User talk:Cylon

Re: Crossfit Page
It might be helpful to actually talk voice about this, rather than escalate further. For all I know, we've met on the discussion boards at Crossfit.com! EMail me at crosswiki@yahoo.com

(Here is what's on the Crossfit discussion page)....


 * While I'm sure Cylon's intentions are honorable, and I appreciate his disclosure and candor about the history of the article, there are some issues. He is a CrossFit owner and Coach Glassman is the CrossFit founder. Both are interested parties. Both have points of view. Wikipedia discourages articles about an organization by members of that organization. There are also issues here with original research. As I understand it, Wikipedia editors may not conduct interviews or original research and then "write up" the results in an article. They must rely instead on published, verifiable sources. That's what my version of the article did. Every fact is backed up by references and citations. So the "citation needed" tags are not especially helpful.  As a relatively inexperienced editor, I'm not sure what the issue here is. Does every sentence really need to have multiple and repetitive inline footnotes? If so, I can add them -- but it does seem like overkill that would greatly impair readability.


 * Time for my own disclosure. I have been CrossFitting at an affiliate for about three months. And I was frustrated than I couldn't include certain things I've seen with my own eyes. An example is mentioning the simple fact that some people formulate their own CrossFit workouts. No article mentions this, and I can't rely on the CrossFit website or CrossFit journal due to the prohibition on self-citation. Nor can I rely on my own observations or knowledge.So I just have to leave it out. But I tried for an even-handed article from a neutral point of view, relying only on acceptable published sources. For example, the article must make mention of the criticism of CrossFit. There are no "weasel words" in that section. The "some fitness professionals" are those mentioned in the referenced articles. If we should name them, let's do so. Now, the criticism may be unfounded, but it exists and must be acknowledged.  That's what I did, adding CrossFit's response.

Qwertman 20:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we calm down, please? If there are specific problems with specific facts, let's' work through them one by one. It might even be helpful to have a third party involved, since neither Cylon nor I are exactly models of objectivity.

[edit] Starting New Page

Bratsche talk 22:24, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Please do not violate Wikipedia policy by introducing inappropriate pages to Wikipedia. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Charles 23:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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