User talk:Cyberpower678/Archive 31

Bot blocked
As the messages above indicate, Cyberbot II seems to be malfunctioning in a number of ways. I've therefore blocked it for a day to give you time to correct the situation. If you want me to unblock it, please drop a note on my talk page. Deor (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read the bot's user page before blocking. Please please please.  I go through the effort of creating run pages for that reason.   Please do not be block happy.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 12:19, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I've unblocked the bot and disabled the DeadLinksBot task. I don't really understand the intricacies of bot operations, but I was not being "block happy". I've spent a good portion of the morning undoing or modifying its bad edits, and until you can fix it to prevent the problems, you shouldn't run it on defenseless articles again. Deor (talk) 12:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware it was being so problematic. I was running spot checks last night after I deployed the update and Cyberbot was running fine from my vantage point.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 12:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, here's an edit where the bot changed two links to archive links that don't work and duplicated the article's and  templates. (Incorrect uses of multiple  templates in an article are listed in a maintenance category that I monitor; that's how I stumbled across some of the problems.) When a number of the bot's edits are causing such problems {along with those mentioned in previous messages here), creating extra work for living editors, I think the bot needs to be fixed before it runs again. Deor (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Non-working archives, is a completely separate issue and somewhat out of mine, the bot's, and IA's control. The bot makes every effort to provide a working archive, but there are just some things it can't see.  As for duplicating templates, that most certainly is a bad bug, and definitely related to the update I deployed, which is supposed to enhance string generation functions and better handle the various formatting that is found on wiki.  I also think I know how to fix it too.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 15:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Another recent page where Cyberbot returning result where none exist. Might be something with the PHP/curl library detection mechanism reporting wrong result code. I'm using the following to download the header then regex for "HTTP/1.1 200"



-- Green  C  15:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Here is the header for the URL added by Cyberbot in this edit:

I don't understand why Cyberbot can't verify the header of the URL returned by the IA API before adding the URL to Wikipedia. It will not use many resources and will solve many problems, since the API is obviously not totally reliable in what it is returning.. -- Green  C  16:03, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * What's the API URL you are using. Are you using the engine found in the test-code branch, or are you using master?  The master one is no longer being used.—cyberpower Chat:Limited Access 16:06, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm using  Is there another? --  Green  C  16:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you pass the same header in the request Cyberbot is passing? Are you posting the parameters?  Doing that accesses a different version of the API IA wants me to use.—cyberpower Chat:Limited Access 16:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. I'll take a look and may have some questions. Thanks. (question still open if it's a good idea to add links that can be verified are not working as the above example.. the above 404 header was obtained from the wayback page itself, the page recommended by the API, not the API JSON result page. ) -- Green  C  18:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Does this look correct?
 * wget --header="Wayback-Api-Version: 2" --post-data="url=http://timelines.ws/countries/AFGHAN_B_2005.HTML&closest=before&statuscodes=200&statuscodes=203&statuscodes=206&tag=" -q -O- "http://archive.org/wayback/available"

Not sure what the  is for. -- Green  C  18:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * OK now I see the problem. The API 2 is definitely returning bad results. For example the above POST returns a 404 page. However using the main API returns correct result. API 2 is unreliable. In over 1000 API queries using the main API I had no bad results (other than the expected small fraction of false positives due to inability to detect 404 status of original page). By comparison, using a testbed of 500 pages Cyberbot edited, 74 pages had 404/403 archive.org links which is a very high failure rate. I would recommend not using API 2. I have developed tools to generate the data and stats as needed to show the problem. I will report this to Jeff K at IA and hope it reaches the right engineer. -- Green  C  18:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think Jeff is the one in charge of the API 2. I will email them pointing to this thread.  As for using it, I'm doing that because they told me to.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 20:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * They said to add a timestamp to the post request using the timestamp parameter. You're missing a timestamp in the request.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 22:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Adding a timestamp works in this case. "&timestamp=20080712" returns a 200 page dated 20080405045404. This is from List of Afghan security forces fatality reports in Afghanistan where Cyberbot gave the same answer. How does Cyberbot generate a timestamp with no date in the original ref? --  Green  C  02:26, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I see now, the external link was added to the page on 20080712, so Cyberbot must be using an API to generate an accessdate (if missing) and from that makes the timestamp. Very nice. --  Green  C  02:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does a binary sweep of the page history for all the urls in one go. It still doesn't explain the bad data Cyberbot is getting.  Cyberbot should be adding a timestamp too in the retrieve archive function.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 13:46, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Is it possible Cyberbot is sometimes getting blank or otherwise invalid or mangled timestamp data? As insurance have a default timestamp value 19000101 .. the API seems to work correctly so long as the date is 1900 or later. Anything else and it returns unreliable data. This has an added benefit because the earliest copies are usually the most reliable in terms of what editors were aiming to have archived, as a rule of thumb. -- Green  C  15:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

The most recent error by Cyberbot was March 10 here. I can't replicate it using the API which correctly returns no page available, even without a timestamp. This is after the API problem was fixed. -- Green  C  15:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Templates update
I've blindly assumed that when doing cleanup at AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects and AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates that it's also good to do it at User:Cyberbot I/TemplateList; if this is mistaken (e.g. because the list is auto-generated, or hand-maintained in highly specific ways, and edits like this will break something), please ping me, and I'll remove that page from my to-do list when doing template maintenance. Or, for that matter, please ping me and let me know that I did it correctly. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  20:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Access to Peachy's GitHub repository ?
Hello Cyberpower, I'm FR:User:Ghoster. I wrote the bot FR:User:GhosterBot for automating the WP:DYK section that we have on the french WP main page. With the upcoming OAuth login procedure for bots, I had to change the framework my bot use, because it was too complicated to fix the old one. I read about Peachy on this page. So I dl Peachy and found it excellent! I'm currently using it with OAuth in "production". However, I may have found one bug and I also see some improvements that may interest you. So do you think it could be possible for me to create a branch in GitHub and have push access to your repository ? I will then open a Pull Request and let you commit the changes if you find them relevant. My GitHub user is : GhosterBot. Best regards.--Ghoster (talk) 13:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You can fork it to your account, and open a pull request when you're ready for your changes to be committed. You don't need write access to the repo.  I typically grant write access to users who frequently commit changes to Peachy.—cyberpower  Chat:Online 13:39, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Great ! I just did it. Don't hesitate to ask for some infos. I made every commit stand-alone. Hope this is the right ways to do (first time using GIThub ;).--Ghoster (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Batting zero on deadlinks at Walmart
Cyberbot missed 6 of 6 here; they are all still dead: Talk:Walmart. Ping me back. Cheers! 03:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Style problem with this talk page
Hi Cyberpower678. I noticed that all comments on this talk page try to right justify. There is a missing  tag in one of the templates in your talk page headers. As a hack, I tried adding a closing div tag like this at the top of this talk page and it "fixed" things (but I did not save my edit):

You can see it by looking at this section that all the major lines of text are lining up on right side. To fix it right I guess you'd need to find out which template, subtemplate, or module has the missing closing div tag or is generating it. Enjoy my workaround. Cheers! 07:04, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually cannot see it. Everything is justified correctly on all my devices.—cyberpower  Chat:Offline 10:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see any right justified text (also known as flush right, this is where the text aligns to the right margin, leaving the left-hand side uneven); but I do see justified text (where the text aligns to both left and right margins). This reminds me very much of Village pump (technical)/Archive 143. I don't think it's a problem, more of a personal style preference. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Cyberpower678 (with cc to ). In the old days my DOS word processor gave me the choice of left justify, right justify, or justify, so justify is probably the hybrid term. What I still see here are paragraphs where sentences are simultaneously right and left justified, creating weird spacing between words, especially on shorter justified sentences. This is caused by an unclosed tags in one of the page formatting templates, or in the archiving template. I do not see any flush right formatting, only left/right justified. Cheers!  04:22, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Please fix your bot's signature string
The signature string for Cyberbot II uses defective XHTML with mismatched tags and improper nesting of tags. This has the effect of seriously messing up talk pages for editors who use syntax highlighting. Also, the talk wikilink points to a redirect page, not the true talk page (here).

IS:

—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online

SHOULD BE:

—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online

— QuicksilverT @ 15:53, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That would make it 260 characters, and so would be in violation of WP:SIGLEN. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:05, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Then I would suggest you shorten the string; It doesn't need to be so fancy to get the job done.  I also think your invocation of the  template in your response here is inappropriate and anti-social.  I happened to come upon one instance of a page where the 'bot signature was left.  That hardly qualifies as "stalking".  You're skating on thin ice. — QuicksilverT @ 16:50, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hold on. Why is it "skating on thin ice" when I am the stalker here? Who else have I used the term in relation to? -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think Quicksilver misinterpreted your use of the tps template and thought you were labelling them as a "stalker". DH85868993 (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Is that right, Quicksilver? -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That is correct,DH85868993. Why would someone even mention Talk Page Stalking or use the  template in the context of this conversation?  If it was meant as a joke, it wasn't funny.  Editors have been suspended or banned from Wikipedia for engaging in stalking.  If Redrose64 wants to notify another editor of a response to a comment, the comment should be prefaced with the Reply to template instead, as you did in this instance. — QuicksilverT @ 23:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The template is used by a talk page stalker, described as "an individual who keeps an eye on one or more users' talk pages (often via the watchlist) and answers or adds input to threads in which the stalker is not directly involved". That is precisely what I have done here. It does not mean "I am following you around", which is Wikihounding; if you follow that link, you will see at the top "for users who view user talk pages to provide answers or add inputs, see WP:Talk page stalker". Nor does it mean "I accuse you of stalking".
 * I have had this page on my watchlist since I made, just over three years ago; when I post questions on talk pages, I always watch them. I guess I'm not the only one, see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cyberpower678&action=info page information], search for "Number of page watchers", it presently shows 269. You will see from the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cyberpower678&action=history page history] that I have often provided responses to questions left by people that were not Cyberpower678, and you will see some above, that have not yet been archived. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:06, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * . Hi . I have been using the tps template for about a month now and I like it. I never took offense to it, and one day I even clicked on it to read up on it. Sometimes I use the template along with the tps  template to normalize the font size of the tps template.


 * Hg, I agree with you that using bad markup in custom signatures is crummy. Sometimes I see signup sheets where somebody's signature has an unclosed small tag and so everything after that is small.


 * Hg, another one of my pet peeves is custom signatures that are different than the true signature or make the true signature too hard to decipher. For instance, yours. Your username is Hydrargyrum but you cannot be pinged as Quicksilver. We have to look under the hood at the source code to properly ping you. There is a guideline or policy on that and if you use such a deceptive custome signature you are supposed to append it with your true username as in Quicksilvere/Hydrargyrum or Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum).


 * Have you had somebody use the edit summary of Dummy edit right after you make an edit? They one offended me the first time as I assumed it was directed at my edit. . Again, I agree with you that bad custom signature markup is annoying. Cheers!   04:07, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I use "re" as an edit summary a lot, and sometimes if I go back to edit my comment after keying in the edit summary, I might forget I already entered the edit summary and by force of habit, tab, re-enter the edit summary, slam the enter key, and file a response with the edit summary "rere", which can be read a derogatory remark (mortifying). The poor babel fish WP:TPS descriptor ... being used between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than any other wiki-term in the history of creation. I sometimes regret creating it. –<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b><sup style="color:#000">talk 11:33, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Dear. Thanks to I know that some template behind the custom formatting of this User page and many other User pages causes the text on this page to right/left justify after soft line breaks. Looks weird. Cheers! 04:11, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Bug report
It's URL encoding everything including the http:// portion breaking the URL. See example. This may be my fault as I incorrectly suggested earlier a quick fix to urlencode the full URL, rather it should break out the protocol from the domain.com/path and only that section. -- Green  C  17:18, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I killed the bot. That bug is way too problematic.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 17:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the solution would be to only encode the characters listed here .. since that's required for the templates, everything else can remain as original.  --  Green  C  17:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah, if we're going to do it, we're going to do it right. All that needs escaped is the query string, PHP has built in parser functions I can make use of to properly handle it.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 17:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 17:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Great. -- Green  C  20:28, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this proves the escaping problem has been fixed.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 21:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * One potential pitfall is if the URL has a mix of encoded and unencoded. http://www.domain.com/this%20is[not]%20good.com .. sending it through an encoder will result http://www.domain.com/this%2520is%5Bnot%5D%2520good.com .. --  Green  C  19:41, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe you did so already but a simple solution is first decode the URL before encoding. -- Green  C  20:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * WaybackMedic now has a function to fix these cases. --  Green  C  20:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps  ?  That should filter it out.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 22:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:49, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

What the...?
I wonder what happened here? Kendall-K1 (talk) 22:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Very clearly a bug. Please do not cbignore for those instances, as bugs need to be fixed not supressed.  Cbignore if Cyberbot repeatedly alters a link where it shouldn't, such as adding a bad archive.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 23:51, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Another CyberbotII bug
For some reason, the bot is adding a duplicated template to some articles when it adds archive URLs to external links, as here and here. Deor (talk) 23:04, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Helen Clark
The bot mangled a working reference to medals.org.uk here as well as correctly identifying a couple of dead links. On the talk page there was only the option of setting "checked" to true or failed. The source does contain the information, but the bot failed to edit correctly. There does not appear to be a setting to indicate this. As well as looking at what went wrong in the edit, perhaps an extra setting for this talk page status could be added for buggy edits.- gadfium 00:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Bug report for Cyberbot II
Hello. This edit messed up things. 21st-century modernisation of the Great Western Main Line

Aisteco (talk) 22:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Bug report
This edit. Another. -- Green  C  00:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wayback Medic now has a function to fix this. --  Green  C  02:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Another bug different type. Guessing the embedded wiki comment they are common. -- Green  C  00:33, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * This was caused by a dead link template inserted inside the url=http argument of a cite template(!) With a wiki comment. Appears it was done by another bot based on the wikicomment. There could more like it - it's incorrect syntax but not surprising someone put a dead link tag right next to the link. -- Green  C  01:37, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

For good news, this was impressive. -- Green  C  00:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II bug report - reflist
Hello, it seems, that your bot adds duplicate templates. Have a look at this change. --GünniX (talk) 05:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Bad Edit
Greetings,

I just wanted to report that the bot seems to have messed up with an edit. You can find the edit in question here. Fpl-dmatzrott (talk) 14:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * —cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Username change.
Hi. I want to change my username but there is a error says "The username Afsindemirci does not exist" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afsindemirci (talk • contribs) 12:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You can't change your own username, you need to file a request, see WP:CHU, and somebody with the appropriate permissions will consider it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Well actually, I have the appropriate permissions. What name do you want to be renamed to?—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 12:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I saw the request at WP:CHUS, and granted it.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 12:56, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendiefkarimla (talk • contribs) 13:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Help me
Hi there, I am a complete newbee on Wikipedia, writing from France. I have translated the article about Sir John and am in the process of adding reference notes. It seems that ref.6 does not exist, so it is making a mess my end, since figures jump to ref.7. I am not sure you are the right person but thanks if you can help in any way. Cheers,--FasterOne (talk) 13:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It would help if you could point me to that article.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 13:16, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Bug report
I don't know if this is an old bug but came across it. This edit the URL has an extra "," added to the end. The problem is the original formatting. It should be possible to check for a "." or "," or "-" as the last character in the url string. It won't solve all problems (eg. ".com.access-date") but it should catch cases like this which will be more common. I'll add this to the list of things for WaybackMedic to look out for and fix. Green C  18:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think this one was ever fixed as a consequence of my updates.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 18:37, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Wayback Medic now has a function to fix this, for a url=* ending in "," and "." inside wayback templates .. -- Green  C  02:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 14:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Institute d'Egypt
Thanks for the external links on the Institut d'Égypte, but when I try to use them I either get a 404 (archive) or site advisor telling me it is unsafe to go to the site (original link).--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Blank fields
This bug still happening. -- Green  C  03:51, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Another. -- Green  C  03:55, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Aw rats, that was the one bug I forgot to fix. :/—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 03:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

This edit is unusual but maybe instructive. It doesn't seem possible the API could return a snapshot date for a non-URL. -- Green  C  04:21, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

This page returns a 404 code, and API 1 & 2 report no snapshot available. -- Green  C  04:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Bad Cyberbot II edit
Concerning this edit, the article cited an interview that evidently had been recorded in a video on YouTube. The original citation led to a common YouTube error message: "This video is unavailable." Cyberbot II added the Archive.org URL to the citation and deleded the "dead link" template. However, the Archive.org URL displayed the same "not found" error message, not the cited video.—Finell 04:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I was the one who left the sources for Sunny being billed as the first diva. I don't think there was anything wrong with them. Why did you remove them?

Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC)Davidgoodheart

Oooops, sorry you weren't the one who deleted my references.

Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:27, 21 March 2016 (UTC)Davidgoodheart

Cyberbot didn't add an archive link, but did remove a bundled book source from within the ref tags
Hello. Re this edit to Jock Mulraney. There were no useful archive versions, but the bot seemed to think it was adding something, although it didn't. And then it removed the second source, a cite book, from a bundled citation within the pair of ref tags. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 19:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Mafia family naming rules
Hi User:Cyberpower678, I noticed you edited Five Families page in the past, so maybe you can answer a question I have about the names of Mafia families.

Under what circumstances does a Family get renamed? for example, Joseph Profaci was boss of the "Profaci Family" for 34 years and, unless I'm wrong, was given his own Family by Lucky Luciano. After the Commission retired Joseph Magliocco they made Joseph Colombo boss and the Family got renamed Colombo, and although he was boss for 10 years he seems to have been a puppet for the Commission. Considering he's been boss for 43 years and counting and his sons and nephews have high-ranking positions, why hasn't the Family been renamed for Carmine Persico?

Another example: The Gambino Family was under the control of the Gotti brothers non-stop from 1985 to 2011 (26 years), but the Family's still called Gambino long after Carlo Gambino's death.

The only conclusion I can come to is that Families are renamed when the new boss is appointed by the Commission, considering Persico and John Gotti seem to have taken the position for themselves and weren't given it by the Commission. Maybe you can shed some light on it? But if not tell me how you think it works, cheers. --Emperorofthedaleks (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I've never edited that page, and I don't know how Mafia family naming works.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 20:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, the name of the user was Cyberbot II. --Emperorofthedaleks (talk) 20:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Cheese (album)
Hello. Could you stop bot on this article? Archive link he gives is wrong. Eurohunter (talk) 09:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II broke references
In this edit, the bot was restoring two old references and removing a dead link tag. In fixing the second reference, it didn't add a /ref at the end, thus breaking the reference. Also, after removing the dead link tag, it added an extra /ref when there was already one there. Silver seren C 02:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking back through the bot's edits for the past few days, it may be doing that a lot and breaking references all across the wiki. Here's another example where it filled in a reference, but directly removed the /ref for some reason and also added a random /ref way down below in the article, breaking another reference. I'm wondering if most of the stuff in "Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting" is due to the bot, as i've been working through the backlog of it. I just haven't been paying enough attention to notice the bot's actions sooner. It doesn't seem to do it with every reference fill edit, just every once in a while. I wonder if there's a specific circumstance that the code is messing up on. Silver  seren C 02:24, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Broke another reference just an hour ago by removing a /ref end tag. Silver  seren C 05:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh FFS. What the hell Cyberbot? *rams his head on a desk*—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 14:31, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Love that bot
I keep seeing your bot on my watchlist, and the edits I check are all good. Love that bot!-- Mojo Hand (talk) 19:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Article : Omar Sharaf:
Thank you for your time and effort with the archive for this article. The first few links you added were a great help, the rest, unfortunately, cannot be accessed after a change in viewing policy by the original hosting web site.

Thanks again, much appreciated,

OMAZZA1925 00:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by OMAZZA1925 (talk • contribs)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Renamed user Yuma. Thank you. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

AdminStats bot data?
Did the data source used for adminstats change? Noticed that the "del+ed" values started going down (e.g. Special:Diff/711322624, Special:Diff/711324547). — xaosflux  Talk 13:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. Adminstats is a mature product, and hasn't been subject to any updates for years now.  Any changes are purely reflected by the replication DBs on Labs.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 13:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Related: Village pump (technical) -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

No archive URL
Hi, in this edit the bot has added a blank archiveurl. Keith D (talk) 13:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wonderful. I'll add it to my mile long fix it list. :|—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 13:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It tried again today with the same result here Keith D (talk) 17:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have not yet had a chance to fix it sorry.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 17:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It has had 10 attempts now without success. Keith D (talk) 18:06, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You have to be patient. I can only fix one bug at a time.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 18:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * . Sorry for the wait.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 00:15, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Cyberbot I broke today's AfD page
With this edit your bot borked today's AfD page thereby also breaking it for Twinkle users. Please take care this doesn't happen again. Regards, PanchoS (talk) 00:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II bug - occasional blanking dead url rather than fixing
It looks like Cyberbot II is having some occasional issues fixing dead-link urls. Over the last couple of days (I've only checked red change deltas back to 20:13, 21 March 2016) it is occasionally replacing a dead link with nothing, and removing the dead link, presumably thinking it's resolved the problem. Here some recent examples:
 * Hartford School District (Arkansas) - diff, diff
 * Northallerton Town F.C. - diff, diff
 * Lindsay, Oklahoma - diff
 * Eagle Lake, Maine - diff
 * Homer H. Dubs -
 * Janusz Janowski - diff
 * Wasta - diff
 * Peter Bowen - diff
 * Motswako - diff
 * Nuclear density gauge - diff

This one is maybe especially instructive - perhaps it's getting confused when there's two dead-links in a row:
 * Josef Magerl - diff

And the poor chap really went bonkers with this one:
 * Mark Noble - diff, diff

Because I've only checked the red ones, it's perfectly possible that the green ones may also contain a similar snafu, but also achieve a correct fix in the same edit. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 16:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This bug should be fixed now.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 00:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II and pure flash sites?
Regarding this entry made by Cyberbot II, the original site http://www.germaris.com/le_mans.html was online when I checked it, but the site is unusual in that it is written in pure Flash. Might that make the bot fail? Of course the bot could be right that the web site was down at the time the bot visited it, but I just noticed how unusual this specific web site was, so I wanted to raise a flag about it. I did mark the link with a so it doesn't happen again – but maybe I shouldn't? Could the Flash thing make the bot fail? --Jhertel (talk) 02:03, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It was tagged with a dead links tag. Cyberbot responded to that.  It does not qualify for a cbignore.  Please make sure you check the edits more carefully.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 02:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry that I missed that dead link marker. I did do my best and I do not like your last comment "Please make sure you check the edits more carefully." We are all here to help and have the best intentions, and I do not need to be told a condescending comment like that. Just tell me what I did wrong (which you did) and of course I won't do that again; but don't tell me explicitly not to do it again or to generally "be more careful". Just like I won't tell you not to do what you just did again; I am sure you won't, now that I pointed it out to you. Had I done what I did incorrectly three times in a row your comment would be relevant, but not the first time. Also, I won't tell you generally to be more careful and kind when you speak to people; I know you are already doing your best, just like I was, and next time you will of course be more careful. And thanks for correcting my edit. --Jhertel (talk) 02:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies. It was not meant to be condescending, but there are different users who are also improperly using cbignore, and it's starting to drive me bonkers. :p  I'm tempted to remove the use of the cbignore from the instructions, and create an FAQ.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 02:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

robots.txt breaking archive URLs
Hi Cyberpower678. The F1 Rejects site (www.f1rejects.com) went offline a couple of years ago. A couple of months ago, I went around and tagged all the links to the site with dead link and since then, Cyberbot II has systematically been adding archive URLs. (thanks!) However, it appears that the recent addition of a "robots.txt" file has broken all the archive URLS. For example, this URL, which worked on the 4th of March now says "Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt." Do you know of any solution to this? (Incidentally, I find it rather horrifying that archive URLs which used to work can suddenly become broken - I assumed that once a copy of a page existed at www.archive.org, it would be available "forever"). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 00:36, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I do not have a solution for this, but I am debating this with IA.—<sup style="color: gold;font-family:Courier">cyber power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Happy Easter:Limited Access 01:46, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool. Please keep me informed of any progress. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:07, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Report
You re-added a Articles for Deletion tag for a page I intentially removed the tag and replaced it with a speedy-deletion tag. Music1201 (talk) 05:27, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ?—<sup style="color: blue;font-family:Courier">cyber power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Happy Easter:Offline 05:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Multiple headings
I have noticed that when the bot adds the links to the talk page, it sometimes adds multiple headings with the same name. May I suggest that instead of using "External links modified" it either prefixes or appends the month and year? That would make it look like either "February 2016: External links modified" "External links modified February 2016" Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:42, 28 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Seconded! I came to this page to say exactly the same thing. Although now that I think about it, the problem would still exist if the bot comments twice in the same month. Maybe it could check its own records, or the page itself, and use the minimum level of precision necessary. See MOS:HEADINGS:
 * Section and subsection headings should preferably be unique within a page; otherwise section links may lead to the wrong place, and automatic edit summaries can be ambiguous.
 * (BTW, the mobile version of this page is essentially uneditable for adding a section or comment.)
 * (BTW2: In the page header you say "If I left a message for you on your user talk page, I prefer to respond to you there." Shouldn't that be "I prefer that you respond to me there"?)
 * Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Bot_requests/Archive_67 -- where off-site?
Thanks for responding to my request (back in Jan 11) regarding a linkrot bot for an off-site wiki. You (quite reasonably) pointed out that it was off-topic for that page (as I suggested it might be in the first line of the request), and mentioned that "Off site requests should be handled off site." Do you have any suggestions of a good place to make such requests? Somewhere on http://mediawiki.org, or? In any case, thanks for the mention of Cyberbot II -- I'll look into that. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:25, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Where do you want this bot setup?—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 12:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The Archive Team wiki, http://archiveteam.org . JesseW, the juggling janitor 19:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That wiki is not part of the projects here, so you would need to ask over there, or a botop here who can do that for you. My hands are bit tied right now.—<sup style="color: green;font-family:Courier">cyber power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Happy Easter:Online 20:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I know it isn't. My request on Bot_requests was precisely an attempt to find a botop here who would be interested in helping out there. Since you suggested such requests should be handled elsewhere, I wondered if you had anywhere more specific in mind. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:39, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. Sorry.—<sup style="color: blue;font-family:Courier">cyber<span style="color:\#FF8C00">power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Happy Easter:Online 22:59, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Bot
Is the bot supposed to be doing this. Links weren't dead. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 14:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's relocating the archive url to the archiveurl parameter and the replacing the url parameter with the original url. Archived sources should use the archiveurl parameter.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 15:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Wayback Machine links -- a bug?
If you look at the edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=712359886, it appears the bot has decided that the link is dead. This is not true; I just followed the link and fetched the pdf file.

(I speculate) why the bot thinks the link is dead may be that the ULR appears badly formatted in that it contains http:// twice. This is not an error; it's the way archive.org does things.HiTechHiTouch (talk) 17:53, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see the section above. archive.org is an archive.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat:Limited Access 17:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like xtools-ec is down
I'm not sure given your disclaimer about xtools if you are the right person to let know, but the page over on the tech site had a comment from you saying it was better to reach you here. Phil (talk) 21:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II placing wrong links on talk pages
I've encountered, at Talk:Earth and at Talk:Galileo Galilei, dead links being listed on the talk page, where Cyberbot II has placed usable, archive links at the article. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what's being reported, but it looks like normal operation to me. It's not adding new archives, it's simply rearranging the values in the sources by moving the archive to the archiveurl parameter and placing the original URL in the url parameter.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 22:49, 28 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I usually find the useful links on the talk page, and I can be sure that a non-working link there spells trouble. This is different—and I haven't encountered it before—because when I find non-useful links, I still have to check the article. Not impossible, but definitely harder to do. Dhtwiki (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * When Cyberbot writes "Attempted to fix sourcing for" it means it didn't change the link for that source, it reformatted the citation to comply with standards.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 01:05, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II error
This edit wrongly removed a template from the article. I imagine it must be some sort of bug. StAnselm (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that the bot saw the characters " " and assumed that it was an instance of (which has [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Dead_link&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 several redirects], mostly beginning "dead"). There is a similar problem with  assuming that  and  are redirects to  because they begin with the same five characters, so you get silly edits . -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Cyberbot II Edit - Gregorij Rozman Article
Hi, I'm not sure what this bot was trying to do, but the edit to article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorij_Ro%C5%BEman was unnecessary, so I have reverted it. Clivemacd (talk) 21:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It did it's job. Archive urls are supposed to be in the archiveurl parameter and the url contains the original.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat:Online 22:09, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Hit Me Up
I just removed the ref to the Hungary Singles Chart in Hit Me Up (Gia Farrell song) which you rescued with this edit because the chart in the ref is the wrong one; Hit Me Up doesn't appear in it, neither does Gia Farrell. Please don't "rescue" it again without first checking that it is actually the right chart. Jodosma (talk) 09:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just noticed your posts on the talk page there and checked accordingly. Jodosma (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)