User talk:CutePeach/AESTATEMENT3

unasked-for advice
Are you interested? I'd like to help you through this. —valereee (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * , sorry I didn’t see your ping. I had a bug in my email settings, which DGG helped me fix, and now I am flooded with pings. What is your advice? My email is open. CutePeach (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, CutePeach! No worries, there are always response delays for time differences, I wasn't expecting a quick response.
 * I read your draft, and I don't think it's going to help you. I know how hard it is to read that kind of an AE case. It feels like everyone is taking potshots, some not even fair, and that you've been misunderstood. Contentious editing areas are incredibly difficult to work in, even for experienced editors. For inexperienced editors it's even trickier, and you happen to have entered one in which you are arguing against consensus. I almost can't think of a worse place for a new editor to try to work.
 * If I were you, I would not try to make any of those arguments. For some of them the fact you're considering making them at all tells me you don't understand how we work well enough to be editing in contentious areas, especially where you're in the minority. For instance, no one at AE cares whether it's ironic another editor instructed you on length when their own section is so long, or that another editor gave them permission to go long. For others your language is proving other people's complaints to be true. Referring to other editors as 'nolableak crew' is just digging your hole deeper.
 * Right now you have two choices: a topic ban from COVID, which is quite a likely outcome. That's a hefty topic ban, as the pandemic has affected so many things. Some might argue that editing a paragraph about a musician whose concert tour was interrupted when the government closed down all venues violates that.
 * Your second choice is to accept that behaviorally, you're in the wrong here, and when you're in the wrong behaviorally it doesn't matter whether you've got a reasonable point to make content-wise. Until you understand that, you shouldn't be editing at contentious articles at all. IMO your best bet is make a statement to that effect, offer to voluntarily stay away from anything contentious surrounding COVID for six months while you get more experience, but ask for something short of a topic ban.
 * That's probably not what you wanted to hear, but it's the best I've got. Feel free to ping me or email me. —valereee (talk) 12:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI
FYI, I never filed any deletion discussions for your essay or it’s redirects, because I think it, as criticism, probably deserves to exist. I think it’s wrong, on multiple levels, and misleads the reader. But I think it likely would fail MFD. and rightly so. I don’t think opinion essays (or POVs) should be deleted from this site just because they are wrong, contrary to what your essay says.

There are various other parts of this statement that are incorrect in how it portrays my beliefs and actions. But I believe such errors speak for themselves. Overall, as others have advised, I do not think this statement is likely to help you.— Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 04:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)  Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 04:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)