User talk:Cynthia Haggard

Hello, Cynthia Haggard, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page provides helpful information for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place  on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Happy editing! Cheers, Lindsay 21:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know why i changed back the edit you made to the de la Pole page: Maine and Anjou were pretty much within the sphee of France at William's time, whereas Normandy was still being occupied, on and off, by the English. That isn't to say that it's impossible that de la Pole was brought down by a secret clause referring to M&A, just that it's unlikely. Do you have a good reference? Again, welcome. Cheers, Lindsay 21:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lindsay. According to Alison Weir's The Wars of the Roses, the problem was that Suffolk had put in the secret clause about MAINE and ANJOU not Normandy. The reason for this is that Suffolk was involved in the marriage negotiations of Margaret of Anjou and King Henry VI of England. Margaret's father Rene was Duke of Anjou, but did NOT own the land because it was held by the English. When Suffolk arrived to negotiate for the hand of his daughter, he immediately demanded Maine and Anjou back. The King agreed to these terms but insisted they remain secret.

Normandy was NOT given back as part of the marriage settlement, but was overrun by King Charles VII of France in the years 1448-1450 as part of French policy to bring all of the landmass of France under French control.

Therefor I think you should change Normandy to Maine and Anjou as I had it, because what you have is not correct.

The reference is: Alison Weir, The Wars of the Roses Ballantine Books New York (1995). In my edition, the relevant pages are: 109, 126-128, 135. If you read these pages you will see that the issue was about Maine and Anjou NOT Normandy.