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Scans
I've started. You can check the progress at commons:Special:ListFiles/GcSwRhIc. Having the thumbnail generation problem which is frustrating. GcSwRhIc (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Awesome. They look great! Fortunately, this is the kind of thing that, once the raw data is up, people are going to be jumping all over it to convert it to a usable JPG for articles, balance the color levels, etc. Just getting the raw TIFF uploaded is 90% of the battle; others will handle everything else. Let me know if there are any TIFFs that you don't end up uploading for whatever reason. I'd still like to see them, and could provide you with FTP access for a single bulk upload (which is much less tedious than uploading and tagging individual files to Commons). And I could handle uploading to Commons and tagging on those as well. -- Cyde Weys 20:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Time consuming yes, but I've been prepping the templates and categories for each of the files while one is uploading, so from now on I'll pretty much watch a movie and check on the uploads from time to time. There is one of the Iowa I'm not going to upload as it's a near duplicate of the full side view which is already uploaded and not quite as good. I also wasn't planning on upload the captions we scanned. GcSwRhIc (talk) 21:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You found boxes of WWII battleship construction photos? Dude. This is one of those times I wish I wasn't so far away from everything. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ed, I've been back in the storage area. It would be more accurate to say several shelves full of boxes of battleship construction photos. ;-) Also, all of the files that were uploaded as of a couple of days ago have already been cataloged, and will be live in the online catalog when it syncs next week! If you are still interested in offering any development help for the API, Cyde, please send us an e-mail at . I know they'd love to hear from you. Dominic·t 19:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like we need to put together a Battleship Construction Photographs Convention. Grab 'em all down out of the Archives, have people come from all over with scanners, and digitize and upload every single one of them over the course of that weekend. -- Cyde Weys 22:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That sounds awesome. Want to do it next month? :-) (Not even joking.) Also, I am blogging about our event. Let me know if you'd like me to use your real name or account name in picture captions, or if you'd rather be left unmentioned. The text of the draft blog post is at User:Dominic/Backstage Pass; feel free to make edits or suggestions. Dominic·t 20:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Potential Cydebot problems
There have been a few problems with Cydebot and the CFD pages - on some occasions it starts implementing a change but breaks off midway and then for a few hours operates as though there are no pending tasks of CFD/W.

A bigger one came a couple of days ago when it kept ignoring entries on the move/merge list yet when I tried processing them as Speedies it easily accepted them.

Not sure if these are bugs or something in specific categories. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm looking into it now. -- Cyde Weys 14:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I didn't specifically find anything wrong? It looks like all of the category changes were eventually handled? Was it just that they weren't done in the order you expected? -- Cyde Weys 15:43, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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The Apprentive??
What is The Apprentive? Of course, it's The Apprentice. Was this some kind of bug? It was your bot that made the edits from the category The Apprentice (UK TV Series) to The Apprentive (UK TV Series). Worth a look? Sam john 95 18:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The bot appears down at the moment and the cleanup for this is at the top of the list for when the bot resumes. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Bot stopped?
Bot appears to have stopped working. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. The bot went down on account of a power loss caused by Hurricane Irene. I'll have the server back up in an hour or two. -- Cyde Weys 21:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the server was sitting stuck on an error in the BIOS during boot up. A simple reboot fixed it. All of the pending CFD changes have been processed now. -- Cyde Weys 02:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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Bot switched away
Another case of this - the bot started a long list of moves with this edit but then after this one it stopped processing them and for the last fifty minutes has only been doing the list updates. Is this a scheduled downtime on the CFD tasks or likely an error? Timrollpickering (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And a minute after I posted that the bot resumed on the categories. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

There's a whole lot of things that could potentially go wrong, including everything from transient network issues to Wikipedia load issues (the bot will shut itself down if maxlag is too high). The bot cronjob does run thrice hourly (though not if it's already running), and on the next run it will pick right up where it left off on the previous run. Now I know it's not ideal in terms of making all of its edits as quickly as possible, because its retry behavior is pretty lax, but that's the way it's been running since day one.

Anyway, I just looked in the bot's logs, and it was getting a bunch of HTTPError: 504 Gateway Time-out errors, with exponentially increasing retry timeouts that topped out at 16 minutes. I can't say if that error was with WMF's API or an issue on my server's end, but that's what happened. -- Cyde Weys 20:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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Cydebot - cut and past moves and ignoring consensus
Per |Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_September_20#Hyphenated_aircraft_categories - the closing decision was to move and leavbe redirects - your bot, instead has ignored this, carrying out cut and paste moves, losing article history anhd attribution - pleaser stop.Nigel Ish (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Research Advice re General People's Committee Article
Dear Cycde,

I am writing a research paper on the history of Libyan political personnel and came across a wiki article you contributed to, which I translated from Arabic to English using google. The article is entitled “General People’s Committee” and can be accessed as follows: http://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/اللجنة_الشعبية_العامة This article is exactly what I’m looking for, but there is a historical hole from 1990 – 2006. Do you have any idea why these dates are missing from the article? Do you have any information on this topic pertaining to 1990 – 2006 or know of any other sources I can consult to find the missing information? I have to submit my paper to my professor by Monday morning, so if you could prove any help at all, I would truly appreciate it! Please feel free to contact me directly via e-mail at agreen789@yahoo.com.

Thank you in advance for your time and hope to hear from you soon!

Sincerely, Ann Green --AGreen789 (talk) 19:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Aircraft hyphenated categories
Can you look in on this discussion and this list I created and weigh in on what you think should be done?--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've dropped all those aircraft categories on Categories for discussion/Working/Large, with hopes that Cydebot can handle creating all the new categories and making redirects from the old categories. I've also asked the owner of Russbot for assistance.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What has to happen to start Cydebot on the /Large task?--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I just started a run on /Large</tt>. It's messy though. There are a lot of categories that are applied through templates. -- Cyde Weys 17:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Saturday at Archives 2
Hi, thanks for the offer of a ride; I will definitely take you up on it. I live in downtown Silver Spring near the Red Line. What's the easiest way to get in touch with you before Saturday so we can set up where and when we can meet? Thanks--FeanorStar7 (talk) 09:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Send me an email and we'll coordinate in private. -- Cyde Weys 20:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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CydeBot: semi-functional
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=S5W_reactor&action=historysubmit&diff=453574709&oldid=451901568 u can see there category spelling changed. But directly above that there is page name, wich title is almost the same (excluding plural/single) as the category itself. Shouldn't then page reference also be changed ? 79.111.218.128 (talk) 19:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "page name"/"page reference"? My best guess is that you are referring to, which is actually the name of a template. Renaming a template is a completely different issue than renaming categories (for one, template redirects actually work). -- Cyde Weys 19:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, sorry. yes, template, not page. Okay, i thing it should be related even if it is not. Then consider it as potential feature for the bit - to recognize this match of names and consider renaming of other Wiki objects in the same manner as category rename. Doing one work an ignoring another is just looking non integral 79.111.218.128 (talk) 19:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The reason these category renames are necessary is because categories do not support redirects. Renames of templates are not necessary because template redirects work. There's little value to going back through all previous uses of a template just to change the name it's included as. Just move the template itself and new uses of it over time will use the new name. The name of a template doesn't matter. It's not part of the end product. It's just a means to an end to get some specific code into a page. Now the name of a category, however, does matter. It is part of the end product. Hence why we actually bother renaming them in the first place. -- Cyde Weys 19:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Base58 article deleted?
Hiya. How come Base58 article was deleted? O_O  I was expecting to rely on some information on the article, but it's not accessible. =/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizerydearia (talk • contribs) 20:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed you deleted the base58 article for not being 'notable enough'. It seems, however, that no discussion about the deletion has taken place on the Talk page, that Google shows that there are various implementations, and that base58 plays an important role in at least one notable software project - Bitcoin. Aside from the technical references, there is a clear use case for base58, regarding the distinguishability of characters (as opposed to base64, where some characters like 0 and O may be hard to distinguish). As a result, I believe that this deletion should be contested and at the very least should the deletion be discussed on the relevant Talk page - and, if voted against deletion, reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joepie91 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware Base58 is only used in Bitcoin, and doesn't have enough notability of its own to merit a second article. Also, may I ask where you two are coming from? I haven't heard anything about Base58 in many weeks since I deleted it, and now all of a sudden, there are two comments within eight minutes? That can't just be coincidence, right? -- Cyde Weys 21:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Correct, it wasn't a coincidence - it was brought up in an IRC channel. Even if in your opinion (or that of others) base58 is not notable enough to have its own article, it would have sufficed to merge it into another (relevant) article, considering there's clearly encyclopedic value in an 'encoding' that has multiple implementations and is used in at least one very notable software project. Deleting is, even if it shouldn't have its own article, not the best solution for this situation. Joepie91 (talk) 22:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I disagree that there is "clearly encyclopedic value". There isn't. The first Google search result for "Base58 encoding" is a PHP implementation that consists of a grand total of 25 lines of code that defines a string of the alphabet used in the encoding and then indexes into it. That's it. Any decently skilled coder could write this in a language he's familiar with in ten minutes, though I suspect it didn't take whoever wrote this even that long, as all they probably had to do was grab a similar implementation for, say, Base64, and then just modify the string that defines the alphabet slightly.

Base58 encoding is only used in Bitcoin. It merits, at most, a one sentence mention in the Bitcoin article, saying "Address and transaction hashes are represented in human-readable format by a modified version of Base64 encoding that removes non-alphanumeric characters and the characters zero, capital O, one, and lower-case L, because they can look similar in certain fonts."

If you can find a lot more evidence showing that Base58 encoding is actually used in a large number of big, important software projects, and used as a standard encoding mechanism in a large number of widely used protocols, then maybe I could be persuaded. But it isn't. -- Cyde Weys  14:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

And besides, there isn't even one single Base58 standard anyway. It's all ad hoc. The translation alphabet used by the "Base58" used in Bitcoin is "123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz". The translation alphabet used in most of the rest of those search results for various implementations is "123456789abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZ". -- Cyde Weys 15:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Cydebot hiccups
I put up about a hundred categories for speedy renaming yesterday, from the format "Country – Country relations" to "Country–Country relations." Throughout, Cydebot skipped over about a hundred individual moves, leaving them for manual processing. See, for example, Category:Caribbean – United States relations to Category:United States–Caribbean relations. I can't find any commonality between them, so I thought I'd see if you knew what was up. You can look at my edit summary for more.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I think I need to upgrade to the latest version of PyWikipediaBot. I'll do it later today. The exact message the bot is displaying is <tt>WARNING: Family file wikipedia contains version number 1.17wmf1, but it should be 1.18wmf1</tt>, and it's not making any changes on pages when it sees that. -- Cyde Weys 17:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sure, I totally would have guessed that. (Whistles and walks away.)--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

All right, it's upgraded. Keep your eyes peeled for any issues. -- Cyde Weys 16:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

11/9 stall
The bot seems to have been stalled for a while. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As of 23:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC) Cydebot hasn't edited since 17:20 (UTC) today. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Yup, thanks for letting me know. I realized that the server went down before any of these messages were left because I attempted to log in to it earlier today and didn't get a response. So I sent a message to a person on site at around that time and it's back up and running now. -- Cyde Weys 01:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Categories for templates
One complication for templates that are actually in a category, as opposed to pages that they are transcluded on, is that the categories are more frequently on the documentation subpage for the template. See Userpagetop for an example. Any chance that your bot could be modified so that if the template being changed does not have the subject category and it is in the template namespace, then check for the category in the documentation subpage? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Adding category multiple times
Take a look at this edit. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Recreating a deleted cat
Hey there, you were the closing admin on the deletion of Category:Eugene C. Eppley. I want to recreate the category, as there are more than seven related articles with a large change of related articles being written. Before I do that, I want to find out if there is a process, or if I should simply be bold. Replying on my talk page is appreciated. • <font color="#FFD700">Freechild talk 01:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


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Your bot adds a lot of confusion, by associating all people from the region Tyrol to the austrian state of Tyrol. It would be the same as to assign all americans to the USA.--Sajoch (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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Cydebot stalled
Thought I'd drop a note letting you know that, as of 11:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC), Cydebot has apparently been stalled since 05:15. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's back up now, and the server uptime wasn't reset, so I don't really know what happened. Transient network outage? -- Cyde Weys 19:49, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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October NARA scanathon
Hi, you attended the scanathon at the National Archives in October. I recently noticed that most participants have yet to upload scanned documents to Commons, so I just wanted to check and see if you have any files to upload. Please use the October 2011 NARA Backstage Pass category when uploading (and tag any files you already uploaded without it) so we can track them. Any documents you upload will also cataloged by NARA, as well as being available for Wikimedians to use, so this is important! Also, if you have any photos from the tour or other aspects of the event, please be sure to upload those as well. Thanks! Dominic·t 20:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion review for Category:Public domain films
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Your input is needed on the SOPA initiative
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Bot down 2/2?
Any chance the bot is stuck? Vegaswikian (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there was a power outage on account of the power company replacing the power meter. -- Cyde Weys 15:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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MSU Interview
Dear Cyde,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 02:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)