User talk:Cwmhiraeth/Archive 1

Hello Cwmhiraeth, welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place   on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Quadzilla99 (talk) 18:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I found this through a quick google search: I added a raw unformatted reference to the article and added quotes, because the editor that added that info copied it from the source and didn't put it in his own words. Quadzilla99 (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My bad that book appears to be a mirror of wikipedia. I kept the 2 at the end and removed the ref. Could use a citation, but at least it makes more sense now. Quadzilla99 (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That looks more plausible. I have made a rather larger edit by adding a section on Llandysul Church on the Llandysul page.
 * Looks good, interesting info. A couple of pedantic details: see here for formatting book sources; try to add the page number in case someone wants to check the information. And you have a typo; you wrote that it was founded in 4562. I assume it was 456, I didn't change it because I thought maybe it was 452 though. Here are some free use pictures of the town (including a few of the church): If you want to add them to the article its easy. It should look like this in the editing box: [[Image:file name|thumb|description...this is blah blah blah]].


 * After the word Image: you paste or type the name of the file but don't include the beginning ("File:") or it won't work. If you want to adjust the size of the immage it should look like this [[Image:file name|thumb|200px|description...this is blah blah blah]] and then you adjust the number before px. If you have more questions about adding pictures see here or just ask me. Quadzilla99 (talk) 16:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I corrected the typo and added a photo. Thank you. Am I right in thinking that all my edits are likely to be supervised by senior editors or should I continue to report on anything more than minor alterations that I make till I am a bit more experienced? How would I be able to use the photo http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/741644 for the page on Pentrecwrt which I have been expanding slightly? link type for web references.
 * Pictures have to be free use, so yes that pic would qualify. I guess you're getting the hang of the image policy already. It has to be uploaded to commons first. I have an account over there (right here) so if you have a question you can ping me over there or go to the commons help page.
 * As for your edits, editors are encouraged to be bold but honestly there are a lot of little rules and regulations so I think its easier to have someone to ask that knows a lot of them already or to go to the help page. The alternative is reading a huge tome of rules and then all of the numerous subpages with more rules and then the subpages of the subpages of the subpages etc, etc, ad infinitum. Also, most of edits on pages with little traffic go unnoticed so no one would automatically check over your edits in a lot of cases. One of the reasons I try to help new users is there is a cadre of editors who just watch recent edits and then tag user talk pages with warnings for mistakes they have made, which I feel can be counter productive. When I first started a user followed me around reverting my edits and repeatedly tagging my talk page with warnings (which I considered a sort of Scarlett Letter) when I made mistakes. It did make me learn the rules faster, but I wouldn't be surprised if those kind of tactics drive new editors off a lot of times.


 * One editing note it is advised to include the publisher, date, and if possible ISBN when you cite a book source. That just makes it easier for someone to locate the book later, for instance, Benshoff, Harry M. & Griffin, Sean. pg. 167. America on film: representing race, class, gender, and sexuality at the movies. Wiley-Blackwell 2004 ISBN 1405170557 then later if you reference it again just say, Benshoff & Griffin. pg. 172. If you are going to do a ton of work you can break up the references into two sections like I have done here and here in an article I am working on. You can title the second section "Sources" or more usually "References". Btw the pg. abbreviation is just an idiosyncratic preference I still hold onto so the p and pp system you used is more widespread here.


 * One other little note after you type a message on a talk page you should type in four tildes (~), that signs your name and makes conversations on talk pages easier to follow. There's a button you can press down below the edit box that automatically adds four tildes. Quadzilla99 (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help again. I am an editor with the ODP and new editors there also have to get used to the guidelines and may be put off editing by tactless adverse comments. The Llandysul info came from a 12 page pamphlet.

I have tried to upload the Geograph photo of Pentrecwrt, a process I did not find easy. I couldn't decide on the category so put it in the Llandysul one as it is nearby. It wasn't there when I subsequently looked but maybe there is a time lag. Or maybe I failed! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks Good! I made a mistake earlier, my user page on Commons is over here btw. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo added to Pentrecwrt and a few sentences to St Govan. The reference for the latter has come out at the end of the list because it is in a different format from the other references. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I assume you're talking about the thing? In case you don't know what that is, if you are going to use a reference multiple times you give it a name  the first time it appears and then later use the shortened name:  instead of typing everything out. Or for a web references: then just  Quadzilla99 (talk) 21:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph to Capel-y-ffin and one to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernacle_Chapel,_Morriston .Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good. You could put periods after the author and book name. See here. Incidentally, what language is that in the Tabernacle article? Celtic? Interesting, I can't imagine saying some of those words out loud, so few vowels. Quadzilla99 (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Periods added. The language is Welsh (I have added this info to the page). W and Y are both vowels in Welsh, the former being equivalent to a double O. I have expanded the page on Pen-y-Clawdd. It now includes a web reference which I may not have done correctly. I also added a link for Raglan but that takes one to the disambiguation page whereas the page I wanted is called Raglan, Monmouthshire. Is there a way to manage this problem? I have also expanded the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicton,_South_Shropshire. The OS grid reference was wrong and refers, as does the dot on the map, to the Bicton near Shrewsbury, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicton,_Shrewsbury. I changed the grid reference but not the map dot.Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I made one minor edit: If you look at the references section in that link and then see this from earlier:, you can see the difference.


 * You can "pipe a link" like this: Carlin . That way you can say, "Quadzilla99 always considered Carlin the funniest of all the stand up comics." This is the non citation template method of formatting a web citation you plan to use in more than one location: Gill, Barbara. Lindbergh kidnapping rocked the world 50 years ago, The Hunterdon County Democrat, May 29, 1981, accessed October 29, 2010. Where accessed is the date you checked the web page, and the first date is the date it was published. If it only exists on a website it will look like this: Wood, Bret. Scarface (1932), tcm.com, June 1, 2000, accessed November 1, 2010. If there is no author and /or date it was originally published it will look like this: Scarface (1932), tcm.com, accessed November 1, 2010. Inside of the brackets it will look like this [www.blank.com article name]
 * The citation templates I linked to earlier are used by a ton of editors so you might want to go that route, they are neither required nor explicitly recommended however. The benefit they provide is a simpler way to see what you have to fill out and add, the drawbacks are that some people feel they add needless code and clutter to articles. Also, a lot of people use "retrieved on" instead of "accessed", that's just another personal preference of mine. Quadzilla99 (talk) 21:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I can now manage to "pipe a link" and I also managed to work out how to correct the map location for Bicton, South Shropshire. Thank you. I have made some edits in Clytha Castle, Grosmont,_Monmouthshire and Llangorse Lake (with two references in the latter to the same book page). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I have also created a new article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth/Cefn_Golau Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this site passes WP:RS. As it looks to be self published. Read here. See if maybe you can find another source to verify that info.


 * On the new article, once you create it (but not before) add category templates at the bottom in the edit box like . Just that one will do for now. You can look at articles similar to the one you are starting whenever you create one and see if any of the categories they have apply to your new article. Also, I'm sure you know, but make sure to write a lead sentence. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A good way to find reliable sources is to check the google news archives. Such as here: Just because an article appears in the google news archives doesn't automatically make it qualify, but it does nine times out of ten in my experience. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I note what you say about "Castles of Wales" as being self-published. The author has obviously taken much time and effort in researching the castles but he cites no references and the information may not be correct I suppose. I've done some more to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cwmhiraeth/Cefn_Golau Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Its actually kind of weird in the sense that even if a site is accurate and you know it is, it doesn't matter until an established independent source says that it is. I used this site: on some basketball articles and I know for a fact from looking through it a thousand times that its very accurate. Yet when I nominated a basketball page for featured article candidacy, it was questioned and I was lucky to find a source from Sports Illustrated praising the site and saying it had Britannica like accuracy. For instance I wasn't sure myself if this government source on the Cefn Golau I found for you was reliable, so I asked this question. In that instance if you want to use the source its good for dates and statistics but the "this site is one of the most evocative in the south Wales valleys" comment is unreliable, since the site is from the country and they have incentive to promote tourism. Quadzilla99 (talk) 05:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I can see that I have a lot to learn. I would not have used the phrase "this site is one of the most evocative in the south Wales valleys" as it is opinion. However I have expanded the Cefn Golau article with some of the material contained in the Blaenau Gwent source you found. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Section break for ease of editing
Looks good. You might want to make that a repeated ref, and place it at the end of each paragraph in case someone doesn't understand that its for more than one paragraph. I've even had cases of people adding fact tags on info in a paragraph because I didn't cite the exact sentence but one of the ones that succeeded it. I didn't really check it against the source so don't take this as an accusation, but make always make sure to put everything in your own words. Also, you could use a statement like "this site is one of the most evocative in the south Wales valleys" if it was from something established as reliable or an authoritative source that carries weight. Like let's say The Times says "Joe Schmoe is one of the most talented, praiseworthy writers in all of the UK. His prose is the most compelling since Samuel Beckett." You could put that in quotes in the Joe Schmoe article. Usually statements like that first sentence work in the lead because they help establish a concise summary of the subject—"He was described the The Times as "one of the..."" Quadzilla99 (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added the extra reference. The phraseology is my own. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool. I think you could start that article now if you want. don't forget to add the category. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I have now done this. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * okay. You could add one of these categories if you like. Whichever one you think fits. Quadzilla99 (talk) 00:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Added the new category. Thank you for your help! I think I will mostly work on enlarging stub articles. A book I am currently using was published in 1907. This means it is out of copyright, I believe. Does that have any implications for how I can use the material? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC) You can see how they look in an article by checking out the John Kennedy Toole page I wrote, where I used them several times. Quadzilla99 (talk) 06:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's some discussion of that here. You can basically use longer quotations among other things iirc. Quadzilla99 (talk) 06:18, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the easiest ways to do long quotes is to use quote boxes, which look like this in an editing box: "Insert what you want quoted here"

Thank you. I have added a bit more to the Llandysul article. I also made various changes to Glan Conwy and improved the layout. There is probably a better way to tabulate things.

Can this be considered to be a reliable source?Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks reliable. Government website from an advanced country with no weird agendas, plus its not promoting the country itself. As for layout see WP:LAYOUT, and for places/cities see WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. You don't need all of those sections. but for now I've started the history, government, and sport sections. Per wp:layout I moved the see also section above the references section. The first couple of sentences are incomprehensible and not a good introduction. Whoever wrote that (I know it wasn't you) didn't know what they were doing. One decent lead of a somewhat similar welsh article I can see is the one for Rhondda. The lead should be a summary of what's in the article and the opening sentence should try to establish succinctly exactly what it is the article is about. Quadzilla99 (talk) 17:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Following that large layout guide isn't hugely important for smaller articles. Some articles won't have enough available info for all of those sections. As long as it has a comprehensible lead, and some well defined sections it won't get tagged for wikifying like that. At least it shouldn't. It might be best to use the section titles they used there, if possible. You can create a subsection (Andersonville Mountain is the subsection in the following example) and it would look like this in the editing box:

==Geography==

Andersonville is a long inlet with seveal mountains and a big lake. It is yada, yada, yada

===Andersonville Mountain===

Andersonville Mountain is the tallest mountain in the state. It is x miles long and the high point x feet high.


 * Ideally you should have an intro before the subsections describing the overall geography of the region like I've done in the above example, but you can leave the intro blank if completely necessary. That would look like this in the editing box:

==Geography==

===Andersonville Mountain===

Andersonville Mountain is the tallest mountain in the state. It is x miles long and the high point x feet high.


 * Obviously you would use the metric system, I think they use it everywhere here actually. Quadzilla99 (talk) 18:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I notice that when you look at the article Serpula lacrymans, a dry rot fungus, if you try to go to the page for its genus, Serpula, you end up here, an article about tube worms. I think there ought to be a disambiguation page for Serpula. Where should I make such a suggestion? I've done some work on Glan Conwy, and a rather more daring page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Break 2
See here for disambiguation suggestions. Your edits look good. One thing if you see that settlement Wikiproject link above I think they call the section you're naming "location", "Geography" instead. See here. Quadzilla99 (talk) 15:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually meant to give you this link I think. Tbh I've haven't done a dab page in a while so I can't really give you short explanation on that one. Quadzilla99 (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to us

 * See here Victuallers (talk) 12:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Victuallers was referring to, but I am glad something looked good!

I have looked at the UK locations template and will try to adopt it as I edit other places. Meanwhile, I have expanded Llandysul further, added a photo to Rhydowen and added to the history of Cardigan. I have also transformed Marteilia including adding a not very good taxobox.Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he nominated one of your articles for WP:DYK?, maybe? In which case it will appear on the front page. Incidentally, I've changed my username as you can see (I was tired of the old one). Also, I know you probably know this but if you want to link to an article in a discussion like this you can just type this in the editing box: Llandysul, then it will appear as Llandysul. A few comments; either link SN2422 when it first appears or explain what it means. I don't know what that is, other people likely will have the same reaction, unless I'm just unusually ignorant on that particular classification or whatever. There might be an article on it you can pipe a link to. The Education section needs a source if possible, especially since it contains statistics. That's a very cool picture, I like the figurine or whatever in the window. Here's a link to some free use Llandysul pics on Commons: Also if you don't like any of those, here are some with a free license, you could upload:


 * I have left a note at the talk page for WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology asking someone to take a look at that Marteilia article. AaronY (talk) 17:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't suppose we have a picture of that bridge you talk about in Llandysul in either of those links above? Would be a nice to have a shot of that. AaronY (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cefn Golau
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Number of hits on 13th November was 1.3k.

Marteilia
Hi Cwmhiraeth,

User:AaronY asked for feedback concerning Marteilia at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology. Just to let you know, I've written a reply there. I think several other editors have looked the article over too as there are a couple of small edits in the article history. I'm not sure if they'll comment specifically but generally no huge changes is a good thing. :) Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Wales
I've added a photo of the bridge and removed the grid reference. I have also removed a section fgrom National Woollen Museum because it did not refer to the Cambrian Mill that houses the museum in Drefach Felindre but a different mill at Llanwrtyd Wells. I have relocated (and edited) the section under Llanwrtyd Wells. I will look for more info to replace what I have removed, but for the moment am planning to enlarge Dre-fach Felindre. I have done further work on Llandysul. Do you think this should still be considered to be a stub? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

When I uploaded photographs for Llandysul Bridge and the National Woollen Museum I was not asked what category they should be put in. How would I get them included in the appropriate category such as this? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I assessed Llandysul the other day as start class. The main thing missing is some relevant sections but its looking worlds better. I made an edit to Llanwrtyd Wells that you can see in the article's history. You add categories at commons the same way you add them here. I discussed how in one of our discussions above, the hard thing is finding a category. The two easiest ways are to find a similar picture and then going to its commons page, ideally one that is well categorized there. If it is, it will show you some relevant cats. Another is to check a main category on commons. Here's the one for Wales, you can click on the plus buttons next to the subcategories to reveal more specific categories. You add the cats on the commons page for the image. AaronY (talk) 15:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm unfamiliar with wikis. I tried adding Category:Llandysul enclosed in double brackets to the 2 photos but they did not become visible in that category. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, you added them on Commons? Let me take a look. AaronY (talk) 21:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you uploaded them here to Wikipedia. You created the category, here on Wikipedia: It's just red because no one has added a description to the category page. Pictures like that you can upload to Commons though. If you have the right license ready like you had on those, you can upload them easier on Commons if you just hit the basic upload form button. See this screen grab I just took: You could even copy and paste the descriptions of the ones you just uploaded. The way you uploaded them is fine, you didn't do anything wrong. But the reason uploading them to Commons is preferred is because any language Wikipedia can find them and use them. Also other Wikipedia projects like Wiktionary, Wikiguote, Wikibooks, etc. See these pics I uploaded from flickr: If you scroll down you can see that they are used on several Wikis. AaronY (talk) 22:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I now know what I need to do in future when uploading images and will try to do better! See. I'm working now on Llangeler and have made some changes to St Gelert.

If I do a search on Google for Gyrodactylus salaris, one of the results is "Images for Gyrodactylus salaris". How would I discover the copyright status of any image I was interested in? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well when you're in Google Image search you want to click "advanced image search". Then select the "labeled for commercial reuse with modification" box on the bottom. See this screengrab I just took: Unfortunately I don't see any free images for that particular one, through using that search.


 * Now for individual pictures sometimes you have to look around the website. The Google image search thing works if the picture is named correctly, sometimes, like on flickr, I can find pictures of sports games that don't show up on the google image search because they are named just by numbers like this one here that's called "DSC_0056":


 * As for those two articles, I believe all quotes should have a citation directly on them. Right next to the quote I think unless you break it up in the middle like: "I am going to the store", said John. "I'll be back in ten minutes." But I don't think that's a big deal if you put the reference at the end of the sentence. I looked at WP:CITE and Verifiability and they don't say exactly where the quote should appear, but I think it goes directly on the quote. You should out a ref inside a parentheses though, if its citing something in the parentheses. AaronY (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the further information about references. I've expanded the articles on Aberporth, Tresaith, Pentrecwrt, Tregaron and the National Woollen Museum. These places are local to me and I visited the museum yesterday looking for information. The bit I have added about Cambrian Mills is gleaned from display panels. I photographed them so that I could be sure when I got home that the information I wrote was correct. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I've also enlarged Lampeter and added to Twm Siôn Cati. In the latter my reference to a single story is in a different format to the other references which presumably apply to the whole article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

No longer in Wales, I made a technical addition to Ascetosporea and am creating a new [article]. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Break 3
The Twm story made me chuckle. Some comments; I added some wikilinks to Aberporth. You don't want to overdo it (I personally feel less is usually better) but something like a Lime kiln, which I had never heard of, might need a link (maybe its a more well known operation than I realize though). This statement:"Tresaith is a popular destination for tourists, with an attractive sandy beach." Could probably use a citation. Everything in Lampeter looks good. I think if you upload the pictures with the information it might be better as people will be able to verify what you have added easier. I'm pretty sure people will get persnickety about citing things that way, as someone in American would have no way of verfying what you added other than traveling to Wales. I'll take a more thorough look at all those articles again tomorrow. AaronY (talk) 07:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added a citation to the Tresaith sentence, and I have considerably enlarged Gunning's Golden Mole and Marley's Golden Mole. I have also added my name to a list of editors in the Animals project. Do I need to create a user page so that my name will appear in blue rather than red? Only if I have something I want to put on it I suppose.

With regard to my new article, I have asked for someone to review it here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I have added a History section to New Quay and have had some feedback on the animal articles as you can see below. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a little busy right now so I'm just going to make my comments straight out. In other words, pardon my bluntness; I'm concerned about the source used for the Tresaith statement. Is that a government tourism website? If so I don't think it meets reliable, independent status.
 * In Adpar this sentence is a little awkward: "At one time Adpar was more important than it is now." The word "important" is a little weird. Maybe "active" is better? You're kind of implying that its unimportant now, which would probably annoy Adpar residents, not to mention reads a little like opinion...Maybe you could just say "Adpar was an..." and then expand on its characteristics at the time. Grammatically that's the topic sentence of your paragraph, so you might have to rewrite that paragraph a little to allow for flow.
 * Isn't upper parts and underparts in that gopher article a little informal? I'm not an animal expert but that sounds a little colloquial. Forget I said anything if I'm wrong.
 * I've made a few edits to some of your articles maybe you can look at my edit summaries for some quick examples of fixes I made. Incidentally one tip before I go, if you want to to add something to your "watchlist" you can do so by clicking the watch button above the page. Then by clicking the watchlist link on the top right of your screen, you can see recent changes to pages on your watchlist. See this screengrab I just pulled: AaronY (talk) 14:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks. I have made some adjustments along the lines you suggested. My reference for Tresaith referred to the lifeguard and Blue Flag status which are factual. In Adpar, the word "important" is in my opinion more suitable than "active". I have added the word "relatively". I don't think the Adpar residents would object. Newcastle Emlyn which adjoins it across the river is 10 times as big and Adpar is now merely a residential area of perhaps 40 households. "Upper parts" and "underparts" were used in my source article. I have added some pages to my watchlist.


 * I note the corrections and comment you made at Short-tailed Bandicoot Rat. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I have expanded Afghan Vole, Red-cheeked Ground Squirrel and Little Ground Squirrel. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget WP:ORDINAL, and if stating a number range that starts with a single digit number and ends with a two digit number, I think it might be best to put both of them in word form. Besides that, everything looks good, keep in mind I'm not an expert in animal articles. I have some minor questions though. These are more out of my own curiosity than anything you did wrong. Those are really "synonyms" in Afghan Vole? What is "ochre"? AaronY (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

The synonyms are listed in the cited article on the Afghan vole. Actually I now see that synonyms can be included at the bottom of the taxobox and I'll do this in future. The source for much of these articles is the Russian AgroAtlas and the language is a bit stilted. It uses "ochre" but I think I would call this "buff" or "brownish-yellow". I have also expanded Acleris variegana for a change of scene. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice to have an image for my new [article]. With this in mind, I contacted the Western Australia Department of Fisheries to ask for permission to use a good image they have on their site. Their reply was:


 * Thank you for your inquiry. The Department of Fisheries is happy to provide permission for the use of the image identified below. Permission is granted for education use only and only for use in the specific article for Wikipedia.


 * The following acknowledgement should be used for the image: 
 * National Aquatic Animal Health Technical Working Group Slide of the Quarter - Department of Fisheries, Western Australia - http://www.fish.wa.gov.au 

Would the limitations they set on the use of the image preclude uploading it to Wikimedia Commons and hence its use in a Wikipedia article? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Anything uploaded to Commons would need to be licensed under a creative commons license that enables someone to reuse, modify, edit, or even profit from the use of the image so no. But you could shrink it slightly, and upload it here with a fair use rationale specific to the image and attach the note from the Department. In that case you could use it until a free one becomes available. See this image for an example or this one which uses a template. You need to add a specific fair use rationale and pick the right category template if one exists. If not go with a generic one. Make sure to attach the correspondence. AaronY (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll do this. Thank you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)