User talk:Cymrogogoch


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Please do not revert again without discussing this. Firstly, and most importantly, the area called "Monmouthshire" is wholly and entirely (at least in its coastal stretch) contained within the area called "Gwent". There is no justification for listing the two separately. If you like, all those listed as "Monmouthshire" could be listed under "Gwent", without any problem. Secondly, your reversion retains errors in wording - "it's" should be "its", and "Usk river" is an Americanism which should not be used in this article. Thanks. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, I did reply when I reverted your first edit, which grouped both subsections under "Gwent", you then undid this revision without response and made a different edit.
 * On that original edit (and I'm sure you are aware), Monmouthshire and Gwent have a number of definitions. Monmouthshire is the historic county, Gwent is a preserved county, the definitions of Monmouthshire do not always included the upper reaches of the Usk (e.g. as a Principal Area). When creating this article it just made sense to me to have the Usk grouping and the Monmouthshire (county) coast listed separately (the development of settlements on the Usk is heavily linked with maritime trade).
 * Your first point that they should all be grouped under one heading is cogent but your second revision added Gwent as a subsection of Monmouthshire. This did not answer the point in my original response and actively goes against your own point that Gwent/Monmouthshire should be considered the same entity. I think this is using the nomenclature of Monmouthshire as a county, existing within Gwent as an area. That is fine, but it has been poorly implemented. It is unique in the list (a change like this should have been made to all subsections), and should really include another subheading for the county of Newport rather than listing some in their area, and others in their county.
 * I will only revert your latest edit if you don't reply or if you are abusive. Happy to discuss further. Cymrogogoch (talk) 14:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There needs to be a consistent way of subdividing the list - either using historic counties, or current local authority areas, but not a hotchpotch that seems to include some current areas (eg Monmouthshire) and some preserved counties (eg Gwent, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Somerset).  My basic point is that if the Newport pills are included under Gwent, then so should the Monmouthshire pills.   I don't really care which way it is done, but it needs to be done in a consistent manner.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but your last edit doesn't improve the consistency of the list. I would favour a more detailed geography but there is a difficulty when dealing with watercourses (particularly as some are no longer extant). Not editing the whole list remains a poor revision, especially when trying to improve the article on grounds of consistency.
 * Cymrogogoch (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was simply trying to remove the false implication that "Gwent" and "Monmouthshire" are somehow separate areas, when they are not. I will include all the "Monmouthshire" pills in the "Gwent" list, so there is no uncertainty.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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