User talk:Cuteabyabbas

August 2022
Hello, I'm Apaugasma. I noticed that you recently removed content from Abd Allah al-Mahdi Billah without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 12:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Apaugasma a coin in a museum has the words Abdullah al-mahdi Billah in it meaning it belonged to the era of the aforementioned 11th Shia Imam, hence I had made that particular change. Now, I kindly request to revert back to what I had changed. Cuteabyabbas (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Cuteabyabbas! A coin in a museum would be a primary source, about which scholars will surely have written in secondary sources like journal articles, monographs, or scholarly encyclopedias. Wikipedia is based on such secondary sources (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP, and for more details, WP:PSTS). If you can show to other editors such a source (including author, date, title, publication or publisher, and page number if applicable) concluding from this coin that Abd Allah al-Mahdi Billah‎'s true name was indeed Abd Allah and not Ubayd Allah, we can change it in the article and cite that source.However, as the explanatory footnote in our article mentions, in Isma'ili sources he is called ʿAbd Allāh. In non-Isma'ili sources, he is given the diminuitive name ʿUbayd Allāh ('Little Abd Allah'). See Daftary 2007, p. 96; Canard 1965, p. 852; Halm 2014. I presume that the coin you speak of was produced by the Fatimids, who were of course Isma'ilis. It seems that scholars know that the Isma'ili Fatimids declared his real name to be Abd Allah, but are not sure whether that's correct since Sunni sources call him Ubayd Allah. At least, that is what the secondary sources that I have seen are saying. Please consult the sources cited in the article, and see if you can find a reliable secondary source which says otherwise. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 21:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)