User talk:Cygnis insignis/Archive 5

hatting and closing
wp:hatting and wp:close are not the same thing.Slatersteven (talk) 17:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I fail to understand the distinction, and as a contributor to content, I expect this information is redundant persnicketiness and haven't bothered to see the difference. cygnis insignis 17:47, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * One difference is that hatting tend to be section of a discussion that are irrelevant (whilst the main discussion continues), whilst closing means that conversation over.Slatersteven (talk) 17:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think the discussion is over, because, if verifiable, helping to create an element is as notable af. How are you today? cygnis insignis 17:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Please read wp:n.Slatersteven (talk) 09:01, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

not here to debate
I suggest reading wp:consensus, its also a policy, not an essay.Slatersteven (talk) 12:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Suggest is nicer :) I just made my first edit this evening to an article about a small bird, which I assume you noticed and then started repeating you messages to get my attention. I did not think it required a reply, but you are insisting otherwise? cygnis insignis 12:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not repeat it, I moved it (as you can see from the edit summery), as it was off topic and as derail. You really do need to start to wp:agf.Slatersteven (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't read the edit summary. Why are you here? cygnis insignis 13:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well there is one reason why I am here, you have now been told why I made that edit, to explain my actions. It is also to ask you to read and obey policy. I also ask you to rad WP:NOT. I will say no more, other then to suggest you need to take heed of our polices.Slatersteven (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Or to suggest that someone is not following policy by restating that, anyone can do that and that is all you do. Do you know the number of contributions you have made to AN/I? cygnis insignis 13:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

saturday afternoon/sunday afternoon
trust all is well

fyi - done - Max Kay - please feel free to edit or improve JarrahTree 05:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Taxonomic conundrum, smart birds, there is enough to keep me busy. Sigh, will have a look, but the kind of thing I avoid for a couple of reasons. I got a notice that gave me the tantalising few words of the message about this, but no access to rest; inbox and notifications crashed with blokes inviting me to go back to whereveristan. cygnis insignis 05:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)


 * whereveristan, intriguing, probably somewhere out to sea beyond Torndirrup_National_Park, probably 5th swell beyond the last breaks, and probably 100 metres underneath as well... JarrahTree 09:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

One Sec
Let's discuss this. Jehochman Talk 18:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. cygnis insignis 18:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

June 2019 Tree of Life Newsletter

 * June 2019&mdash;Issue 003


 * Tree of Life


 * Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!


 * Spineless editors overwhelmed by stubs

Within the Tree of Life and its many subprojects, there is an abundance of stubs. Welcome to Wikipedia, what's new, right? However, based on all wikiprojects listed (just over two thousand), the Tree of Life project is worse off in average article quality than most. Based on the concept of relative WikiWork (the average number of "steps" needed to have a project consisting of all featured articles (FAs), where stub status → FA consists of six steps), only seven projects within the ToL have an average rating of "start class" or better. Many projects, particularly those involving invertebrates, hover at an average article quality slightly better than a stub. With relative WikiWorks of 5.98 each, WikiProject Lepidoptera and WikiProject Beetles have the highest relative WikiWork of any project. Given that invertebrates are incredibly speciose, it may not surprise you that many articles about them are lower quality. WikiProject Beetles, for example, has over 20 times more articles than WikiProject Cats. Wikipedia will always be incomplete, so we should take our relatively low WikiWork as motivation to write more articles that are also better in quality.

We're joined for this month's Editor Spotlight by, a long-time contributor who lists themselves as a member of WikiProject Fungus, WikiProject Algae, and WikiProject Cephalopods.
 * Editor Spotlight: Showing love to misfit taxa

1) Enwebb: How did you come to edit articles about organisms and taxonomic groups?
 * Nessie: The main force, then and now, driving me to create or edit articles is thinking "Why isn't there an article on that on Wikipedia?" Either I'll read about some rarely-sighted creature in the deep sea or find something new on iNaturalist and want to learn more.  First stop (surprise!) is Wikipedia, and many times there is just a stub or no page at all.  Sometimes I just add the source that got me to the article, not sometimes I go deep and try to get everything from the library or online journals and put it all in an article.  The nice thing about taxa is the strong precedent that all accepted extant taxa are notable, so one does not need to really worry about doing a ton of research and having the page get removed.  I was super worried about this as a new editor:  I still really dislike conflict so if I can avoid it I do.  Anyway, the most important part is stitching an article in to the rest of Wikipedia:  Linking all the jargon, taxonomers, pollinators, etc., adding categories, and putting in the correct WikiProjects.  Recently I have been doing more of the stitching-in stuff with extant articles.  The last deep-dive article I made was Karuka at the end of last year, which is a bit of a break for me.  I guess it's easier to do all the other stuff on my tablet while watching TV.

2) Enwebb: Many editors in the ToL are highly specialized on a group of taxa. A look at your recently created articles includes much diversity, though, with viruses, bacteria, algae, and cnidarians all represented&mdash;are there any commonalities for the articles you work on? Would you say you're particularly interested in certain groups?
 * Nessie: I was a nerd from a time when that would get you beat up, so I like odd things and underdogs. I also avoid butting heads, so not only do I find siphonophores and seaweeds fascinating I don't have to worry about stepping on anyone's toes.  I go down rabbitholes where I start writing an article like Mastocarpus papillatus because I found some growing on some rocks, then in my research I see it is parasitized by Pythium porphyrae, which has no article, and how can that be for an oomycete that oddly lives in the ocean and also attacks my tasty nori.  So then I wrote that article and that got me blowing off the dust on other Oomycota articles, encouraged by the pull of propagating automatic taxoboxes.  Once you've done the taxonomy template for the genus, well then you might as well do all the species now that the template is taken care of for them too. and so on until I get sucked in somewhere else. I think it's good to advocate for some of these 'oddball' taxa as it makes it easier for editors to expand their range from say plants to the pathogenic microorganisms of their favorite plant.


 * My favorite clades though, It's hard to pick for a dilettante like me. I like working on virus taxonomy, but I can't think of a specific virus species that I am awed by.  Maybe Tulip breaking virus  for teaching us economics or Variola virus for having so many, one of which was popularly sung about by Desi Arnaz and then inspired the name of a cartoon character who was then misremembered and then turned into a nickname for Howard Stern's producer Gary Dell'Abate.  Sorry, really had to share that  chain, but for a species that's not a staple food it probably has the most deities.  But anyway, for having the most species that wow me, I love a good fungus or algae, but that often is led by my stomach.  Also why I seem to research so many plant articles.  You can't eat siphonophores, at least I don't, but they are fascinating with their federalist colonies of zooids.  Bats are all amazing, but the task force seems to have done so much I feel the oomycetes and slime moulds need more love.  Same thing with dinosaurs (I'm team Therizinosaurus though).  But honestly, every species has that one moment in the research where you just go, wow, that's so interesting.  For instance, I loved discovering that the picture-winged fly (Delphinia picta) has a mating dance that involves blowing bubbles.  Now I keep expecting them to show me when they land on my arm, but no such luck yet.

3) Enwebb: I noticed that many of your recent edits utilize the script Rater, which aids in quickly reassessing the quality and importance of an article. Why is it important to update talk page assessments of articles? I also noticed that the quality rating you assign often aligns with ORES, a script that uses machine-learning to predict article quality. Coincidence?
 * Nessie: I initially started focusing on WikiProject talk page templates because they seem to be the key to data collecting and maintenance for articles, much more so than categories. This is where you note of an article needs an image, or audio, or a range map.  It's how the cleanup listing bot sorts articles, and how  does his automated taxobox usage stats.  The latter inspired me to look for [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=en&project=wikipedia&ns%5B0%5D=1&ns%5B118%5D=1&templates_any=Virusbox%0D%0ATaxonbar%0D%0ATaxobox%0D%0ASubspeciesbox%0D%0ASpeciesbox%0D%0AParaphyletic%20group%0D%0AOobox%0D%0AMissing-taxobox%0D%0AInfraspeciesbox%0D%0AIchnobox%0D%0AHybridbox%2Flua%0D%0AHybridbox%0D%0ABiota%20infobox%0D%0AAutomatic%20taxobox&templates_no=rodents%0D%0Afishproject%0D%0AWikiProject%20Viruses%0D%0AWikiProject%20Turtles%0D%0AWikiProject%20Spiders%0D%0AWikiProject%20Sharks%0D%0AWikiProject%20Rodents%0D%0AWikiProject%20Reptiles%0D%0AWikiProject%20Primates%0D%0AWikiProject%20Poultry%0D%0AWikiProject%20Plants%0D%0AWikiProject%20Paleontology%0D%0AWikiProject%20Palaeontology%0D%0AWikiProject%20Microbiology%0D%0AWikiProject%20Micro%0D%0AWikiProject%20Marine%20life%0D%0AWikiProject%20Marine%20Life%0D%0AWikiProject%20Mantodea%0D%0AWikiProject%20Mammals%2FBats%20Task%20Force%0D%0AWikiProject%20Mammals%0D%0AWikiProject%20Lepidoptera%0D%0AWikiProject%20Insects%0D%0AWikiProject%20Hypericaceae%0D%0AWikiProject%20Gastropods%0D%0AWikiProject%20Fungi%0D%0AWikiProject%20Fishes%0D%0AWikiProject%20Equine%0D%0AWikiProject%20Dogs%0D%0AWikiProject%20Dinosaurs%0D%0AWikiProject%20Cetaceans%0D%0AWikiProject%20Cephalopods%0D%0AWikiProject%20Cats%0D%0AWikiProject%20Carnivorous%20plants%0D%0AWikiProject%20Bivalves%0D%0AWikiProject%20Birds%0D%0AWikiProject%20Beetles%0D%0AWikiProject%20Banksia%0D%0AWikiProject%20Arthropods%0D%0AWikiProject%20Animals%0D%0AWikiProject%20Amphibians%20and%20Reptiles%0D%0AWikiProject%20Algae%0D%0AWPSpiders%0D%0AWP%20Spiders%0D%0ASquirrels%0D%0ARodent%0D%0AMammal%0D%0ALepidopteraTalk%0D%0ABirdTalk%0D%0AAARTalk&templates_use_talk_no=on&search_max_results=500&sortby=title&sortorder=descending&add_image=on&interface_language=en&active_tab=tab_templates_n_links&doit= articles on organisms that are not assigned to any ToL WikiProjects] which initially was in the thousands.  I got it down to zero with just copypasta so you can imagine I was excited when I saw the rater tool.  Back then I rated everything stub/low because it was faster:  I couldn't check every article for the items on the B-class checklists.  Plus each project has their own nuances to rating scales and I thought the editors in the individual projects would take it from there.  I also thought all species were important, so how can I choose a favorite?  Now it is much easier with the rater tool and the apparent consensus with 's method of rating by the pageviews (0-9 views/day is low, 10-99 is med, 100-999 is high...).  For the quality I generally go by the ORES rating, you caught me.  It sometimes is thrown off by a long list of species or something, but it's generally good for stub to C: above that needs formal investigation and procedures I am still learning about.  It seems that in the ToL projects we don't focus so much on getting articles to GA/FA so it's been harder to pick up.  It was a little culture shock when I went on the Discord server and it seemed everyone was obsessed with getting articles up in quality.  I think ToL is focusing on all the missing taxa and (re)organizing it all, which when you already have articles on every anime series or whatever you can focus on bulking the articles up more.  In any event, on my growing to-do list is trying to get an article up to FA or GA and learn the process that way so I can better do the quality ratings and not just kick the can down the road.

4) Enwebb: What, if anything, can ToL and its subprojects do to better support collaboration and coordination among editors? How can we improve?
 * Nessie: I mentioned earlier that the projects are the main way maintenance is done. And it is good that we have a bunch of subprojects that let those tasks get broken up into manageable pieces.  Frankly I'm amazed anything gets done with WikiProject Plants with how huge its scope is.  Yet this not only parcels out the work but the discussion as well.  A few editors like  and  keep an eye on many of the subprojects and spread the word, but it's still easy for newer editors to get a little lost.  There should be balance between the lumping and splitting.  The newsletter helps by crossing over all the WikiProjects, and if the discord channel picked up that would help too.  Possibly the big Enwiki talk page changes will help as well.

5) Enwebb: What would surprise the ToL community to learn about your life off-Wikipedia?
 * Nessie: I'm not sure anything would be surprising. I focus on nature offline too, foraging for mushrooms or wild plants and trying to avoid ticks and mosquitos.  I have started going magnet fishing lately, more to help clean up the environment than in the hopes of finding anything valuable.  But it would be fun to find a weapon and help solve a cold case or something.


 * June DYKs

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AGF
Re this. Please try to assume good faith when talking to others. Casliber and I have known each other for a good few many years now and I have his talk page on my watchlist. We have also assisted each other at FAC, when the occasion has called. Please learn some manners. Thanks.  Cassianto Talk  14:29, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And we met twelve hours ago when you made a personal attack on another admin, I'm sure that was not coincidence when you interjected with a comment that has no bearing on either discussion. You are not a free person, I cannot liberate you from that, but I am genuinely sympathetic to someone so trapped in internet rage. I'm assuming you are male and that chastising others is your reward for whatever positive contribution you have made. I wish you well. cygnis insignis 14:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * you are aware of the background of the players on Eric Corbett's page? Actually it's not worth going over now as any heated discussion is likely to end up in more blocks. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I am not aware, yet is this the sort of stuff that has no business here and nothing to to with our discussion. I put a view that he should be blocked, based on recent activity that turned out to be well established belligerence. cygnis insignis 15:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you point out the personal attack you wax so lyrical about, and what does my gender have to do with this? I'll allow you some time to apologise for your misandrous comment and outright lie before I report you at ANI.  Cassianto Talk  15:02, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice to see that word has gain currency at least, it is telling that is was not in common usage. What's upset you, me tapping on the bars of your mind's prison. cygnis insignis 15:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * As I've just said elsewhere, has done a lot of constructive work on Sophie Dahl recently so he is here to write the encyclopedia; if you treat him with respect, he'll do the same to you - if you start threatening him with blocks, he's not going to take kindly to it just like any other editor would. As I've also just said elsewhere, civility in my opinion is respecting the views and ideals of people that are quite different to your own. I've had a go at Featured Article Candidates and come away feeling like a second-rate writer on more than a number of occasions, so I will tip my hat to anyone who can negotiate FAC on multiple occasions successfully. It really does train you to be responsive and respectful towards people, and keep your eye focused on what's important here. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  16:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You need to clarify the relevance, or recognise you got the wrong end of the stick, I haven't been threatening anyone with anything. Most seem to be commenting with some preformed idea of what I need to told in this situation, it makes responding pointless if everyone is reading my mind. The report I threatened to make was to my mum, who will say that he sounds like a very troubled person. cygnis insignis 16:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * An answer on this would be good, because I'm just reading irrelevancies, and this leaves me looking I have something to answer for to those who are looking for people to thug. As it is, I'm reading the FAC commentary as a reference to what SN54129 patronisingly suggested was my role. cygnis insignis 16:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for talking about me behind my back, much appreciated; I'll just leave this here. ——  SerialNumber  54129  17:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Goes down to the dance … Is this being discussed offline? cygnis insignis 17:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Not me, scouts' honour. Anyway, too busy trying on the leather jacket, baggy black pants... ;)   ——  SerialNumber  54129  18:48, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably not, I think maybe you have different settings but for most we have it set to automatically watchlist certain pages. I have Eric Corbett and Casliber for instance the discussion there drew my attention here. The thing that you are missing is that for the most part the editors here have interacted with each other in one form or another as a lot of us have been here 10 years, including you. Sometimes when you cause waves that causes more eyes on your actions and AGF is a flag that can do that. I'm not here to criticize you but when you make comments like "people looking to thug" or the like it doesn't make for a happy discussion. With that I've said my piece and sole issue with your edit, the reversion of the other persons discussion comment and will comment no further as it will as I daid on Cas page will pour gasoline on that fire and you should be able to move on from a relatively minor issue rather easily. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And you are …? cygnis insignis 17:30, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm Hell in a Bucket Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good answer. cygnis insignis 17:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good reply. I am Gerda (and Hell in a Bucket was the first user whom I met on Wikipeida, fondly remembered). What do you think of ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I liked it [] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Could never break into their music to get an overview, probably because I never made the pilgrimage and experienced it live, but immense respect for their works. cygnis insignis 18:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Bloody progressive attitudes to bootlegging though... ——  SerialNumber  54129  18:07, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ja, of their own material tho'. They weren't poor and did works with their money, seemed a lot happier for that. cygnis insignis 18:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * SN, the cool thing they do now is that when you buy the tix to the show, they give you a copy of the show direct from the soundboard and professionally done by the band. They do it in Nugnetz. I will be there for the shows tomorrow and Saturday as Dead and Co. end their summer tour, it is my yearly pilgrimage and Cygnis if you ever have the time, go to it live there is nothing better. John Mayer ended up being a pleasant surprise. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:15, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't they have the MotB anymore? ——  SerialNumber  54129  18:24, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm a little embarassed to say I don't know what that is, they still allow taping in general and trading via archive.org but if you buy a ticket for a show and can get the soundboard I do that. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 18:27, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Feeling sentimental ( youtu.be/ienZCBtPjWw?t=8563 ). El_C 18:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, 77 was a good vintage: GD and PF within months of each other. Before my time, but. ——  SerialNumber  54129  18:48, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Toxins
I'd like to stay focused in the discussion I began. I am German and may have extra difficulties that don't belong there. I am afraid that the term "toxic behaviour" was derived from "incredibly toxic personalities", and - even if not - is too vague, too general, and meaning different things to different readers, so making me think that we should "ban" it. English is rich, and I am sure there are better words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * My intent was to question that premise, that describing a contribution as potentially toxic is not an indictment of an individual. I did not expect that to be well received, or for a wave of self-awareness to change the course of the discussion, it is, however, all I planned to say, if that is a concern for the discussion you began. cygnis insignis 15:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * About the premise, perhaps ask the one who coined the "personalities" phrase?, and in the 2014 speech, almost every observer knew that the plural term was for one specifically, Eric Corbett.
 * I wouldn't oppose "toxic contribution" as long as it's a defined contribution, nailed with a diff or two. "toxic behavior" in general, however, seems - at least to me - broader, and borderline to mean a trait of a person, rather than one disturbing contribution among perhaps 100 "healthy" ones. Repeating: it's less the meaning but more the vagueness of the term that I find problematic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


 * , I removed my post at your discussion, and this thread, but there still appears to be something unresolved and I expect more repercussions. I am familiar with some of your contributions and know you have been very active for as long as I have been here. You ask above, "What do you think of ? ", I don't know what I am supposed to think. Is it the content or users you wish to draw to my attention? Use German if that allows you to be clearer, more direct and explicit, I can read the language when it is important (like reading Kafka in the original). cygnis insignis 13:42, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know that you can read Kafka in the original. You removed you post on Framban, and this, and I didn't know what to think of it, especially disturbed by an edit summary mentioning grief. Forget the question if you think someone would say "Your behaviour is toxic" to a person face-to-face, when my real question was if I caused you grief. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I regretted posting in the thread as it appeared that I was going to be targeted elsewhere as a consequence, that my opinion would draw the attention of other users who see this a cause célèbre and that I am an adversary. The expression for this is "causing me grief". cygnis insignis 14:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Do I understand (verstehe ich richtig) that the grief was about "going to be"? - I don't want to cause grief, actually not even indirectly, - sorry if I did. Here, I didn't try to "target", only to understand better. I am ready now to just leave, and without any intention to pursue the topic further anyway, anywhere ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think your actions need justification, but hope you recognise they have consequences. I am currently lacking anything profound or insightful to say about the situation, so wont add to the noise and give an opening to those who disrupting mainspace contributions, rooting out quislings and going on witch hunts, asserting that users are betraying the site by moving toward solutions. This response is itself potentially toxic, and I know that I have made comments that were toxins, that is all I have control over. cygnis insignis 15:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Precious
You are recipient no. 2247 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * LOL, I can be "precious", another sense of the word, and irritating assumed authority is a life long avocation. Well met, and thanks for the recognition on the crescent wallaby [worries about the shabby state of a work in progress], the other works are just exercises for polishing the articles of my primary focus. The first one is named for Carl von Hügel, whose life is very interesting, he was possibly the first European to recognise the extraordinary beauty of my 'country', Southwest Australia. cygnis insignis 16:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I was there only for few days but loved it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * And thanks from me for your support in difficult times! Gderrin (talk) 08:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Feh, too easy, your contribution is a profuse amount of good and usable article content, there is usually little to say and it can be a red flag when people argue otherwise. cygnis insignis 08:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Noongar
Per WP:TPO you cannot remove my edits at Noongar. You may raise an issue on my Talk page, or you may raise a discussion at WP:ANI concerning my behavior, but you may not alter my edits. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A privilege afforded to you some how? What an utterly redundant set of contributions. cygnis insignis 06:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Your revert of my talk page comment here was invalid per WP:TPO as was you inaccurate edit summary. Please do not alter edits by other editors, per WP:TPO. If those editors have violated policy, please raise a discussion on their Talk page, or at WP:ANI.  In the latter case, beware the WP:BOOMERANG. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 07:06, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


 * This is your reward for volunteering here? it's a bit sad, and pompous. You, not another editor, made the most extensive refactoring of a talk page I ever recall seeing, I assumed to moderate the off-topicness, then posed a non-question to set up your rude proclamations. cygnis insignis 07:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks22:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)Cls14 (talk)
Thanks for trying to help me out with Cassianto. He is a disgusting editor who thinks he owns articles and makes life miserable for other editors Cls14 (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you kindly update the taxobox for Propleopus & Ekaltadeta?
The two genera, alongside the Musky rat-kangaroo are currently considered part of Hypsiprymnodontidae, rather than the family Potoroidae. There are papers that can back it up, which are cited in the articles. I would do it myself, but I have no idea how to properly edit the automatic taxobox. Monsieur X (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ugh, thank you for reminding me M. X, there is a lot of weight given to a deeper separation of the phylogeny in the fossil taxa. I've noticed your fixes on my watchlist, often things I missed during my rough additions, cheers for that. I will have a look now that I know more about the classification, and that someone will be double checking. cygnis insignis 12:27, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I revised the template here, adding a citation what I think is agreed confirms acceptance of the arrangement. If you want to edit an autotaxobox the template is accessible from the red icon to the right of "scientific classification". cygnis insignis 12:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for updating. I didn't even notice the red pencil icon thingy, I'll give it a try next time I see some outdated classification. Monsieur X (talk) 14:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you convert to an autobox and the parent doesn't exist, it will throw out a link with an autofilled template ready to create; this is common with the species box for monotypic fossil genera. Thanks again for flagging that concern. cygnis insignis 14:52, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Eucalyptus gomphocephala
Hello Cygnis insignis,

I've done a bit of a clean up of the taxonomy section of E. gomphocephala but can't find a ref. for "type collection was made by Jean-Baptiste Leschenault at the Vasse River during 1802, while serving on the Baudin expedition". I'm sure it's correct but it would be good to add a ref. Can you help? Gderrin (talk) 01:10, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course, especially if that was something I overlooked: tracking the Baudin expedition makes my head spin and that may be a puzzle I created. cygnis insignis 01:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sssh! I can keep secrets. Gderrin (talk) 01:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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You didn't get a response to this question but maybe WP:VPT could help.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , good of you to let me know, cheeers. cygnis insignis 23:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

If
you deem that art-work as non-problematic, I might gently suggest staying away from these areas. Also, it would have taken you a few seconds to discover that the IP has been already blocked for being a sock of a LTA. Regards, &#x222F; WBG converse 17:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I read a diff that contained what might be viewed as evidence, and didn't see any art-work, or edit summary, or have any inclination to assume you do things for good reasons. This is where we stand, I don't forget when someone screws around with article space. cygnis insignis 18:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no clue about what you mean by the last sentence; what tinkering with main-space don't you forget? I also note that you operate by assuming bad faith. Ta, &#x222F; WBG converse 19:10, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course you don't remember that, or everywhere you shit, nor any other of your habitual emissions: you do those every day. cygnis insignis 19:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please remember to abide by WP:NPA. Also, please provide a diff behind your allegations per our best-practice-notes or withdraw. And, I am genuinely curious to hear someone raising any (legitimate) query about my main-space-editing or actions, thereof. Interaction-Analyser threw nothing else than this. &#x222F; WBG converse 19:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * [edit conflict] If it were my creation I would have no hesitancy, and open evidence inspired the action I think, so not my business to paint a target on someone else. However, you are right, your antics are no excuse for my rudeness, your harrying of others is a privilege that is invisible to yourself, I assume you think that normal and good faith behaviour. cygnis insignis 20:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was it. cygnis insignis 20:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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gah
the territory name was in lower case, the actual location was hidden ... just reading it now there is an outside chance the random punter guesses where it is... JarrahTree 12:37, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I make assumptions like that all the time, it is the kind of thing I would pick up in copyediting. I'm tending to work around families of taxa, and there are a lot rough procedures for getting things in order; pardon when that creates confusion for ratings. ~ cygnis insignis 12:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * gah - i remembr our online conversations of yonks ago in terminology that would even leave ourselves confused - no need for furries or worries, or pardons, the turkeys take care of the chaos here, their vocalisations and iterations are enough to carry some extra terrestrial travel that further light years into the cosmos a la late douglas adams and his rather dated obsession with improbability... JarrahTree 13:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice to be reminded of that, I'm finding it difficult to get that flow at the moment. Certainty is the fashion now, statements uncoloured by facts. ~ cygnis insignis 13:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

 * I had a concern, please use more words to outline yours. ~ cygnis insignis 16:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * And thread your reply, or I will ignore these posts. ~ cygnis insignis 16:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well ~ I thought maybe in a couple of years I would like to be an administrator ~ mostly dealing with cite work and sources ~ (and of course the Mumbo jumbo of vandals). ~mitch~ (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * You should lift your sights higher than becoimng a janitor here. What has this to do with my complaint elsewhere, cousin, I am not casual in my critique of the potential for disruption by those who follow the user's lead. ~ cygnis insignis 17:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way nice to meet you ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if I reserve my opinion of the niceness of all this, but be well. ~ cygnis insignis 21:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thylacine
I don't want to start an edit war, so I'm going to give you time to do some research and provide a reference to your assertion that the thylacine definitely was extinct in the Australian mainland by the time that Europeans arrived, but please note that the normal order of things is to locate a reliable source and *then* make the edit. I have no reason to doubt that what you say is correct, but when one edits an article in such a way one should have the reliable source handy. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 15:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you read the article, there is nothing more I can add presently and note this is a matter I have been researching recently. I see nothing wrong with my process, ip removed someting from the lede not supported by the article, you reverted with a claim it is fact, I see no evidence of that and agreed with ip's removal. The only complication I see is the notification you received, and your reaction to it. ~ cygnis insignis 07:24, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

the shelf
I tend to think of oceanic shelves, you are referring to... ? JarrahTree 10:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, you don't want to sail out beyond that, I think we are already lost :) Cheer me up, if you can, I keep needing to wet my whistle with all the salt in the western winds. ~ cygnis insignis 10:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * IN that case the high land just west and above windy harbour might be a good location for that... there is no guarantee - otherwise the cape hamelin light ground is another... Sorry I am unable to diagnose whistle dehydration issues, my qualifications do not adequately offer adequately appropriate hydration or comic measures JarrahTree 11:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * circumstances have placed moisture even further from the grasp at one level, despite prevalent metereological tendencies, I do trust your drainage systems work adequately, youre due for more of the same according to the mount lawley number crunchers... but then they have evened out fairly well of recent. JarrahTree 14:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Osprey
"Undid revision 911996954 by PC78 (talk) are you proposing to fix it?" No, as my edit summary indicated my concern is that you have not correctly followed the WP:GAR process; I offer no judgement on the quality of the article. I have now raised my concern at Good article help for further consideration. Regards. PC78 (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The process was determining, after the many fixes I made to associated articles, that there more many areas for improvement, If you want to formalise that, go ahead, I have no interest in that sort of thing. ~ cygnis insignis 16:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

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Please help
We are now less than 3k - how can you help? when you create a new article - please try to complete the biota assessment, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles when you deal with an older article - it is well worth going to the talk page and tweaking for biota.. Thanks for your work in biota articles !! cheers JarrahTree 00:27, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I asked about this elsewhere and had my head bitten off, so how about I do a bunch of articles I didn't create every now and then (which will add them to my watchlist)? ~ cygnis insignis 00:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * you have something in your preferences that can de activate the watchlist link for edits (when I got to 70,000 on my watchlist things used to go bump in the night), decapitation is not an expected outcome from simply activating something like 'rrater and putting biota-importance'' = low.... - which the genii eds from places other than ours tend to do partial assessments (if any at all) JarrahTree 00:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * btw in the current climate, elsewhere is a very dangerous place at the moment... JarrahTree 00:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That answers my next question. And having them on my watchlist is a good thing, as I see no other value in doing assessments [ducks] I don't think I am suited to that sort of mass editing, or motivated to give over time that might be spent improving the article itself (rather than indicating someone else should pay attention to it)  ~ cygnis insignis 01:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ahhh, someone else, indeed your concern and focus is far superior, as it improves content... and is to be of great importance... I just happen to have as a task and focus an unbelievably vast mountain of unassessed australian articles of all species and types that remain unwashed, unwatched, and rumsfeld territory unknown unknown stuff, which cries out to me assess, assess it says... JarrahTree 01:09, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I see the virtue in making sure that articles have had some review, but I would get distracted from the previous distraction. As I say, I am poorly suited to help out or willing to evaluate the relative merit of one article over another. ~ cygnis insignis 01:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ahh its even much more complicated even than that, we need a beer or two before the new year somehow... JarrahTree 01:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but not sure when I will get to the big smoke. ~ cygnis insignis 01:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * maybe, just maybe elsewhere will be got to from here... JarrahTree 01:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Invitation
I can see by your TP discussions that you stay pretty busy, but I was hoping you could squeeze in a little time for WP:WikiProject Dogs and maybe even become a member. It appears to have been a free-for-all topic area for quite some time and just needs a little TLC from editors who understand the difference between a dog breed and a dog type. I’m soliciting, not canvassing. 😉 Atsme Talk 📧 04:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * OMG as the son of a veterinarian and breeder, I get horrified when I see something like this... Duck for cover, claim diminished canine knowledge due to dog bite, diplomatic immunity due to your place of residence, - I know some who have left editing wikipedia due to arguments in dog articles... JarrahTree 05:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Actually, we’re making progress. We have some outstanding collaborators, and we’re getting right down to the root of several issues, beginning with RS. See User:Atsme/sandbox and its TP, and feel free to weigh-in on that discussion if you’ve a mind to. Atsme Talk 📧 05:32, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm although your motivation is clear and positive, having spent time watching the extensive OR and POV in dog articles, and the disappearance of the earlier set of eds on veterinary things, I have steered clear so far - thanks for the invite nevertheless... JarrahTree 05:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That is what I think mate, I've crossed paths with the user and said I value their earnest contributions. I have a look, but my focus ought to be finding things to quietly build on.  ~ cygnis insignis 06:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your edits to Setirostris
I noticed you have made considerable edits to this page - where do you get the energy - but thanks for tidying up after me...I do have one question - is there a reason why the page is labelled Setirostris - rather than Setirostris elleryi? Thanks P Barden (talk) 02:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * likewise, cheers for the effort on a bat article, it is an interesting species. Re the title, it is a convention for monotypic genera to be moved from the species name (I comply, but disagree). ~ cygnis insignis 12:36, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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{| role="presentation" class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%; background:#b6ecd0;" By request from another editor, this month I wrote an overview of ways that content is featured on Wikipedia. Below I have outlined some of the processes for getting content featured:
 * Alphabet Soup: Explaining DYK, GA, FA, and More

Did You Know (DYK)
What is it: A way for articles to appear on the main page of Wikipedia. A short hook in the format of "Did you know...that ___" presents unusual and interesting facts to the reader, hopefully making the reader want to click through to the article

How it works: The DYK process has fairly low barriers for participation. The eligibility criteria are few and relatively easy to meet. Some important guidelines: The process for creating the nomination is somewhat tedious. Instructions can be found here (official instructions) and here ("quick and nice" guide to DYK). Experience is the best teacher here, so don't be afraid to try and fail a few times. The last few DYK nominations I've done, however, have been with the help of SD0001's DYK-helper script, which makes the process a bit more streamlined (you create the template from a popup box on the article; created template is automatically transcluded to nominations page and article talk page)
 * To be eligible, article is either new (newly created or moved to mainspace), a 5x expansion, or passed a GA review. Its creation, expansion, or promotion to GA must have been in the past 7 days.
 * Article must be long enough, with more than 1,500 characters of prose (this doesn't include embedded lists)
 * I find Shubinator's DYKcheck script useful in determining whether an article is eligible for nomination.

Once your nomination is created and transcluded, it will need to be reviewed. The reviewer will check that the article meets the eligibility criteria, that the hook is short enough, cited, and interesting, and that other requirements are met, such as for images. If you've been credited with more than 5 DYKs, the reviewer will also check that you've reviewed someone else's nomination for each article that you nominate. This is called QPQ (quid pro quo). You can check how many credited DYKs you've had here to see if QPQ is required for you to nominate an article for DYK.

Good Article (GA)
What it is: A peer review process to determine that an article meets a set of criteria. This adds a symbol to the top of the article. About 1 in 200 articles on Wikipedia is a GA.

How it works: You follow the instructions to nominate an article, placing a template on its talk page. Anyone can nominate an article&mdash;you don't have to be a major contributor, though it is considered polite to inform the major contributors that you are nominating the article. The article is added to a queue to await a review. In the ToL, it seems that reviews happen pretty quickly, thanks to our dedicated members. Once the review begins, the reviewer will offer suggestions to help the article meet the 6 GA criteria. Upon addressing all concerns, the reviewer will pass the article, and voilà! Good Article!

Advice to a first-time nominator: Look at other Good Articles in related areas before nominating. If you're unsure about nominating, consider posting to the talk page of your project to see what other editors think. You can also have a more experienced editor co-nominate the article with you.

Featured Article (FA)
What it is: An exhaustive peer review to determine that an articles meets the criteria. This adds a to the top of the article. About 1 in 1,000 articles on Wikipedia is a FA.

How it works: You follow the instructions to nominate an article, placing a template on its talk page. Nominated articles are usually GAs already. Uninvolved editors can nominate, though the article's regular editors should be consulted first. Several editors will come by offering feedback, eventually supporting or opposing promotion to FA. A coordinator will determine if there is consensus to promote the article to FA. For an editor's first FA, spot checks to verify that the sources support the text are conducted.

Advice to a first-time nominator: The Featured Article Candidate (FAC) process is a bit intimidating, but several steps can make your first one easier (speaking as someone who has exactly one). If you also did the GA nomination of the article, you can ask the reviewer for "extra" feedback beyond the GA criteria. You can also formally request a peer review and/or a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors to check for content and mechanics. First-time nominators are encouraged to seek the help of a mentor for a higher likelihood of passing their first FAC.

Good and Featured Topics (GT and FT)
What it is: It took me a while to realize we even had GT and FT on Wikipedia, as they are not very common relative to GA and FA. Both GT and FT are collections of related articles of high quality (all articles at GA or FA, all lists at Featured List). GT/FT have to be at least 3 articles with no obvious gaps in coverage of the topic, along with other criteria. For GT, all articles have to be GA quality and all lists must be FL. For FT, at least half the articles must be FA or FL, with the remaining articles at GA.

How it works: Follow the nomination procedures for creating a new topic or adding an article to an existing topic. Other editors weigh in to support or oppose the proposal. Coordinators determine if there is consensus to promote to GT/FT.

Advice to a first-time nominator: There are very few GT/FT in Tree of Life (5 GT and 11 FT). Most of the legwork appears to be improving a cohesive set of articles to GA/FA.
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March 2020
Has got to a new stage of its progress in this confusing and chaotic world... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles = 0. Please help by when creating new biota articles for australia, to make sure the unassessed page stays the way it is adequately tagged, or please ask for help in doing so... More on the next stages of the Australian biota project soon... and thanks for whatever you have done for the project in any way since 2006 - JarrahTree 05:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

bookmark
List of asteroid close approaches to Earth

Ho! Dropped to this beach when nervous about celestial forebodings, and here you where … joy! Tell me that all is shipshape, and i will makeport to create more co-numdrums [rlvnt emtcn] ~ cygnis insignis 14:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

g'day 99 - how auspicious - Line 999 - whatsmore !!! JarrahTree 14:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * gaagh! we iz pwned by random rocking in the cosmos. ~ cygnis insignis 14:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * too much james bond, been night after night, after night, sharks guns and thugs and things and there's a very large mosquito trying to watch the bond as well... either kafka, kubin, or lovecraft seem to be part of the conundrum JarrahTree 14:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * nostalgia and boredom, hoorible diseases to those afflicted. "plenty o'toole" it sounds saucy, but … Where to immerse myself, bats again? I saw one the other night! ~ cygnis insignis 14:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * keep it off the menu - no finger licking, and in no way drink the blood of the b.. - stay with squashed avoes and home grown chookeggs... at least in the deep south you dont have tas devils to feast on chooks compromised immune systems and james bond is all a bit too much for the intake system...even the alt health practitioner is daunted in the face of the current system JarrahTree 14:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * howareya ~ cygnis insignis 14:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * oh yeah - fair enough JarrahTree 14:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * goodtokno :) ~ cygnis insignis 14:31, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * sevenmonths gone ? trust not all is gone ?  come back, come back, all is forgotten... JarrahTree 08:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * good to see you still in circulation - is it in the demersal zone, or higher? - trust the oxygen is good quality ... JarrahTree 23:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hah, thanks for the welcome back, all is well, hope it is for youse. I noticed some voids in article space and thought to pump a bit of oxygen into them. ~ cygnis insignis 05:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * the cyclone(s) might just wash down your way before we might, heave away me hearties, middleton beach might not be washed away, and all the shanties might end up very wet, but then by that point we might have wellies, and drizabone accoutriments, but hopefully not when we wander your way sir. JarrahTree 13:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you I'm hoping to be active again soon, Regards, ~ cygnis insignis 11:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you, take care. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And you, I'm in a fortunate part of the world. ~ cygnis insignis 11:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

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Redlinks and ill template
Hi, in this rev, you changed a use of template:ill to a bare redlink with the edit summary 'convert WD link Glenn Shea to redlink here, notable researcher and author'. However, the ill template presents the redlink as-is to users for so long as it *is* a redlink on enwiki; it automatically falls back to a normal blue wikilink as soon as the article's created, and adds value in the meantime by allowing users to see Wikidata information and links to other projects. I think your edit leaves the article strictly worse, but I won't revert it because I don't understand why it was made as the stated justification makes no sense to me; at least one of us is clearly confused, very possibly myself, and that calls for more caution in editing. Instead, would you consider a self-revert? 80.7.186.76 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice that a redlink is also given when I read the diff, so my rationale doesn't make sense, nevertheless there is a long-standing practice of deprecating inline links to sister sites. Linking to Wikidata seems backwards to this editor, although you seem to be convinced that this is accepted practice; it is entirely possible that there is a discussion I missed on that. I suppose I could create the article, as a way skirting your concern. ~ cygnis insignis 15:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * See Help:Interlanguage_links. I agree a link to Wikidata alone is less than perfectly ideal (I'd prefer all of Wikidata, Wikispecies and dewiki linked directly in the text in this specific case, since that's what's available, and it's not obvious which a reader may prefer; it gets thornier when there are many possible ILLs, but (a) that's not the case here and (b) that case, where there are many ILLs but no enwiki article, is likely to be quite rare), but it's what the template offers and it's strictly better than a redlink (as it was after your edit, because at least it points *somewhere* with further information and links) and I also think better than a direct link to another wiki (as it was before my edit) for reasons stated in the help page. 80.7.186.76 (talk) 16:23, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Linked from that Help page is a quick guide Where to place links and the MOS Links to sister projects which seems to support my position (although I was surprised to see some latitude given to wiktionary and source). This a matter to which I have given much thought, and I'm familiar with arguments for and against, just so you know it was not a knee jerk reaction. And it is an FA, not the place for what I reckon to be 'not standard practice'. You could put it back, but I must firmly warn you that I will then be compelled to create the article to make it go away. ~ cygnis insignis 17:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Frederick Strange at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 20:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * cygnis insignis, it is important to finish this step in the DYK nomination process so the whole is completed. If you're having trouble with it, please let me know; I'm happy to help out. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the nomination page? ~ cygnis insignis 18:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. I read it, too. The nomination page still needs to be transcluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought someone had done whatever needed doing. I'm not inclined to work out the convolutions of DYK noms. ~ cygnis insignis 20:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought someone had done whatever needed doing. I'm not inclined to work out the convolutions of DYK noms. ~ cygnis insignis 20:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC on racial hereditarianism at the R&I talk-page
An RfC at Talk:Race and intelligence revisits the question, considered last year at WP:FTN, of whether or not the theory that a genetic link exists between race and intelligence is a fringe theory. This RfC supercedes the recent RfC on this topic at WP:RSN that was closed as improperly formulated.

Your participation is welcome. Thank you. NightHeron (talk) 22:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Species list template
makes the authorities small, so if you use small tags as well, as originally at Tomoxena, they become too small. You can generate wikilinks automatically by using (see the documentation), but it doesn't abbreviate the genus name, so if you want to use the abbreviated genus + a wikilink, it's better, I think, just to use a normal list. (I could, I guess, modify Module:TaxonList to include the option to abbreviate in a species list, but I'm not sure if it would get much use.) Peter coxhead (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I should have realised that, not something I usually add to a taxobox. Once that section is opened all sorts of notes get added, better that is in the main text (even as a simple list) than compressed and boxified, I think, as a general rule of thumb. The ants were interesting. I'm fixing the taxobars I missed now. ~ cygnis insignis 18:56, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * HOWEVER! i hasten to add, i will be using the linked species template as well, it persuaded me that the small formatting works to distinguish author and name. ~ cygnis insignis 19:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with your first point, namely that the species list is better in the text of a genus article, so I usually automatically put  in the taxobox.  is useful for a list of synonyms in a Speciesbox, which of course shouldn't be linked. Peter coxhead (talk) 05:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well no, linking a synonym would be silly. The documentation could be tweaked a little, making it clear that the coding sample contains two forms: linked genus and linked species. ~ cygnis insignis 11:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frederick Strange
Hello! Your submission of Frederick Strange at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you want to withdraw this nomination after all, then? There doesn't seem to be a workable hook... Thanks for your reply, and sorry for bothering you. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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Superb Stevenson addition
The photograph you just added to the Robert Louis Stevenson site and its caption are absolutely superb! Thank you so much for that. The Final Edict (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought it interesting, so glad someone else did; reading through I found little mention of 'Cummy' and the dedication fills a gap. The source is secondary, sort of, and there is some interesting bits and pieces about RLS (one is about his 'two mothers'). Cheers for your thought. ~ cygnis insignis 11:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * P. S. A source for the issue is at a sister site, s:Index:Robert_Louis_Stevenson_-_a_Bookman_extra_number_1913.djvu, only started recently but if there is something in the table of contents that you want I can add it. ~ cygnis insignis 11:23, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, cygnis insignis! I'll look through it as soon as I get a chance, and look forward to it. You are a tremendous asset for Wikipedia and probably a hundred other endeavors! The Final Edict (talk) 11:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The article I mentioned is at s:Robert Louis Stevenson; a Bookman extra number 1913/Stevenson's Two Mothers, and I'm finding a lot of tributes in the form of poems and reviews from his friends and contemporaries. A glance at the history of the page shows you have been busy working on their article, hope that has been fun. I'm intending to get through Stevenson's works before long, another gap in my reading, let me know if you have a favourite. The image here is one I knew, but had failed to find when I looked before, it's what I suppose is considered typical of the better known works. ~ cygnis insignis 09:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:TPO
Hi. Sorry for an odd question. Will it be ok to capitalize some letters for better clarity in your post? You see, I accidentally did that assuming that it you will see it and probably appreciate it, but the other admins started reverting me as if like I am a vandal of some sort. Any feed back will be appreciated. I ask the same approval from .--Filmomusico (talk) 07:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. I recommend that guideline be followed: the reasons for doing so have been outlined by others, especially, at AN/I. ~ cygnis insignis 08:11, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mass killings under communist regimes (4th nomination)
Did you ever add this page to the AfD log? (See WP:AFDHOWTO, step III.) I can't find it on the log for any of the days from Nov. 22 through Nov. 25. Please add it to the current day's log since the AfD community was never informed of this AfD. Also please note that the "View log" link in the AfD goes to the nomination of this article from 2010, not the current one. Please fix that; I don't want to fix it myself because the AfD is so large that editing it slows down my computer. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:34, 25 November 2021 (UTC) I voted to Keep that article. But, I wouldn't be totally shocked if it ended up being deleted. One thing is for certain, the article's notability (via the AfD) has grown. GoodDay (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Mhawk10 added the AfD to the Nov. 25 log, after which I fixed the "View log" link. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that. ~ cygnis insignis 16:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What is your point? ~ cygnis insignis 09:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Follow through on your suggestion at WP:ANI. Make a decision on what the AfD's result should be & then implement. GoodDay (talk) 09:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Do I have to read the discussion again? ~ cygnis insignis 09:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to, don't worry about any backlash. Send'em in my direction. I've been called a Nazi, Fascist, Xenophobe, Transphobe, Mentally unstable, etc etc. I can take the criticisms & aspersions from anyone. GoodDay (talk) 09:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

AfD Mass killings by Communist regimes
I am utterly disgusted at your Orwellian attempt to delete the above article. I an deeply concerned going through your edit history that you are introducing bias into Wikipedia. I am now going to watch your edits and revert those that introduce a Leftist slant. Ashley Payne (talk) 09:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Trying to cover up the crimes of communism during Asian American month?
Honestly, just plain racist. Millions of Asians have been killed at the hands of communist and now some basement dwelling colonizer wants to try and cover it all up? Why? 2601:248:8102:DDE0:24C1:730C:9795:D603 (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Some Buffalo Wings for You
. For risking a lot of alt-right harassment just to start a discussion about the potential deletion of an article. The right-wing media attention towards the Mass killings under communist regimes AFD was unwarranted and scare-mongering, and you were able to get your point across very well without worrying if some cuckservative snowflakes would misinterpret it cause they are not the free critical thinkers they think they are. As a libertarian (but not that fascist-disguised-as-libertarian people I've see too often online recently) that voted Keep, I appreciate the bravery. We really need more of that. 👨x🐱 ( Nina Cortex x Coco Bandicoot ) 22:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing your views, however, I think we diverge on a couple of points (an offering of dead animals is not to my taste either, which perplexes cats when they bring me similar gifts). ~ cygnis insignis 02:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

 * Join me in a cup, have a scone, and tell who was responsible for the pull quote "worse than Holocaust denial"? ~ cygnis insignis 03:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The byline for Wikipedia Signpost/2021-11-29/In the media lists Ganesha811 and Smallbones. Beyond that, I don't know (you'd have to look in the history). jp×g 04:31, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not the first time I've inquired. It needs attribution and whoever added needs to take responsibility for their actions in weighting that during an active discussion, especially when the 'lost boys' start brigading and looking for targets in a righteous campaign to 'stop another 100 million deaths'. ~ cygnis insignis 04:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You can check out the page history as well as anybody, I'm sure. See. The story back then is very similar to the story as published, but here is the version back then after formatting. You'll notice my byline at the top of the article and my linked initial at the bottom of the section, so there shouldn't be any question as to who wrote this.

"As bad as Holocaust denial"
Wikipedia may delete entry on 'mass killings' under Communism due to claims of bias in The Telegraph reviews this AfD entry. The Telegraph quotes University of Cambridge historian Professor Robert Tombs saying

A Wikipedia editor soon dismissed the professor's concerns saying "I fail to see why his view is important on this subject, being a historian in one subject does not automatically make you an authority on all historical subjects."

The length of the AfD will soon surpass twice the length of the previous record holder. (See this month's Deletion report) !Votes are strongly in favor of keeping the article, and a snow close has been proposed.

Disclosure – the author of this section voted Strong keep at the AfD and has previously edited the article extensively. –S

I'm reporting on an opinion, from a highly qualified scholar, as published in a reliable source. My report was completely accurate: that is what Professor Tombs said as published in the Telegraph with a direct link. If I could have found somebody on the other side giving a contrary opinion in a reliable source, I would have. But there was no such opinion in an RS. So I quoted somebody from the AfD talk page. That should end it right there. The Signpost story was completely factual and accurate. It was as balanced as I could get it, given that nobody in an RS could be found espousing the other side. Do you have a complaint about this? If so, please state it clearly and simply now. It's all facts reported. If you wrote the story you might have chosen a different set of facts - but so what? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 15:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Bite your bum. ~ cygnis insignis 02:18, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Warning
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nug (talk • contribs) 07:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , sign your comments. I gave reasons for the edits, you have not, I can list the diffs at AE. ~ cygnis insignis 07:16, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please, do not edit war about this because I would not want you to be removed from the discussion. While I agree that you should be the one to edit your own section there, I also agree with you about signing posts, and Nug should have signed themselves here, which is why I think you should also sign yours at WP:DRNMKUCR, mainly for distinguishing between added stuff (e.g. the section makes it clear it is you writing but signing is helpful to distinguish between previous posts, etc.). Davide King (talk) 15:40, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not okay, as I just said to user, it could not be anyone else commenting in the section. ~ cygnis insignis 15:44, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I know, but it can still be useful to have timestamps, and we do have a policy (WP:SIGNHERE) about it — I am afraid that this is not an exception (e.g. edit summaries, files, etc.), so everyone must sign their posts there. I really would not want to lose you for the discussion because of this, so please next time sign your posts there, just like Nug should have signed here. Davide King (talk) 18:51, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Question of meaning
What did you support exactly here and what you mean here? I do have a difficulty on understanding you at Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes, e.g. "Stalingrad" and "Victims of denazification". Some examples that I think I get what you are saying but I am not so sure: "Oh yes, I totally agree, I think, the distinction is often seen as a matter of consent, perhaps va political / geographical obligation, when totalling the victims of mass killings. ... apologies, I’m trying to fathom the depths to which an article’s scope loses meaningful resolution." Did you mean to say that totalling the victims of mass killings is political, and that there is also a geographic bias? I am more confused about the latter, and it is a shame because I found what you said interesting and I am definitely interested to such depths but I wish I could understand you better.

Another example: "Is this mentioned by Courtois or a totallynotnazi thunk tank as a peacetime mass killing?" Fascists and other far-right reactionaries and extremists have indeed been considered "victims of communism" on par with ordinary citizens, and Courtois may have indeed done that too, is that what you were trying to saying? I have actually read other comments of yours and did not find any issue, I only find issues in properly understanding at MKuCR, which is a shame because if I at least partially understood you right, you raised interesting points that I wish you could, if you want, explain me them more clearly and deeply. Davide King (talk) 16:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * the article should be deleted, I support the removal of any and all content. Discussion on what should be included is OR. Does that clarify my position? I recognise that others have a lot invested in the page and its talk, perhaps I should remind myself of that when commenting ~ cygnis insignis 16:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does, and I support that too! :) Do you think that Siebert's and my objections to them are also OR, or only those who want to include stuff like the Uyghur genocide? I do understand if you feel overwhelmed at the talk page, but there are clearly some users who hold views that are not supported by scholarly sources and I do not think they should go unchallenged, even if it means I am going to take too much space, which I wish I would not do. Davide King (talk) 23:14, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The page has a synthetic title, any and all proper content belongs in other articles. If viewed as an essay, you and Siebert deserve top marks for your contributions. I also recognise a peculiar virtue in keeping the talk page active, but not as a means of improving what I contend is unfixable. ~ cygnis insignis 07:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Davide and I mentioned that name, so pinging it for the sake of politeness. ~ cygnis insignis 10:29, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

1RR violation
You just made a 1RR violation on the page ,. In the edit summary to first edit you said: "restore backdated ...". Hence, that was a revert, and you knew it. Please be more careful in a future. Please also do not remove comments by others, such as. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * would it be petulant to address changing comments after they have been responded to, or using talk pages as a platform for wikilawyering, dog-whistling, propagandising, and 'help me because nothing seems to mean anything cos social media replaced literature as a Western canon'? ~ cygnis insignis 17:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Who and where is "using talk pages as a platform for wikilawyering, dog-whistling, propagandising"? My very best wishes (talk) 20:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1. did you alter a comment which had already beeen replied to? 2. did that same edit ignore a request for sources on your talking points? 3. Can you plausibly deny that you don't know which edit I am referring to, and a) persuade yourself that lying is okay when an end justifies a means, or b) concede your haunting of talk pages with 'explain to me' dissension can only be unhelpful. Or other option, have a think about that instead of concern trolling. ~ cygnis insignis
 * When you have popped into that coconut, give an answer for yourself. ~ cygnis insignis 23:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

An WP:AE request

 * here. My very best wishes (talk) 22:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Coelophysis
Why was my edit reverted? Augustios Paleo (talk) 13:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * as stated: citing discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Palaeontology&diff=1068650289&oldid=1068197865 and without prejudice. I have a look at what is happening with that if you wish. ~ cygnis insignis 13:36, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Gorilla
Would you be able to add information on native representations of gorillas to the culture section using this? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 18:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks very interesting, cheers for the link. I'll read and digest it, then let you know what I think. It is a difficult area to summarise, at least I have found it challenging in other species articles. ~ cygnis insignis 18:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

oops
I have a horrible thought that I had meant to get back to you, and got distracted by real life - trust all is ok JarrahTree 12:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I survived? Thanks for the thought though. The oceans are full of dangerous creatures, making do in the Plasticene, people need to spend less time worrying about sharks and consider what whale killing killer whales might be planning to feed on. How are you? ~ cygnis insignis 13:05, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


 * depends from which side - perhaps it is hot weather induced sweats, or what or who for beelzebub's or slartibartfast's sense of humour, or the the frozen vapours ertenally blasted with pythagorean monologues or bloody patchouli oil vapours - or maybe its all very cornfused, where the confluences of the fever of misinformation whoever the miss might be... and ancient alien experts might see the origins of the madness in the profile... but then, I'd as soon as have a full bottle in front of me rather than.... JarrahTree 13:14, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


 * We had a hot day, just one, so I remembers what that is like :0 I ran in to a compatriot of ours a while back, forgot to mention it, they where hanging around a church reading plaques like a wikipedian would LOL ~ cygnis insignis 13:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * thank heavens you understand the ellipsis tendency and the myriad of the hyperbolic linkages - as for plaque, my dentist has a lot to say about the subject, as for church front malingering, I dont think I know anyone who would.... JarrahTree 13:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * oops I do, tall and bedraggled perhaps... JarrahTree 13:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sure I don't know what you mean, but YES, them :) ~ cygnis insignis 14:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * a lot hinges upon the understandinhg of the potential disambiguities of the term ex cathedra JarrahTree 04:09, 20 February 2022 (UTC)