnata poseta, a povikuvajki se na izvor od Financial times koj veli deka opozicijata go narekle nastanot populizam, pa nekoj nastan bil odlozen vo Skopje. I pokraj toa sto prezentirav novi izvori koi go negiraat toa, toj uporno se protivi i vraka se na negovoto.

Otkako vidov deka ne moze na kraj da se izleze so tie glupavi tvrdenja od negova strana predloziv da ne se spomnuvaat voopsto vesnici i poseti, pa da se prifati verzijata sto ja ponudi ti denes. No, kako sto mozebi veke vide, pak insistira na toa deka moralo da se spomni deka nekoj nastan bil odlozen i pak pisuva gluposti. Potrebna mi e pomos da se resi veke ednas ovaa rabota so gospodinot sto izigruva "vrhoven sud".

Pozdrav i odnapred fala za poddrskata! Dimitar2007 (talk) 19:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, since you'll accept having neither side, I've gone ahead and done that by deleting the section entirely. (Fringe nationalist stuff like this doesn't belong in the article anyway.) However, I don't understand your argument: The FT reports two points of view, government and opposition; you delete the opposition POV with the explanation that we can't report just one of them. If I assume good faith, I honestly have no idea what your words are supposed to mean. kwami (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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