User talk:CyclonicallyDeranged

A new leaf
Hi there. First, let me thank you for being interested in editing in the first place. There are a lot of storms, but only a handful of editors, and we could really use each and every one. I just wanted to reach out, hoping that we can move forward productively. I didn’t like how everything went down, and I hope the incident doesn’t cause you to leave. This has been a stressful year for everyone, and here on Wikipedia, we’re all trying to do the same thing: write about these destructive storms. In this era of misinformation and climate change denialism, our job (as volunteers) is so important. So here’s hoping we can start a productive dialogue.

I’m curious: is the Australian basin the one you’re most interested in? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Hurricanehink. Yes, first and foremost this blatant hostility I'm receiving from multiple editors lately has definitely caused me to consider withdrawing from Wikipedia – for good. My ideas at large have been rebuffed by most of the community and I am much better without this sort of reaction of pushing me around. I saw the article, Aussie cyclones 2020–21, and can spot a number of problems. Unfortunately, most of them didn't like the ideas at all and insist on having things their way. As a result I'll likely go my own way relying on BOM's website which I know from years of browsing is fantastic.


 * While I am interested in all cyclones including hurricanes and typhoons, Aussie cyclones definitely mean a lot more. Largely because I am Aussie and have been closely watching those cyclones as a hobby for decades. Reading through the Wikipedia articles on historic Aussie cyclones and I see they are largely neglected with many gaps. The info from the BOM website remains superior to Wikipedia's info. It's sad to see a bare few editors here on Wikipedia editing Aussie cyclones, most of whom don't seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject. Only Aussie I could pick out had a name ChocolateTrain – I haven't had an interaction with this editor yet. The fact that BOM's personnel can get everything together so well to create a fantastic website, while I see so many disputes on Wikipedia, particularly on the Atlantic hurricanes articles, tells me the source of info I really should rely upon. I feel Wikipedia was, is, and probably will be in tatters.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply - I do see where you were coming from, and I'm sorry the whole dispute got so heated. Before you leave, I hope you hear me out. You're right that Wikipedia's coverage of Aus cyclones is rather lacking, especially compared to the Atlantic. There are very few editors in the AUS basin, and so some things might not be too set from year to year (unlike Atlantic articles which have been very heavily edited since 2005, and where a lot of the disputes in content occurred from 2005-2012). You're also right that BoM's coverage of storms (particularly recent ones) is superior. That doesn't mean they're the only source, obviously. Check out the article for Cyclone Lam, which hit Northern Territory. I worked on this one, and had to rely on a lot of news and other sources to complete the article. If we had some more regular AUS editors (not saying it has to be you, hopefully a whole community of AUS editors!) then I'm sure Wikipedia's coverage would soon be superior to the BoM. Check out older storms like Cyclone Ada, Cyclone Althea, or Cyclone Joy, all three of which are featured. They show the potential for what a really good article could look like, and be an even superior source to the BoM (which is a great agency, but they don't have the time to look through every newspaper to get every nugget of detail). They are also the rare exception of really good AUS articles, but are a good example of what could be. And maybe check out 1940s Australian region cyclone seasons, which has a lot of info on a decade's worth of storms, and could be expanded with newspapers, local governments, and other resources. No one has gotten around to it on Wikipedia yet, and the BoM is lacking for older storms. I hope we don't lose you as an editor, both because there aren't many tropical cyclone editors interested in adding content in general, and second, because you're from Australia, and our coverage is bad! You're right that you should use the Bom for reliable information on records and current storm data. I just hope you consider adding that content to Wikipedia too :) If you need any guidance/assistance with anything here, I'd be glad to help. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Absolutely, there are a handful of articles within this realm of Aussie cyclones that have been well covered and well researched as you have given, more detailed than from BOM's site. Meanwhile, other Wikipedia articles exist that look different, for example I spotted Cyclone Sigma today, which has ugly tags all over, in my opinion some of the tags are unneeded. Can the article be improved? Yes of course, I am sure there is info hidden in the net, or it is possible the state or national library has archives on the historical cyclone. Those libraries are a long, long way from my location. As for editing the article myself, I am not so sure – I will bet I will get rebuffed from past experiences here. So I'll save my energy instead. Elsewhere, I can pick out several other articles that do not yet exist in Wikipedia for more notable historical Aussie cyclones. Regarding the current season article, I was interested in keeping it in good shape which is why I have been targeting that article so much lately. It is a pity that few editors are there to watch the article, while everyone else ignores it altogether. I was hoping more editors could step in, such as ChocolateTrain who has been absent throughout this time, or anyone else out there. After all, there are more than 25 million people in Australia. Wikipedia still has problems with its consensus mechanism.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yea, the few I picked are the rare exception of good AUS articles. Sigma indeed is a rather ugly article. As for editing the articles, I doubt you will get rebuffed in older articles, especially if you're adding info that wasn't there before. Some people are more protective of the recent articles, because they're so highly visible, and people turn to them for up to minute information. On the other hand, older articles tend to get ignored, such that they often sit in the same state for years - Sigma basically looks the same as when it was created in 2016. We could certainly use some suggestions for historic AUS cyclones that Wikipedia is missing - we have an article request page here. As for consensus, yes, you're right that can be a problem on Wikipedia. That's especially an issue for active season. I proposed a compromise text between your version and Jason's version on the 20-21 talk page - I wondered if you could take a look. And also, I hope here on your talk page you now see the upside potential of Wikipedia's community, which can be rather nice at times (when it's not tearing each other apart over minor disagreements). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * At large it is all right. Will be looking at it more closely shortly.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Cyclonically. I would like to sincerely apologize on behalf of me and any editors that have provided hostility towards you. I did not intend for things to get so out of hand, and for this whole ordeal to become such a major issue. It should have never come to this. I understand where both sides of this lay, including yours, and Jason Rees'. I only hope the best for you on Wikipedia, and I do sincerely hope you decide to stay as there are plenty of great editors out there who only want the best information on Wikipedia, as you do. I wish this could be longer, but unfortunately I am too busy to provide a more lengthy reply.
 * Cheers, 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (chat with me!). 18:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Weatherman27, it was nice to have met you and to have interacted a few times during my short time here. Unfortunately the ANI had three people negatively targeting my behaviour, plus Jason Rees' comments put on behalf of one of the three, without anyone else commenting to justify my behaviour, and this led to admin putting my account on hot water. From that I believe the community as a whole does not want my contributions. May Wikipedia be forever unreliable and a failure.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 23:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that it had to come to that. It was nice to meet and interact with you too. I am also sorry that the community didn't really listen to you and what you said, things should have been neutral, but instead things got out of hand. Thank you for the contributions out have made, and I hope things get better. 🌀Weatherman27🏈 (chat with me!). 01:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Consider meeting with ChocolateTrain to seek help.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  03:31, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for being uncivil and comparing you to an LTA, which you are not. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  11:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, it was excellent to see your ideas and passions for the Australian basin over the last little while. I'm sorry if you found malice in any of what was said, know that I have absolved myself of malice towards you. I too am an Aussie editor, and am too finding my feet on Wikipedia (if anyone wants to suggest a place to start or give advice beyond the Teahouse type do reach out). I have the privilege of access to an excellent set of libraries and the unfortunate drawback of having not much time, it would be excellent to develop a strong group of Australian editors to bring Ausr and to a lesser extent Spac storms where relevant up to the Atlantic/Wpac standards, even if that means starting with 2020/21 storms and working our way back. There is scope for us to reach out to ChocolateTrain and from here we could see where this goes. If wikipedia doesn't seem like the place for you anymore, that is fine, ultimately it's up to you, but getting 1 more from 25 million might give us a chance to make this corner of wikipedia a little more encyclopedic. ThePelicanThing (talk) 13:35, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia certainly and desperately needs more editors.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi there Cyclonically, it is wonderful to have new editors participating in the realm of southern hemisphere storms. There has been a lack of new editors in the SHEM, especially in the Australian and SWIO regions. I am happy to see that you're here to help improve these articles. I am sorry for any malice imposed on you during your first two months here on Wikipedia, as you are still quite new and haven't read all of the policies yet. I am sorry to hear that you considered leaving Wikipedia. I is great to have more Aussie editors in helping with the cyclone project, as I am from the US of A (as you said it on ITN) and I do not know much about Australia. I am willing to cooperate with you in the future, and please reach out to anyone if you need help.

Regarding the dispute, I am sorry it got so heated. I encourage you and Jason Rees to apologize to each other for rapidly reverting each others' edits and for possibly insulting each other. Then I hope you and Jason peacefully talk it out and let each other express your opinions. I am reverting the season article to the revision before the edit-warring started, so it is fair and we can have a clean start. Also, I'm archiving the previous argument on the talk page.

I'm happy you chose to stay. Here, have some

Invite! (very, very serious)
I'm seriously and honestly want you to consider that you must take this offer. We need more editors on SHEM like you. I came from SHEM myself (Indonesia), and you deserve to be in Wikipedia.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  14:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm also giving you a barnstar (once again) in order to convince you to join this WikiProject.

I promise, that this WikiProject is willing to give you a space to finally succeed. Just look up Chicdat and Cristianpogi678. I'm hoping that you didn't reject this invitation, and you will get a second welcome from us. :-)  SMB9 9thx   my edits  15:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Like your eager passion. I will join when I want to join, when I feel it is the right time. All right?--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Good!  SMB9 9thx   my edits  08:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Perfect. Now I can contribute.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent. We appreciate your ideas at ITN too. Though I still think 50 deaths is too much though...but 40’s fine. We can also base it on significance, such as Cyclone Ianos, which only caused 5 deaths, but it flooded a major city and people thought a hurricane hitting Greece was rare so they posted it. Cheers. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 22:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. (Btw I would have opposed Cyclone Ianos from ITN too.)--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 06:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The posting was arguably rushed, as even the poster didn't know what a "medicane" was at the time. The article had the name Medicane Ianos before, and most people supported because they didn't know a hurricane can hit Greece. Also, we haven't posted 10 storms in the last month. We posted 5: Typhoon Goni (2020), Typhoon Molave (2020), Typhoon Vamco, Hurricane Eta, and Hurricane Iota. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 20:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No one ever said there were 10 storms posted in the last month. I said the "10 storms" was based on that guy's proposed criteria for posting cyclones on ITN. It would include other boring storms like Zeta, Delta, etc. Heck, even a crybaby like Beta would pass based on the proposed criteria. At this pace, a storm like Arthur 2020 would be posted on ITN (groan).--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Posting 5 in the past month is still way too many. I would have opposed Molave, Vamco and Iota. Too many on ITN.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 08:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Both Delta and Zeta were nominated, both failed to post. "A storm like Arthur 2020" - lol! We'll try to cut down the number of TCs we post in the future and try to nominate more things like the Brereton Report. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 13:59, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Anyway, in the future, feel free to nominate something yourself! Just copy the ITN candidate template from any other blurb, and start a new level 4 heading and paste the template in with the new blurb. Cheers. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 15:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Only if it is worthy of ITN, otherwise it is a waste :-) By the way, I nominated articles for ITN in the past, they got posted.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw! Those were RD articles. Anyway, who is the murderer you're talking about? If it is a notorious person who broke out, then an article should be already written or should be created. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

44th edition of The Hurricane Herald!
Giving it to you as a gift and shoutout!  SMB9 9thx   my edits!  04:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * he hasn't joined the project yet (please do, you are quite a help), soooooo..... Cyclone   Toby  contribs 04:13, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Excellent content. When I get a break from college, I'll see the rest. Thanks!✓✓ miguelgonzale (talk) 04:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the gift. Cheers--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 04:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

A smile for you!
 Hello CyclonicallyDeranged, Destroyeraa has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. I know that I fell for the sockpuppetry crap, but thanks for helping to drag me out of it. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 17:36, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Noah Talk 12:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Warning
Hi. Just making sure you've seen my warning in the aforementioned ANI complaint (diff). Please do your best to take it on-board. Thanks and good luck. El_C 17:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)