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The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020
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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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March Madness 2020
G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team

The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020
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Greetings!
I hope you and your family are keeping well these days. Pendright (talk) 05:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am doing fine and my companion, Susan, is doing well also. We have cabin fever these days because of the virus thing, but we cope with that pretty well. It gives us an excuse to drive out to the country and take a walk by ourselves two or three times a week. My four daughters and their husbands are doing fine so far, My eldest is a hair stylist and her salon is closed for the duration. One of my twin daughters is the accountant for the Kansas City Symphony and that is closed down for now. The other twin is the secretary for one of the local high schools and she is busy at the school answering the phone and other stuff even though the school is closed now. The youngest is the one I worry about; she is a RN at the Kansas University Medical Center Hospital in Kansas City and they are handling COVID-19 cases in the hospital right now. Fortunately, they are not in the unit she works in right now, but it is just a matter of time. All of my granddaughters are doing distance learning at home now as all schools in Kansas are closed for the the time being. My eldest granddaughter is a senior this year and she is disappointed that she won't get a prom and graduation. She was born just three days after 9/11, and it occurs to me that most seniors this year were born in 2001. She was born the same day I was called up by the Coast Guard Reserve to go to Port Arthur, Texas to guard the Port of Beaumont. I spent six months there keeping the outboard motors running on the boats that were used to guard against sabotage at the Port of Embarkation for military equipment leaving for Afghanistan.
 * I was a Machinery Technician First Class at the time but since I had been a storekeeper earlier in my Coast Guard career, I got to order and stock the parts used for repairs at the Vessel Maintenance Unit. There were ten machinery technicians and one boatswains mate at the unit responsible for maintenance on eight to ten boats and their motors. The VMU was a part of the Coast Guard Marine Safety Office at Port Arthur and were were also responsible for waterside security for the large oil refineries located there. Right after 9/11 there were 200 Coast Guard reservists there doing security duty at Port Arthur and we completely took every room at the local Holiday Inn for six months. (two to a room) That must have been very lucrative for the motel owner!


 * I ramble on...sometimes I amaze myself...Since I am inside more these days I find myself on Wikipedia more often. My latest project has been to work on copy edit and citations for the article History of the United States Coast Guard. It needs lots of work and should keep me busy for some time! I hope you are doing well, also. Stay inside and stay safe. Good to hear from you, thank you for thinking of me. Cuprum17 (talk) 13:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you and that the family is weathering the storm, I understand the concern you have about the nursing profession today; they really are on the front line. Coincidently, my eldest great grand daughter is scheduled to graduate from high school - but she too won’t experience the traditional pomp and ceremony.


 * Your Port Author experience sounds interesting, but I image it was disruptive to you and your family as well. My last active duty day was April 21, 1946, the day I was discharged – you do the arithmetic. Went in at 18, got out at 21. The Navy affected my life in a very positive way, for which I’m grateful.


 * Happy to hear you are back in harness. Good luck with your current and future projects.


 * Fair weather and smooth sailing! Pendright (talk) 03:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Pete Gaynor
Hi Cuprum17. I added 2 citations to Pete Gaynor's page. I hope that fixes the problem flagged in the "needs additional citations" message. Thank you. Jarnon (talk) 19:38, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the template message "needs additional citations" because all paragraphs are cited. Thank you for researching the cites needed and contributing to Wikipedia. Some suggestions are in order. First, as a new editor, you were required to go through the process "Articles for creation" (AfC) which is a peer review process used to get the new editor on the right track. Those editors who have been on Wikipedia more than four days or made more than ten edits are not required to use that process. You, by virtue of having been on Wikipedia more than four day and made more than ten edits, are now referred to as an "auto-confirmed" editor and are not required to use the AfC process. I suggest that you don't use it if you decide to write another article from scratch. It slows the process down; just create the article using good citations and references using a similar C or B Class article a guide. Second, create a user page. While it isn't required and some long term users have never created one, it lets other users know you are a serious editor that exists for more than causing trouble for other editors. Unfortunately on Wikipedia there are editors that vandalize articles and most of them don't bother with creating a user page. If you are a serious editor, put something about yourself on your user page so that other editors will take you seriously. Again, thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia and if you have questions, be sure to ask someone. I'm usually on here once a day and I will help you if you don't know quite what to do or I will direct you to someone who knows. I'm no expert by any means, but I do know where to get answers. Cheers. Cuprum17 (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. Jarnon (talk) 00:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXVIII, April 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020
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Indefinite articles and your use of rollback
Please justify your use of rollback and a minor edit summary in these two edits:, , which is clearly in contravention of WP:ROLLBACKUSE. After you do that, please explain why "a F-94"/"a F-84"/"a F-100" are correct over "an F-94"/"an F-84"/"an F-100". F-94 is pronounced Ef-94, and therefore begins with a vowel sound. If you need a source for this, here is [https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/is-it-a-or-an Merriam Webster: 'A' or 'An'? What About Before 'H'? - An Indefinite Article Guide]. Vici Vidi (talk) 13:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Before I rollback an edit I generally look at the editors talk history to see if they are a "problem editor". Your talk page has no talk history on it and I made the assumption that you were a new editor and reverted you under rule 1. "To revert obvious vandalism and other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear." To me (at the time) the reason for reverting was clear. The use on "a" and "an" is a confusing subject and perhaps I learned the convention in a different time and place than you did. As for the F-94 example, I never learned that "F" sounds like a vowel. To me "F" sounds like "F" and not "Ef"... Who knew? I will revert my edits in order to close this out. I hope this satisfies your questions. I learned something about "a" and "an" today; thank you for the lesson! Cuprum17 (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While I am confounded by the reply to the first question, I am glad you reverted and that this is dusted and behind us. Thank you. However, I do have a serious question. Do you truly pronounce the F|letter F as as opposed to ? A typical standard pronunciation is in this video. Do you say "F" differently? If so, may I inquire what English variety do you speak? I am familiar with most major varieties of English, and I am not familiar with a variety or accent that varies the name of the letter F, and I am eager to learn something new. Vici Vidi (talk) 15:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * LOL...I never thought about how I pronounce "F". To me it has always been "F". Doing some research I found Writer's Guide and Index to English, Fourth Edition, Porter G. Perrin, 1968 in my mother's collection of instructor's texts (PhD in English, Kansas State University) and sure enough the same "Ef" rule was there. Honestly, I didn't learn it that way in school, but then I wasn't the best student and was guilty of not paying attention in class. I live in southeast Kansas just above the Oklahoma border and some of our speech characteristics seem a little twangy to those who live elsewhere.
 * As for my reason for using rule 1, "other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear.", I have reverted other "a" and "an" edits (although none that involved an "Ef", at least that I can recall.) "A" and "an" confusion does exist and where I find it I revert because the reason, I feel in this case, Is pretty self-evident. I will refer the the Merriam guide you provided in the future as I saved the link. Cuprum17 (talk) 16:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * "I never thought about how I pronounce "F"" - I think that's the point here. Even though written and verbal English are the same, and a/an follows verbal sounds (It is "an" as a double-vowel sound is awkward when speaking English, so the "n" consonant is a small consonant that is only there to break up the vowel chain), some people when writing ignore the verbal component and use a/an according to the letter being a vowel (so an before A/E/I/O/U). This is wrong both ways, for instance acronyms (FBI) starting with a consonant letter whose name is with a vowel (e.g. F or M) or in the case of vowel letters it is "a unicorn" NOT "an unicorn" . Saying "an unicorn" out loud feels funny, but written down it does not look so much out of place. Vici Vidi (talk) 05:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
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Thank you for the advice!
Thank you for the advice on properly adding individuals! Greatly appreciated. Also thanks for correcting my entry. D8675309E (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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Coast Guard cutter articles
Articles for both of the Algonquins are still lacking, but the one for Gresham seems more important to me: Revenue cutter, Coast Guard cutter, three wars in Navy service, then refugee smuggler with follow-on service as INS Hatikvah (K-22) in the Israeli navy. – Maliepa (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Go for it! If you need help, all you have to do is ask... Cuprum17 (talk) 14:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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Coast Guard Fleet Admiral?
Hey, I'm in the process of rewriting the armed forces article (I don't know how it survived in its current state for as long as it did) and came across this (https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Insignia/) saying that the USCG has a fleet admiral as an authorized rank. Now, I know its from DoD, and generally their PA is highly inaccurate (they wrote a whole article talking about how the Marines were part of the Navy and lost independence after 1834), but is there some kind of authorization for this that I just missed? Thanks! Garuda28 (talk) 21:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * LOL! As far as I know, the rank of admiral (O-10) is the highest rank in the Coast Guard authorized by congress. The first admiral (O-10) after Commandant Russell R. Waesche in the Coast Guard was Commandant Alfred C. Richmond who became an admiral 1 June 1960 by Public Law 86-474, under which all Coast Guard commandants thereafter were appointed to the rank of admiral. Richmond served as a vice admiral from 1 June 1954 to 1 June 1960. He finished his tour as commandant 1 June 1962 as an admiral. Commandant Waesche was a special case in that he was one of the officers chosen for admiral rank following World War II. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:36, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes sense! Thanks! Garuda28 (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Wayanda revision
I made the recent changes to the article on the USRC Wayanda that you deleted. My information is in part based on Stein, Gary C. and Scammell-Tinling, Virginia L., 2017, “Captain John Wesley White and the Lincoln‘s 1867 Alaska Cruise”, pp. 1-32, Alaska History (organ of the Alaska Historical Society). I am its second author and a 2nd great granddaughter of Captain John Wesley White, USRC. I am also a genealogist. I have submitted previous revisions to this page. Dr. Stein is an emeritus professor of Alaska history who is active publishing articles on Alaska and a friend of Dr. Stobridge. Dr. Stein and I have been collaborators for over 9 years. My photo collection includes an original of this photo prior to its manipulation.

I’d like to understand why folks are allowed to make changes, but these are then summarily removed. I’m kinda tired of battling you Wikipedia folks trying to straighten out this page. At the behest of someone such as yourself in email exchanges, I have provided lots of information about the photo in question. To my chagrin, little of it has made it to the article and photo description. Would you please be so kind as to explain under what rules you’re operating. I know you certainly don’t intend to offend, but you deleted my changes within minutes of me publishing them. President Lincoln is in the photo. There’s no mistaking it; no one else in that era had his body type and issues. It’s also clear from my copy that he turned his face during the exposure thereby blurring it. There’s also no doubt about the two other principals in the photo; they are Captain John Wesley White and Secretary William Seward. Chief Engineer Frank Pulsifer was the photograph and I believe donated a copy to the Coast Guard. The photo also appears in Secretary Seward’s biography written by his son Frederick (cited below). Pulsifer lived on the same street as the Sewards.

Sincerely, Virginia “Jini” L. Scammell-Tinling Scammell.jini@gmail.com

Between pp. 230-231 in Seward, Frederick W., 1891, Seward at Washington as Senator and Secretary of State - A Memoir of His Life, with Selections from His Letters, 1861-1872. Derby and Miller, New York, New York. 2600:1700:E1C0:6720:1523:592:15A7:8752 (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, where do I start. First, you may have certain ideas about the photograph in question, but you have not provided reliable references to back your claims in the article itself. Everything written in the article under Wikipedia standards should be referenced in a citation format that agrees with the established format within that article. If you have a reliable source for your information, cite it correctly and it will be included in the article. Second, There is no mention of President Lincoln in the history portion of the article even being being aboard Wayanda. Properly referenced this would be a part of the history of the cutter and a good addition to the article. I have no problem with the information being included in the article as long as it is accurate and properly referenced. Keep in mind that the visit by Lincoln was a very small part of the history of the cutter and its mention shouldn't be out of proportion to the whole of the article. I might also mention that original research is not allowed in Wikipedia articles. Your quote; "President Lincoln is in the photo. There’s no mistaking it; no one else in that era had his body type and issues." This amounts to speculation on your part. If you want this information included in the article I would first suggest including the reference material in the bibliography section at the end of the article and cite the material by page number using the format included by the existing editors. If you are in doubt about how all this is done I will be glad to help. Contact me on this page. Cuprum17 (talk) 22:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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Voting for "Military Historian of the Year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" closing
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Desertion
Why did you revert this edit? In the context of the American Civil War, "slave power" is not correct; the term is Slave Power. 64.203.186.65 (talk) 17:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted the edit because I believe the capitalization is wrong according to Wikipedia standards. The term "slave power" should be treated similar to the term "black power" or even "white power". I see no reference where the term is capitalized. I am considering changing the capitalization of the article Slave Power to "Slave power". Cuprum17 (talk) 17:55, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's normally capitalized. A very quick Google search found many documents using "Slave Power" in running text (not in titles), for example  and  and  and .  "Black power" or "white power" are references to power held by the group in question.  This term is used to refer to a hypothesized movement of slaveowners and their allies, acting to advance a specific agenda; names of movements and organizations are supposed to be capitalized in English, regardless of whether they really exist or they're fabrications.  64.203.186.65 (talk) 19:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever...change it back if it is that important to you. The terms "black power" or "white power" could well be substituted in the definition you just gave. They usually aren't capitalized, except by blacks and rarely whites who want to advance a "specific agenda" or by some liberal media or academia joker that has an agenda that includes wanting to make a movement sound more important than it really is. What the hell is meant by the term "hypothesized movement"? Cuprum17 (talk) 22:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * For the record, there was no response from User talk:64.203.186.65.....